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Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by sage(m): 5:15pm On Apr 26, 2009
http://www.leadershipnigeria.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28:the-vague-future-of-nigeria&catid=28:friday-column&Itemid=56


Lord Lugard, the former governor-general of Nigeria, in 1926, wrote his unfiltered thought about Nigerians. From his book, The Dual Mandates, come these excerpts: "In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person, lacking in self-control, discipline, and foresight. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewellery. His thoughts are concentrated on the events and feelings of the moment, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future or grief for the past. His mind is far nearer to the animal world than that of the European or Asiatic, and exhibits something of the animals' placidity and want of desire to rise beyond the state he has reached.

"Through the ages, the African appears to have evolved no organised religious creed, and though some tribes appear to believe in a deity, the religious sense seldom rises above pantheistic animalism and seems more often to take the form of a vague dread of the supernatural. He lacks the power of organisation, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of men or business. He loves the display of power, but fails to realize its responsibility - he will work hard with a less incentive than most races. He has the courage of the fighting animal, an instinct rather than a moral virtue. In brief, the virtues and defects of his race -type are those of attractive children, whose confidence when it is won is given ungrudgingly as to an older and wiser superior and without envy. Perhaps, the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the African native are his lack of apprehension and his lack of ability to visualize the future"


Guys lets discuss the thoughts of Lord Lugard. he had  a supremacist view obviously. But is he right in the way he describes Nigerians and Africans in general? How many of the issues that he raises are valid?

Letz get some responses
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by ElRazur: 6:00pm On Apr 26, 2009
I remember debating a similar article on another forum I use [Populated by white guys] I remember saying it was a view from a person who is most likely a Racial Supremacist. I think the one I am talking about was written my an American. In it, he described the Black race as lazy etc and have similar tones to this one you posted.

As much as the article goes, it was written almost 8 decades ago and as such probably not a true representation of the current Nigeria in a lot of ways. We have moved on from the time of the colonial masters, we have our destiny in our hands and in the face of all odds, we try to do as much as we can.

Having said that, it may sound contradicting to say that some of his points are in some ways valid though, if am to be honest. smiley
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Kobojunkie: 6:04pm On Apr 26, 2009

"In character and temperament, the typical African of this race-type is a happy, thriftless, excitable person, lacking in self-control, discipline, and foresight. Naturally courageous, and naturally courteous and polite, full of personal vanity, with little sense of veracity, fond of music and loving weapons as an oriental loves jewellery. His thoughts are concentrated on the events and feelings of the moment, and he suffers little from the apprehension for the future or grief for the past.

He loves the display of power, but fails to realize its responsibility -

Roflmao!!! Can anyone really deny this portion of the whole? roflmao!! I have never read the book myself but this does sound interesting!!

Guys lets discuss the thoughts of Lord Lugard. he had  a supremacist view obviously. But is he right in the way he describes Nigerians and Africans in general? How many of the issues that he raises are valid?

Letz get some responses

Given what we know today, would it be supremacist for someone today to think the same of Nigerians?
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 7:29pm On Apr 26, 2009
Kobojunkie:

Roflmao!!! Can anyone really deny this portion of the whole? roflmao!! I have never read the book myself but this does sound interesting!!

Given what we know today, would it be supremacist for someone today to think the same of the same people?

Obviously supremacist bullshit. Belongs in the days of Lord Lugard to be true.

Let me reword this with the modern-day Caucasian in mind, and let's see how it goes:

"Through the ages, the white man appears to have discarded all forms of organised religious creed, and though some of them appear to believe in the vague existence of a God, the religious sense seldom rises above agnosticism, and seems more often to take the form of a fetid pre-occupation with the supernatural on a fantasy level, and may lean towards outright atheism or Hollywood sensantionalism in fact.

