Richirich713:


Jesus is not mighty God but he is actually a god.
Jesus is not God yet he allows people to calling the God.
God the Father says there's no God besides but John 1:1 disagrees cuz u say a god.
God the Father says he is the 1st and last but jesus a mere man(according to u) says the same.

Bro , the issue is on "almighty god", not "mighty god" or "god" or titles.
The bible let's us know there are many gods and many lords. But are there many "almighty gods" as you are trying to insinuate?

Adress the points one by one

Richirich713:


Mere Humans are not called mighty God!

Humans are not uncreated.

All ANGELS are created beings !!!

Jesus is also created ! Jesus said he is " the beginning of the creation by God " Rev 3:14 .

Humans are not called the Lord of sabbath.
Humans do not called themselves the 1st and last.
Humans definitely don't call themselves the God of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc.

Jesus is not the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob . HE HIS A SERVANT to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

" The God of Abraham , Isaac and of Jacob , the God of our forefathers has glorified his Servant , Jesus " - Act 3:13

Richirich713:


1st context determines how a verse should be translated from one language to another.

2nd if "a god" is right (which it is not) it directly contradictions (Isaiah 45:5) where God says there are no gods beside him.

3rd - No Greek new testament scholars agree with JW translations.

4th if jesus was a god, he should have corrected Thomas for saying he is " the God of me", he should have said to Thomas I'm not the God I'm a god.

The original greek doesnt differentiate God from god , like english language . Do you still need to be taught this ?


The greek word is " theos" , if "a god" is wrong , why is Act 28:6 rendered a god with refernce to paul ? Note: Theos is theos .

dolphinheart:

Bro , the issue is on "almighty god", not "mighty god" or "god" or titles.
The bible let's us know there are many gods and many lords. But are there many "almighty gods" as you are trying to insinuate?

Adress the points one by one

Wrong the bible says there's only 1 God, beside this 1 God there are no other gods, the other gods are false gods.

Richirich713:


Wrong the bible says there's only 1 God, beside this 1 God there are no other gods, the other gods are false gods.

Who is the "one God" ?

Jozzy4:


The original greek doesnt differentiate God from god , like english language . Do you still need to be taught this ?


The greek word is " theos" , if "a god" is wrong , why is Act 28:6 rendered a god with refernce to paul ? Note: Theos is theos .

I know the original Greek has no God nd god. The only reason we capitalized the G in god is to indicate the true God Is being spoke of.

Context determines how we translate from 1 language to another language.

It's translated as a god CUZ IT'S REFERENCE TO PAUL.

IF THE THEOS (WITHOUT THE ARTICLE) WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FATHER SHOULD WE ALSO TRANSLATE IT AS A GOD.

As a matter of fact why don't we translate John 1-18 "a god" everywhere theos occurs without the article.

Should christians translate the bible like that ignoring context completely?

Jozzy4:


Who is the "one God" ?

Yahweh who I believe is a trinity.

Jozzy4:


Who is the "one God" ?

And do u believe the father is God and there is no God besides him.

Richirich713:



Yahweh who I believe is a trinity.

This is the one God !

" For US , there is one God , THE FATHER " - 1 cor 8:6

Richirich713:

And do u believe the father is God and there is no God besides him.

Yes . ONLY the Father ( 1 Cor 8:6 )

Richirich713:


I know the original Greek has no God nd god. The only reason we capitalized the G in god is to indicate the true God Is being spoke of.



Context determines how we translate from 1 language to another language.

It's translated as a god CUZ IT'S REFERENCE TO PAUL.

IF THE THEOS (WITHOUT THE ARTICLE) WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FATHER SHOULD WE ALSO TRANSLATE IT AS A GOD.

As a matter of fact why don't we translate John 1-18 "a god" everywhere theos occurs without the article.

Should christians translate the bible like that ignoring context completely?

If so @ bold , ONLY the Father is the true God, Jesus is the person he sent . [John 17:3]

Jozzy4:


This is the one God !

