ibikunleA:
This is my first and am so confused due to people the see there self's as expert in automobile. There are those that will say don't buy 406 cos the parts are expensive and always develope electrical fault. Please I need advice from those who know more. Thanks.

ibikunleA:
This is my first and am so confused due to people the see there self's as expert in automobile. There are those that will say don't buy 406 cos the parts are expensive and always develope electrical fault. Please I need advice from those who know more. Thanks.

ibikunleA:
This is my first and am so confused due to people the see there self's as expert in automobile. There are those that will say don't buy 406 cos the parts are expensive and always develope electrical fault. Please I need advice from those who know more. Thanks.

kingreign:


If you buy the peugeot, when the electrical and other ish sets in ehn, you'll cry even if you're hard hearted.

Ikenna351:


Isn't this funny. The above statement is something the people you people call Kazeem would say, yet such statement is coming from you.

You said you are automobile repairer/mechanic. Meaning, you are speaking as an Authority that you understand and know Peugeot 406 so well, meaning, you are certain of what you said about Peugeot 406. Well, let's find out.

I am going to ask you some basic questions a Peugeot mechanic, specialist in Peugeot systems or anyone that have first hand information on Peugeot 406 should know. If you could answer all of them (because they are very basic), then we would know truly if you were telling the truth or going with the crowd.

Here they come:

1. What are the factory codes of pre-facelift and facelifted Peugeot 406?

2. What's the difference between VAN-bus 406 & CAN-bus Peugeot406, electrically? What electrical components differentiate them?

3. What production years of Peugeot 406 are VAN-bus and CAN-bus?

4. What would a CAN-bus Peugeot 406 do when you open the door with key in ignition and what would VAN-bus one do?

5. What's the simplest and easiest way/method of knowing if cooling system thermostat has failed when a Peugeot 406 engine has ran for over an hour and all of a sudden the engine starts overheating?

6. What usually happens when one is trying to abuse a Peugeot 406 cooling fan by trying to bypass radiator factory fan connection and short circuited wires in the fan relay chamber?

7. How many speed level does facelifted Peugeot 406 factory radiator fan have?

8. At what coolant temperature degree celcius is Peugeot 406 fan triggered, as factory designed?

9. How many CTS does early ES engine in Peugeot 406 have and how many does the late ES engine in Peugeot 406 have too?

10. What are the functions of each of the CTS in all ES engines, using their colours to describe them?

11. What are the differences between EW engines in Peugeot 406 abd EW engines in Peugeot 407?

12. What's the function of BSM in Peugeot 406?

13. What's the difference between BSM in Peugeot 406 & BSM in Peugeot 607 pre-facelift?

14. What components on early ES engine differ from the late ES engine in Peugeot 406?

16. How can you tell a Peugeot 406 that has downstream sensor by mere looking at the VIN? Give example.

17. How can you tell a specific Peugeot engine in Peugeot 406 by mere looking at the VIN? Which of the digits of the VIN tells the engine in Peugeot 406? Give example.

18. What is the name of ignition/injection system of all ES engines in Peugeot 406?

19. What petrol engines in Peugeot 406 pre-faclift and facelift models that are interference and non-interference engines?

20. What are model names/codes of all automatic transmissions in Peugeot 406 with petrol engines, and which of them are attached to EW & ES engines?

21. What is the factory recommended tyre size and wheel size of Peugeot 406 with EW12 engine, including the tyre speed rating?

22. What's the OEM ignition coil brand name in late ES engine in Peugeot 406 and recommended equivalant brand?

23. How many front brake disc sizes and rear brake disc sizes does Peugeot 406 Sedan have, including the brake pads?

24. What is the difference between remote control key plips of Peugeot 406 with VAN-bus and one with CAN-bus?

25. What is the difference between datawire and databwire in Peugeot 406?






I still have more questions that if answered, would determine how well you know Peugeot 406 and other Lions, to authoritatively say this or that will happen to a Peugeot 406 if you buy one. But, the above questions are very basic, not even technical, for anyone that claims to be an expert enough to advice one on Peugeot cars.

You have enough time to scan the whole internet for anwsers to the above 25 questions. Howerver, I can wait. Or you give them right away if you know them.



Ikenna, The Lion King.

kingreign:


e don turn to Q&A session?
Hehehehe. Honestly i know most of the answers but not all. I am also sure YOU dont know all. However, if i ask you anything in toyota/lexus/benz you go fit answer am?

Abeg no come start to form king of peugeot for here. Truth is bitter but lets say it.
Over 30million toyota owners in USA cant be wrong. Why peugeot no fit succeed inside North America?

