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Does The Bible Support Communism? by OLAADEGBU(m): 4:17pm On Oct 07, 2015
There is a passage in Acts 2 which some have used to support ‪Communism. Is it a valid reading? Which leads to the question of the OP: "Does the Bible support Communism"? Was the early church, as recorded in the Acts of Apostles communist? undecided
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by orisa37: 5:21pm On Oct 07, 2015
God told the Israelites that He, God, was enough to rule directly over them using His angels and prophets as and when necessary. But the people said no, that they wanted a King. God gave Saul and the Rules and Demands of Governments, all Governments, including, Kingship for Kingdoms Democracy, Communism, Autocracy, Feudalism, Aristocracy etc. It's all there in the Bible.‪
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by Image123(m): 6:54pm On Oct 07, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
There is a passage in Acts 2 which some have used to support ‪Communism. Is it a valid reading? Which leads to the question of the OP: "Does the Bible support Communism"? Was the early church, as recorded in the Acts of Apostles communist? undecided

No, that's not Communism. Communism involves ELIMINATION of private property. Many believers had private property after Acts2. Also, this wasn't a mandated practice, neither was it done everywhere.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by Nobody: 7:49pm On Oct 07, 2015
Image123:


No, that's not Communism. Communism involves ELIMINATION of private property. Many believers had private property after Acts2. Also, this wasn't a mandated practice, neither was it done everywhere.

Well, what about the community at Qumran who wrote the dead sea scrolls (the Essenes), all property was shared in common, they had all meals together, and worshipped together all on the same commune and shunned the outside world. It sounds to me they were probably the forerunner of what we now know as "Communists" Jesus undoubtedly knew of them many of his practises were straight from the Essene group.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by Image123(m): 9:10pm On Oct 07, 2015
Sarassin:


Well, what about the community at Qumran who wrote the dead sea scrolls (the Essenes), all property was shared in common, they had all meals together, and worshipped together all on the same commune and shunned the outside world. It sounds to me they were probably the forerunner of what we now know as "Communists" Jesus undoubtedly knew of them many of his practises were straight from the Essene group.

John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Jesus didn't shun the world.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by Nobody: 10:08pm On Oct 07, 2015
Image123:


John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.

Jesus didn't shun the world.

Agreed, Jesus didn't shun the world, that wasn't the point I was making. In any event I am the sure the crafty OP will soon be along to answer his own tailor made question.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by esere826: 11:42am On Oct 08, 2015
OLAADEGBU:
There is a passage in Acts 2 which some have used to support ‪Communism. Is it a valid reading? Which leads to the question of the OP: "Does the Bible support Communism"? Was the early church, as recorded in the Acts of Apostles communist? undecided

The first church under Peter showed many signs of what we today call communism

The bible neither supports nor castigates communism
neither does the bible support or castigate capitalism

just as the bible does not support or castigate cutting one's hair

However, some early 'american' protestant Christians felt that communism was of the devil as it deprived them of property ownership
and they correctly (in my opinion) suspected that it played down hardwork and its attendant reward. This they also felt was anti-christian

This tradition has generally lingered on in present day American Protestantism
they tend to now see and weave tales of communism as the tool the anti-Christ will use in bringing all people under his control, neither being able to buy nor sell without his government's approval
They are also very watchful of Europe which has remnants of communism in the form of socialism, and point out that the anti-Christ will flourish from there and ride on the back of a powerful EU which will also gradually become fascist and turn its guns against Israel


.....because of such future permutations, communism tends to be frowned upon by American protestant Christian leaders. And yes, the big shot capitalist are happy to sing along

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Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:59am On Oct 08, 2015
orisa37:


God told the Israelites that He, God, was enough to rule directly over them using His angels and prophets as and when necessary. But the people said no, that they wanted a King. God gave Saul and the Rules and Demands of Governments, all Governments, including, Kingship for Kingdoms Democracy, Communism, Autocracy, Feudalism, Aristocracy etc. It's all there in the Bible.‪

Shall we then say that all Governments fall into the the category of God's permissive will? undecided
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:06pm On Oct 08, 2015
Image123:


No, that's not Communism. Communism involves ELIMINATION of private property. Many believers had private property after Acts2. Also, this wasn't a mandated practice, neither was it done everywhere.

