IdisuleOurOwn:
Now, the word


'Oh! Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our sleeping place?

Does it mean that they (evil ones) are in a resting place instead of been punished as stated by the Prophet (S. A. W)?


Demmzy15, lexiconkabir, bashbabe2, Aminat508, AlBaqir, fundamentalist and empiree please your attention is needed here for clarification.

IdisuleOurOwn:
Wslm, brother Abdelkabir (lexiconkabir).
Idris Muhammad Suleiman by name. I will like to know the sura of the verse you quoted so, for me to read the commentary.

IdisuleOurOwn:
Aslm sister Aminat (Aminat508). Thanks for the contribution /clarification, I did appreciate.

I pray Allah to increase us in knowledge.

Aminat508:


There is a point worth pondering about the grave. The Arabic word ‘Marqad’ grave is a noun of place. It means the place of sleeping, a resting place. On the Day of Judgment, after raising their heads from the graves, they say, “Who has raised us up from our sleeping places”, whereas they were being chastised in the grave


Everyone who passes away from this world is, in Barzakh, either in reward or in punishment until finally, he or she reaches either Paradise or Hell, in Qiyamat. He is punished in the grave for the sins committed by him during his life. Sometimes he is purified in this way. Here he says that he was in a “sleeping place” whereas, in fact, he was in Barzakh.

The explanation is that the factors before him are according to his strength and weakness. Life in the world, compared to Barzakh, is sleep. In Barzakh there is wakefulness and the stages in Barzakh are stronger than this world. Similarly, in grave, people are in sleep and they become awake in Qiyamat.

WALLAHU ALLAM

Kazrem:

Afatu

Aminat508:
imamu

Fkforyou:
During the time when someone is the grave does he/she feel the impact of weather for example during raining season is he/she aware or feel the impact of the rain?
Secondly can anyone describe
barzakh?

Aminat508:

There is a point worth pondering about the grave. The Arabic word ‘Marqad’ grave is a noun of place. It means the place of sleeping, a resting place. On the Day of Judgment, after raising their heads from the graves, they say, “Who has raised us up from our sleeping places”, whereas they were being chastised in the grave
Everyone who passes away from this world is, in Barzakh, either in reward or in punishment until finally, he or she reaches either Paradise or Hell, in Qiyamat. He is punished in the grave for the sins committed by him during his life. Sometimes he is purified in this way. Here he says that he was in a “sleeping place” whereas, in fact, he was in Barzakh.
The explanation is that the factors before him are according to his strength and weakness. Life in the world, compared to Barzakh, is sleep. In Barzakh there is wakefulness and the stages in Barzakh are stronger than this world. Similarly, in grave, people are in sleep and they become awake in Qiyamat.
WALLAHU ALLAM

Fkforyou:
During the time when someone is the grave does he/she feel the impact of weather for example during raining season is he/she aware or feel the impact of the rain?
Secondly can anyone describe barzakh?

Aminat508:



1.After entering the world of Barzakh one does not experience physical pains like headache, toothache and such other troubles. And also the weather.Such suffering forms a part of the essentials of the material world. But there, in Barzakh, it is the realm of abstracts or of incorporeal beings. Of course, it can also not be called the Hereafter, which may mean that there will be only darkness for the sinners and only light for the obedient ones.





2. What is meant by al-barzakh is the period between a person's death and his resurrection on the Day of Resurrection,

The literal meaning of barzakh is a veil or a barrier that stands between two things and which does not allow the two to meet.

WALLAHU ALLAM

Aminat508:



1.After entering the world of Barzakh one does not experience physical pains like headache, toothache and such other troubles. And also the weather.Such suffering forms a part of the essentials of the material world. But there, in Barzakh, it is the realm of abstracts or of incorporeal beings. Of course, it can also not be called the Hereafter, which may mean that there will be only darkness for the sinners and only light for the obedient ones.





2. What is meant by al-barzakh is the period between a person's death and his resurrection on the Day of Resurrection,

The literal meaning of barzakh is a veil or a barrier that stands between two things and which does not allow the two to meet.

WALLAHU ALLAM

lexiconkabir:
does this mean, at the second death one goes to "barzakh"?

Aminat508:
2nd death how?