Even PAN kaduna no sell much peugeot compared to toyota sold in wharf and Cotonu i am sure you know why.

Toyota rocks peugeot sucks.
I said so.

Ikenna351:


Isn't this funny. The above statement is something the people you people call Kazeem would say, yet such statement is coming from you.

You said you are automobile repairer/mechanic. Meaning, you are speaking as an Authority that you understand and know Peugeot 406 so well, meaning, you are certain of what you said about Peugeot 406. Well, let's find out.

I am going to ask you some basic questions a Peugeot mechanic, specialist in Peugeot systems or anyone that have first hand information on Peugeot 406 should know. If you could answer all of them (because they are very basic), then we would know truly if you were telling the truth or going with the crowd.

Here they come:

1. What are the factory codes of pre-facelift and facelifted Peugeot 406?

2. What's the difference between VAN-bus 406 & CAN-bus Peugeot 406, electrically? What electrical components differentiate them?

3. What production years of Peugeot 406 are VAN-bus and CAN-bus?

4. What would a CAN-bus Peugeot 406 do when you open the door with key in ignition and what would VAN-bus one do?

5. What's the simplest and easiest way/method of knowing if cooling system thermostat has failed when a Peugeot 406 engine has ran for over an hour and all of a sudden the engine starts overheating?

6. What usually happens when one is trying to abuse a Peugeot 406 cooling fan by trying to bypass radiator factory fan connection and short circuited wires in the fan relay chamber?

7. How many speed level does facelifted Peugeot 406 factory radiator fan have?

8. At what coolant temperature degree celcius is Peugeot 406 fan triggered, as factory designed?

9. How many CTS does early ES engine in Peugeot 406 have and how many does the late ES engine in Peugeot 406 have too?

10. What are the functions of each of the CTS in all ES engines, using their colours to describe them?

11. What are the differences between EW engines in Peugeot 406 and EW engines in Peugeot 407?

12. What's the function of BSM in Peugeot 406?

13. What's the difference between BSM in Peugeot 406 & BSM in Peugeot 607 pre-facelift?

14. What components on early ES engine differ from the late ES engine in Peugeot 406?

16. How can you tell a Peugeot 406 that has downstream sensor by mere looking at the VIN? Give example.

17. How can you tell a specific Peugeot engine in Peugeot 406 by mere looking at the VIN? Which of the digits of the VIN tells the engine in Peugeot 406? Give example.

18. What is the name of ignition/injection system of all ES engines in Peugeot 406?

19. What petrol engines in Peugeot 406 pre-faclift and facelift models that are interference and non-interference engines?

20. What are model names/codes of all automatic transmissions in Peugeot 406 with petrol engines, and which of them are attached to EW & ES engines?

21. What is the factory recommended tyre size and wheel size of Peugeot 406 with EW12 engine, including the tyre speed rating?

22. What's the OEM ignition coil brand name in late ES engine in Peugeot 406 and recommended equivalant brand?

23. How many front brake disc sizes and rear brake disc sizes does Peugeot 406 Sedan have, including the brake pads?

24. What is the difference between remote control key plips of Peugeot 406 with VAN-bus and one with CAN-bus?

25. What is the difference between datawire and databwire in Peugeot 406?






I still have more questions that if answered, would determine how well you know Peugeot 406 and other Lions, to authoritatively say this or that will happen to a Peugeot 406 if you buy one. But, the above questions are very basic, not even technical, for anyone that claims to be an expert enough to advice one on Peugeot cars.

You have enough time to scan the whole internet for anwsers to the above 25 questions. Howerver, I can wait. Or you give them right away if you know them.



Ikenna, The Lion King.

kingreign:


e don turn to Q&A session?
Hehehehe. Honestly i know most of the answers but not all. I am also sure YOU dont know all. However, if i ask you anything in toyota/lexus/benz you go fit answer am?

Abeg no come start to form king of peugeot for here. Truth is bitter but lets say it.
Over 30million toyota owners in USA cant be wrong. Why peugeot no fit succeed inside North America?

Even PAN kaduna no sell much peugeot compared to toyota sold in wharf and Cotonu i am sure you know why.

Toyota rocks peugeot sucks.
I said so.

Ikenna351:



Answers:


1. Pre-facelift is D8 (1995-1998), while facelift is D9 (1999-2004). In few countires, D9 production continued till 2008, except in Europe.

2. Peugeot 406 with VAN-bus have more wires, while the ones with CAN-bus have less wires. The VAN-bus BSM has more fuses, while the CAN-bus BSM has less fuses.

