Just admit it. In terms of money, recent continental success, player appeal, mass appeal, what else?

In the last 10 years, how many have them won

@ dayo,

Point is you cannot compare teams with a wide gulf in between
them. Zaragoza got relegated does not mean they are n Stoke's
class.

When you compare teams, its not about who will win ONE GAME. It's
about their history, traditions and tropihies

i tot this used to be Dayos points!

OP
can u pls tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that the La Liga is better than the EPL
Pls, make sense and dont come up with stuffs like they are more technically gifted cos they dribble a lot.
Show me stats.

If the top 4 cannot be used to judge the soundness of a league, then what do you use?
All the teams? I tot in statistics we have something called a representative sample?
4 of 25 is what percentage? isnt that representative enuff?

whats the essence of the UCL and the UEFA cup? have you guys sat down to think about the reason why those competitions are in place?
It wil be foolhardy for anybody to say a league is better than the other when they dont meet on the field of play. Hence, the reason why worthy representatives of each league will come up to square up with each other to know whos the best.

so if the epl teams for 4 seasons have dominated the UCL and the UEFA cup for about 4 years is not particularly dominated by any league, are you saying i cannot infer directly from the feats of those top 4 in the epl that the Premiership is the best?
if not, then you people should show me scientifically how the la liga ranks better.

sentiments, beer parlour analysis and general hooey are disallowed.

tkb417:


i tot this used to be Dayos points!

OP
can u pls tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that the La Liga is better than the EPL
Pls, make sense and dont come up with stuffs like they are more technically gifted cos they dribble a lot.
Show me stats.

If the top 4 cannot be used to judge the soundness of a league, then what do you use?
All the teams? I tot in statistics we have something called a representative sample?
4 of 25 is what percentage? isnt that representative enuff?

whats the essence of the UCL and the UEFA cup? have you guys sat down to think about the reason why those competitions are in place?
It wil be foolhardy for anybody to say a league is better than the other when they dont meet on the field of play. Hence, the reason why worthy representatives of each league will come up to square up with each other to know whos the best.

so if the epl teams for 4 seasons have dominated the UCL and the UEFA cup for about 4 years is not particularly dominated by any league, are you saying i cannot infer directly from the feats of those top 4 in the epl that the Premiership is the best?
if not, then you people should show me scientifically how the la liga ranks better.

sentiments, beer parlour analysis and general hooey are disallowed.

the reason why it looks like the epl is strong in the UCL is becuase the same 4 clubs keeps coming every season for like 10 years now, if you look at that, you would think the league is strong, but once you look downward to the rest 16 teams, they are shyte to the lowest level.

where the rest 16 teams are suppose to show that they can compete in the european settings, they fail woefully,  even with the constant apperance of the top 4 in the epl for like 10-15 years now, how many of the ucl have they won?
  i think they have only won the Uefa cup once in 10 years. why can't the rest outside the top 4 even try making waves when in the midst of other european clubs with almost same financial backings like them?

the reason why it looks like the epl is strong in the UCL is becuase the same 4 clubs keeps coming every season for like 10 years now, if you look at that, you would think the league is strong, but once you look downward to the rest 16 teams, they are shyte to the loswest level,

where these cut off 16 teams are suppose to show that they can compete in the european settings, they fail woefully, even with the constant apperance of the top 4 in the epl for like 10-15 years now, how many of the ucl have they won?
i think they have only won the Uefa cup once in 10 years. why can't the rest outside the top 4 even try making waves when in the midst of other european clubs with almost same financial backings like them?

come up with the stats!

why are u asking for the winners in 10-15 years?
why not in the last 5 years?
or why not since inception?

ol boi, be real.
count the number of UCL trophies per league and tell me if La liga comes first.
La liga =11 trophies
EPL= 12 trophies

so, if the log shows that the EPL has won more UCL trophies, then i rest ma case.

to everyone in favour of the EPL, compare the achievements of la liga, serie a and premiership [b]UCL representatives

(in terms of UCL trophies) in the [b](last 15 yrs) and tell me who is leading the way. [/b] [/b]

People can come up with different angles as much as they
want but for me, the anlogy is simple.