He lacks any moral ethics in business organisation, and is conspicuously deficient in the management and control alike of business and financial resources. He loves the display of weath, but fails to realize its responsibility - he does not work hard unlike most races, despite the incentives which his race has posited over the ages, but rather relies on his heritage to demand preferential treatment, possibly even unjustified deference, which is hard in coming these days, considering that the real economic and maybe even political power may be shifting to other regions, even races that he has maligned and despised energetically in the past.

He has the courage of the bully, and will not hesitate to pick on races with perceived military inferiority, but the consequences of these have been dire in recent times.

In brief, the virtues and defects of his race -type are those of derelict has-beens, whose only pre-disposition is to rue the 'good old days' and envy their forebears whose authority was never questioned. Perhaps, the two traits which have impressed me as those most characteristic of the white man are his lack of moral responsibility and apprehension about what the future truly holds for his race."
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by FrankC3: 7:54pm On Apr 26, 2009
@AjanleKoko

Not even Lord Lugard himself will disagree with you!
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Kobojunkie: 7:59pm On Apr 26, 2009
Oh boy!!! Now the debate is fast going the other way!! @Poster, it was fun while it lasted!! lol
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Nemeziz9ja: 8:07pm On Apr 26, 2009
@ Ajanlekoko:

Nice review. However, Lugard seems to have one point valid on Nigerians
sage:
, and his lack of ability to visualize the future"
Most of our leaders rulers are proving Lugard right.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by sage(m): 8:13pm On Apr 26, 2009
Guys this thread is to discuss the validity of the observations, not bash who made the comments. I had already acknowledged that the point of view is supremacist.

But is there a single point that Lugard raised that is wright or wrong?. Back it up with reason either way.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 8:22pm On Apr 26, 2009
sage:

Guys this thread is to discuss the validity of the observations, not bash who made the comments. I had already acknowledged that the point of view is supremacist.

But is there a single point that Lugard raised that is wright or wrong?. Back it up with reason

well, sage, my view is, this comment belongs in the dark past. Have you ever considered the possibility that a fundamental part of colonialism was stereotyping, which the whites have used so well against other races, races which now control even their own economy, to a large extent now shape the future?

Why would I want to debate the validity of Lugard's comments? I don't know about you, but I am certainly not thriftless, silly, not without leadership ability, foresight or dreams. And I think the same goes for a great majority of Nigerians, particularly the youth, who are around 70% of the Nigerian population, 70% of 1 in 5 black people all over the world.

We're not interested in what was eating Lugard, or any other white supremacist for that matter. We can't do anything about the past. We're not even empowered to do much in the present. But the future belongs to us.

Let's focus on the future and focus on making life better for our generation and the ones coming.

Peace.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Horus(m): 8:51pm On Apr 26, 2009
sage:

But is there a single point that Lugard raised that is wright or wrong?. Back it up with reason either way.

No,not a single point was wright. We should not give any importance to authors like Lugard and any other white supremacist books. This is where the trap is!!.This type of books are written to control the mind of people by using European denominations, European classifications and European definitions. Present day authorities, theologians, philosophers, and so-called linguistics of European birth use several of their own languages to control your mind and entrap you in their definitions. Remember that their first holy book is the Bible or the Koran, and their second and most holy book is their dictionary; with these tools, they rule. They can decide what is true and what is false, and they can make a learnt man, look like a fool, or a liar, because they are unquestionable. The format used is author, authentic, authority. With those three principles, everybody retreats to them to check themselves and their own culture. Whenever you look up the root of a word, and where it originated, you are always led to Greek, French, Old English, Latin, and Arabic. Most of your definitions are coming from these languages. They have you controlled by these languages to keep your mind trapped and make themselves the authorities, the authors, and thus appear to be authentic.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by SapeleGuy: 9:46pm On Apr 26, 2009
Everything that Lugard thought, wrote and did in the empire from India to Nigeria was WRONG, a walking disaster. We can't give credence to anything written by Evil Lugard and his ilk, these people were bigotted and exploitative racists.