3. Peugeot 406 produced from 1999 to 2001 have VAN-bus. While 2002 - upward have CAN-Bus. However, not all 2002 seems to have the CAN-bus, the especially the early 2002.

4. When you leave key in ignition switch in CAN-bus Peugeot 406 and open drivers door (with ignition off), the MFD will display a warning with continous beeps "KEY REMINDER", WHILE VAN-bus will give only beep sounds.

5. When driving a Peugeot 406 over an hour and suddenly MFD and instrument panel starts warning you engine is overheating, the easiest way to know if the engine cooling system thermostat is the cause is to touch the lower radiator hose. If it feels cold, then the thermostat has failed by permanently staying closed. If hot or both upper and radiator hoses felt hot, then the themostat is still intact. Howerver, in some EW10J4 engines in Peugeot 406, their coolant flow work in reverse order. In that case, the upper hose will feel cold when thermostat fails given same condition.

6. If while trying to abuse Peugeot 406 factory radiator fan connection at relay box and you bridge those tiny wires on those sockets with 12+ power supply or even the ground, it will damage the engine ECU, since engine ECU triggers the Fan directly, aside Air conditioning ECU/BSI unit that does similar work.

7. D9 have 2 speed level of the radiator fan. However, on severe high ambient temperature, the emergency speed 3 will run for awhile (rarely happens and not standard).

8. Radiator fan(s) in Peugeot 406 is triggered between 95-100 degree celsius. Standard is 97 C.

9. Early ES engine (ES9J4) in Peugeot 406 has 3 CTS, while late one, ES9J4S, has one.

10. In ES9J4, the green CTS signals to engine ECU the coolant temperature, the blue CTS controls the Coolant temperature gauge on Instrument panel, while the Maroon CTS controls the radiator fan. As for the ES9J4S, the only CTS on it, green, does all the fumctions mentioned in ES9J4.

11. EW7J4 & EW10J4 in Peugeot 406 have Mechanical Throttle Body, while the same engines in Peugeot 407 have Motorised Throttle Body (MTB). All EW engines in Peugeot 406 (EW7J4, EW10J4, EW10D & EW12J4) have mechanical PAS pump on the engines, while they have PAS pump off the engines in Peugeot 407 (electrically driven). However, Peugeot 407s also have EW7A & EW10A which Peugeot 406 don't have.

12. BSM in Peugeot 406 is the Engine compartment fuse box that powers various electrical components in engine bay, etc.

13. The BSM in Peugeot 406 with VAN-bus system and pre-facelift 607 are the same. However, some fuses of BSM in Peugeot 406 are not been used, which are used in Peugeot 607 pre-faclift.

14. The ES9J4 spark plugs are centrally controlled by ignition coil, while ES9J4S has 6 individual ignition coils. ES9J4 has IAC, while ES9J4S has none. ES9J4 has Mechanical Throttle Body, while ES9J4S has MTB, etc.

16. All D8 don't have downstream oxygen sensors (Euro III emission system). All D9 with RFR on their VINs also don't have the downstream sensors.

17. The 6th, 7th & 8th digits on Peugeot 406 VINs tells you the engine in the lion. example is RFN (EW10J4), LFY (XU7JP4), XFX (ES9J4S), etc.

18. Bosch ME7.4.6

19. All are interference engines (XU, EW & ES).

20. AL4, ZF HP20 & ZF 4HP20. AL4 are mounted on Peugeot 406 with 4-cylinder petrol engines, HP20 is attached to ES9J4, while 4HP20 is attached to ES9J4S.

21. 205/55 R16 W rating.

22. Sagem. Equivalent/alternative brand is Delphi.

23. 2 different front brake disc sizes and only one rear brake disc size. 2 different sizes of front brake pads and one rear brake pad size.

24. VAN-bus has one button, while CAN-bus has 2 buttons.

25. Datawire is for VAN-bus, while databwire is for CAN-bus.



* 24 questions (15 was omitted).


Ikenna, The Lion King.

kingreign:


lecturer thanks for the lecture.
However, this lengthy writeups doesn't nullify the fact that

26: peugeot is a failure even its flagship 607 was a total rubbish.

27: Pegueot engineers are lazy imagine an AL4 gearbox (which is basically a 4spd auto) in cars of 2009?
Hope you havent forgotten that point number 28: Aisin gearbox (aisin is a toyota company) is one of the best auto gearboxes in any peugeot till date.

aloeeverhealth:
My 2001 Peugeot 406 will take about 9k500 to fill it up. My cousins Toyota camry 2008 take just 6k to fill up the tank. I have a v6 baby boy, 6k will fill up the tank same goes for my Accord 2007 model. I don't like the 406 because it's feels too heavy while driving, and too many electrical, although it is strong. Bros, I'd advice you go for the camry. To be honest, I prefer my baby boy to the 406 talk less of the D.C or any other low range car iv driven.

