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Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Lax75(m): 6:55pm On May 12, 2009
I am one of many who is getting ready to relocate back home and I just wanted to get a feel for what the corporate life is like in Nigeria, compared with that here in the US. Wanted some information on how those in nigeria view diasporans who come back to work along with them, bosses, work hours, any technical challenges, are a lot of the processes manual or automated, etc.

Those who have relocated, do you prefer corporate nigeria? Whyso.

Thanks

Also, is there a demand for Financial Analysts in Nigeria? Those who do Analysis, Reporting, Forecasting, Budgeting and Building of Financial Models.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by tkb417(m): 12:58pm On May 13, 2009
Also, is there a demand for Financial Analysts in Nigeria? Those who do Analysis, Reporting, Forecasting, Budgeting and Building of Financial Models.

i do these things and i work in Nigeria. If ure qualified with a good degree, good certifcation and some years of experience, 9ja is the place to be.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by AjanleKoko: 4:16pm On May 13, 2009
Lot more opportunities in Nigeria for financial analysts who are Nigerian-born. Though highly competitive, as the naija boys dey really on top of their game. In fact I wonder if someone from yankee can even compete!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by DisGuy: 11:23pm On May 13, 2009
AjanleKoko:

Lot more opportunities in Nigeria for financial analysts who are Nigerian-born. Though highly competitive, as the naija boys dey really on top of their game. In fact I wonder if someone from yankee can even compete!

I dont think the banks and others will be recruiting in yankee annually if they cant
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by DisGuy: 11:26pm On May 13, 2009
THE QUINTESSENTIAL NIGERIAN WORKER – 31/03/09

The Nigerian worker aspires to a point where his table is cleared of blame. This is achieved by ensuring there is somebody else is to blame. Preferably some patsy who is too weak to fight back. The strong overpower the weak.

The perfect Nigerian worker sails through his day with very little worry. He is not a team player. He is not here to help you or to provide solutions to your problems or to support you in any way. He is here to support himself and if you wish to support him, even better, as long as you deliver to his requirements and on time. He only believes in team work when it is useful to him meeting his own deliverables. Otherwise, it is an alien concept.

I come from an environment where it is encouraged to be a team player. In this environment, being a team player is asking for it. You never, ever take on some one elses work. Make a mistake and you are the one to take the blame for everything that has gone wrong since the other person started in the company. I just had an ear full from some one who was telling me what to do to correct his mistakes. I had taken on board his requests and subsequently when things did not go well, he started screaming in my ear that I did not follow his instructions.

I could have told him to go shove it but that would not be professional of me. He’s already going to stew in his own juices, I don’t have to make it worse for him (I should make it worse for him really, that’s probably what he would have done if the tables were turned)

Do I seek to become the perfect Nigerian worker with my tightly delineated job spec. and woe betide anyone that comes to ask for anything beyond my spec. or do I continue down the lonely path of being there for everyone, the quintessential team player that wins no medals for supporting the team (if such a concept exists)?

Nnobi
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by AjanleKoko: 10:55am On May 14, 2009
Dis Guy:

I dont think the banks and others will be recruiting in yankee annually if they cant

Bro, na dem companies know why they always do that.
I have worked with many many of these chaps, and 9.9 out of 10 times, they don't know jack. Asides from the heavy phoney, nothing much else is seen. If you are referring to actual technical know-how, they fall short of the average Nigerian. I have come to conclude that it's just perception and hype. I'm sure I can't be the only person on this NL with that opinion.

Dis Guy:

THE QUINTESSENTIAL NIGERIAN WORKER – 31/03/09

The Nigerian worker aspires to a point where his table is cleared of blame. This is achieved by ensuring there is somebody else is to blame. Preferably some patsy who is too weak to fight back. The strong overpower the weak.

The perfect Nigerian worker sails through his day with very little worry. He is not a team player. He is not here to help you or to provide solutions to your problems or to support you in any way. He is here to support himself and if you wish to support him, even better, as long as you deliver to his requirements and on time. He only believes in team work when it is useful to him meeting his own deliverables. Otherwise, it is an alien concept.