" For US , there is one God , THE FATHER " - 1 cor 8:6

and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,

I guess using ur logic Paul denied that the father was his Lord when he said Jesus is the only Lord.

Richirich713:


Wrong the bible says there's only 1 God, beside this 1 God there are no other gods, the other gods are false gods.

Bro, read psalms 82:6, john 10:34
And 1 cor 8:5.

There are no other gods that we should worship. There are no other god that can save us.
That someone or something is a false god does not mean he is not a god .
The scripture calls Satan the god of these system of things. Is Satan a false god? Yes, but he is still the god of these system of things. Or does Satan being a false god not make him a god?

Now who is the "true god" ? Who did jesus call "the only true god" ?
Is that person that jesus called the "only true god " jesus? .
If that person is not jesus, why do you then believe that jesus is the true god when jesus himself has said another person is the only true god.?

You are deliberately refusing to explain the points you said trinity can explain. Tell us how trinity explains those points one by one.

Richirich713:


I know the original Greek has no God nd god. The only reason we capitalized the G in god is to indicate the true God Is being spoke of.

Context determines how we translate from 1 language to another language.

It's translated as a god CUZ IT'S REFERENCE TO PAUL.

IF THE THEOS (WITHOUT THE ARTICLE) WAS SPEAKING ABOUT THE FATHER SHOULD WE ALSO TRANSLATE IT AS A GOD.

As a matter of fact why don't we translate John 1-18 "a god" everywhere theos occurs without the article.

Should christians translate the bible like that ignoring context completely?

"and the word was a god" . Was the part speaking about the father? No!.

Jozzy4:


Yes . ONLY the Father ( 1 Cor 8:6 )

Then why is a "mere man" saying he is the 1st and the last"

Why is a "mere angel" saying he is the God of Abraham, isaac,jacob.

Why is the father giving his glory to a another when he said he gives his glory to no another!

Richirich713:


and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,

I guess using ur logic Paul denied that the father was his Lord when he said Jesus is the only Lord.

This is what happen when you dont read your bible . It was the Father that give Jesus the title " Lord " . [ Act 2: 36] So paul respect that !

dolphinheart:


"and the word was a god" . Was the part speaking about the father? No!.

that's not the point, the point is u said theos should be translated as "a god " ( if there is no definite article, I'm assuming u JW).

So if that were true then from John 1:2 till John 1:18 must be translated as "a god " cuz the definite article does not appear in John 1:2,3,7,18 where theos occurs

And if u tell me it's not so cuz of the context, then I don't no why u asking me why paul is translated as a god nd not God

Richirich713:


Then why is a "mere man" saying he is the 1st and the last"

Why is a "mere angel" saying he is the God of Abraham, isaac,jacob.

Why is the father giving his glory to a another when he said he gives his glory to no another!

1. Mere man never said those words
2 first and the last of what? Is first and the last a title, name or position that can only be held or called by only one person like the almighty god.?
3. A mere angel never said he is god of abraham ,Isaac, Jacob .
The scriptures helps to explain that that angel has the name of god on him. The scripture helps to explain that he is a servant of god.

4 where did you see the father give his glory to another. ?

Richirich713:


Then why is a "mere man" saying he is the 1st and the last"

There is a big difference between how God describes himself as first and last and how Jesus use it !!!

Why is a "mere angel" saying he is the God of Abraham, isaac,jacob.

Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ( Act 3:13)

Why is the father giving his glory to a another when he said he gives his glory to no another!

Give his glory ? Show me that from the bible .

Jozzy4:


This is the one God !

" For US , there is one God , THE FATHER " - 1 cor 8:6

This is what happens when u don't read ur bible

Then he said, ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

I thought the father is the only god yet a angel calls himself God.

 "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13)

Angel- "I am the God of Bethel (anoki ha El bethel), where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me"

Seems to me like the bible just said Jesus is God.
And it just said a angel is God.

