dolphinheart:


Definitely not the flesh and bone that he died with.

In John 2:19-21, Jesus said, "Destroy THIS TEMPLE and in three days I will raise it up."

"And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 "See MY HANDS and MY FEET, that it is I Myself; TOUCH ME and see, FOR a spirit [b]does not have flesh and bones as YOU SEE THAT I HAVE," (Luke 24:38-39)

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”John20:25[b]


For that was presented as a sacrifice for us.
The bible says jesus was ressurected as a life giving spirit.

If jesus was ressurected with his flesh and blood, Mary would definitely have recognized him when appeared to her na, but she thought he was a gardener even after having a discussion with him.


Jesus says Flesh and bones not blood.

Again when the scribes where questioning jesus about marriage after resurrection, jesus told them that those to be ressurected will be like angels, spirit creatures in heaven. No wonder paul said those to be ressurected to heaven will be ressurected just like jesus, having immortality and sharing in the divine nature, a spirit nature.

Just cuz mary didn't recognize jesus does not prove he was not physically resurrected, cuz himself said he was flesh and bone, what ever flesh he spoke about had the same holes and wounds.

Dnt think flesh and blood can have immortality, though they can have evalasting life.

Jozzy4:


That means they are not equal !!! Do you agree that the Father is THE God of Jesus ?



Authority ! That means Jesus is subjected to his commands .



Explain what you mean here ?

plappville:
Nice one OP....Thats just the bitter truth Trinitarian dont want to accept. Even when Jesus never in any verse said he is the Almighty God. God put his word in Jesus He said it that the words i speak are not mine. But from my Father who has sent me. Some doctrine now says if you dont believe that Jesus is God then you are out.(not saved)..

Richirich713:


That's the problem wit u so called christians. U pick nd choose.

Again if jesus was not the true God, he should have not have allowed people to call him God.

Since he allowed people to call him God either shows he was God in the flesh or was a false prophet who deceive many.

He should not be taking titles of God for himself.

He should not have been telling his disciples to pray to him.

Jozzy4:


Stop this nonsense , even an Angel allowed Manoah to call him God !!! - Judges 13 : 21,22

Richirich713:

Are u seriously saying jesus is not flesh and bones even tho he says:

"FLESH AND BONE as you see I HAVE".

Richirich713:


Not an angel, it's The angel of yahweh.

According to the Old Testament Scriptures, this figure is an appearance of Yahweh in human form.

Richirich713:
Clearly the Angel of Yahweh is a self-manifestation of Yahweh, for He speaks as God, identifies Himself with God, and claims to exercise the prerogatives of God.

And Yes I'm saying I believe jesus is that messenger who is an manifestation of God in the old testament.

Jozzy4:


At that moment , he has it because he is materilizing a human body LIKE ANGELS DID IN THE PAST !

Scripture describe the ressurection of Jesus :

" He was put to death IN THE flesh [physical body] " BUT , " was made alive IN THE spirit [spiritual body] " - 2 pet 3:18

Very plain and direct .


" it is sown a physical body ; it is raised a Spiritual body . If there is a physical body , there is also a spiritual one " - 1 Cor 15:44

Jozzy4:


Wow ! So you belive Jesus is an Angel ?

Richirich713:


Yes I believe God sent his Word to us humans.

And no I don't believe in the common misconceptions about angels having winds, cuz that ain't biblical.

Because in the Hebrew it just meanings messenger or sent. Which is what I believe.

God sent his Word

Jozzy4:


Since you agreed that Jesus is an ANGEL " messenger" of the Almighty God ! , the whole brick of trinity collapse !!!

Maamin:
Jesus being called God does not make him the almighty God...the word is simply a tittle assumed by man, supernatural force, or anything that is highly esteemed.

Yahweh is greatly distinguished by his name...he remains the most high God.

Shabbat shalom!

Richirich713:


That's the problem wit u so called christians. U pick nd choose.

Again if jesus was not the true God, he should have not have allowed people to call him God.

Since he allowed people to call him God either shows he was God in the flesh or was a false prophet who deceive many.

He should not be taking titles of God for himself.

He should not have been telling his disciples to pray to him.

Jozzy4:


Just listen to yourself . Not an angel o , yet the angel .



So Yahweh is an angel ?

plappville:
The God of the Bible is the Almighty, the Creator, the Most High, and no one compares to Him. Jesus Christ cannot be “God” if he says that our heavenly Father is his “God.”

You cannot be the “Most High God” and be in submission to the “Most High God” (1 Cor.15:28) and say that He is your God. This makes no sense.

If words truly have meaning, then one cannot be “God” and have a “God” at the same time.

Check out the verses below that clearly show that our Father is the “God” of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Ephesians 1:17
I keep asking that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the glorious Father, may give you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation, so that you may know him better.

Romans 15:6
…so that with one heart and mouth you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort…

Ephesians 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

1 Peter 1:3
Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!

The above verses are very clear. Jesus Christ has a God. Who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ? Ephesians 1:17 very clearly says that this God is our glorious Father.

Jesus Christ himself called our Father his “God” and Father many different times in Scripture.

John 20:17 (KJV)
…I ascend to My Father and your Father, and My God and your God.'”

plappville:


Yahweh cannot be an Angel that why Jesus is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not Jesus.

plappville:


The only reason why you believe the trinity dogma is because the mother church invented it by twisting bible.
I was once like you believing everything from the old doctrine of the catholic. I became new the very day i decided to study the word of God by myself.

Richirich713:


Quoting verses showing jesus was human proves nothing cuz u ignoring all the verses which portray jesus as God.

Isaiah 42:8—“I am the LORD, that is My name; 
I will not give My glory to another

Yet

John 17:5—“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was[b].”

Revelation 1:8[b]"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."

Yet

Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.

All this is just ignored by unitarians cuz it does not support their views.

Richirich713:


Wrong the trinity does not collapse instead it supports it. Ur beliefs collapse cuz u a Unitarian(I'm assuming) , which leaves u with a problem cuz a "angel" in the old testament calls himself God almighty.

I have no problems cuz I believe the "messenger" is the Word of God, meaning God manifested his word in the form of a messenger.


U on the other hand( if u a Unitarian ) has a being u say ain't the word of God but a creation of God calling himself God, which is blasphemy according to the bible.

Richirich713:


Well that's according to u not the bible.

The bible says the Angel is God, the bible says the Angel is the God of the prophets, the bible says:

See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM. (Exodus 23:20-21).

Since when do created beings have the authority to forgive sins or since wen does God say his name is in a created unperfect being.

plappville:


Yahweh cannot be an Angel that why Jesus is not Yahweh and Yahweh is not Jesus.

Jozzy4:


An angel is a " messenger" lol . Hosea 12 :3 ,4 where the angel that Jacob fight with is called God .

Note : you finally agree with the JW's that Jesus is an Angel . .

plappville:


No bro, the bible did not said the Angel is God. But that He was Christ.

1corinthians 10:2-4
2: They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3: They all ate the same spiritual food
4: and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

Dont tell me Paul can not distinguished between God and Jesus?



This is not a created being. It was Christ that was sent to Follow them. God Name cannot be In God. Take a deep look at the {My name is in Him} . Two different person in this picture. One sending the other for a mission.