I come from an environment where it is encouraged to be a team player. In this environment, being a team player is asking for it. You never, ever take on some one elses work. Make a mistake and you are the one to take the blame for everything that has gone wrong since the other person started in the company. I just had an ear full from some one who was telling me what to do to correct his mistakes. I had taken on board his requests and subsequently when things did not go well, he started screaming in my ear that I did not follow his instructions.

I could have told him to go shove it but that would not be professional of me. He’s already going to stew in his own juices, I don’t have to make it worse for him (I should make it worse for him really, that’s probably what he would have done if the tables were turned)

Do I seek to become the perfect Nigerian worker with my tightly delineated job spec. and woe betide anyone that comes to ask for anything beyond my spec. or do I continue down the lonely path of being there for everyone, the quintessential team player that wins no medals for supporting the team (if such a concept exists)?

Nnobi

Some questions for this guy. Is he not a Nigerian? How has he brought his own background, experience, and emotional intelligence to bear within the organization, and with the people he has to work with?
Also what kind of organization was he working with abroad? You can't compare a consulting environment with under 100 staff with a global conglomerate with 5,000 staff. Culture in organizations are different, but you'll find that patterns are generally the same.
You want to work somewhere, you need to brace up for the cultural challenges. Why should working in Nigeria be the same as working in the USA? Is working in Guam the same as working in Nigeria?

There is nowhere you work and you don't face a cultural challenge. If you leave Nigeria and go and work in UK or US, it has its own challenges. One time I was on some sort of secondment to the ME region, and I had some Arabs in my team. Now Nigerians are fantastic people compared to Arabs. If you don't know Arabs, let me tell you how they are: very lazy, aggressive, full of mischief, have no sense of timing or urgency, and always trying to undermine you. Plus they obviously took the black thing a lot more serious than the average Oyinbo. You can imagine, in the UAE, you can't take a professional exam and the company will sponsor, unless all the UAE nationals have taken and passed the exam. Same as drivers license; foreigners have to go through some minor purgatory to own a drivers license in that country. What would our boy have done?

If we want to be corporate leaders, we have to take responsibility and use maturity and emotional intelligence to navigate through. Rather than taking an idealistic position and end up frustrating ourselves, we must be very careful to figure out the realities in our environment. That is the real key to success in my view, and I speak from personal experience.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Nobody: 12:35pm On May 14, 2009
people who work abroard typically work as specialists. the way things are in nigeria, most of us are generalists. eg i as an engineer, i do electrical and air conditioning, data, fire alarm designs, i do my own drawings, i do my own contract documentation, i do some small hands on jacky work. . .if i were in yankee, i would proably have been trained in only one of the above , and i woukld be completely out of water, if asked to work on any of the others.

that is the issue that faces so many professionals that come back home imho; their environemnt has not prepared them towork in the nigerian environment

as AJK noted, they them fall back on the phone/accent and i can tell you with an accent and the right amount of bulls- you will go very far.

i have a friend from back in school who came from yankee in his teens. his siblings have more or less shed the yankee accent, but the guy no gree.in class, the guy would talk total op, and the lecturers would just be nodding their heads. the only guy it failed to work on was bj olfeagba. he immediately told the guy to stop talking nonsense.

there is nothing like an incomprehensible accent and the ability to bamboozle cheesy grin
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by tkb417(m): 1:20pm On May 14, 2009
as AJK noted, they them fall back on the phone/accent and i can tell you with an accent and the right amount of bulls- you will go very far.

omo dem full my company berekete.
yankee/londy returnees with plenty accent.
ask dem to do 100hrs a week even with Bonus, na lie

all na packaging. You can only shakara me with ur accent if u have the brains to complement it or else na 'korofo' we go call you.


