Bros, you need to understand something about human behaviour . Just be cause your circumstances are different doesnt mean you should not try to understand.

Money matters. Basic economics dictates that if you pay peanuts, you should expect monkeys . Most doctors are already working and shouldering responsibilities before nysc year. After my house job, i worked a year on 150k per month. It was a 9 to 5 job. I was paying school fees and giving allowances to younger ones. When nysc came, i lost a years income (about 1.8million) just because i was serving. To make matters worse , for 5months, no wages and i was working from7am to 3 midnight on several cases for 15k . Under those circumstances, you can not expect anybody to be excited about service. If you had to give up a midpaying job to earn nothing, then you would probably understand. Only corpers earning that much before service would understand the frustrations of slashed salaries.

So bros, were you working before youth service?

rhymz:
So what will corpers that are not in the medical field do or say? I served in sokoto myself, besides the federal government stipend from NYSC I didn't get a dime anywhere but I survived even though I was far away in sokoto. NYSC is a service not an employment, many of you complaining always forget that fact.....wait until you get a job then you can talk about remuneration, that's my point... You can't be serving and expecting that you must earn like a gainfully employed Doctor, them no hire you and are not in any position to negotiate salary with you except for the one they can afford to pay you. Ebonyi state government obviously does not have the finance to pay you that much and you have two options either take it as part of service or you redeploy to states that can pay you that much....

rhymz:
Which General Hospital in cross River were you in charge of, I am very curious not that I doubt you but it is very interesting to know that a corper doctor can head a whole general Hospital and be allowed to perform CS operation on pregnant women, it is either there is no standard and ethics in the way medicine is practised in Nigeria or someone is telling a terrible lie here.

Then you have no idea how bad rural Medicine is in nigeria. I didnt ask to be in charge of a general hospital. But when i got to general hospital ugep town, cross river, and found out that the only medical officer had resigned over unpaid wages for an ngo job with stable income, what would you expect me to do.?

When a pregnant woman with breech presentation in obstructed labour shows up at 3am in a village 3hours away from calabar and there's no ambulance to transport to a tertiary hospital, you have to do something. Rather than let her die, you sef go ope rate oh. Yes, i also managed all the wards and out Patient clinics during youth service. I saw almost 100patients daily and i was woken up most nights to attend to emergencies. And guess what, the state took my sweat, wages and didnt pay. For 5months, nothing. My family couldnt believe. I still cant. 15k for 5months and nothing. Someone ate it, and nothing happened. Whereas, if i had stayed back in my previous job before service, i would have had 750k for those 5months.

So, the pain you hear on this Forum is from the heart of medical workers who feel cheated because most people take advantage of the humanitarian nature of their work to deprive them of pay.

What i realise is this, most people would condemn a doctor who just wants his wages Whereas they would do far worse if they were the ones in the same shoes not getting paid.

What do u think CS is? If you are not medically inclined you will think it is a huge task.

CS and appendectomy are usually the 1st surgery a young doctor does, this is because it is not a complex surgery like thyroidectomy. Just follow the principles ( think thrice, look twice and cut once!) while making sure u secure bleeding vessels promptly.

I did close to Eleven CS as a Corper Doctor in a general hospital where I served. I called the shorts.

Let me paint a scenario : a 28 year old woman who was pregnant for the 1st time came to register for Antenatal at 8 months plus.

I did an obstetrics Scan and noticed that the baby was not well positioned. The baby's head was up and the buttocks was down as opposed the normal presentation which is head down.

I told the woman about my findings and adviced her to opt for CS since she is a Primi and that the baby is not likely to turn plus she came very late for antenatal registration.

The lady started screaming God forbid!!!. I ignored her and went to see other patients. Just three weeks after, by 2am under the rain, the nurse came knocking on my door (a fully furnished 3 bedroom flat) that there is emergency.

So when I came and saw the woman, I couldn't recognise her at first. I took a brief history where I was told that she has gone to a traditional birth attendant who unquote has the powers to turn the baby all to no avail.

She even went to a church and the 'pastor' tried to deliver the baby too but no show .

When I examined, I found out that the baby was in foetal distress with cord prolapse.


For those who are screaming that corper doctors are not experienced, this diagnosis was not made out of ignorance!

I took the woman in immediately within 15 minutes the baby was out but asphyxiated. I had a capable nurse that did an extensive resuscitation and alas! The baby boy survived.

Since the day I did that CS, I never lacked yam, fish, garri, plantain until my POP. The woman's husband supplied all.

Now, if I wasn't experienced like a lot of u claim, the best option would have been to refer the woman to a bigger hospital that night of which I am sure the baby won't make it alive because of distance, the rain, the time and the severity of the case.

