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Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 10:40pm On Dec 25, 2015
All ancient spiritualities have no founder. They came naturally to the people. This is true also for the traditional spiritual practice of the Yoruba. Obatala is regarded as the 'Eni otun Eledua'. The right hand man of God or Olodumare.

For centuries, renegade Abrahamic religionists have consistently dismissed all ancient traditional spiritual practices as paganistic with seemingly derogatory titles like animism, idolatory, polytheism, pantheism, deism and many other appellations. They trash these natural practices, desecrate them, insult them while urging people to join their camp of baseless and divisive innovations, propped up by terrorism, threats of hell for unbelievers and promise of paradise for the sheep. The major undoing they have is their bounded beliefs and know it all attitude. You have to abide strictly to some mundane, sometimes idiotic rules to qualify for paradise, failing which the God who is actually a demonic deity will burn you in hell forever. Naturally, there will be disagreements on the body of crucial rules that qualifies people for paradise, since the rules are not based on any kind of common sense but on voices their leaders hear in their heads. So, the two Abrahamic religions of Christianity and Islam were designed by demons, so that the adherents will remain in a permanent state of confusion of doctrines often leading to war, strife, enmity and pointless killings. This is the trap, the plan. Both Christianity and Islam claim to be monotheistic religions. Islamic monotheism is a loner monotheism with a sole God, working alone, no friends, associates, family, wife, children, subordinates and etc. No need for language. A one God and Mohammed is his prophet, the God incarnate, through whom alone God speaks and without whom God can not pass any message across to humanity, whose dictates must be obeyed by all as he is God incarnate otherwise known as last prophet. He banned divination as would be expected. The Christian monotheism is a trinitarian monotheism, consisting of the God, his son and the Holy Spirit wedged together as one but also with the son sitting at the right side of the father or himself after sending the holy spirit to the world. Only the trinity should be worshipped, no bowing down to idols and you must accept the son as your Lord and saviour to be saved. If you wrong someone, the son will forgive you that wrong, all your sins are wiped off immediately you plead the blood of Jesus. If you don't believe and accept all these, you will be burnt in hell forever by the God. Christianity just like Islam, frowns at divination. It is just what one would expect from demons trying to subvert humanity under them. It must be noted that divination was widely accepted in Judaism, the parent religion of both Christianity and Islam. It was used to divide Canaan land, to fish out Achan after he committed an abomination and to pick the replacement for Judas among the disciples of Jesus Christ but it is now banned in Christianity and Islam in a clear bid to impede access to God by humans. A bid sponsored by demons.

In Yoruba monotheism just like in the Yoruba culture, bowing down, gesticulating and worshipping others is not only important, it is obligatory. Males lie down on the ground to greet while females bend their knees fully. Greeting and respect for others is a very crucial component of the Yoruba culture, for a harmonious relationship with others. Christians and Muslims want to force us to look at our culture from their perspective, so they say our Orisas, Eeguns and etc are gods because we bow down and worship them, offering sacrifice, but what then is Olodumare who is never offered sacrifice despite being the owner of the Ashe or the creative force being used by all? Whose name ends all prayers? We must not allow people who are challenged with getting their acts together, who fight and kill themselves distort our reality. There is only one God, not several, in the Yoruba culture, and that God is gentleman God, not a jealous God, which makes the spiritual practice monotheistic, it does not mean polytheism is wrong either, but the Yoruba culture is monotheistic in the strictest sense of it. Olodumare, the Olu of Ogotun reigns in his realm at the headship of 400 irunmales, totalling 401 irunmales. Olodumare is the owner of all Ashe. Most West African cultures are similarly modelled.

The Yoruba invoke, manipulate, worship and try to influence all the deities including orisas and Eeguns for either good or evil using the Ashe of Olodumare. Infact, the normal condition was that deities would outnumber humans in any Yoruba city as all sorts of personal, family, lineage, national deities are proliferated by people but no one attempts to influence Olodumare.