What happened to aspiration and quoting nkrumah, azikiwe, okotie-eboh, balewa, awolowo, enahoro etc
How bad can this self hatred be for 9ja journalists to quote people like this. Before long they will be referencing hitler.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Kobojunkie: 9:48pm On Apr 26, 2009
Interesting!!! So this is more about the man, Luggard, and less about what was written? OK!

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Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by SapeleGuy: 10:01pm On Apr 26, 2009
kobojunkie- In order to put the piece in context you need to understand Lugard's motivation, simply said his actions or thoughts were not designed in Nigeria's best interest.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by asha80(m): 10:02pm On Apr 26, 2009
Unfortunately nigerians and africans in general over the years have done more to 'substantiate' lugards claim rather than rubbishing it
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Kobojunkie: 10:03pm On Apr 26, 2009
SapeleGuy:

kobojunkie- In order to put the piece in context you need to understand Lugard's motivation, simply said his actions or thoughts were not designed in Nigeria's best interest.

I am sorry but I disagree! The book and the context in which it was written or by whom it was written is not the topic of debate here. The @poster is clear on what he is asking here. Does the message in the selected portions from the book apply today? Simple!

No need to turn this into yet another sentiment-motivated war against Luggard, or the British. This man was once a ruler in the country and he wrote his ideas of the Nigerian people, you may agree or not agree with the man and his people, but that is not relevant here. It is been almost 50 years now and we still whine about it any opportunity we can. What good has that done us so far? What good does it do in helping us move from where we find ourselves NOW to the future we supposedly want?

Can we please stick to discussing the subject and not the man and what we ASSUME he was thinking when we wrote those words?

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Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 10:06pm On Apr 26, 2009
Kobojunkie:

Interesting!!! So this is more about the man, Luggard, and less about what was written? OK!

Nope. It's more about what was written.
At least from my point of view.
But what is the point really? To question ourselves and determine if or not we are every bit as bad as Lugard and every other white supremacist says we are? Why should they be right? Because they colonized us, and therefore should know better?
We might as well submit ourselves to a second colonisation and put the chains on our necks all over again, this time by ourselves.

SapeleGuy:

What happened to aspiration and quoting nkrumah, azikiwe, okotie-eboh, balewa, awolowo, enahoro etc
How bad can this self hatred be for 9ja journalists to quote people like this. Before long they will be referencing hitler.

Add other leaders of thought like Lumumba, Nyerere, Sankara, Gani, Soyinka, Achebe, and even Fanon, Baldwin, and Cleaver.
I never heard of Indians or Chinese looking to British or American authors or writers for self-affirmation. I think this is really what the black man's struggle is all about.
Someone told me today (dunno if it's true) that Hitler once said black people were strong, so therefore he would use them for shoe leather. Also, I read somewhere recently about Osama's comment to a Sudanese journalist about black people being pests on the earth and how our women were all whores. Something like that anyways.

Let's face it folks, the rest of the world hates us, and we know it. Whatever issues we may be having, does that make the hatred right and justified, I mean, in plain terms, are your mothers, sisters and women in general whores?  and are you pests to be eradicated with Baygon or something? Would you like to be the new and durable substitute for Italian leather?

Would like to see your responses.
Would you guys like to debate that as well, alongside Lugard's comment?
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by proudly9ja(m): 12:03am On Apr 27, 2009
To be honest, in line with the last poster's sarcasm and Lugards insult on the same people he governed, I have thought long about the black race and I think we have a very big deficiency.

With benefit of current knowledge of blacks doing us proud all around the world, I do not think this deficiency stems from a biological point, rather, I think its social. The way the black man reasons is very different from the way other races reason. We are comfortable with the way we live our lives, no matter how poor it may seem or how many are dying from diseases. We look for solutions to problems rather than look inwards. Our forefathers looked for cures from the gods, we look for them from our new gods (the white man). I do not know how to categorise this problem. I used to think it was mental laziness, now Im not sure anymore.