I did a personal CDS in the market square where I sensitised the women abt Birth preparedness and complication readiness, teenage pregnancy and importance of ANC..in as much as I didn't get any State award (which I don't care abt) I was still fulfilled even with the little pay.

The day the baby was dedicated in Church, I was invited, in fact I became a celebrity to the envy of other corpers. I used the opportunity to educate the Church on how to embrace good health care and not trado/spiritual homes.

To crown it all, I even did appendicectomy on a fellow corper (geology graduate) free of charge. He only paid for his drugs and theater fee.. how I wish he is on NL

The government should know that Corper Doctors are not spectators because u will be amazed on what they can do.

I even had a lot of avenue to make money sef; like home service, primary school service etc.

I was the 1st corper to be sent off by a whole community in the Kings Palace. My car was filled to the brim when I was going!

rhymz:
Which General Hospital in cross River were you in charge of, I am very curious not that I doubt you but it is very interesting to know that a corper doctor can head a whole general Hospital and be allowed to perform CS operation on pregnant women, it is either there is no standard and ethics in the way medicine is practised in Nigeria or someone is telling a terrible lie here.

Dey Der let pant wear you. you claim to serve in sokoto and corpers running a general hospital is news to you. well welcome to reality. how many doctors do you think we have in the whole of Nigeria?

it's not your fault Sha. no wonder you are so shocked about the pay, you have no idea what work the corpers do.

I have a friend who manned singlehandedly a hospital servicing 2 big local governments he being the only doctor available for miles.

I did CS, appendicetomy, herniorapphies, ectopic pregnancies , ovarian cysts, removed fibroids removed bladder stones even prostatectomy as a corper unsupervised heck who is available to supervise?

these are basic things primary care doctors should be able to do in Nigeria and you are trained for such.

After doing all these sometimes at very odd hours of the night when other corpers here wailing are busy enjoying sound sleep with their babe's, you will be paid 15k ...tufiakwa. any doctor sent there had better redeploy else hunger will kill you.

Hmm mm.... I am not going to argue with you guyz over what you did or did not do as corper doctors, those are your personal stories and experiences but my point is clear enough, it is still all service and not an employment.
And to be clear, I am not shocked at the amount they pay you, may be when I was a corper I was but now, that's hardly shocking to me, however, I am actually shocked that they let you guyz do all you claim you did as corper doctors without supervision, this country is a jungle if actually you were left to cut open patients as corper doctors without any supervision from a well experienced hand, it is shocking to read this .

And yeah, I served in Sokoto, Sabon Birnin LGA, and I remember they had two clinics manned by doctors who were elderly, the corper doctors refused to go there, they rather camped themselves in Sokoto town and LGAs that were willing to pay them huge sums. So again, allow me to be alarmed at you cutting people up as a Corper doctor without supervision, that was not only reckless on the part of authorities but also risky even to you.

Anyway, it's all good and I understand why you need more money but again you have to think less of how much work you do for them and see it as part of your service to humanity, money will come if you used that opportunity to gain real experience and skills like you got from those risky stuff you guyz did as corper doctors.

Uncleodi:
What do u think CS is? If you are not medically inclined you will think it is a huge task.

CS and appendectomy are usually the 1st surgery a young doctor does, this is because it is not a complex surgery like thyroidectomy. Just follow the principles ( think thrice, look twice and cut once!) while making sure u secure bleeding vessels promptly.

I did close to Eleven CS as a Corper Doctor in a general hospital where I served. I called the shorts.

Let me paint a scenario : a 28 year old woman who was pregnant for the 1st time came to register for Antenatal at 8 months plus.

I did an obstetrics Scan and noticed that the baby was not well positioned. The baby's head was up and the buttocks was down as opposed the normal presentation which is head down.

I told the woman about my findings and adviced her to opt for CS since she is a Primi and that the baby is not likely to turn plus she came very late for antenatal registration.

The lady started screaming God forbid!!!. I ignored her and went to see other patients. Just three weeks after, by 2am under the rain, the nurse came knocking on my door (a fully furnished 3 bedroom flat) that there is emergency.

So when I came and saw the woman, I couldn't recognise her at first. I took a brief history where I was told that she has gone to a traditional birth attendant who unquote has the powers to turn the baby all to no avail.

She even went to a church and the 'pastor' tried to deliver the baby too but no show .

When I examined, I found out that the baby was in foetal distress with cord prolapse.


For those who are screaming that corper doctors are not experienced, this diagnosis was not made out of ignorance!

I took the woman in immediately within 15 minutes the baby was out but asphyxiated. I had a capable nurse that did an extensive resuscitation and alas! The baby boy survived.

