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Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:10am On Feb 14, 2016
malvisguy212:
1. Jesus has two natures, He is God and man. 2. Each nature is full and complete , He is fully God and fully man. 3. Each nature remains distinct. 4. Christ is only one Person. 5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ.
Jesus is a man. A man who was possessed by God.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by nasiayam: 7:20am On Feb 14, 2016
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=42905975][/quote]

Spreading of shirk, inviting people to paganism..
Minus two chum
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:35am On Feb 14, 2016
nasiayam:

Spreading of shirk, inviting people to paganism.. Minus two chum
Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As- Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them ( AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS ).” (Pickthall)
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by HIbreed(m): 9:19am On Mar 19, 2016
Jozzy4:
Malvisguy212 , in as much as I enjoyed reading the above analogy , i disagree .

- when Jesus say " God" , he is refering to His Father .

For example : john 14:1 " exercise faith in God, exercise faith also in me"

The big question is : who did he identify as God ? Himself ? Of course , not himself but his father .

Bro , nobody is good except God ( The Father)

Exercise Faith In God ( The Father) - John 14:1

thank you jozzy,. Nice analogy. Do people derive joy by twisting the word of God, i find it disheartening.Revelation 22:18 I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

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Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 9:32am On Mar 19, 2016
HIbreed:
thank you jozzy,. Nice analogy. Do people derive joy by twisting the word of God, i find it disheartening.Revelation 22:18 I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto them, God shall add unto him the plagues which are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.

and when jehovah witness change john 1:1 the word was God "to" the word was a God, this is not bible twisting right ?

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Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by HIbreed(m): 9:46am On Mar 19, 2016
Jesus affirmed clearly that the Father(God) is superior to himself. This thread is baseless as its a digression from what the bible teaches. Now can you elaborate on what apostle Paul was trying to say here. Remain blessed

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

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Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by HIbreed(m): 10:03am On Mar 19, 2016
malvisguy212:
and when jehovah witness change john 1:1 the word was God "to" the word was a God, this is not bible twisting right ?
My Boss,am not a Jw,but i do attend their meetings just like i,ve worshipped with plethoras of churches but discovered they are the false prophets depicted by Jesus. The so called men of God are too materialistic to be leading the flock of God, Among numerous waters of churches i tested,i found peace in Jw though but i do not abide in all their doctrines like beleiving they are the only ones to be saved on the last day.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by Scholar8200(m): 11:22am On Mar 19, 2016
HIbreed:
Jesus affirmed clearly that the Father(God) is superior to himself. This thread is baseless as its a digression from what the bible teaches. Now can you elaborate on what apostle Paul was trying to say here. Remain blessed

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Bro, consider this passage and answer the following question:

Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

Acts 2:22

1. As per the passage you quoted, was that so before the creation of Adam?

2. The arrangement in that verse you quoted became so because the Word became flesh, the Second Adam, for redemptive purposes. Yes or No?

3. Phil 2 shows that the Son became flesh and took upon Him the form of a Servant, could this verse not have been speaking in that term?

4. The verse I quoted, would it be right to take that verse and either:
a. Claim to have found Peter contradicting the Word; or
b. Establish that Jesus was an ordinary Man approved by God just like Elijah, No more, no less?
choose (a) or (b) or both and give reasons.

5. Why did the Father call (by the hand of Isaiah) the Son, the Mighty God? or David in Spirit called Him Lord? Or Isaiah saw the Lord (Pre-Incarnate Christ) and next Isaiah heard was,"who shall I send and who will go for Us" why not Me?

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Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 3:25pm On Mar 19, 2016
HIbreed:
My Boss,am not a Jw,but i do attend their meetings just like i,ve worshipped with plethoras of churches but discovered they are the false prophets depicted by Jesus. The so called men of God are too materialistic to be leading the flock of God, Among numerous waters of churches i tested,i found peace in Jw though but i do not abide in all their doctrines like beleiving they are the only ones to be saved on the last day.
you are not a jehovah witness but you find peace in jehovah witness. Well, who am I to judge ? God knows you more than you think.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:30am On Mar 31, 2016
malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 6:31am On May 30, 2016
malvisguy212:
Jesus christ is a man who was possessed by God Himself, that is why He say "I and the Father are ONE" why dint you quote the rest of John 14?

