truthman2012:


Prove that the post is vague.

You wrong your own soul if you see the truth and turn your face away from it.

Pwhitelaw:
like I said earlier no room for argument. Serve your God and let me serve mine. Atleast you cant expect me to comment on your vague post. Must we argue... Smh

plappville:


You brought it up, not treat it?

I said not now or you want to force me?!

Paul was certified an apostle by other Apostles. But mohamed, no one certified him. Its always him and his angel in secret...

No see The Hadith by yourself. Do you mean Catholic?

[size=14pt]This is the story of Abu Sufyan: When the Meccan leader visited the Muslim army camp in 630 in an attempt to convince Muhammad not to make war, he was chased into their prophet's presence at the point of a sword. There he was “invited” to embrace Islam:

[Muhammad] said, “Woe to you, Abu Sufyan, isn’t it time that you recognize that I am Allah’s apostle?” He (Abu Sufyan) answered, “As to that I still have some doubt.” I (the narrator) said to him, “Submit and testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is the apostle of Allah before you lose your head,” so he did so. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 814)

No word of admonishment from Muhammad is recorded. The Prophet of Islam fully accepted the “conversion” and immediately made use of Abu Sufyan to further his political goals.

plappville:


After he had conquered Mecca, Muhammad began ordering the executions of those who had insulted him or apostatized.  One of these was his former scribe, Abdullah bin Sa’d, who transcribed Muhammad's “revelations” from Allah, but lost his faith in the "prophet" when the latter adopted suggested editing (Allah’s word was supposed to be unalterable).  Abdullah saved himself by reverting back to Islam in Muhammad’s presence at Mecca as the prophet of Islam waited for someone to strike off his head:
The apostle remained silent for a long time til finally he said ‘yes.’  When Uthman [and Abdullah] had left, he said to his companions who were sitting around him, “I kept silent so that one of you might get up and strike off his head!”  One of the Ansar said, “Then why didn’t you give me a sign, O apostle of Allah?”  He answered that a prophet does not kill by pointing. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 819).

Several poets were murdered by Muhammad at Mecca for the crime of having mocked him.  Another such poet, named Ka’b bin Zuhayr, saved his own skin by converting to Islam after finding no other way to avoid execution. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 888-889).

If I may ask you, what did Elijah do to teenagers who were teasing him?! When the Prophet took over Makkah, he forgave all the people and asked 9-10 to be executed. If it were to be biblical Moses, he would have destroyed the whole city, raped, bashed infants head on rocks and kept some virgins for Jesus but the Prophet did none of this but forgave thousands and dealt with only 4. Here's the reason why he executed them:

Abdul Uzza bin Khatal who after converting to Islam killed his helper’s slave and was unrepentant of what he had committed and became an apostate. Miqyas bin Sababa, after accepting blood money from Muhammad (pbuh), and forgiveness to the person who had killed his brother Hisham, still took vengeful action and became a murderer and an apostate. Likewise, Huwairith and a female singer were put to death as well.

This had nothing to do with forced conversion because many left when the Muslims entered and the Prophet commanded that none should be fought except if the Muslims are attacked first.

The Hadith also records that many other Meccans converted to Islam under obvious duress.  As one apprehensive observer noted to Muhammad at the time:

(They embraced Islam because) they were defeated at your hands (and as such their Islam is not dependable). (Sahih Muslim 4453)

These sorts of conversions were fully recognized by Muhammad, as proven by this hadith, in which he rebukes a soldier for killing a person who had "converted" merely to save his life:

Allah's Apostle sent us towards Al-Huruqa, and in the morning we attacked them and defeated them.  I and an Ansari man followed a man from among them and when we took him over, he said, "La ilaha illal-Lah."  On hearing that, the Ansari man stopped, but I killed him by stabbing him with my spear.  When we returned, the Prophet came to know about that and he said, "O Usama! Did you kill him after he had said "La ilaha ilal-Lah?"  I said, "But he said so only to save himself."  The Prophet kept on repeating that so often that I wished I had not embraced Islam before that day.  (Bukhari 59:568)

[s](Note that Muhammad was not in the least bit concerned that the victims were slaughtered while fleeing the Muslim army.  This is another strike against the myth that Muslims are only supposed to fight in self-defense).[/s]

By this time Muhammad was spreading Islam by any means necessary.  He was even using captured wealth to buy loyalty:

Allah's Apostle gave (gifts) to some people to the exclusion of some others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, "I give to some people, lest they should deviate from True Faith” (Bukhari 53:373).