Since the day I did that CS, I never lacked yam, fish, garri, plantain until my POP. The woman's husband supplied all.

Now, if I wasn't experienced like a lot of u claim, the best option would have been to refer the woman to a bigger hospital that night of which I am sure the baby won't make it alive because of distance, the rain, the time and the severity of the case.

I did a personal CDS in the market square where I sensitised the women abt Birth preparedness and complication readiness, teenage pregnancy and importance of ANC..in as much as I didn't get any State award (which I don't care abt) I was still fulfilled even with the little pay.

The day the baby was dedicated in Church, I was invited, in fact I became a celebrity to the envy of other corpers. I used the opportunity to educate the Church on how to embrace good health care and not trado/spiritual homes.

To crown it all, I even did appendicectomy on a fellow corper (geology graduate) free of charge. He only paid for his drugs and theater fee.. how I wish he is on NL

The government should know that Corper Doctors are not spectators because u will be amazed on what they can do.

I even had a lot of avenue to make money sef; like home service, primary school service etc.

I was the 1st corper to be sent off by a whole community in the Kings Palace. My car was filled to the brim when I was going!

God bless you oga! But wait, what exactly is your point regarding the topic on this thread?

Jesumed:


God bless you oga! But wait, what exactly is your point regarding the topic on this thread?

My point is that a fair renumeration should be given at least for the extra work we do.

@rhymz, like u have read, medical training is not 6 years but a little above that, during which extensive training is done and adequate exposure to Medical and Surgical cases are appreciated. During house job ( Housemanship) which lasts for 1full year, a hands on skill training is done after which u can now obtain ur permanent practising licence. So I ask u, which other supervision is needed for simple surgeries? Mind you most of the surgeries we do as coppers are emergency cases where referral is dicey. For the elective cases, the patients are referred appropriately to specialised centers.

We do not go to the streets catch people by force and cut them open. No! We understand our limits even though we try our best to keep the rural dwellers alive.

Thank u

rhymz:
Hmm mm.... I am not going to argue with you guyz over what you did or did not do as corper doctors, those are your personal stories and experiences but my point is clear enough, it is still all service and not an employment.
And to be clear, I am not shocked at the amount they pay you, may be when I was a corper I was but now, that's hardly shocking to me, however, I am actually shocked that they let you guyz do all you claim you did as corper doctors without supervision, this country is a jungle if actually you were left to cut open patients as corper doctors without any supervision from a well experienced hand, it is shocking to read this .

And yeah, I served in Sokoto, Sabon Birnin LGA, and I remember they had two clinics manned by doctors who were elderly, the corper doctors refused to go there, they rather camped themselves in Sokoto town and LGAs that were willing to pay them huge sums. So again, allow me to be alarmed at you cutting people up as a Corper doctor without supervision, that was not only reckless on the part of authorities but also risky even to you.

Anyway, it's all good and I understand why you need more money but again you have to think less of how much work you do for them and see it as part of your service to humanity, money will come if you used that opportunity to gain real experience and skills like you got from those risky stuff you guyz did as corper doctors.

It's easy to sit in your comfortable neighbourhood with probably tens of private hospitals within your reach including several secondary and tertiary health institutions easily accessible to you in case of health emergencies and call this country a jungle but for a majority of Nigerians who live in rural communities this is not so.

these are the harsh realities on ground well known to us in the medical field we are adequately trained for such . Where I did my internship you don't get signed off until you have done some basic surgeries under supervision and picked up a few skills to prepare you for rural medicine then you can go out and do them in the field with confidence.

Alarm all you want and lament on the "recklessness" of the authorities meanwhile tens of thousands of lives are being saved daily by corps medics. I wonder what you want the authorities to do that will not include better incentives for health workers to go to rural areas.But when they reduce pay for the professionals sustaining the rural system you jubilate.

in countries like US and Australia primary care health workers are being encouraged with crazy money to go work in rural and remote areas but when health workers in Nigeria strike for better pay which will encourage better spread of health professionals rather than them being clustered in big cities due to economic reasons people come on nairaland and shout blue murder they should do humanitarian work like we don't shop in the same markets or pay the same bills and taxes.

Your stressing of the word "service" doesn't mean they should work for free or for silly money. after all military Service they get paid , or maybe fire service should work for free since the word service is included in their name.

The indisputable FACT is that the average corp Health professional who is usually posted to govt institutions does more work in terms of time and workload and shoulders more responsibility than the average other Corp member (mostly in govt institutions too) wherever they are serving, Which is mostly schools anyway and as such they can NEVER be paid the same. Corpers posted to private institutions such as banks, oil companies etc in their respective fields get paid well by such institutions.

