AlBaqir:
^Talk about literal interpretation of ahadith. Anyway all the ahadith pertaining to joining feet and shoulders in salat are all Marfoo. None of them is from the Prophet. But those who have taken whatever sahabi did as Sunnah of the prophet will continue to argue that they are the best generation. Interestingly the one of the narrators of these ahadith was Numan ibn Bashir who was an eight year old at the demise of the Prophet.
What Prophet commanded was a proper standing and a straight-line during salat to the fact that even if an arrow is to be shot, it will go in a straight-line formed by the Saffu. Funny enough some will even argue that hadith says when we put our feet and shoulders together in salat, Shaitan will not find space to enter. Excuse me Smh! Since when was Shaitan became physical to physically romance in between the space left? He works by whispering! And if he were to stay between the lines, he will rather stay with the driver (Imam) to lead the ma'mun (followers) astray.

Sometimes, taking the metaphoric part of the Quran or ahadith as literal will always constitute huge problem.

AlBaqir:

Joining feet and shoulder in salat is nothing but batil (falsehood). It is void. How do you even feel comfortable and focus when all of you pack yourselves like sardines in the name of "joining feet and shoulder"?! Do you know it was established by... Forget bro. So that I don't bring another argument into the fold.

MrOlai:
This is in response to what Albaqir said:






There are many authentic ahadith from the sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam concerned with the command to straighten the rows (for congregational prayer), and so this is rarely hidden from any of the students of (Islamic) knowledge let alone their teachers.

However it remains unknown to many that straightening the rows requires straightening it with the feet, not just the shoulders. Indeed we have often heard some of the Imams of the Masajid (Mosques) pointing out - when ordering the people to straighten the rows - that the Sunnah is to do so with the shoulders to the exclusion of the feet! Since this is contrary to what is established in the authentic Sunnah.


There are two authentic ahadith on this topic: The first is the hadith reported by 'Anas, and the second is that reported by an-Nu'man ibn Bashir, may Allah be pleased with them both.


'Anas ibn Malik reported:[The Prophet said:] "Straighten your rows and come close together, for indeed I see you behind my back". The hadith is reported by al-Bukhari (2/176 - al-Fath, Bulaq edition), Ahmad (3/182 and 263), and al-Mukhallis in al-Fawa'id [1/10/2], all of them reporting via a number of transmission paths (turuq sing. tariq) from Humayd at-Tawil who said 'Anas ibn Malik narrated to us saying:

"The call for commencing of salah was made, the Messenger of Allah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam turned to us and said ... " (then he mentions the above hadith).

Al-Bukhari adds in one narration of this hadith: "(He turned to us and said) before pronouncing the opening takbir ... " Also adding at the end " ... each of us would adjoin his shoulder with that of his companion (standing next to him) and his foot with that of his companion."


This addition also occurs in the report of al-Mukhallis and Ibn Abi Shaybah [1/351] with the following wording: 'Anas said, " ... so I saw each of us adjoining our shoulder with those of our companions and also (adjoining) our feet with those of our companions..." Its chain of narration (sanad) is also sahih according to the conditions stipulated by the Two Shaykhs (al-Bukhari and Muslim).


As for the hadith of an-Nu'man (ibn Bashir) then it is as follows: The hadith of an-Nu'man ibn Bashir. [The Prophet said:] "Straighten your rows (he said it three times), by Allah either you straighten your rows or Allah will cause conflict between your hearts."

The hadith has been selected by Abu Da'wud [no. 662], Ibn Hibban [no. 396], Ahmad [4/276] and ad-Dulabi in al-Kuna [2/86] from Abul-Qasim al-Jadali Husayn ibn al-Harith who said; I heard an-Nu'man ibn Bashir say: "The Messenger of Allah turned to us and said ... " (then he mentioned the above hadith).

Then an-Nu'man ibn Bashir added: " ... so I saw each man joining his shoulder; knee and ankle with that of his companion." The sanad of this hadith is sahih, al-Bukhari quoted it in discontinuous (mu'allaq) form in a decided manner (indicating that he considered it authentic).




Translated from Silsilah al-Ahadith as-Sahihah of Shaykh Muhammad Nasir ud-Din al-Albani, vol. 1, pp. 70-74, hadith nos. 31 and 32

AlBaqir:

We (Shia) have over many centuries after the demise of the holy prophet (saws) presented our 12 Imams as being successor of the holy prophet, it is alarming that Ahl Sunna wal Jama'a (past or present) have NEVER reach any conclusion as who were those 12 as many of their Khalifas were monsters, murderers, adulterers and devil incarnates.

AlBaqir:

There is a narration in Tafsir al-Ayyashi which states that the Prophet (pbuh) was poisoned by his two wives, A’isha and Hafsa.