The blackman is also so comfortable with old ways of doing things and not until someone else tries a new way and proves it right, we will not even think of changing. Think about it, our forefathers ate with their bare hands, we still do the same in 2009 over 1000 years later. Our forefathers climbed the palm tree with a rope or whatever they call that round thing they used around their waist, now, more than a century years later, we still use the same 'technology' for climbing palm trees. Is this also mental laziness or just a refusal to stick to status quo? No wonder there are no researches going on in oir universities, no new ideas coming out from the brilliant professors we have in our academia.

The black man sure has a problem. As insulting as it may seem, Lugard's talk raised some issues and I think we should take a look at ourselves and ask, ''what is our problem''

Finally, I have concluded that its a social problem. Its in our community, in our environs and its the mentality that we carry about, its our refusal to accept change. We want things to continue the way they are whether good or bad, as long as I am alive, then its ok, forgetting that whatever killed Dele and Adamu or Chukwudi, can also come back and do same to me.

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Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 2:45am On Apr 27, 2009
proudly9ja:

To be honest, in line with the last poster's sarcasm and Lugards insult on the same people he governed, I have thought long about the black race and I think we have a very big deficiency.

With benefit of current knowledge of blacks doing us proud all around the world, I do not think this deficiency stems from a biological point, rather, I think its social. The way the black man reasons is very different from the way other races reason. We are comfortable with the way we live our lives, no matter how poor it may seem or how many are dying from diseases. We look for solutions to problems rather than look inwards. Our forefathers looked for cures from the gods, we look for them from our new gods (the white man). I do not know how to categorise this problem. I used to think it was mental laziness, now Im not sure anymore.

The blackman is also so comfortable with old ways of doing things and not until someone else tries a new way and proves it right, we will not even think of changing. Think about it, our forefathers ate with their bare hands, we still do the same in 2009 over 1000 years later. Our forefathers climbed the palm tree with a rope or whatever they call that round thing they used around their waist, now, more than a century years later, we still use the same 'technology' for climbing palm trees. Is this also mental laziness or just a refusal to stick to status quo? No wonder there are no researches going on in oir universities, no new ideas coming out from the brilliant professors we have in our academia.

The black man sure has a problem. As insulting as it may seem, Lugard's talk raised some issues and I think we should take a look at ourselves and ask, ''what is our problem''

Finally, I have concluded that its a social problem. Its in our community, in our environs and its the mentality that we carry about, its our refusal to accept change. We want things to continue the way they are whether good or bad, as long as I am alive, then its ok, forgetting that whatever killed Dele and Adamu or Chukwudi, can also come back and do same to me.

Nice words. But I really feel we're not getting it at all. The point I am trying to make is about the very words, and what they convey. I don't even consider Lugard at all.
Firstly, I want to believe that we as individuals don't agree with Lugard's (or any other person's) comment if it is addressed to our person. Abi? If someone says any of you guys are silly, lazy, ignorant, animalistic in behaviour, would you consider it even for a moment to be true to any degree? I would be very much surprised if that would be the case. You would probably tell that person exactly what you think of them

Secondly, have we really thought about the impact of this self-flagellation that we always make ourselves go through? These endless debates about what is really wrong with the black man? If We submit that individually nothing is wrong with you or me, why should anybody be saying again that something is wrong with the black man? Something is wrong in the system, rather than us taking collective responsibility for pushing for the kind of result we desire, we say 'oh, it's the black man syndrome again' or 'our leaders suck' or something of that nature? Are we a different species of black man from the ones we choose to bash on fora like this? The guys who make these comments make them sweeping, i.e. they are saying even you and me are grinning idiots. If you don't take exception to people calling you a grinning , and calling your mothers and sisters whores, something is severely wrong with your self-esteem.