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t
know where you are going, so how can
we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me. 7 If you really
know me, you will know[b] my Father as
well. From now on, you do know him and
have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father
and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen
me has seen the Father. How can you
say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you
believe that I am in the Father, and that
the Father is in me? The words I say to
you I do not speak on my own authority.
Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who
is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I
say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the
evidence of the works themselves. 12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in
me will do the works I have been doing,
and they will do even greater things than
these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you ask in my
name, so that the Father may be glorified
in the Son. 14 You may ask me for
anything in my name, and I will do it
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 11:30am On Jun 26, 2016
malvisguy212:
Jesus, his human nature, call God His father on many occasions. What did Jesus mean when He say "I and the father are ONE? " further more, what did He means in this conversation with Philip;
John 14.
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know
me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority.

I want you to carefully notice the last statement "The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority" what does this indicate? Jesus did not speak on His own authority, why ? Because it was the Father(God) who dwell in Him speak. (just like A demon possessed man do not speak on his own authority)
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 6:53am On Jul 31, 2016
malvisguy212:
Surah 2:158: “Lo! (the mountains) As- Safa and Al-Marwah are among the indications of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who is on pilgrimage to the House (of Allah) or visiteth it, to go around them ( AS THE PAGAN CUSTOM IS ).” (Pickthall)
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 4:42am On Feb 05, 2017
malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 8:30am On Mar 26, 2017
malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

hellow
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 9:02am On Feb 21, 2018
malvisguy212:
1. Jesus has two natures, He is God and man. 2. Each nature is full and complete , He is fully God and fully man. 3. Each nature remains distinct. 4. Christ is only one Person. 5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ.
Jesus is a man. A man who was possessed by God.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 11:05pm On May 31, 2018
malvisguy212:
Jesus christ is a man who was possessed by God Himself, that is why He say "I and the Father are ONE" why dint you quote the rest of John 14?

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t
know where you are going, so how can
we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me. 7 If you really
know me, you will know[b] my Father as
well. From now on, you do know him and
have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father
and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen
me has seen the Father. How can you
say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you
believe that I am in the Father, and that
the Father is in me? The words I say to
you I do not speak on my own authority.
Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who
is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I
say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the
evidence of the works themselves. 12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in
me will do the works I have been doing,
and they will do even greater things than
these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you ask in my
name, so that the Father may be glorified
in the Son. 14 You may ask me for
anything in my name, and I will do it
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:46am On Mar 10, 2019
malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:13am On Jul 14, 2019
malvisguy212:
In the Gospels, a rich, young man approached Jesus and said to him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?” Jesus gave the infamous reply,“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone.” This story is
found in Matthew, Mark, and Luke; critics of Jesus’ claims to deity often use it as ammunition in their case for a non-
divine Jesus. It seems, they argue, that
Jesus is denying deity here by refusing
the title ‘GOOD’ as it is something reserved solely for God. I contend that even a surface-level reading of this narrative does not even remotely support that conclusion.
I don’t see how Jesus’ clarification of
God’s nature is equivalent to him
denying deity. This is akin to someone
coming to me and calling me, “Dr. Paul.” I respond by saying, “Why do you call me
doctor? No man can be a doctor, only he
who holds a doctorate.”

I can either mean one of two things:

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I do not hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am not a doctor.


or…

1. No one can be a doctor unless he
holds a doctorate.
2. I hold a doctorate.
3. Therefore, I am a doctor.

By asking “Why do you call me doctor?”,
am I denying my title? Of course not. I
am simply clarifying what the title
means. I am neither validating nor
rejecting the title. In any case, I don’t
have a doctorate (yet!) but the point still
stands.

You can see how such reasoning is
completely absurd, and yet this is what
we see when critics use Jesus’ words in
this passage to try to show his non deity. Having said all of that, let’s have another look at what Jesus said in this passage.

He only said two statements:

1. Why do you call me good?
2. No one is good except God

The only piece of information that Jesus
gave is this: No one is good but God.
There are 2 ways to understand his
statement:

1. Only God is good.
2. I am not good.
3. Therefore, I am not God.

or

1. Only God is good.
2. I am good.
3. Therefore, I am God.

In this specific instance, from these
words alone, Jesus does make known to
us which of these he meant. It is both
ignorant and presumptive of anyone to
use this passage, alone, to argue for
Jesus’ non-deity. Why should the first
reading be the desirable one over the
second reading? Jesus’ statement that
only God is good does not, itself, tell us
whether he was affirming or denying
being God.

But if we keep reading, we find that
Jesus sheds some light on what he
meant. Jesus answers the man’s original
question about obtaining eternal life
with this“You know the commandments:

‘You shall not murder, you shall not
commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.'”

