usermane:


Pls, if returning the soul to the body is a metaphor, kindly explain what this metaphor mean. You should rather explain the Hadith I cited and the first Hadith the OP cited before accussing me being overly literal.

At least when you sleep with nightmares, your soul is not in your body during the nightmare. And the body is living, not dead. But the Hadith imply that the soul is within the body during torture in the grave.

PS: I think you sound disrespectful at the end of your post. Who the hell do think you are addressing like that? You have no idea who I am!

AlBaqir:
@Username, it actually become headache since you don't believe in ahadith to give additional information on Quranic subject. All the issues you raised are discussed in detailed on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/2075840/what-happens-soul-dead-person

Peace.

AlBaqir:
@Username, it actually become headache since you don't believe in ahadith to give additional information on Quranic subject. All the issues you raised are discussed in detailed on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/2075840/what-happens-soul-dead-person

Peace.

AlBaqir:
@Username, it actually become headache since you don't believe in ahadith to give additional information on Quranic subject. All the issues you raised are discussed in detailed on this thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/2075840/what-happens-soul-dead-person

Peace.

lexiconkabir:
They will be thrown in fire in the morning and in the evening and when Qiyamat will occur (it will be ordered) “Inflict the severest punishment on Aale Firon.”{suratul ghafir:46} @usermane, this verse gives an insight of barzakh. Notice the underlined, it implies the morning and evening sufferings will happen(in barzakh) before Qiyamat unlike what you were trying to establish that the grave, which is infact a gate to barzakh will be a resting place, and Allah knows best. salam!

usermane:


There is a context which cannot be ignored. Who are 'they' in this verse, all disbelievers or the men of Pharoah?

lexiconkabir:
does this matter? the main point here is, there really is suffering in a realm called Barzakh, this will occur BEFORE Qiyamat. salam!

usermane:


Updated my last reply, check it. Your translation of the verse is off.

lexiconkabir:
being exposed to something means what? if i'm exposed to light, what does it mean? moreover your argument was every soul are at sleep till Qiyamat, whereas this verse shows that every morning and evening these unbelievers are being "exposed"(as you prefer to put it) to fire, and to me this isnt resting, infact its a punishment, unlike what you are trying to establish.

usermane:


Being exposed mean being shown or brought forth to hell not necessarily put into it. The bodies in the grave are in sleep as they would allude when ressurrected. The soul is actually behind the barzakh(barrier) as Qur'an 23:100 mentioned. The soul of the disbelievers are exposed to hell morning and night. This is akin to dreaming in one 's sleep. One is exposed to different things in his dream. It doesnt change the fact that he is asleep.

To be punished twice as in Surat Taubah could mean twice in this world, not necessarily once here and once after death in another world before judgement.

lexiconkabir:
can you give proof(s) for the underlined? punished twice means:- at first a painful death for unbelievers & hypocrites, then secondly a torment in the grave, which they will be admitted into Jahanam(hell) eventually. Salam!

IdisuleOurOwn:
Now, the word


'Oh! Woe to us! Who has raised us up from our sleeping place?

Does it mean that they (evil ones) are in a resting place instead of been punished as stated by the Prophet (S. A. W)?


Demmzy15, lexiconkabir, bashbabe2, Aminat508, AlBaqir, fundamentalist and empiree please your attention is needed here for clarification.

lexiconkabir:
Salam oh brother IdisuleOurOwn(i will like to know your name ), firstly we have to note that there is no contradiction in the Qur'an. Many Verses indicates that we will die twice before the day of recompense(yaomul qiyamah) one of such verses is where Allah(s.w.t) says "They will say:" Our Lord! twice hast Thou made us without life and twice hast Thou given us Life! Now have we recognized our sins: is there any way out (of this)?"{suratul ghafir:11} as we've seen, death is twice, which implies the toment will surely happen but at the first death, the second death will happen before the day of recompense, this will be a moment of resting. note:- this is not a scholarly opinion, its solely mine, and as such, i might be wrong, i will like to know the view of others, Allah Knows best. salam!

kazlaw2000:
Having read all prior comments, I think there is actually no contradiction. My PERSONAL OPINION, based on all evidences provided are listed thus:
1. We shall all experience 2 deaths. The first is the earthly death and the second is the death in Barzakh.
2. After the earthly death, there is punishment for the body for it sins as described by Hadith's. May Allaah save us from it. There is also good tiedings for those that do good. This will continue till the second death.
3. PEHARPS, the second death is the sleeping or rest before the day of judgement when we shall be woken up by the trumpet. So it will be as if everybody was woken from sleep. Wallaaahu A'laam

usermane:


Another problem with this view of Barzakh being the second life to be followed by another death is the life after Barzakh(commencing with ressurection and Judgement) becomes the third life. This is another contradiction that is easily spotted if we agree that there are just 2 death and 2 lives for each person, as relevant verses like Qur'an 44:10 & 2:28 confirms.

kazlaw2000:

You have a point there. But pls re-expkain your views about about suuratu ghaafir, verses 11 and 46. That dream analogy you used doesn't sound convincing enough. Are u through with your research? Suuratu ghaafir verse 46 states, using your interpretation "the soul of the disbelievers will be exposes to hell morning and night". This would be no dream. But a reality after death and BEFORE day of resurrection as stated in the latter part if the verse.