The health service is considered essential services that is why during public holidays, curfews, state of emergencies , elections etc most of you people sit your as.ses at home and watch telemundo while this group of people are exempted and are expected to move around their normal duties.

Thank God you saw a perfect example of what happened in your Sokoto where you served. The Corpers moved towards areas where there is better incentive for them . This exactly what will happen in ebonyi state ultimately they will be the losers. we can't be doing humanitarian work for useless pay. We are not Jesus Christ. Even NGO's that do so called charity work pay their workers sumptuous pay.

Hmmmm am a nurse goin for service 2016, i hv alwz love doctors but nt d ones are seeing here right now....they ar so ful of demselves making serios nasty nd humiliating comments...nd it rely sucks.

awesome11:


I'm afraid you are being sentimental. You think the medical profession is a difficult one because of the risk of getting infections. What about the engineering professionals, more often than not, any safety mistake can send him/her and many others into their untimely graves.

You think 15k is not enough for the call allowance of medical practitioners during their service corp but should be enough for the upkeep of a trained architect. And don't go into that joke of Medicine being more stressful and financially demanding! Ask students of Architecture, your perception will change..

hey.....i am not into the medicinal field to start with,having said that the question i ask is how many engineering corper are assigned very sensitive tasks as in any slightest comparable way to those corpers in the field of medicine-a serving corper doctor just died last month from an occupational harzard right in kaduna state where i serve,so pls those who are schooled in the field of medicine practice their discipline and they handle the most sensitive issues during their year of service hence their claim to whatever entitlement they deserve is right

All batch A16 posted to ebonyi.....melo stand will sells food and drinks plus u can watch all LIVE matches FREE!!!!!!!....melo stand is opposite suya stand......

RUBBISH.
This sounds kinda funny. A Medical doctor (cos there are doctors in other fields too) must earn 2million naira and a teaching Dr. Should earn 20thousand naira. Why? They say because the Medical doctor does night shifts (referred to as call) as if its not a shift, and the teacher sleeps all night. Someone was also talking about 9 years being spent for training, studying and implementing should always be a fun thing - except you've not worked your mind to that level.
Do you know what hardwork means. Have you seen a diligent teacher work better than a fucking Medical Doctor. All these salary scale is shit - Why? It a government thing
During Nigeria's early days most student's who could go for tertiary education, would readily be flown to england, where they'll be trained. Most students readily wanted to become medical doctors and Lawyers, the respect accorded university graduates was a lot. The higher population studied Law and medicine, we could find them in politics. Being the greedy things we Nigerians are, they inflated their income to keep themselves where they think they are, Have you checked the salary scale in the U.S and compare it to other profession.

Teachers do not deserve any lesser. As for me, I have a mission, and I'm going to accomplish em.

I agree with the quote that somewhat explains why maturity isn't gathered with age, but with experience. If you still envy the hopes of becoming a medical doctor just because you want a salary scale as they say, you can still do it. Nothing spoil.

My #2cent

RUBBISH.
This sounds kinda funny. A Medical doctor (cos there are doctors in other fields too) must earn 2million naira and a teaching Dr. Should earn 20thousand naira. Why? They say because the Medical doctor does night shifts (referred to as call) as if its not a shift, and the teacher sleeps all night. Someone was also talking about 9 years being spent for training, studying and implementing should always be a fun thing - except you've not worked your mind to that level.
Do you know what hardwork means. Have you seen a diligent teacher work better than a fucking Medical Doctor. All these salary scale is shit - Why? It a government thing
During Nigeria's early days most student's who could go for tertiary education, would readily be flown to england, where they'll be trained. Most students readily wanted to become medical doctors and Lawyers, the respect accorded university graduates was a lot. The higher population studied Law and medicine, we could find them in politics. Being the greedy things we Nigerians are, they inflated their income to keep themselves where they think they are, Have you checked the salary scale in the U.S and compare it to other profession.

Teachers do not deserve any lesser. As for me, I have a mission, and I'm going to accomplish em.

I agree with the quote that somewhat explains why maturity isn't gathered with age, but with experience. If you still envy the hopes of becoming a medical doctor just because you want a salary scale as they say, you can still do it. Nothing spoil.

My #2cent

may God bless medicine San Frontier. Atleast they show to us what the medical profession ought to be like, services to humanity and not all this money chasing and title hungry quacks we find here in Nigeria. if you like pay a doctor a million a day, from med school they have been made to belive they are some kind of demi gods who have control over life and death so they will always be arrogant and lack humility. I spit on such arrogance. proudly an ECONOMIST.