Narrated 'Amr bin Taghlib:
Allah's Apostle gave (gifts) to some people to the exclusion of some others. The latter seemed to be displeased by that. The Prophet said, "I give to some people, lest they should deviate from True Faith or lose patience, while I refer other people to the goodness and contentment which Allah has put in their hearts, and 'Amr bin Taghlib is amongst them." 'Amr bin Taghlib said, "The statement of Allah's Apostle is dearer to me than red camels."
Narrated Al-Hasan: 'Amr bin Taghlib told us that Allah's Apostle got some property or some war prisoners and he distributed them in the above way (i.e. giving to some people to the exclusion of others) .

How does the hadith refer to the gibberish you wrote above?! Stop the deception, you just drop anything your shallow brain thinks of, at least do some filtering. What's the meaning of the garbage you've written now?!

Muhammad actually captured a man’s wife and children, then used them as leverage to force his conversion: this same thing his followers do today to grow Islam. (The Nigeria 200 girls) they were all married to book men. Some had babies. I saw one girls on interview. She narrated how book forcely use them and get them pregnant. She said she wouldn't like her baby to be a boy. That she is sure the child will follow his dad's steps.

Rilwayne001:
Abdullah Ibn Sad Ibn Abi Sarh : Where Is the Truth?

Demmzy15:

Salam Aleikum my bros, thanks jare. That girl just dey vex me! Cc plappville

The apostle told them to tell Malik that if he came to him as a Muslim he would return his family and property to him and give him a hundred camels. (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 879)

Islam was being cheapene.

What's the meaning of the underlined?!

Empiree:
You brothers still trying to make these nitwits to comprehend? . Lots of work it is.

Anyways, is this a brand new ifeann-like, plappville?.

Haha Salam Aleikum Sir, I thought so too. I perceive her!

Demmzy15:

Haha Salam Aleikum Sir, I thought so too. I perceive her!

truthman2012:


Since you are not ready to argue, did anyone force you to comment on my thread?

You said the post is vague without any proof to back up your statement. Learn not to accuse anything when you are not ready to defend your words, okay?

Pwhitelaw:
... Religion is far above human knowledge and there is need to be carefull when we post controversial topics like this online. You may think you have vast experience about others people religion but you may be wrong at times .you are a Christian because your parent are Christian...

Rilwayne001:
^mentor, I dey feeel you.

Empiree:
Welcome back @rilwayne. You served your NL-jail time finish?

Thank you my dear brother. NL-jail almost killed my morale on this board, but thank God I'm out.

Who was the prosecutor

No one but that popular stiffnecked super-mod named lalasticlal.a. His plan was to place a year ban on me, but God is greater than him.

Once again bro, thank you

mubarakopeyemi:

welcome back bro Freedom at last

Thank you bro.. Good to see you again

Rilwayne001:


Thank you my dear brother. NL-jail almost killed my morale on this board, but thank God I'm out.



No one but that popular stiffnecked super-mod named lalasticlal.a. His plan was to place a year ban on me, but God is greater than him.

Once again bro, thank you

truthman2012:


The jail is good for you as you don't have anything upstairs other than insulting people. Smh!

Comment on this thread na and let people see the stuff you are made of.

Kudducini:
A Good Question Though


Buh Why Didn't Your God Save Jesus On The Cross??

Rilwayne001:


Thank you my dear brother. NL-jail almost killed my morale on this board, but thank God I'm out.



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Annunaki:

But your low morale did not stop you from lying for allahh? Smh

malvisguy212:

The death of Jesus is the plan of salvation [size=15pt] BEFORE the world began. [/size]

Rilwayne001:


I don't tell lies.

Rilwayne001:

Wow! Are you sure?

Annunaki:


You only believe in the lies of allahh and propagate it on his behalf.

That you don't believe in the message of God doesn't make it false.

I still find it pitiable that human beings with an active brain still believe in the bible.

Bunch of Zombie

malvisguy212:
yes

Rilwayne001:


That you don't believe in the message of God doesn't make it false.

I still find it pitiable that human beings with an active brain still believe in the bible.

Bunch of Zombie

Rilwayne001:

Hey boy, what do you want me to say?

truthman2012:


Grandpa, okay you don't have any defence. Good.