NB: We homegrown PRO in my coy calls the returnees with no substance korofo grin grin
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by baby123: 1:31pm On May 14, 2009
lax 75 , i feel you , tbk don tell u wetin dey make sure say u get stuffs for head before u show , no be just papers ooooo
cause niger guys no dey joke at all .
so if ur head is engage and u have the right papers bro , we will all give u love .
also ajanle koko u have spoken well .
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by DisGuy: 1:42pm On May 14, 2009
Bro, na dem companies know why they always do that.
I have worked with many many of these chaps, and 9.9 out of 10 times, they don't know jack. Asides from the heavy phoney, nothing much else is seen. If you are referring to actual technical know-how, they fall short of the average Nigerian. I have come to conclude that it's just perception and hype. I'm sure I can't be the only person on this NL with that opinion.
I agree some people will get through the net either by networking or droping phoney at the interviews but definitely not 99% of them, the financial sector isnt that different (no be calculations CFA etc etc  grin )perhaps the (working)culture and environment might be challenging for the first few months but overall they will fit in perfectly.

oyb:

people who work abroard typically work as specialists. [b]the way things are in nigeria, most of us are generalists. eg i as an engineer, i do electrical and air conditioning, data, fire alarm designs, i do my own drawings, i do my own contract documentation, i do some small hands on jacky work. . .[/b]if i were in yankee, i would proably have been trained in only one of the above , and i woukld be completely out of water, if asked to work on any of the others.

that is the issue that faces so many professionals that come back home imho; their environemnt has not prepared them towork in the nigerian environment

as AJK noted, they them fall back on the phone/accent and i can tell you with an accent and the right amount of bulls- you will go very far.

i have a friend from back in school who came from yankee in his teens. his siblings have more or less shed the yankee accent, but the guy no gree.in class, the guy would talk total op, and the lecturers would just be nodding their heads. the only guy it failed to work on was bj olfeagba. he immediately told the guy to stop talking nonsense.

there is nothing like an incomprehensible accent and the ability to bamboozle cheesy grin



Totally agree with you, not that i have any particular experience but i can just see people having to do more than their job spec
now i know why im always struggling to figure out what exactly you are, one minute you were talking cad, next some i.t stufftehn oil n gas
a bit of finance, I.T stuff  shocked na to start you comapny remain
 wink
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by proudly9ja(m): 1:54pm On May 14, 2009
@ lax

as someone who has worked in Nigeria and abroad, I can assure you confidently that if you have the right qualifications, you will succeed in Nigeria. Like someone said, you may struggle within the first few months and thats because you need to adjust a lot to the 'Nigerian mentality' and trust me, you will get loads of that. Just reading through posts on this thread and you will understand what I mean. Anyways, you survival totally depends on how ready you are to adjust and also on your oga's principles. If he is the kind that likes people sucking up to him, abeg don't try to prove anything, suck up. If you're not the type that can do such, like me, then make sure you do all you're asked to do very well, better than anyone else in that coy can so that when its time for someone to stand up for you and noone does, at least, your work wll stand up for you.

I worked in two multinationals in Naija before coming for further study, and in both I realised that as Nigerians, our attitude to work needs to change but mr lax, like I said, just study the place for a few weeks/months depending and adjust asap. Depending on your career goals, if you ask me, spend time developing yourself even if its outside the country (Im sure ul be able to afford it working for a good coy) and keep your goals in mind.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by spoilt(f): 1:58pm On May 14, 2009
@ proudly9ja
I agree with you. I worked in nigeria before i relocated and i still visit Nigeria every year. The mentality is the same. That Nigerian mentality will be your hardest obstacle to surmount f you've ever worked outside the country. You wont believe the way they work or the way they expect you to work. The irony is that they'll think that you're the one with the problem. grin
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Nobody: 2:09pm On May 14, 2009
Dis Guy:

I agree some people will get through the net either by networking or droping phoney at the interviews but definitely not 99% of them, the financial sector isnt that different (no be calculations CFA etc etc  grin )perhaps the (working)culture and environment might be challenging for the first few months but overall they will fit in perfectly.

Totally agree with you, not that i have any particular experience but i can just see people having to do more than their job spec
now i know why im always struggling to figure out what exactly you are, one minute you were talking cad, next some i.t stufftehn oil n gas
a bit of finance, I.T stuff  shocked na to start you comapny remain
 wink

cheesy na liver i dey look for. . .always best to do these thingys before kids etal. . .
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by kokoye(m): 2:24pm On May 14, 2009
Nigerians!!

When are we going to start appreciating each other?? A person struggles to go abrad and improve on his skills or complete his / education after several ASUU strikes and job searches but is then scared to come back to his own land because of haters like you people. And you are the same ones who chased him out of the country in the first place, by looking down on him and not giving him a job after several degrees.