Thirdly, what exactly is our identity, do we know who we really are? Is it the prerogative of the white, black, yellow or red man to tell us exactly how we should be? Sometimes the way we all talk it seems we've all bought into the myth created by the white man that Africa never had a history or culture until the white man arrived on that continent. That's really unfortunate. I'm not resident in the diaspora, but everywhere I've been, I have seen how Indians and Chinese in particular try to retain their identities while ensuring some level of integration into their host societies. History, at least African history, tells us that we have a similar heritage to these people, in terms of a civilization dating back to thousands of years. At what point did we become a people without identity, without culture, requiring others to tell us who we are, and who we ought to be? That's really sad, I think, and that there is the real problem, not what Lugard or any other half-educated white supremacist is saying is wrong with us.

Politicially speaking, South America as a region is far more unstable politically than Africa, yet we are the ones celebrated in the media. I mean, Bolivia is even in the Guiness Book of Records as the country with the most coups, yet all the bad news seem to be about Africa. Pakistan today is a time-bomb, a hotbed of seething violence, existing and potential violence, yet the Western media repeatedly turn the spotlight on us. Not that I'm passing the buck, but you need to understand that we probably have to go through our own purgatory in the path to nationhood. It's not a question of Africans, it's a question of people, the need for self-determination, and the need to cast off the last vestiges of colonialism.

Even our nation Nigeria is a colonial definition, and the truth is, that is why thinking Nigerians are saying we must go back to the drawing board if we want to move forward. You cannot take a snapshot of the West as you perceive it and try to fit Nigeria into the same picture, and call it your own idea of moving forward. Each of these nations paid the price for whatever position they occupy today, and they are not yet without commas. In fact, it seems they even need our resources to preserve their so-called civilization, and that should get us thinking even more. Why would these people be interested in seeing a strong and virile Black nation? Far from it, they would most likely pitch all their resources into keeping us underdeveloped so their own civilization can survive. That's the plain truth of it, and that's why people like me are sick to death of of hearing how useless we are, how savage we are, just who exactly are those savages if my family members and myself are exempt?

I rest my case there abeg.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by sage(m): 4:33am On Apr 27, 2009
@proudlynaija

Ive been wondering the same thing too. I think our problem is social and cultural and not an intelligence problem. One of the things that Lugard noted that we overlook is that We have an irrational fear of the supernatural. When a westerner sees a body of water or a mountain, he sees opportunities for exploration and a chance to use his discoveries to better his life. We Africans only see marmaids and mountain gods and all sorts of evil that want 2 kill us.

When there is an infection outbreak, westerners go after the cause, identify it and treat it. We africans blame gods, enemies in the village and just sit there, unless we get western medicine

We seem incapable as a people to envision the future, research and plan for it. We are satisfied with mediocrity. The same instruments our forefathers used 500 years age like pestle for grinding is what we still use. The same way they produced palm oil 1000 yrs is what we still use today.

Denial is probably our biggest problem though. WE Africans love 2 live in denial.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Kobojunkie: 4:52am On Apr 27, 2009
@ AjanleKoko, I really think you are still missing the point. By the way, don’t you think that making this yet another us vs. them debate only shows that you are a tad insecure in some way of where you stand? Not trying to insult you but usually, people who try to make everything an US vs THEM debate, in this case, us(Nigerians/Blacks) vs. them(Whites), reveal that they are still struggling with their own identity. Put sentiments and insecurities to the side and see what this is really about. This is a Nigerian forum and there are likely no white people here to care about this thread.

Again, not trying to get under your skin, just hoping we could get something constructive from you instead of the usual "they care what we think even when they sleep" or "when we sneeze, they care" rebuttles that some of us are sick of.