Richirich713:


that's not the point, the point is u said theos should be translated as "a god " ( if there is no definite article, I'm assuming u JW).

I never said such nor implied such. If such where true, then all mention of "theos" should have been translated as "a god". But as this is not so , then it means ur assumptions are false.
I was following ur explanation and used ur explanation on context and "the father" to determine where "theos" should be translated as "god " or "a god" .

So if that were true then from John 1:2 till John 1:18 must be translated as "a god " cuz the definite article does not appear in John 1:2,3,7,18 where theos occurs

And if u tell me it's not so cuz of the context, then I don't no why u asking me why paul is translated as a god nd not God

Look at the statement above. I used ur own view Bro.

Richirich713:


This is what happens when u don't read ur bible

Then he said, ‘I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.

I thought the father is the only god yet a angel calls himself God.

 "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, (Titus 2:13)

Angel- "I am the God of Bethel (anoki ha El bethel), where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me"

Seems to me like the bible just said Jesus is God.
And it just said a angel is God.

Thank god, you did not see the word "almighty god" in those verses.

Jozzy4:


There is a big difference between how God describes himself as first and last and how Jesus use it !!!

Wer is this big difference

If jesus was just a creation he should not have said he is the 1st and last in the 1st place.

Isaiah 44:6—Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last.

Revelation 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 1:17-18 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last, and the living one. I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of Death and Hades.”

Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ( Act 3:13)

Jesus became a servant.

"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Philippians 2:5-8

Give his glory ? Show me that from the bible .

[b]Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory which I had with you before the world was made.” [/b]John 17:5

Richirich713:


[b]Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory which I had with you before the world was made.” [/b]John 17:5

So where his GIVE his glory here ?

dolphinheart:

Thank god, you did not see the word "almighty god" in those verses.

What, so u telling me angels can go around telling people they are the God of Abraham Isaac David, and they will not speaking against God when he said THERE IS NOT GOD BESIDES HiM.

Why don't u all start teaching u the God of abraham, Isaac if that's not blasphemy according to u.

Maybe we humans are allowed to take all god titles for ourselfs right?

dolphinheart:
Thank god, you did not see the word "almighty god" in those verses.

Lol

Jozzy4:


So where his GIVE his glory here ?

If that's not giving or sharing his glory then I don't no what is?

Cuz God clearly says he gives his glory to no other.

Jesus says God must glorify him WITH THE GLORY HE HAD WITH THE FATHER.

Had means he returning the glory which he shared with jesus!

Richirich713:


Yahweh who I believe is a trinity.

@Richirich713: deut 6 :4 says hear, o israel the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

And moses did not say tht it was God that will come but a prophet just like him.

Deut the 18:15 the LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet kill me from âmong you, from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. Will you now say that the Almighty God is Prophet too? Trinity doctrine sure contradicts the Bible if u read it with open mind.

dolphinheart:

Thank god, you did not see the word "almighty god" in those verses.

Seems like God is not ok with others being called God.

"They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died. (Acts8:23)

Richirich713:


[b]Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory which I had with you before the world was made.” [/b]John 17:5

If you insinuate two God then you contradict deut 6:4

God is one not two or three or One with three heads.

Richirich713:

If that's not giving or sharing his glory then I don't no what is?
Cuz God clearly says he gives his glory to no other.
Jesus says God must glorify him WITH THE GLORY HE HAD WITH THE FATHER.
Had means he returning the glory which he shared with jesus!

Do you see GIVE HIS GLORY OR SHARE HIS GLORY in the verse ?

plappville:


@Richirich713: deut 6 :4 says hear, o israel the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

And moses did not say tht it was God that will come but a prophet just like him.

Deut the 18:15 the LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet kill me from âmong you, from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. Will you now say that the Almighty God is Prophet too? Trinity doctrine sure contradicts the Bible if u read it with open mind.

that's doesn't contradict the trinity cuz the trinity teaches that Jesus is fully human nd fully God.