Now he comes back home and ur beefing him, talking about phoney and stuff. And i bet you are also the same ones who will laugh at him if he talks like a typical oshodi man - saying ur sure he went to clean toilets abroad!

One can never satisfy you people.

You guys are also the same people who will be kissing up to an overrated foreign expatriate. Why cant you be happy and wish well for ur own people Jealousy of course.

And then you wonder why some naijas decide never to come home - it is because of people like you will are always looking for ways to kill their spirits and bring them down.

@ poster. Keep ur head up high ojare. I have several friends who have moved back home and they are doing extremely well. Like some people rightly mentioned, you might just have to adjust ur mentality to the surrounding environment.

Good luck.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by proudly9ja(m): 3:13pm On May 14, 2009
@spoilt

True. I have friends working in some coys back home. Sometimes we get to discuss issues. When I tell them how its done here, noone wants to listen believing that Im 'showing off'. So most times, I just keep quiet. Also the average Naija worker is an 'oga pleaser' always eager to do oga's bid no matter what it is. Its a major problem I had with colleagues back home. I don't understand how a graduate trainee will stoop so low as to be going to buy food for oga all in the name of pleasing oga. For goodness sakes, you spent 5 years in school! Here, my supervisor wants us to meet, she sends me a mail or calls me and wants to know if that time is good for me (unless its an emergency) and if its not good for me, I tell her so and reschedule.

My major grouse however is that the average Naija worker views promotion and hence more money ahead of his career goals. For me Ive always advised that whereever you find yourself, as much as possible, have a goal and work on it. Develop yourself even if you have to spend your money.Don't wait for your Organisation to send you on courses, trainings, etc, do it yourself and don't just do it for paper reason, do it to make yourself better.

@kokoye

I think its just a complex issue people need to work on for themselves. We do not believe in ourselves enough so we look down on anyone who comes with 'an accent' thinking he/she is coming to rule over us.

And for those who don't know, that is why multinationals who know what they are doing come abroad every year to recruit Nigerians. Its not just about the knowledge, its the change in orientation, change in way of thinking, if you don't know, it matters a lot!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by spikedcylinder: 3:23pm On May 14, 2009
Bloody hell! Becomrich manages to squeeze a map into this thread? shocked shocked shocked

This is a sickness.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by tkb417(m): 3:43pm On May 14, 2009
And for those who don't know, that is why multinationals who know what they are doing come abroad every year to recruit Nigerians. Its not just about the knowledge, its the change in orientation, change in way of thinking, if you don't know, it matters a lot!
yeah, u right!!!
which of the multinationals recruit based on those? ill like to know just to for the records
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Sagamite(m): 4:22pm On May 14, 2009
Becomrrich:

Relocation is a must for most nigerian abroad.

we are sending a bill to the national assembly to relocate the Yoruba,bendle and bayelsa state into Benin republic to give the North majority of the population of Nigeria and also allow them to control 70% of Nigeria oil. A copy of the bill would also be copied to the president and over 5,000 newspapers, television and radio around the world.

If , that is God forbid, the bill fails at the National assembly, I would relocate back to Nigeria and run for office to make sure the bill is reintroduced and By God on our side. It would pass. I need your support to do this, thru your prayer, encouragement ,letter, emotion, financial , letters, email, greeting, fasting etc to be able to do this. The revolution to make our people live get better shall not be stop.

We are begging AIT to please run the bill at the national assembly live on AIT. We would like to know those senators and house reps member who are traitors and betrayers of our people. And any senator or House of representative from the Belodok state who does not vote Yes to relocate the Belodok state to republic of Benin to give the North majority of the population and 70% of the control of the oil, we want to know them. So that we would make sure they do not return back to the senate and rep, since they are not true representative of our people.

We know the northern senators and reps would do us proud and vote yes. Even some of them have stated making contact to confirm and support our bill. And we say thank you to those northern senators and reps who have made contact to see the satellite pictures and listen to our story. And who have decided to save the life of 15 millions people and put thier own selfish interest behind and Nigeria first to avoid a war in future. Thank you.

Like Obama said
We thank the labour union.