The man responds :”Teacher, I have kept all of these since I was a boy.”

Then Jesus finishes with: “One thing you
lack. Go, sell everything you have then
come, follow me.”

To summarize: In response to the man’s
question, “What must I do to gain eternal life?”, Jesus responds by telling him to
follow the commandments. But which
commandments does Jesus list?
Notice that Jesus only lists the
commandments that dealt with civil
affairs. The Ten Commandments of
Moses were divided into 2 parts: Laws on
dealing with God and Laws on dealing
with others. Respectively, these were the
moral and civil laws. Jesus names the
civil law for the young man and the
young man responds like any good Jew
would, These I have kept since I was
young.” The man was doing great on
keeping the civil law, but not so much
with the moral law. Instead of then
quoting the first four commandments to
the young man,the commandments that
dealt with man’s relationship with God, Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating
obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! And it gives us
an answer to our initial dilemma. Did
Jesus deny or affirm his deity in asking,
“Why do you call me good?” I think the
answer is clear in light of the rest of that
conversation with the young man. Jesus
equated following himself with keeping
the moral law and obeying the
commandments that governed man’s
relationship with God. Thus, in bringing
up this passage as ammunition for a
non-divine Jesus, the critic shoots
himself in the foot by bringing to the
table a text in which Jesus clearly claims
deity.

a
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 7:36am On Aug 04, 2019
malvisguy212:
Jesus christ is a man who was possessed by God Himself, that is why He say "I and the Father are ONE" why dint you quote the rest of John 14?

5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we don’t
know where you are going, so how can
we know the way?”
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the
truth and the life. No one comes to the
Father except through me. 7 If you really
know me, you will know[b] my Father as
well. From now on, you do know him and
have seen him.”
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father
and that will be enough for us.”
9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me,
Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen
me has seen the Father. How can you
say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you
believe that I am in the Father, and that
the Father is in me? The words I say to
you I do not speak on my own authority.
Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who
is doing his work. 11 Believe me when I
say that I am in the Father and the
Father is in me; or at least believe on the
evidence of the works themselves. 12
Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in
me will do the works I have been doing,
and they will do even greater things than
these, because I am going to the Father.
13 And I will do whatever you ask in my
name, so that the Father may be glorified
in the Son. 14 You may ask me for
anything in my name, and I will do it
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by Janosky: 10:19am On Aug 04, 2019
[quote author=malvisguy212 post=80920111][/quote]


"malvisguy212 :
Jesus christ is a man who was
possessed by God Himself, that is why
He say "I and the Father are ONE"

(1) If Malvisguy212 "possessed" someone, therefore Malvis & his possessed are one, in what sense?

(2) *** Malvis,when & where did God "possessed" Jesus?

*3) Is the Father in you,Malvisguy212?
If the Father is in you,"living in Malvisguy212" (John14:9,11), what does that imply?

(4) John14:10 "Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own
authority."

In whose authority?
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by Janosky: 10:38am On Aug 04, 2019
malvisguy212:
a
"....Jesus told the young man, “Sell your possessions and follow me.” In other words, “Your god is your money. Get rid of that and follow me.” Jesus is equating obeying the moral law with following himself. The manner in which men can obtain eternal life is by getting rid of the false gods in their lives and following Jesus , replacing them with him! This claim is monumental! "
*** Malvisguy, whose message/doctrine is Jesus Christ teaching that young man?
You mean God sent himself? John7:16. 3:16,36. 12:49,50.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by malvisguy212: 9:08am On Oct 27, 2019
Janosky:

"....Jesus told the young man, “Sell your
possessions and follow me.” In other
words, “Your god is your money. Get
rid
of that and follow me.” Jesus is
equating obeying the moral law with following
himself. The manner in which men can
obtain eternal life is by getting rid of
the
false gods in their lives and following
Jesus , replacing them with him!
This claim is monumental! "

*** Malvisguy, whose message/doctrine is Jesus Christ teaching that young man?

You mean God sent himself?
John7:16. 3:16,36. 12:49,50.
shallow minded man.
Re: Why Do You Call Me Good? Analyze. by Janosky: 11:47am On Oct 27, 2019
malvisguy212:
shallow minded man.

John 12:49,50, your "God" can not think for himself.... ...

John7:16 is there in your Bible.....
John7:16, did God send himself?
Whose message did your "God" teach?
You are not a shallow man, malvisguy212 answer both questions and stop deceiving yourself.

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