Go for the camry and save yourself the stress. You get better a better fuel economy too

Ikenna351:


While you have every right to hate Peugeot cars as strong as you just displayed in this thread, I am good with that and strongly bless you for that too. Because you are helping me give out all the knowledge on Peugeot systems downloaded inside me to people who really need them. You know why? About 5 persons contacted me, after reading my posts in this threads, asking for my assistance to help them in sourcing for Peugeot cars in good conditions for purchase. In fact, 2 persons begged me and succeeded in allowing them to bring their 307s tomorrow just to renew their coolant in their Lions and reinstall thermostat, accepting to pay whatever high price I charge them. You really don't get it, do you?

I have about 2 thousand Lion owners contacts, owners from all over the world. About a thousand of them are Nigerians and about 300 of them are members of The Lion Community I founded. They contacted me, asking to be part of my Peugeot world, I didn't contact them. Even the North Americans in the lion community contacted me on the phone to be part of my creation, not the other way round. Do you really get it? Peugeot headquarters at Paris knows my existence, they have written to me and even called. likewise PAN management have met with me on several occasions. I hope you get it now, right? You said I was showing off as King of Peugeot in your earlier post, and I am now telling you with strong pride, Yes! I am the Lion King! There is nothing you can do about it? Why? Because I flow in Peugeot and Peugeot flows in me. Peugeot owners in all fields of Engineering come to me to at least tap some downloaded knowledge in me I have on Peugeot systems, even when I have no background in Science, yet I am teaching them their field. That's how good I am. So when I say any Peugeot is like this or that, you either hate me for that, hate Peugeot brand because of me or fell in love with Peugeots.

Now, let me tell you what you are doing to you, not Peugeot brand you are spewing your hatred on, but YOU yourself. You claim you have an automobile workshop in Abuja. Currently, Peugeot cars have increased more than other brands on Abuja roads and increasing on daily basis, both new and used ones. Most people that visit Nairaland Car-Talk live in Abuja. Most of them also own these Peugeot cars you are busy showing off yourself on in such a negative manner. You are busy telling them that you know nothing about Peugeot systems, the Lions they are supposed to bring to you for servicing, diagnosis or repairs when arise. You are telling them Peugeot cars are nightmares to own, meaning, whatever issue their lions are having, there is no point bringing them to you since you believe they are supposed to become that bad, meaning you have no solution or nothing good to offer them. You are busy telling them Peugeot sucks. Let me ask you, so you think someone that drives a Peugeot in Abuja, after reading your strong hatred and position on the brand here will be comfortable or have the confidence to bring his or her Lion to you? Really? This is what happens to those that seek for peoples validation or approval. You have members that are cheering you up for all you have been saying, yet you forgot what YOU are doing to YOU, your automobile business, as you continue to please them. Rather than seek for knowledge or understanding of these Lions systems to help you in your business, you are busy repelling prosperity.

Well, I love this Powerful Law of Attraction because its so perfect. You get what you are, you receive back what you give out, etc. The more you hate someone or something, the more you hate you, not that person or thing. Luckily I love how that Law is giving me what I give out. These days I don't bother to argue or try to convince anyone on anything, since what matter to me are "I know Who I am, I know my self worth and self value, I know what I love and want", and that's all that matters to me. Another thing is irrelevant.

Peugeot 406 owners who don't abuse their Lions are happy, considering number of them I personally know or have met. However, you have right to remain in your mission here.

My last post on this thread.


Ikenna, The Lion King.

abatically:


If u spend 2k to fill the tank of car A and that car travels for 500km before it runs empty, and then u spend 1k to fill the tank of car B and travels 200km before it runs empty. Which one is better?

Of course it's just an illustration. Thank size doesn't matter too much, what matters is the mpg it takes u.

aloeeverhealth:
My 2001 Peugeot 406 will take about 9k500 to fill it up. My cousins Toyota camry 2008 take just 6k to fill up the tank. I have a v6 baby boy, 6k will fill up the tank same goes for my Accord 2007 model. I don't like the 406 because it's feels too heavy while driving, and too many electrical, although it is strong. Bros, I'd advice you go for the camry. To be honest, I prefer my baby boy to the 406 talk less of the D.C or any other low range car iv driven.