EgbeOmoOduduwa@hotmail.com

Egbe Omo Oduduwa

Egbe Omo IZODUWA
Egbe Omo OKODUWA
Egbe Omo ADUMU
Egbe Omo Ekaladerhan

Oduduwa other name are IZODUWA, Ekaladerhan, OKODUWA, ADUMU in other tougues. We all know we are talking about the same man.

Retard!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by AjanleKoko: 4:24pm On May 14, 2009
Guys,
Fair enough perspectives sha from everyone. However, I seriously beg to differ, cos the problem is a lot more serious than you guys make it. It's not about Nigerian factor, work ethics, bla bla bla. Many of these guys simply cannot deliver, period!
Even in the financial sector, you need to demonstrate particular knowledge and skill before any organization can assess your value. Abi? Or is it certificate people are hiring? Most likely so, cos most of these guys are never drilled in terms of what they can really deliver. Most HR people just buy into the 'phoney'. After all, some people do Bsc here, go abroad for Masters and come back. Those ones generally fit in, and mostly into entry level or semi-entry level. Nobody hands them senior portfolios.

Has anybody ever asked how the trend of hiring from abroad started? Was a particular industry need identified that only these peeps could fill?
If so, how come these peeps are never seen in the technical/engineering areas? How come it's only MBAs, Project Managers, Business Process people, and all these fancy kinda people are the repats?

The truth is, most of these hirings are done with zero depth (interviews don't even bother to proble once they hear the accent) and little or no basis. In my previous company, the HR would embark on jamborees to UK and US job fairs, and they would recruit all kinds of people. You'll never find any of these people in Finance or Engineering, you see them more in IT (strictly in the IT Program/Service management function, never engineers, analysts, or developers), Quality Management, Business Process Management, Legal, and all other places where they're not really required to demonstrate any particular hands-on experience, technical or otherwise. You end up concluding that these guys were not hired to make any kind of difference. It's just trend, period.
So most of these guys, you sit in meetings with them and you hear an endless lamentation about best practices, a throwdown of various vague acronyms that we're all familiar with, etc, when I was in this doing that, but never anything concrete.

I expect, for example, a project manager to be in firm control of the basics when he's handed a project, and sit people down and say 'we need to define the scope, create a charter, identify the SMART objectives, etc, etc'. I don't expect to hear vague details about the projects he managed while in the UK or US.  I remember a PM assigned to a project of mine then, who supposedly had 17 years project experience, Prince2 and PMP certified (I'm talking of 2002, when nobody even knew what Prince2 was!). This guy never did a single thing on the project. After the initiation meeting, the guy simply didn't show up for any meeting anymore. One of the guys in my team, who wasn't even a trained PM, now had to take the leadership role, define all the work packages with all stakeholders, and carry the whole thing on his shoulders. The only communication I ever saw again from the guy in the course of the project was a one-liner in one email he was copied in, saying 'Scope Creep!'

Now I won't throw the baby out with the bath water anyways. Lots of people come around and bring their diaspora experience to good use in various organizations. But 9.9 times out of 10 (i'm saying it again!), they simply do not. the 9.9 are just fluff. I won't even buy oyb's explanation of generalists and specialists. That's always their excuse. Once I interviewed a supposed BI person with a masters in informatics, Oracle certified, and the person didn't know what a partition table was, and what it was used for. That's just like saying you studied O level maths and you have never seen a quadratic equation before. Besides, like tkb pointed out, you don't really need to know anything to work in an organization. Just be able to BS as required, get past the interviews, and you're set for life.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by proudly9ja(m): 4:37pm On May 14, 2009
@ Ajanlekoko

Mobil hires Nigerian Engineers every year in the UK,US. Its not just in the IT or HR or Finance sectors. Thats just an example.

Anyways, I can't argue with you cos you are talking from what you know and I have given samples of what I know but I still maintain my stand, work ethic/orientation in most Naija coys needs a total change.

tkb417:

yeah, u right!!!
which of the multinationals recruit based on those? ill like to know just to for the records


kindly rephrase your question cos I don't get your point at all
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by kokoye(m): 4:40pm On May 14, 2009
A full page of nothing but pure beef, hatred, bad belle and jealousy. No words to encourage your brother who chose to return home and contribute.