An Ifa priest prays to Olodumare for clarity before making a divination with the understanding that Olodumare supports truth and honesty. Also, Olodumare wants everybody to be a diviner, at least to a reasonable extent. If you are not a diviner, you are like an internet modem without an internet subscription. The highest calling is to be a knowledgeable diviner with a vast knowledge of Ifa, with the assurrance that nothing is impossible for Olodumare. Ifa can solve any problem a human being may encounter. A group of Babalawos or Ifa diviners who are equivalents of Professors can come together to create a charm to do anything the mind can conceive, to solve any problem then package it to prescribe and sell to people to solve those problems. They will not call it miracle, to them it is the condensation of the power of Olodumare by the Awo through imule or covenant. In the modern world, there should be millions of Babalawos working together to solve various problems, sharing knowledge and etc. This is what Christianity and Islam are trying to stop from becoming a reality with their strange monotheism.

The Yoruba monotheism in short is an ancient form of monotheism that encourages deifying everything without exception and without restrictions. It encourages everybody to become diviners. What is a miracle to Muslims and Christians, the Awos achieve by harnessing the power of Olodumare. The Awo is against prideful egotistic claims as well as against mere humans claiming a special pedestal for themselves as God or last prophet. An Awo that does that because they have some esoteric knowledge becomes a traitor, an odale, and will be expelled from his unit. Despite understanding the mysteries, Awos do not talk down on people or reel prophecies off their heads like modern Pastors.

May Olodumare assist us to return to the true path. Ase.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by sonmvayina(m): 10:51pm On Dec 25, 2015
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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 9:54pm On Dec 26, 2015
sonmvayina:
Can i borrow your brain for one week?...i love you already.
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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:58pm On Dec 26, 2015
How is a spiritual system that recognise 401 Irunmoles a monotheistic religion?

How do you translate the word Orisha? Is Orisha a god to you? We have billions of Orisha (god) out there and you still call Ifa a monotheistic religion?

Ifa is polythiestic. It is a divination system created by Orunmila. Orunmila is an Orisha (God of wisdom). He is the Omniscient part of Eledumare. Eledumare does not even interfare in the affair of things among we humans. He set everything in motion and doesnt look forward for our prayers or sacrifce. So we can call Orisha religion system Deism.

It doesnt matter what the western world tag us. Been polytheistic or deistic is not a bad attribution. Eledumare is Olorun and as well one of 400 Irunmole. In Yoruba religion belief, we have 401 Irunmole. That is polytheistic considering the number of Imole (Divine ones) are more than one.

All Onifa worship all the Orishas esp Eshu, Ogun, Yemoja, Sango, Obatala and Appeal through scarifices to Eleye. This is polythism and far different from monotheism.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 11:45pm On Dec 26, 2015
FOLYKAZE:
How is a spiritual system that recognise 401 Irunmoles a monotheistic religion?

How do you translate the word Orisha? Is Orisha a god to you? We have billions of Orisha (god) out there and you still call Ifa a monotheistic religion?

Ifa is polythiestic. It is a divination system created by Orunmila. Orunmila is an Orisha (God of wisdom). He is the Omniscient part of Eledumare. Eledumare does not even interfare in the affair of things among we humans. He set everything in motion and doesnt look forward for our prayers or sacrifce. So we can call Orisha religion system Deism.

It doesnt matter what the western world tag us. Been polytheistic or deistic is not a bad attribution. Eledumare is Olorun and as well one of 400 Irunmole. In Yoruba religion belief, we have 401 Irunmole. That is polytheistic considering the number of Imole (Divine ones) are more than one.

All Onifa worship all the Orishas esp Eshu, Ogun, Yemoja, Sango, Obatala and Appeal through scarifices to Eleye. This is polythism and far different from monotheism.