Forget for a second that Luggard posted those words and his skin color happens to be white. Now, compare the meaning to what you know now of the our Nation, Nigeria. Where we are today, as a people, as a country and as a race. Do you think those words could be used to explain where we seem to be today or not? Simple!!
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by RichyBlacK(m): 6:53am On Apr 27, 2009
Kobojunkie:

@ AjanleKoko, I really think you are still missing the point. By the way, don’t you think that making this yet another us vs. them debate only shows that you are a tad insecure in some way of where you stand? Not trying to insult you but usually, people who try to make everything an US vs THEM debate, in this case, us(Nigerians/Blacks) vs. them(Whites), reveal that they are still struggling with their own identity. Put sentiments and insecurities to the side and see what this is really about. This is a Nigerian forum and there are likely no white people here to care about this thread.

Again, not trying to get under your skin, just hoping we could get something constructive from you instead of the usual "they care what we think even when they sleep" or "when we sneeze, they care" rebuttles that some of us are sick of.

Forget for a second that Luggard posted those words and his skin color happens to be white. Now, compare the meaning to what you know now of the our Nation, Nigeria. Where we are today, as a people, as a country and as a race. Do you think those words could be used to explain where we seem to be today or not? Simple!!


True talk.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by RichyBlacK(m): 6:54am On Apr 27, 2009
proudly9ja:

To be honest, in line with the last poster's sarcasm and Lugards insult on the same people he governed, I have thought long about the black race and I think we have a very big deficiency.

With benefit of current knowledge of blacks doing us proud all around the world, I do not think this deficiency stems from a biological point, rather, I think its social. The way the black man reasons is very different from the way other races reason. We are comfortable with the way we live our lives, no matter how poor it may seem or how many are dying from diseases. We look for solutions to problems rather than look inwards. Our forefathers looked for cures from the gods, we look for them from our new gods (the white man). I do not know how to categorise this problem. I used to think it was mental laziness, now Im not sure anymore.

The blackman is also so comfortable with old ways of doing things and not until someone else tries a new way and proves it right, we will not even think of changing. Think about it, our forefathers ate with their bare hands, we still do the same in 2009 over 1000 years later. Our forefathers climbed the palm tree with a rope or whatever they call that round thing they used around their waist, now, more than a century years later, we still use the same 'technology' for climbing palm trees. Is this also mental laziness or just a refusal to stick to status quo? No wonder there are no researches going on in oir universities, no new ideas coming out from the brilliant professors we have in our academia.

The black man sure has a problem. As insulting as it may seem, Lugard's talk raised some issues and I think we should take a look at ourselves and ask, ''what is our problem''

Finally, I have concluded that its a social problem. Its in our community, in our environs and its the mentality that we carry about, its our refusal to accept change. We want things to continue the way they are whether good or bad, as long as I am alive, then its ok, forgetting that whatever killed Dele and Adamu or Chukwudi, can also come back and do same to me.

Correct talk.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by RichyBlacK(m): 7:04am On Apr 27, 2009
sage:

@proudlynaija

Ive been wondering the same thing too. I think our problem is social and cultural and not an intelligence problem. One of the things that Lugard noted that we overlook is that We have an irrational fear of the supernatural. When a westerner sees a body of water or a mountain, he sees opportunities for exploration and a chance to use his discoveries to better his life. We Africans only see marmaids and mountain gods and all sorts of evil that want 2 kill us.

When there is an infection outbreak, westerners go after the cause, identify it and treat it. We africans blame gods, enemies in the village and just sit there, unless we get western medicine

We seem incapable as a people to envision the future, research and plan for it. We are satisfied with mediocrity. The same instruments our forefathers used 500 years age like pestle for grinding is what we still use. The same way they produced palm oil 1000 yrs is what we still use today.

Denial is probably our biggest problem though. WE Africans love 2 live in denial.


Lord Lugard was 100% correct on our irrational fear of the supernatural.

That so many Nigerians believe juju can turn a human corpse to crisp dollar, pound or naira notes is instructive.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by Jakumo(m): 7:15am On Apr 27, 2009
RichyBlacK:

Lord Lugard was 100% correct on our irrational fear of the supernatural.