AlBaqir:

Other evidence for the Prophet being martyred(poisoned) comes from the narration of Imam Sadiq (a.s):
'There is none of us but is killed by sword or poison'

CabbieAC:
MrOlai are you familiar with Abu naasir Ibrahim abdur rauf and Abdul Ghaniy jumah?Its aareonakakanfo speaking

MrOlai:

Na'am my brother. Abu Naasir Ibrahim AbduRauf was my senior colleague in the same department from Great Ife. I'm not very close to Ustaz Abdul Ghaniy Jum'ah. Notwithstanding, he is a respected Scholar.

Aareonakakanfo:

Ha! Afa leyin gaan ni yen ooo.He's a genius

MrOlai:

Aareonakakanfo:

Do you have any idea what he's up to at the moment? I no dey naija

MrOlai:


I've actually lost contact with him. But as at the last time, he was working with a company in Saudi Arabia.

Empiree:
^^^^ Interesting.

Brief Derailment

One thing I also learned from here and that I have been trying to see if there is theoretical evidence for it, I easily bumped into it on this thread. I learned it from practical approach from shuyuk about 8 (eight) virtues that prophet Muhammad(SAW) has that other prophets do not have. One of them is mentioned along your references across the board.

They said rosul (SAW) does not look back. He sees and knows what's behind him anytime.

The hadith quoted above confirm that. But if the hadith is read literally, folks wont pay attention. This is why I like "Islamic Spiritualism". It gives practical implicit knowledge about everything.

Here is the hadith:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (sa) said, “Straighten your rows for I see you from behind my back.” Anas added, “Everyone of us used to put his shoulder with the shoulder of his companion and his foot with the foot of his companion.” [Bukhari]

Among other virtues are:

* he does not yawn,

* when he sits in the company of people, he's always the tallest (even if a tallest man) sits next to him.

Just mentioned few.

Indeed, he's truly 'AKANDA EDA' - SallahAllahu Alaiy wa a'la aliy wasallam

Aareonakakanfo:



Hmmmn really? I thought he was in Osun state?

lanrexlan:
^^
Childish, all the videos above are NEVER from Shia scholars, they are Sunni just like yourself.Attacking Albaqir won't change anything.

Watch the videos and counter them

MrOlai:


Foolish talk!

Stupidity of the highest order!

Birds of the same feather!

MrOlai:


You're a fool! Simply because I've been keeping silent on all your attacks on me, you think I don't know what to say. All your atacks on me, what are they? Are they not insults and abusive?

Bring it on again! You'll forever regret it in your life. Animal!

lexiconkabir:
It was narrated that al-Nu’maan ibn Basheer said:
“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned to face the people and said, ‘Straighten your rows,’ three times, ‘for by Allaah either you straighten your rows or Allaah will create division among your hearts.’ [size=15pt]And I saw men standing shoulder to shoulder, knee to knee, ankle to ankle"[/size]
Points to note;
1.) The prophet ordered them to straighten their rows.
2.) The sahabas translated it as STANDING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, KNEE TO KNEE, ANKLE TO ANKLE
3.) The sahabi that gave the narration said "and i saw them.." Which suggests he was praying with the prophet for the first time along with the other sahabas that has been praying with the prophet for long.
4.) The sahabas the narrator referred to were not praying with the prophet for the first time which suggests the prophet must have thought them that straightening of rows means to join their ankles, feets, and shoulders.
5.) The prophet didnt see anything wrong with it, therefore it is not baatil(falsehood) like the deviants on this thread claimed.
BE CAREFUL OF THESE DEVIANTS!!!
And Allaah knows best.

MrOlai:


Those deviants have accomplices among the muslims who are backing and encouraging them! It'so shameful!

lexiconkabir:


Actually i was referring to all the people that claimed the sunnah is baatil as deviants.

I tried listening to first man that spoke and he just hammered on nu'man being 8years old, although i don't know where he got that from but even if it is true, is he saying an 8years old is not old enough to know whats going on? I still remember things that happened clearly when i was 5years, so he has no point.

lexiconkabir:
It was narrated that al-Nu’maan ibn Basheer said:

“The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned to face the people and said, ‘Straighten your rows,’ three times, ‘for by Allaah either you straighten your rows or Allaah will create division among your hearts.’ And I saw men standing shoulder to shoulder, knee to knee, ankle to ankle"

Points to note;

1.) The prophet ordered them to straighten their rows.

lexiconkabir:

2.) The sahabas translated it as STANDING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER, KNEE TO KNEE, ANKLE TO ANKLE

lexiconkabir:

3.) The sahabi that gave the narration said "and i saw them.." Which suggests he was praying with the prophet for the first time along with the other sahabas that has been praying with the prophet for long.

lexiconkabir:

4.) The sahabas the narrator referred to were not praying with the prophet for the first time which suggests the prophet must have thought them that straightening of rows means to join their ankles, feets, and shoulders.

lexiconkabir:

5.) The prophet didnt see anything wrong with it, therefore it is not baatil(falsehood) like the deviants on this thread claimed.

And Allaah knows best.