What is your definition of monotheism? The Yoruba know only one God who heads a council of 401 irunmales. The Muslims know Allah who made jinns and has Angel Gabriel and etc. The Christians have the trinity, twenty four elders and etc. If you see those as monotheism then why do you say the Yoruba practice is not monotheism. No two God other than Olodumare the owner of all Ashe. I want to know your criteria though I am not saying deism, polytheism or anything is bad.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 11:50pm On Dec 26, 2015
The most important deity the Yoruba ask you to worship is your head, your ori, yourself. Does that make the practice atheistic?, it is after paying due attention to that that you may now worship any other thing and they are infinite under Olodumare, not 401 as people say. 401 are the irunmale in council, they are not deities.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by cocoboom: 4:08am On Dec 27, 2015
love this!!! Please keep the knowledge coming!!!
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 10:35am On Dec 27, 2015
lawani:


What is your definition of monotheism? The Yoruba know only one God who heads a council of 401 irunmales. The Muslims know Allah who made jinns and has Angel Gabriel and etc. The Christians have the trinity, twenty four elders and etc. If you see those as monotheism then why do you say the Yoruba practice is not monotheism. No two God other than Olodumare the owner of all Ashe. I want to know your criteria though I am not saying deism, polytheism or anything is bad.

Monotheism is the belief in a single all-powerful god, as opposed to religions that believe in multiple gods.

Orisha religion system does not recognise a single all-powerful god but 401 Irunmales who govern the earth and the ancestors realm. Eledumare is one and part of the Irunmoles. Despite the fact the he owns all the Ashe (Energy), his subordinates in 400 Irunmoles are also Gods that are been worshipped in Yoruba religion system.

Ogun lakaye Osinmole is the chief of Irunmoles. Ogun is the deity of strength, war and Iron/metalic elements. Lakaye means the one whose influcence spread around the world (both physical and spiritual realm) while Osinmole from collison of Osin awon Imole meaning the one Imole worship and sees as head.

Allah could made jinns, Jehovah could form trinity and elders numbering 24 in the councils of heaven where queens of heaven, gods (Psalm 82:1) and sons of God congregate but the fact you failed to see is that no muslim worship Jinn and also no christian worship any of the elders, angels or queen of heaven. No one pray to the angels or gods. No one bow in prayer for Jinns. The muslim world admits there is no other god except Allah just like christians no other God is worthy of worship except Jehovah. Allah and Jehovah are single all powerful God to muslim and christian respectively. This makes Islam and Christianity a monotheistic religion.

Yoruba religion system is different entirely in the cases of Abrahamic religion (Christianity and Islam). The 400 Irunmoles and Orishas are been worshipped. Ones Ori is a deity which have a dedicated shrine/altar, prayed to and scarifices made to appeals to it. Egungun (dead living ancestors) are been worshipped in a dedicated shrine among families. This does not end with worshipping but a belief that these deity are closer to one and are powerful. The case of a single all-powerful God is ruled out here. This is polytheism.

On the other round, Eledumare is not been worship in Yoruba religion system. Eledumare does not have a dedicated shrine, ordain a special prayer or ask anyone for sacrifice. He does not seek for our faith. He only set everything in motion and interfare not in the system of things. This is classical deism.

Yoruba religion system could have been tagged Henotheism but there is no record that Eledumare been worshipped directly.

Now you need to understand what polytheism really is. Polytheism is the worship of or belief in multiple deities/gods usually assembled into a pantheon of gods and goddesses, along with their own rituals. In most aspect, the gods and goddesses are representations of forces of nature or ancestral principle, and can be viewed either as autonomous or emanating part of a creator God.

All the Orishas are representation of forces of the nature and are been worshipped as part and constellation of Eleduamre. This is polytheism not only in the number of God but belief in the existence of a specific pantheon of distinct deities called Orisha or Imole.

Yoruba religion system is far from been monotheism

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:10am On Dec 27, 2015
lawani:
The most important deity the Yoruba ask you to worship is your head, your ori, yourself. Does that make the practice atheistic?, it is after paying due attention to that that you may now worship any other thing and they are infinite under Olodumare, not 401 as people say. 401 are the irunmale in council, they are not deities.