Go for the camry and save yourself the stress. You get better a better fuel economy too

aloeeverhealth:

Nah. The accord and toyota both have a better mileage than the 406.
A 6k fuel on my 406 will require me to top up compared to a 6k fuel on my accord when taking the same long distance journey.

Ikenna351:




I said I would not comment on this thread anymore, but I couldn't look away on how these above posts can be very misleading to innocent ones that are not aware these things.

If all Peugeot 406 produced by Peugeot in all their plants all over the world had 70 litre fuel tank, from 1995 the production started till the last one produced, how come your own Peugeot 406 has 100 litre fuel tank which you claimed? Because if you are saying it takes about N9,500 to fill up your Fox fuel tank, it means the fuel tank must be about 100 litres size tank?

You claimed your Fox consumes fuel heavily, did you bother to tell the current state of your fox? Did you abuse the lion by removing the cooling system thermostat? Did you abuse the lion by bypassing the factory radiator fan connection by connecting it to spin constantly with ignition on or engine running? Is there any ignition, injection or emission system component(s) that has failed that you ignored to replace as long as the car still moves? Is your fox still running on factory recommended tyre sizes or wheels? So to you, the Peugeot 406 must run and consume as factory designed no matter how much you abuse him?

My Peugeot 406 V6 takes about 20 litres of fuel from Abuja to Kaduna which is about 220 kilometres. The same Lion covers 500 kilometres from Abuja to Enugu on about 45 litres. With AC constantly on. How come yours, probably a 4-cylinder, consume that much? What is wrong with the picture?

You also said you don't like Peugeot 406 because its heavier on the road, meaning you prefer other cars you have because they are lighter on the road, probably when on high speed. Funny enough, anyone into cars will tell you the car heavier on the road, especially on high-speed is preferable. Really, what is wrong with the picture?

Someone called me this morning from Nairaland, to inquire about Peugeot 607, after he read what I posted on this thread and other threads and I told him something which I repeat here. For those who are Christians, you are taught that Satan or Devil uses what its called "Fear" to intimidate you or discourage you from being happy or going for a good life you desire. Every subject has two subjects, negative and positive subjects. Its left for you to choose which of the two subjects of the subject to pay attention to. Because that Satan or Devil you believe that exist uses Fear to get to you, if you give him/it that attention.

But this is what I believe in. The Universe delivers to you what you really want, focus or pay attention to. If you focus on positive side/subject of your desire, it will deliver it to you in that positive manner through people, events or circumstances. However, Universe is going to test you most times, to know how strong you really want that want/subject you desire, which the world called "Temptation", by using People, events or circumstances to test you, which is what is going on in this thread. Yes, so when people are trying, using all kind of negative subjects or what they call "facts" to discourage you from that desire/subject you want, know where its coming from or what is going on. You have a choice to give them attention by losing your faith in the belief of yourself or you overcome that force which some call overcoming Satan Temptation.

The guy spent about 30 minutes on the phone, asking questions on how he could own and enjoy a Peugeot 607. At the end, before the call dropped, he said "So its really that easy and problem-free to own and enjoy Peugeot 607 and he didn't know". Awareness! That's all it is. But you only become aware when you choose that positive subject of the Peugeot 607 subject, that then the awareness will come to you. Positivity and negativity don't go together. You have to choose one and the other fades away.

People that are enjoying their Peugeot 406 are doing so because they are paying attention to one subject of the subject that serves them: How to enjoy owning Peugeot 406. While those not enjoying theirs are busy seeking for the negative subjects from source their vibrations matched with in same frequency. There are all sorts of information on Peugeot cars online. The side you choose to pay attention to will continue to be your reality, because that's the law you cannot change. You will always get what you are, what you give out or what you seek. Because that's your wish, your prayer and your faith.


Ikenna, The Lion King.

aloeeverhealth:
My 2001 Peugeot 406 will take about 9k500 to fill it up. My cousins Toyota camry 2008 take just 6k to fill up the tank. I have a v6 baby boy, 6k will fill up the tank same goes for my Accord 2007 model.

Go for the camry and save yourself the stress. You get better a better fuel economy too

DGD1:
OP,
Going by all that have been said, my candid advice for you.
buy your self dat camry, to save yourself unnecessary wahala, it is obvious u don't have good mechanics around you.
ikenna, Gazzuzz et al recommending you a Peugeot are mechanics.
if you think you can access good Peugeot mechanics then go for the Peugeot.
kingreign was just blunt about it.
congratulations in advance on which ever you choose

GAZZUZZ:


Read my comments.