No need to argue to change that kinda mentality.

Dawg, keep on chasing the Hyena.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by AjanleKoko: 5:18pm On May 14, 2009
proudly9ja:

@ Ajanlekoko
Mobil hires Nigerian Engineers every year in the UK,US. Its not just in the IT or HR or Finance sectors. Thats just an example.
Anyways, I can't argue with you cos you are talking from what you know and I have given samples of what I know but I still maintain my stand, work ethic/orientation in most Naija coys needs a total change.

Mobil and Total hires Nigerian engineers from the UK and US, just like Total and Chevron do. Part of their Graduate Trainee program.
They hire them on basically the same levels that Nigerian staff are hired, and around the same wage mostly. For Mobil that would be CL 21-23, depending on qualifications and experience.
They now put these guys on the same training and exposure regimen as the Nigerian guys. So where is the value add, bros?
My argument has been that the guys from abroad are not particularly better than the local guys. In fact many are even worse. So I would not hire someone out of the UK or US based purely on their CV. They have to prove that they can bring something to the table.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by kokoye(m): 5:26pm On May 14, 2009
AjanleKoko:

My argument has been that the guys from abroad are not particularly better than the local guys. In fact many are even worse. . . . . .

   

I hope you never have to conduct an interview for a returning Nigerian with this kind of biased mindset. It is simply not right.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by bigboyslim(m): 5:32pm On May 14, 2009
AjanleKoko:

Mobil and Total hires Nigerian engineers from the UK and US, just like Total and Chevron do. Part of their Graduate Trainee program.
They hire them on basically the same levels that Nigerian staff are hired, and around the same wage mostly. For Mobil that would be CL 21-23, depending on qualifications and experience.
They now put these guys on the same training and exposure regimen as the Nigerian guys. So where is the value add, bros?
My argument has been that the guys from abroad are not particularly better than the local guys. In fact many are even worse. So I would not hire someone out of the UK or US based purely on their CV. They have to prove that they can bring something to the table.

Sounds like you have some hidden hatred for people returning home from abroad. Did someone steal your job or you were skipped for promotion. I think there are some underlying issues to your comments which makes your arguments biased. Or could it be that you were denied a visa. You and I know you can't ever compare the level of exposure you get abroad to what you get in Nigeria. Both in the classroom and on the job. I have worked both in Nigeria and US, schooled both in Nigeria and US and I can tell you that there are numerous traits that can help move an organization forward that you never get to learn in the Nigerian environment.

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Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by proudly9ja(m): 5:41pm On May 14, 2009
AjanleKoko:

Mobil and Total hires Nigerian engineers from the UK and US, just like Total and Chevron do. Part of their Graduate Trainee program.
They hire them on basically the same levels that Nigerian staff are hired, and around the same wage mostly. For Mobil that would be CL 21-23, depending on qualifications and experience.
They now put these guys on the same training and exposure regimen as the Nigerian guys. So where is the value add, bros?
My argument has been that the guys from abroad are not particularly better than the local guys. In fact many are even worse. So I would not hire someone out of the UK or US based purely on their CV. They have to prove that they can bring something to the table.

I really don't want to go into an arguement with you on this issue. You only need to read the first page of this thread to realise all Ive been trying to say.

Lets stay focused. The guy needs advice and Ive given him mine.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by tkb417(m): 5:53pm On May 14, 2009
kindly rephrase your question cos I don't get your point at all

i wasnt making any point. I asked you a simple question based on what you posted.
I'll advise u refrain from saying what you dont know anything about!

cheers!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by debosky(m): 5:57pm On May 14, 2009
@ Ajanle

So 9.9 out of 10 they are fluff? Interesting! Is that out of an inability to perform or a realisation that they do not really need to do much to impress Nigerians? (except insightful folks like yourself of course wink)

If 9.9 (essentially all of them) were so bad, it must either be IMPOSSIBLE to work in Nigeria once you've gone abroad for a significant length of time, or only the 'fluffy' ones want to return.

AjanleKoko:

Mobil and Total hires Nigerian engineers from the UK and US, just like Total and Chevron do. Part of their Graduate Trainee program.
They hire them on basically the same levels that Nigerian staff are hired, and around the same wage mostly. For Mobil that would be CL 21-23, depending on qualifications and experience.
They now put these guys on the same training and exposure regimen as the Nigerian guys. So where is the value add, bros?