Compare 2 different leagues. Let the teams in each league
battle it out to know the best.

The best of the two leagues should come together and do
battle. Whoever dominates is the best.

Its like the world cup. In each continent, you battle in the
qualifiers and we know the best from each continent. The
best from different continents will then do battle at the
world stage. Whoever dominates is the best.

People can come up with different angles as much as they
want but for me, the anlogy is simple.

Compare 2 different leagues. Let the teams in each league
battle it out to know the best.

The best of the two leagues should come together and do
battle. Whoever dominates is the best.

Its like the world cup. In each continent, you battle in the
qualifiers and we know the best from each continent. The
best from different continents will then do battle at the
world stage. Whoever dominates is the best.

very simple

tkb417:

come up with the stats!

why are u asking for the winners in 10-15 years?
why not in the last 5 years?
or why not since inception?

ol boi, be real.
count the number of UCL trophies per league and tell me if La liga comes first.
La liga =11 trophies
EPL= 12 trophies

so, if the log shows that the EPL has won more UCL trophies, then i rest ma case.

where did you get that stats from? EPL 12? from where MR MAN? you have lost count!!! you go do the research again and come back to correct yourself mr man

where did you get that stats from? EPL 12? from where MR MAN? you have lost count!!! you go do the research again and come back to correct yourself mr man

my bad. 11 trophies just like La Liga
so tell me how La Liga is better

tkb417:

my bad. 11 trophies just like La Liga
so tell me how La Liga is better

tied but the beauty of the football is what matters and they have uefa cups too, you can see for yourself,
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1973 - 1974 Feyenoord
1972 - 1973 Liverpool FC
1971 - 1972 Tottenham Hotspur FC

Honeric
No matter what you look at, the EPL will rank higher
UCL+UEFA, tell me what you have

In the UCL, they are tied, in the UEFA, is the La liga ahead of the EPL?
NO. Check your records.

NOTE: The contest is betwen La Liga and the EPL
Im assuming Seria A isnt in the mix.

Bundesliga isnt better than eredivise so no issues about that

If you go to the uefa website, you will see that it's the la liga that is topping the table when it comes to rating, i will look for it and post it here, someone already did, but on another trace, i will check later ok?

akinalabi,

Seeing scorelines like

Braga 3 Portsmouth 0

Udinese 2 Tottenham 0

Hamburg 3 Aston Villa 1

Hamburg 3 Man City 1

Hardly supports your assertion. Best put the top EPL 4 are better but the whole league is not the best in Europe

When I check the UEFA cup I see EPL teams always being disgraced so what are we talking about

akinalabi,

Seeing scorelines like

Braga 3 Portsmouth 0

Udinese 2 Tottenham 0

Hamburg 3 Aston Villa 1

Hamburg 3 Man City 1

Hardly supports your assertion. Best put the top EPL 4 are better but the whole league is not the best in Europe

When I check the UEFA cup I see EPL teams always being disgraced so what are we talking about

When i check the UCL, i see the EPL teams disgracing the rest of europe so what are we talking about?

tkb417:

When i check the UCL, i see the EPL teams disgracing the rest of europe so what are we talking about?

Dayokanu is an idiot. . . . .A consummate idiot.

I am sick and tired of people using UEFA cup as a yard-stick to judge leagues.
It's like using Poly Jamb to judge who the best candidate is in Nigeria.
English teams don't give a rat about UEFA cup. . . . . .They make money when they relegate than winning UEFA cup.
There's no motivation to win it. . . . . .Let Dayokanu bring Aston Villa's team list in the UEFA cup games they lost this season to analyse.
Martin O'Neill threw it away to face his club's priority. . . .Using that to judge em is not only folly but it speaks volume of some people's low IQ.

