Kamxin:

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
So Christ lied?
So Christ laboured in vain?
I repeat The Catholic church was not made for the bible, but the bible was made for the Catholic church.

Jolliano:



Please, do not waste your time listening to @loksman. He calls himself a Christian but he believes that there will be no judgement and that there is no life after death. Check all his posts in Nairaland.

This guy is not even serious with himself.

Kamxin:

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

So Christ lied?
So Christ laboured in vain?

I repeat The Catholic church was not made for the bible, but the bible was made for the Catholic church.

uboma:



You can go and twist the Bible for all I care. This is what you and your like minded fellows do, deceive naïve people.

Cite just one example of a recorded case from the Bible where an infant was sprinkled with water, all in the name of being baptized. Even Jesus Christ, the role model for Christians was not baptized as an infant but as a full grown man.

Keep wallowing in ignorance.

Speechless3:
Okay i need your help. Was born by catholic parents and by default, amma catholic too, but what i dont understand is my birth church adopts two authorities. Its own and the bible. And to be sincere, its hard ta admit it, the bible is seen as a sub-authority...

Well not like i even read the bible ummm but i have this feeling something is nat in place.

Can someone figure this out.

I still love my church but...

Cc: Italo, Rich4God, Olaadegbu, Malvisguy and others...

italo3:


Do you know that the bible was compiled and canonized by the Church in 382Ad?

italo3:
Do you know that even the Bible says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth?

uboma:

You can go and twist the Bible for all I care. This is what you and your like minded fellows do, deceive naïve people.
Cite just one example of a recorded case from the Bible where an infant was sprinkled with water, all in the name of being baptized. Even Jesus Christ, the role model for Christians was not baptized as an infant but as a full grown man.
Keep wallowing in ignorance.

Speechless3:
Compiled, yes but canonised? explain sir.
Of course the church is the soul custodian of truth that was authored by God himself. I have always known this church to be the roman catholic church until i started reading the epistles few days ago. The churches depicted do not look like our catholic church to be sincere but maybe am reading them wrongly, dont know. Already very worried. Are there books you think i should read instead of the bible? pls share.
Thank u

Kamxin:


Catholic doctrines are same throughout the world.
Rejection of any Catholic doctrine by anyone makes him a protestant, just like you. The transition is automatic.

So my question still stand,
why can't the thousands of protestant denominations agree on the same doctrine?
The spirit that guide protestants give you people different will of God that is opposite of one another, only to bring you people together to lambast the holy mother church.

JMAN05:

Do you want me to quote the words of your scholars that argue against your doctrine, and still catholics?

JMAN05:


Do you want me to quote the words of your scholars that argue against your doctrine, and still catholics?

Kamxin:


@op do not listen to mushroom interpreters on this forum, they have no doctrine, but invent improvise doctrines to suit nomadic transitions. The word of God is static and Catholic doctrines are static, none has contradicted the other in its 2000 years in existence. So don't shake at all.

Kamxin:


Scholars ke? Every Catholic is a scholar, every written word could be argued without rejecting it.
Argument promotes understanding, whether for or against. Catholic doctrines are voluminous so human poor understanding can lead to argument to investigate what exactly the doctrine is saying. As you know, that does not imply rejection.

Reminder: my dear why are you still evading the above question, answer it and restore your peace of mind.

Jolliano:


Scholars don't determine the Catholic Faith. The Apostles and their successors which make up the Magisterium are the ones who determined the Faith according to the truth that the Holy Spirit taught them just as Jesus said He would.

JMAN05:


Don't be too fast Oga. Now what if I present a doctrine initiated by a pope, which another pope came and nullified?

JMAN05:


The issue is that not all hold to the church doctrine, and that is disunity inside the church. Of course, am not a protestant. But you guys also interfaith with protestant and still claim they are on there own. So hilarious.

JMAN05:

The issue is that not all hold to the church doctrine, and that is disunity inside the church. Of course, am not a protestant. But you guys also interfaith with protestant and still claim they are on there own. So hilarious.

Speechless3:
Compiled, yes but canonised? explain sir.