There is implicit value add there - increased confidence in the quality of basic education and competence of the individual as verified by an external body (the foreign university) that is considered reliable. Unless you are suggesting that there should be a dichotomy or discrimination in terms of job exposure or responsibility simply because a person schooled abroad, then I don't see the point of this statement of yours.

Any blanket condemnation of foreign or home-based Nigerians is reductionist and overly simplistic. I'm surprised someone like you would foster such a line of reasoning.

@ OP

There is a place for your skills - as long as you bring true experience and ability, along with a willingness to understand the Nigerian environment thoroughly. If you do those two things, you will be successful.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by kokoye(m): 6:01pm On May 14, 2009
proudly9ja:


Lets stay focused. The guy needs advice and Ive given him mine.

So how do you think your 'advice' will benefit the poster?

You've only succeeded in washing down his hardwork and effort. You also reminded him of the fact that there haters like you out there waiting to frustrate poeple like him who think of coming back home.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Nobody: 7:49pm On May 14, 2009
Happy to see that some of us are still able to see beyond the fluff some of the Naija-based posters have put up here.

My spouse just got a very good job in Nigeria and curiously did not need a foreign accent to scale through (maybe that is because most of the Interviewers had worked abroad at one time or the other themselves) - just old fashioned qualifications, work ethic and 16 accumulated years of solid work experience in Nigeria and abroad. To say 99% are fluff, etc is just baffling. 

@ Topic

One thing I can tell you for sure is that if you are ready to work hard and deliver results, the sky is the limit. Of course, having the right kind of Oga goes a long way too as plenty of senior management in some of these companies do not work for their pay and may think you are gunning for their job if you display too much  initiative. Incidentally, I have heard that the returnee Ogas are generally better- go figure. 

One thing the culture abroad teaches is a requirement to deliver results. In most cases, a$$-licking will only get you so far or nowhere in oyibo land. In Nigeria, it can take you all the way.
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by sleekdoc: 7:55pm On May 14, 2009
debosky:

@ Ajanle

So 9.9 out of 10 they are fluff? Interesting! Is that out of an inability to perform or a realisation that they do not really need to do much to impress Nigerians? (except insightful folks like yourself of course wink)

If 9.9 (essentially all of them) were so bad, it must either be IMPOSSIBLE to work in Nigeria once you've gone abroad for a significant length of time, or only the 'fluffy' ones want to return.

There is implicit value add there - increased confidence in the quality of basic education and competence of the individual as verified by an external body (the foreign university) that is considered reliable. Unless you are suggesting that there should be a dichotomy or discrimination in terms of job exposure or responsibility simply because a person schooled abroad, then I don't see the point of this statement of yours.

Any blanket condemnation of foreign or home-based Nigerians is reductionist and overly simplistic. I'm surprised someone like you would foster such a line of reasoning.

@ OP

There is a place for your skills - as long as you bring true experience and ability, along with a willingness to understand the Nigerian environment thoroughly. If you do those two things, you will be successful.

very very correct guy!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by Pittbaby(f): 8:26pm On May 14, 2009
I was going to comment but this is just another Naija educated professional VS Foreign educated professional battle of wits, as far as I am concerned each party is equally intelligent and brings something to the table


Have fun guys !!!
Re: Corporate Nigeria Vs Corporate America: Share your experiences please by proudly9ja(m): 8:27pm On May 14, 2009
tkb417:


i wasnt making any point. I asked you a simple question based on what you posted.
I'll advise u refrain from saying what you dont know anything about!

cheers!




still got me confused man. I asked you to rephrase your question and you descend to warning me of , ?? man Im totally confused on how to respond to this


kokoye:

So how do you think your 'advice' will benefit the poster?

You've only succeeded in washing down his hardwork and effort. You also reminded him of the fact that there haters like you out there waiting to frustrate poeple like him who think of coming back home.

erm, wetin I talk to frustrate the guy? And how come Im the hater here? Nawao, Im sure there must be a mistake somewhere. I accept your apology in advance

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