Empiree:
See the way you think?. Sad. Is there anything in my writeup that says jealousy?. Do you remember in the 90s along Lagos-Ibadan expressway where Adeboye's church creates unnecessary holdup in order to gain attention?. Do you think it was by accident? . Do you think it was only for show? . No my friend. Their purpose was fulfilled and that's to get converts. Yes, they got millions of converts from muslims with their fake miracle.

So muslims also stepped up their game with them while you people do nothing because in your world prophet (saw) and Sahaba (ra) did not do that.

Looks like you have no idea what I'm taking about. Did you care to learn that little piece of history? . It's deeper than what I typed here. Let me give you little details. Pastors across nigeria were funded by USA and the west to end islam in Africa in 10 yrs (by 2001). Alhamdulilah they failed. Majority ulama is islam were asleep while these evil people perpetrated their deeds. So nasfat, ansardeen and all that stood up to them. If they were to use your methodology i:e prophet and Sahaba didn't do this and that, entire yoruba land and the east would be christianity by now. But their plan failed. If I see videos of pastor (now a muslim) who was actively involved in the crusade gave his account of the incident I will post it here and you must watch it before your say anything.

Your methodology is wrong. No pawn intended.

enieme:

it's not about the gathering. It's about what's done at d gathering.

Imagine instead if the dhikr was replaced as halaqahs? Or just Muslim get together tovdiscuss issues? ivdont see much knowledge to be gained in singing and readig tasbih.

I hope all's well cos I've argued with u several times b4 and iv never seen u assume such tone as u have on so trivial an issue as this.

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJXUNRr1oCE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkXoc2ai94

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN5G6DJLl0Q

I think these are the clips. Watch out for the man in dark blue native dress. He's the same man in white gown. in the other clip. Just take your time and watch them in full. Let me know if these arent the right clip. There other clips somewhere but cant find them at the moment regarding their plot against Islam in the 90s. Dont know if you are Yoruba. This is Yoruba lecture

enieme:

tqs for sharing but won't be able to watch them for some reasons though I sure do understand yoruba.
i still stick to mybpoit as asalatus due tobo what ibknowbofvhem as a kid (we were chronic asalatu goers ). I'd rather attendbislamic lectures.

Empiree:
well, i was never goer needless to say "chronic" one. And nothing wrong with "Halqa". That has its Sunnah background as well. Halqa simply means gathering. Whats wrong with gathering for Islamic cause?. Here is video of anti-bid'a Sheikh doing his Sunday Halqa -Sheikh Imran Abdul Majeed Eleha


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzxjytDJw_8

You people funny. You would condemn something but you do the same thing. His video titled "Sunday Halqa". So why talk down Sunday As-Salatu?

enieme:

cos asalatu is a halaqah for singing and group dhikr. Not much knowledge is passed on as far as I know.

Empiree:
I guess that's just the way you see things. Just be happy. I am sure they aren't singing Pasuma or Janet Jackson. I can't defend a particular group. I believe they are singing Qasida Burda or Naat. If you aren't comfortable with them just move on. Simple

Empiree:
@Fundamentalist, watch this video, here is your Sheik Imran Majeed Eleha that you revered so much. He acknowledged walimotul Quran and even other forms of walimot. Brother, you need to embrace broad scope of ilm and do away with unnecessary rigidity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doX4K9ax0Sc

Fundamentalist:


I just listened to it, nothing fascinating. The Shaykh should bring proof that walimotul Qur'an is Islamic. A scholar doing something and terming it religious should have a backing proof. In the sunnah there is no blind followership. if on the day of judgement, Allah asks me" why did I do or attend walimotul Qur'an? Will I say I saw Shaykh eleha doing it that's why I did it? Not a pleasing answer.

My brother follow the messenger Muhammad (saw) not a Mallam or Shaykh

Empiree:
you have a very serious problem. This is the same sheikh you or your buddy once credited to be the "only" scholar that preaches "pristine" Islam. Now you disagree with him?. Smh

Fundamentalist:


When and where did I say so? Quote me anywhere and post it here

This is the same sheikh you or your buddy once credited to be the "only" scholar that preaches "pristine" Islam.

Empiree:
I said:



Got it?

Fundamentalist:


Just admit you are wrong that I never said so and stop disturbing yourself. Life is simple don't cover an error with another error

Fundamentalist:
It's forbidden because it's an innovation in religion. Anybody that thinks otherwise must provide proof for it. When and how it should be conducted

miftaudeen:
so because your ulama don't want Islam to be boring that is why they introduced As-salatu group, maolud nabbiy and all kind of innovation, subhanallah that is not islam

Ibnarabi4:



Subhanallah!



Why ignorant people likes to intervene in the rerligious matter??


Are you Muslim


You are condemning something that you have no knowledge about it?

What a pity!


Hope you have this book??

مختار الأحاديث النبويت

our beloved Prophet. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him

said;

إذا دعي أحدكم إلى الوليمة فليأتها‎.‎



If one of you were invited to Walima, so he Attend.....



It's clearly here that Prophet ‎صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‎

permit it to attend Walimah if you were invited

Ibnarabi4 post=51850803:

Subhanallah!
Why ignorant people likes to intervene in the rerligious matter??
Are you Muslim
You are condemning something that you have no knowledge about it?
What a pity!
Hope you have this book??
مختار الأحاديث النبويت
our beloved Prophet. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him
said;
إذا دعي أحدكم إلى الوليمة فليأتها‎.‎
If one of you were invited to Walima, so he Attend.....
It's clearly here that Prophet ‎صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‎
permit it to attend Walimah if you were invited.

who transmitted the Hadith? and what is the hadith number for verification?. lets see the authentic of the hadith before i say some thing on it. afterall i didn't mention walimah
i am waiting for your respond

Ibnarabi4:



Subhanallah!



Why ignorant people likes to intervene in the rerligious matter??


Are you Muslim


You are condemning something that you have no knowledge about it?

What a pity!


Hope you have this book??

مختار الأحاديث النبويت

our beloved Prophet. Peace and blessings of Allah be upon Him

said;

إذا دعي أحدكم إلى الوليمة فليأتها‎.‎



If one of you were invited to Walima, so he Attend.....



It's clearly here that Prophet ‎صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏‎

permit it to attend Walimah if you were invited.