@ Dayo,

You're still on about this UEFA cup thing. I still find it difficult
to believe that is coming from you. Those UEFA cup results matter
to you more than UCL results. Results like Liverpool 5 Real Madrid 0 (Agg)
no longer matter.

What would you have said if the above was Real Madrid 5 Liverpool 0?

@ Sauron,

When Middlesbrough got to the final in 2006, I doubt whether
up to 1,000 English men watched it.

The back page of The Sun on that day was talking about Flintoff's
injury at the one day test in Bangladesh.

An English club would rather come 10th in the Prmiership rather
than excel in the UEFA.

The UEFA cup is a joke and cannot be used to measure nada

Akinalabi,

I have seen some leagues where team dominated both UEFA cu and UCL that shows that the league is the best.

Spain 2006, Germany 2007 and Italy for the majority of the 90's

If your fist son is the best in primary 5 and your other son is the worst in Primary 4 would it make sense to say the Akinalabis are the smartest in the school?

It's like using Poly Jamb to judge who the best candidate is in Nigeria.

If students from Zamfara state dominate UME logic holds that they should dominate Poly jamb too but being Sharon known to be notoriously senseless what more can we expect

English teams don't give a rat about UEFA cup. . . . . .They make money when they relegate than winning UEFA cup.
There's no motivation to win it. . . . . .Let Dayokanu bring Aston Villa's team list in the UEFA cup games they lost this season to analyse.
Martin O'Neill threw it away to face his club's priority

# 2 Luke Young
# 15 Curtis Davies
# 16 Zat Knight
# 21 Nicky Shorey
# 26 Craig Gardner
# 19 Stiliyan Petrov
# 6 Gareth Barry
# 7 Ashley Young
# 10 John Carew
# 11 Gabriel Agbonlahor

Match list CSKA 1 Aston Villa 1

Hamburg 3 Man City 1

Man City lined up
* 37 Shay Given
* 2 Micah Richards
* 4 Nedum Onuoha
* 5 Pablo Zabaleta
* 7 Stephen Ireland
* 8 Shaun Wright-Phillips
* 10 Robinho
* 22 Richard Dunne
* 25 Wayne Bridge
* 28 Daniel Sturridge
* 39 Craig Bellamy

I have warned you against Beer parlour analysis

English teams don't give a rat about UEFA cup. . . . . .They make money when they relegate than winning UEFA cup.

Braga 3 Portmouth 0

Portmouth lined up
* 1 David James
* 23 Sol Campbell
* 16 Noë Pamarot
* 30 Armand Traoré
* 15 Sylvain Distin
* 28 Sean Davis
* 8 Pape Bouba Diop
* 7 Hermann Hreidarsson
* 25 Glen Little
* 14 Jermain Defoe
* 9 Peter Crouch

Udinese 2 Tottenham 0
Tottenham lined up
* 1 Heurelho Gomes
* 2 Alan Hutton
* 26 Ledley King
* 39 Jonathan Woodgate
* 32 Benoît Assou-Ekotto
* 7 Aaron Lennon
* 4 Didier Zokora
* 8 Jermaine Jenas
* 24 Jamie O'Hara
* 3 Gareth Bale
* 10 Darren Bent

Dayo, you get time ooo, why do you keep trying to correct some people who are bent to go blind just because they just don't want to see?

if the epl don't give a Bleep about the uefa cup, then why is Aston villa, Everton, Fulham and Mancity fighting to finish 5th and 6th? they should all be fighting to go to relegation if they would be making more money overthere, some people just talk like some disturbed children in a rehab.