That so many Nigerians believe juju can turn a human corpse to crisp dollar, pound or naira notes is instructive.


No chit. I often ponder over how many THOUSANDS of Nigerian victims will be kidnapped, slaughtered and dismembered by savages hoping to find cash in the entrails, but who NEVER do, regardless of how many times the experiment is repeated with fresh victims.

I suppose in the final analysis, it is the TRADE in human corpses that generates income for those murderous cretins, and NOT EVER the futile rituals that follow the purchase or abduction of innocent victims. Ignorance can indeed be a LIFE-LONG affliction that remains entirely immune to all cures.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by sage(m): 8:45am On Apr 27, 2009
@RichyBlack

Do u realise that we as a people seem incapable of self examination? We always get defensive, personalize the issue and attack whoever makes any observation without addressing the validity of the observation. We seem 2 look for somebody else 2 blame for everything. Government,Oil companies, political system Colonialism, Slavery, Whiteman etc.
We conviniently blame everything on something but never look inwards. We justify the observations made about us launching into tantrums everytime w have no valid answers

We need 2 examine ourselves 2 see y we epitomize bad governance and mediocrity. Governments dont exist in a vacum. There is something wrong with a society (in this case a whole continent) that keep producing bad governments.


This is how our brains function

Slavery and helping sell off ur own brothers---blame somebody else (white man)

Colonialism---blame somebody else (white man)

Illiteracy-----blame europeans for not educating africans

corruption-----blame govts

masses tolerating bad governance----now blame who?
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by ikeyman00(m): 10:30am On Apr 27, 2009
i will never never never agree with all those written bullls!!

nonesense!!!

human beings are human being!!! whiteman aint no better!! maybe blacks well nigerians are even better!!

for me the reason this dilemma still persist is only because we or our leaders chose not to change the environment nigerians live in

therefore, heavy corruption is the order of the day.unrest periodicly sprang-out,lack of infrastructure etc

take for eg, the lagos state of nigeria, it fast changin i hope, well for good, if all the road are revamp to world standard as GOv FAS is doing now, instinctively the people of lagos will start to build up pride in them, in turn they will start to vaule what they have by desist from throwing rubbish like pure water bags,or food stuff on the roads. In sense over time commonsense will be building up.

if the fg could programme the monetry system in a way people could see when funds are taken out from our system then, in turn ordinary man in street will know what up, even the police

we all know nigeria is fu ked when it comes to big boyz but just like china and russia nigeria need to lock up someone like ibb for 30 yrs miniimum in order to send signal to the other

pdp just like communist party is big, but the difference here is being what i have narrated above, the chinese undertsand that, thereby they ecourage their communist party as shareholder to invest heavily in china

imagine a suitation where ibb,obj, atiku as shareholders come togerther to build TI industry nationwide Now thats what the chinese communist party do, cuz they understand the princples of sustainance

imagine a suitation where 10 or more ghana must go politicians as a shareholder have world class hospital nationwide, i can picture nigerian physicians oversea steeping down to nigeria

imagine a suitation where nigerian police is look after, better pay, car entitlement, good sound training with sound equipment, hmm u can picture the prideness, imgaine a sutitaion where nigeria police can radio helicopter for a back up, hmm u no day fear

imagine a suitation where private firm or nigeria government set out incentives to researcher, hmm that might just encourage someone to find the cure for hiv

so for me damn with what the whiteman love to think, if nigeria want to change for good, we need to revamp the environment in which we live!! Simple as that!! the whiteman aint no better cuz whenever their so called civilised enviroment deforms, hey u see whietman acting like animals. This is what some arabs men done that makes them look like they are better off which the western media love  to embellish on when in the real sense it not so true. The whiteman will tell you india economy is big, the got big IT industry boomin,however at the back of his mind he will remind you old model locomotive still  strive in mubia, 600,000,000 million walkin bare footed, hmm yes they are in G20 init. As big as china, millions still live in a village without electricity, nevertheless they ve revamp the environment in which they live partially to offset restropection !! Hence they are in progress



so what next, build up your university etc, then automatically effect pride on nigerians, hey watch the so called white man true envy shows

nonesense
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 10:46am On Apr 27, 2009
You guys really crack me up.
I've seen all sorts of perspectives, all reflecting the same thing, unfortunately.