There is another world or domain between this world and the hereafter, which is called Barzakh. After death and before Qiyaamat all the humans and jins have to live therein as per their status. Barzakh is much bigger than this earth. The comparison between this world and Barzakh is like the womb of the mother compared to the earth. In it, there is comfort for some and hardships for others.

WALLAHU ALLAM

IdisuleOurOwn:
Now, the word


'Oh! Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our sleeping place?

Does it mean that they (evil ones) are in a resting place instead of been punished as stated by the Prophet (S. A. W)?


Demmzy15, lexiconkabir, bashbabe2, Aminat508, AlBaqir, fundamentalist and empiree please your attention is needed here for clarification.

AlBaqir:

The case of the dead in Barzakh is something like
that too. Man is composed of the Nafs and material
body. The separation of the two is death (in summary). Note that Grave (Qabr) is where dead body is placed, whereas the Nafs (soul) moves down to Barzakh (mentioned in surah Mu'min: 100). There is however a connection and relationship between the body and soul even after death.

IdisuleOurOwn:
Narrated Anas (r.a) : The Prophet (S. A. W) said, "when a human being is laid in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their foot step, two Angels come to him and make him sit and ask him : What did you use to say about this man, Muhammad (S. A. W)? He will say : I testify that he is Allah's servant and His Apostle. Then it will be said to him, 'look at your place in the Hell - Fire. Allah has given you a place in Paradise instead of it. The Prophet (S. A. W) added,' The dead person will see both his places.
But a non - believer or the hypocrite will say to the Angels, 'I do not know, but I used to say what the people used to say! It will be said to him,' neither do you know nor do you take the guidance (by reciting the Qur'an) '. Then he will be hit with an iron hammer between his two ears, and he will cry and that cry will be heard by whatever approaches him except human beings and jinns'.

usermane:


This tradition fully implies the torment before judgement for the disbelievers is in the grave, not some Barzakah. I hope the referrers of Barzakah can look further into this.

If as Qur'an alludes, disbelievers will claim to be awoken from their sleeping place, then the grave is indeed a sleep place not a torture chamber.
I have discussed this in the past with some fellas here.

lexiconkabir:
Since suratul ghafir verse 11 says we shall die twice, can you make a relation of that with this thread? salam!

usermane:


Please elaborate. I don't understand your question

lexiconkabir:
as stated in suratul ghafir verse 11

now I believe the second death will happen in this "Barzakh", this was why i asked the question i asked earlier. Being my first time of hearing of Barzakh got me confused.

salam!

AlBaqir:


You are absolutely correct. Man was given life to be on probation upon this earth, and then he was made to die. As soon as he died, he got a new kind of life suitable for the intermediate world {the world of Barzakh}. Then when trumpet is blown, everybody will die, and will give up even the intermediate life. Then at the second sound of the trumpet he will raise up for the final judgement and search for his eternal good or bad abode.

lexiconkabir:
some verses of the Quran may imply no punishment in the grave like suratul yasin verse 52, while they are also verses that may imply punishment in the grave like verse 46 of suratul ghafir, which gave rise to this thread, since we are certain that there is no contradiction in the quran, then both claims can't be correct, however i feel this question has been answered in suratul ghafir verse 11, where we are told that we all shall die twice! which may imply the first death takes one to Barzakh where the punishment or reward will take place and the second death which may happen at Barzakh takes one to a resting place(as in suratul yasin verse 52) before Qiyamat. My question is, what do you think of this? salam!

AlBaqir:
@Username, I believe you saw (but ignore) the Last statement There is however a connection and relationship between the body and soul even after death.

What is the difference between Qabr (grave) and Barzakh? Physically no activities is going on in the Grave other than body decomposition. But spiritually, a lot is going on to the Nafs. Al-Qabr is like a gate to Barzakh.

Empiree:
Usermane is too literal as well. In most cases he doesn't connect the dots. When quran speaks sometimes, it speaks figuratively. If he thinks when someone is buried he's just sleeping there as he understands it, that's his understanding. No boxing gloves.

Quran is talking to men of understanding. Yes, there are many things beyond our comprehension. No doubt about that.

Allah also gives us description of death when we sleep. Mr. usermane, when you sleep and dream what happens?. Sometimes we dream we are in good state having fun and all that yet, our body is right there in our bed. And sometimes we have bad dream....terrible yet our body sleeps right there in our bed. Can you tell what going on there?. You don't understand quran at all.