Dayo, you get time ooo, why do you keep trying to correct some people who are bent to go blind just because they just don't want to see?

if the epl don't give a Bleep about the uefa cup, then why is Aston villa, Everton, Fulham and Mancity fighting to finish 5th and 6th? they should all be fighting to go to relegation if they would be making more money overthere, some people just talk like some disturbed children in a rehab

.
will you just stick to your points and let others do same.
Its normal here for everybody to push their claims with whatever inferences and facts they've got.

and FYI, nobody is correcting anybody here. say your points and waka leave d rest

tkb417:

.
will you just stick to your points and let others do same.
Its normal here for everybody to push their claims with whatever inferences and facts they've got.

and FYI, nobody is correcting anybody here. say your points and waka leave d rest

What point do you want again? i have already stated my points, you can stroll down and read them, i don't have much to say again, i just correct wrong information given by some people wanting to force their opinion on others by crook or by hook.

What point do you want again? i have already stated my points, you can stroll down and read them, i don't have much to say again, i just correct wrong information given by some people wanting to force their opinion on others by crook or by hook.

if you dont have points again, then read from others .
You cant correct when you dont know.

youre guilty of trying to force your opinion on others too if thts how you view the other parties. In an arguement, you go back and forth. The idea is to share knowledge and move on. Not to correct like you said. There are no correct or wrong opinions here

tkb417:

if you dont have points again, then read from others .
You cant correct when you dont know.

youre guilty of trying to force your opinion on others too if thts how you view the other parties. In an arguement, you go back and forth. The idea is to share knowledge and move on. Not to correct like you said. There are no correct or wrong opinions here

Abeg, where did i force someone to accept my point by lying

and where did i post a false comment to suit myself? show me and i will gladly accept and correct it.

Abeg, where did i force someone to accept my point by lying

and where did i post a false comment to suit myself? show me and i will gladly accept and correct it.

point out the lies

tkb417:

point out the lies

you want me to point out the lies
see below

akinalabi:

@ Dayo,

You're still on about this UEFA cup thing. I still find it difficult
to believe that is coming from you. Those UEFA cup results matter
to you more than UCL results. Results like Liverpool 5 Real Madrid 0 (Agg)
no longer matter.

What would you have said if the above was Real Madrid 5 Liverpool 0?

@ Sauron,

When Middlesbrough got to the final in 2006, I doubt whether
up to 1,000 English men watched it.

The back page of The Sun on that day was talking about Flintoff's
injury at the one day test in Bangladesh.

An English club would rather come 10th in the Prmiership rather
than excel in the UEFA.

The UEFA cup is a joke and cannot be used to measure nada

That is 1.

so the lies are
~ tht the UCL results far outweighs what happens in UEFA?
or is the Flintoffs story?

ok. Disprove and show us that they are lies.

PS: That 2nd to the last line was just an exagerration and if you take it hook line and sinker, then i can understand where ure coming from

The champions league and the UEFA cup go hand in hand, they both count and that is what UEFA use as a yardstick to measure the strength of both individual club and a league as a whole, you can't discredit one for the other.

Yes UCL is higher than Uefa cup,

But they are both relevant when measuring the overall strength of a whole League,

I didn't say so, UEFA said so by organising both competitions.

@ honeric01,

How is that a lie? Saying 1,000 Englishmen watched it is just
sacrcasm. Of course, even middlesbrough fans that travelled
are more than 1000.

Did you see the smiley? Dont make such statements if your
comprehension is weak.

honeric01:


I didn't say so, UEFA said so by organising both competitions.

Remember they were organizing the Winners cup as well. They
scrapped it themselves so now domestic cup winners will go play
in it.

The annoying thing about this argument is just that I can imagine
English teams doing well in UEFA cup and flopping in UCL.

I wonder if you will bring up the UEFA argument.

@akin
 you might be joking which i knew before now, but some people wouldn't know and they might end up being misguided and they might go outside and start arguing with friends, they might bet hard earned money and end up losing and even killing themselves in the process, when you need to say something, be sure that you are not the only one reading it and not everyone would think you were joking.


all the same,


the overall strength of a league is measured both with UCL and UEFA cup, and not just one. (In UEFA's rules).