Well, I can only say, for a long time, I shared that perspective. In fact, I used to yab so-called 'Africanists' as being in self-denial, considering the obvious state of the continent and its people, bla bla bla. Various experiences have more or less made me to realise the real nature of the black man's dillemma. And I think it's a problem of identity.

Your posts seem to follow a common train of thought. To paraphrase Fela,  'my people are useless, my people are senseless, my people are indisciplined!'. That is really all you guys are saying.

It's always amusing, this our abstract way of describing our people and problems, as if we aren't a part of it, or are casual onlookers. And that's where I have a problem. Are you not Africans?  If you are, are accepting that you're useless, senseless, foolish and indisciplined? Sounds to me that all you guys want to do is prove that Nigerians, nay Africans, are senseless, useless, and indisciplined. Whether it was Lord Lugard, Hitler, or the Tooth Fairy that said it, we should sha accept it. That's really where you're going.

My final question is: Okay, so once we agree we are senseless, useless and indisciplined, all Nigeria and Africa's problems will be solved, right? Nobody is in any self-denial, we are just simply tired of hearing what every white, yellow, blue or green man has to say about Africa. We just want to move on with our lives.


Peace.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by ikeyman00(m): 10:49am On Apr 27, 2009
ajanlekoko

You guys really crack me up
i guess my post crack u down

init?
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by AjanleKoko: 10:51am On Apr 27, 2009
ikeyman00:

ajanlekoko
i guess my post crack u down

init?

Pally,
You posted probably the most sensible rejoinder.
Cheers,
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by ikeyman00(m): 10:57am On Apr 27, 2009
hahha thanks!!^^^^

me know that right from the start!!

to hell with the whiteman thing

hahha!!

enemies and haters hahha what up!! cheers u
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by dnex(m): 4:18pm On Apr 27, 2009
Lemme start here by saying I hate BLACK people! The fact that you guys continue to refer to yourselves with the evil name the Oyibo people gave you shows that nothing good can ever come from you. Can anything black be good? Can anything white be bad? Accepting their tag has already put you where they want. And everyday you wake up believing in your blackness (backwardness, evilness, negativity), nothing white can ever come from you.

You look at yourself in the mirror everyday and see your skin colour and you know it is not black yet you carry that tag on your head proudly. A heart that is black will not think good, a lie that is black will not produce good results and a sheep that is black will not do the family any good. How can a man that is black end up in anything good?

I love Hitler. The man made me understand the real European hatred for Africans. Hitler and most intelligent European racists hated Africans just because they researched and found out that the Africans were truly superior to them and if we competed on a level playfield, Africans will dominate them so they needed to go out of their way to malign and destroy us to ensure the survival of their future generations.

As for Lugard, I read his book in 2007. It was totally politically sponsored. The British government paid him to write the dual mandate the way he did. At a point when british citizens were beginning to question their government's right to colonise other human beings, they needed journals like the Dual Mandate to show their people that they were only trying to civilise and help a savage, misdirected race. Have you even seen pictures where British soldiers were painted with mud to look like Africans eating human flesh and sent back to English newspapers to publish? You BLACK people know nothing yet.

Have you even asked yourselves the real meaning and origin of the name British? Find out and you'll know who is a savage, a backward, or silly race.
Re: Lord Lugard And His Impression Of Nigerians And Africans In General by ElRazur: 4:25pm On Apr 27, 2009
^^ You are probably as bad as the very thing you are condemning, undecided

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