To formally declare that the bible (the chosen books) is the inspired word of God.

Of course the church is the soul custodian of truth that was authored by God himself. I have always known this church to be the roman catholic church until i started reading the epistles few days ago. The churches depicted do not look like our catholic church to be sincere but maybe am reading them wrongly, dont know. Already very worried. Are there books you think i should read instead of the bible? pls share.

Thank u

Kamxin:


You must be under some kind of illusion, the pope have no right to reject any doctrine and none has done so. It is a Catholic tradition. Soon you will Wikipedia yourself as a form of support to your stand.

The question I asked you is still begging for answer.

Jolliano:


Dialogue with protestants doesn't mean we are united with them. I can give you lists of differences between The Catholic Church and all the other faith communities that people now call churches.

Not holding to the doctrine is different from accepting the doctrine.
If I'm born into a family where trousers are banned, I may have a personal dislike of that doctrine but I can never take the place and authority of my father and try to change it.

JMAN05:

Am not talking of dialogue. If protestants are heretics, you shouldn't interfaith with them. That is a Chameleon-like attitude. Rev 18:4

Jolliano:


What do you now mean by inter-faith?

Speechless3:
Okay i need your help. Was born by catholic parents and by default, amma catholic too, but what i dont understand is my birth church adopts two authorities. Its own and the bible. And to be sincere, its hard ta admit it, the bible is seen as a sub-authority...

Well not like i even read the bible ummm but i have this feeling something is nat in place.

Can someone figure this out.

I still love my church but...

Cc: Italo, Rich4God, Olaadegbu, Malvisguy and others...

italo3:


What in the Epistles is unlike our Catholic Church?

I think I'll recommend some websites that make a defense for the Catholic faith with scriptures and the writings of the early Church Fathers, who were the first successors and associates of the apostles.

https://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php (read the apologetics section)

http://www.johnsalza.com/p/scripturefathers.html?m=1 (you'd have to scroll down to see links to different topics)

If you have any concern or challenge at all, please let me know.

Then I have some questions for you to ponder:

If the Catholic Church is not the true Church of Jesus Christ, then which Church is it?

If the Catholic Church is a false Church, then how can we trust the Epistles/Bible it compiled to be true?

Jolliano:


Baptism is the circumcision of the New Covenant. Were
infants circumcised or not? They were.

" Jesus said, "Let the little children come to
me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
He never said wait till they are older, then bring them to
me.

Read Acts Chapter 2 v 39 - 43.

semasir:
The truth don't actually cost anything and that's exactly what you just said. The Catholic Church is a denominational setup that really have got a bigger share if not the biggest to deceiving many.

Their doctrine are purely man-made placing their opinions over Biblical standards. Please search thru the Bible very and you'll know what is right even more.

semasir:
Sir, may I ask you if there was any church before the Catholic Church?

semasir:
Please read Colossians 2.8-10. The OP isn't immature to discern this. In the meantime, baptism is for remission of sins and never applicable to infants anywhere; please learn how to apply a Biblical passage with the previous chapter/verses/content to get the message and not lift a passage to suit your claims. Thanks

semasir:
The truth don't actually cost anything and that's exactly what you just said. The Catholic Church is a denominational setup that really have got a bigger share if not the biggest to deceiving many.

Their doctrine are purely man-made placing their opinions over Biblical standards. Please search thru the Bible very and you'll know what is right even more.

semasir:
Sir, may I ask you if there was any church before the Catholic Church?

JMAN05:


Gregory I (785-90) calls anyone Antichrist who takes the name of universal bishop, and contrariwise Boniface III (607- made the parricide Emperor Phocas confer that title upon him. Paschal II (1088-99) and Eugenius III (1145-53) authorized duelling; Julius II (1509) and Pius IV (1560) forbade it. Eugenius IV (1431-39) approved of the Council of Basle and the restitution of the chalice to the church of Bohemia; Pius II (1458) revoked the concession. Hadrian II (867-872) declared civil marriages to be valid; Pius VII (1800-23) condemned them. To mention but a few.

So, which of the Popes had the true spirit, and which has the false?