But some churches use this as an excuse to support communism. What could be their reason?
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by OLAADEGBU(m): 12:11pm On Oct 08, 2015
esere826:


The first church under Peter showed many signs of what we today call communism

The bible neither supports nor castigates communism
neither does the bible support or castigate capitalism

just as the bible does not support or castigate cutting one's hair

However, some early 'american' protestant Christians felt that communism was of the devil as it deprived them of property ownership
and they correctly (in my opinion) suspected that it played down hardwork and its attendant reward. This they also felt was anti-christian

This tradition has generally lingered on in present day American Protestantism
they tend to now see and weave tales of communism as the tool the anti-Christ will use in bringing all people under his control, neither being able to buy nor sell without his government's approval
They are also very watchful of Europe which has remnants of communism in the form of socialism, and point out that the anti-Christ will flourish from there and ride on the back of a powerful EU which will also gradually become fascist and turn its guns against Israel


.....because of such future permutations, communism tends to be frowned upon by American protestant Christian leaders. And yes, the big shot capitalist are happy to sing along

Is it then safe to say that communism is frowned upon by most protestant churches and embraced by the Vatican?
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by orisa37: 2:59pm On Oct 08, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


Shall we then say that all Governments fall into the the category of God's permissive will? undecided
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by orisa37: 3:38pm On Oct 08, 2015
Yes and very much so. God then gave them the Ten Commandments and the Beatitudes as Rules of Engagement in all our Actions, Interactions and Movements. Jesus Christ practised Communism when He fed the multitude with two fishes and five loaves and Capitalism when He rode the Donkey on Palm Sunday. God practised Kingship when He judged Adam and Eve and threw them out of the Garden. Jesus was an Aristocrat at Birth and Baptism with Angels and Spirit Doves carring messages to and from Heaven for Him alone. God's work is complete.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by Image123(m): 7:06pm On Oct 08, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


But some churches use this as an excuse to support communism. What could be their reason?

Bro, the Bible can be used as excuse to support virtually anything. It is important we are students of the Word,studying to show ourselves approved to God. Or we should at least be followers and sheep to those/such students. All been said and done, we need to HOLD ON to the Head,Christ. Not swayed by philosophies, opinions and silly studies that take people no where important.
Re: Does The Bible Support Communism? by OLAADEGBU(m): 2:15pm On Oct 10, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


There is a passage in Acts 2 which some have used to support ‪Communism. Is it a valid reading? Which leads to the question of the OP: "Does the Bible support Communism"? Was the early church, as recorded in the Acts of Apostles communist? undecided

Suggested answer:

Communism, a branch of socialism, is an experimental social system based on a set of ideals that, at first glance, seem to agree with some biblical principles. On closer examination, however, little evidence can be found that the Bible truly supports or endorses communism. There is a difference between communism in theory and communism in practice, and the Bible verses that seem to comply with communist ideals are in fact contradicted by the practices of a communist government.

There is a surprising sentence in a description of the church in Acts 2 that has led many people to wonder whether the Bible supports communism, and has led some people to defend strongly the idea that communism is actually biblical. The passage reads, "All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need" (Acts 2:44-45). This statement seems to imply that communism (which has, at its heart, a desire to eliminate poverty by "spreading the wealth around”) is found here in the earliest of Christian churches. However, there is a crucial difference between the church in Acts 2 and a communist society that must be understood.

In the Acts 2 church, the people were giving to each other out of their own good will to those who had a need, and they were giving freely, without regulation of how much they were to give. In other words, they shared what they had out of a shared love for one another and a common goal—living for Christ and glorifying God. In a communist society, people give because a system of government forces them to give. They don't have a choice in the matter as to how much they give or to whom they give. This, therefore, does not reflect on who they are; it says nothing about their identity or character. Under communism, the cheerful, generous giver and the stingy man are both required to give exactly the same amount – namely, everything they earn.

The issue is one of cheerful giving (which the Bible supports) versus forced giving. Second Corinthians 9:7 says, "Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." After all, the Bible contains a great number of references to helping the poor, being generous with what we have, and looking out for those who are less fortunate. When we obey in this area with cheerful hearts with the proper motivation, our giving is pleasing to God. What is not pleasing to God is giving out of compulsion, because forced giving is not giving out of love and therefore profits nothing in the spiritual sense. Paul tells the Corinthians, "If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing" (1 Corinthians 13:3). Loveless giving is the inevitable result of communism.

Capitalism is actually a better system, when it comes to giving, because it has proven to increase individual wealth, which allows its citizens to give out of their increase. Communism has proven to simply make all its citizens poor, except the very few in power who decide where the wealth goes. But even capitalism won't work, by itself, as a system for aiding the poor. It depends on its citizens to be diligent (Proverbs 10:4) and generous with the fruits of their labour (1 Timothy 6:18) and to give out of love for God and neighbour. Thus, we see that God has designed for the physical and financial needs of the poor to be met by Christian individuals, rather than by any system of government.

http://www.gotquestions.org/communism-Bible.html

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