Yoruba religion system is a home abode for every form of theism including atheism. The only form that breaks away or fail to fall into Yoruba religion system is monotheism because many other Gods are present.

One Ori is a deity. This deity is personal to oneself and does not need other people to gather and worship on your behalf. Orisha are been worshipped unlike Ori by more than one person. Orisha is worshipped among family, society, group and village. This cannot be the case of Ori.

However, the fact you should note here is that there is more than one deity pesent in Yoruba religion system. Deities here are infinite. This is mega-polytheism just like hinduism.

Every individual are knoted to Ori and at least one Orisha. The fact that most people dont worship their orisha doesnt mean they should ne written off.

Irunmole is a Deity. Irunmole mean Irun-Imole. Irun is irinwo which is 400 while Imale are primodial spirits. They are what you call Orisha today. The english word for Orisha is god/deity. This shows that there are more than one god been worship which makes Yoruba religion system a polytheism

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 2:37pm On Dec 27, 2015
Every prayer is ended by Olodumare's Ase. Nobody contends power with Olodumare. We are all reflections of imoles who are uncountable. The 401 irunmale rules everything. The number of deities is infinite. Eegun and orisas are deities. Oke, ile, osan, oru, ojo are all deities. I do not know the 401 and neither do I think anyone knows all. If you say Ogun is there. You are free to do so, then osin means first in ancient Yoruba like Osinbajo, Osinyemi and etc osin imole means the first imole. Do appreciate that deities are not 401 but infinite. The 401 is a council. You can't deny the recognition of only one God which is Olodumare who is not a jealous God and who does not want worship and who is not in competition with anyone. That is monotheism.

A monotheism of a totally objective and non jealous God. A perfect God who passes the buck. That is Ifa monotheism unlike the Muslim Allah who with his Prophet does everything without help and who demands worship. The Christian God also apparently has a council of 24 elders despite being in a trinity. So Ifa monotheism is a monotheism. You may also call it anything you want but for recognising only one God a gentleman, it remains monotheism as well. A ruler does not have to become dictatorial or irrational to be recognised as head.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 5:35pm On Dec 27, 2015
lawani:
Every prayer is ended by Olodumare's Ase. Nobody contends power with Olodumare. We are all reflections of imoles who are uncountable. The 401 irunmale rules everything. The number of deities is infinite. Eegun and orisas are deities. Oke, ile, osan, oru, ojo are all deities. I do not know the 401 and neither do I think anyone knows all. If you say Ogun is there. You are free to do so, then osin means first in ancient Yoruba like Osinbajo, Osinyemi and etc osin imole means the first imole. Do appreciate that deities are not 401 but infinite. The 401 is a council. You can't deny the recognition of only one God which is Olodumare who is not a jealous God and who does not want worship and who is not in competition with anyone. That is monotheism.

A monotheism of a totally objective and non jealous God. A perfect God who passes the buck. That is Ifa monotheism unlike the Muslim Allah who with his Prophet does everything without help and who demands worship. The Christian God also apparently has a council of 24 elders despite being in a trinity. So Ifa monotheism is a monotheism. You may also call it anything you want but for recognising only one God a gentleman, it remains monotheism as well. A ruler does not have to become dictatorial or irrational to be recognised as head.

Prayers and sacrifices are made to Orishas according to their kind. Obatala accept snail and white chalk. Ogun accept dog, blood and cola with cold water. Eleye accepts kidney and fresh meat. What is the sacrifice which Eledumare accept?

Every Ebo are made through Eshu. Ifa says Eshu ni gba ebo be ni ko mo IFA da. Eshu takes 5% of every Ebo and gives the rest to Orisha or eleye that owns it. There is no particular one sets for Eledumare. So tell us how every prayers and sacrifice ends with Eledumare when he does not partake in receiving any Ebo from anybody.

God is not just one in Yoruba religion. The Irunmole which Eledumare is one and part of are first and primodial forces. These Irunmoles are Gods. A 401 Gods is not monotheism because they are more than one. 401 Gods equals polytheism.

Apart from the Irunmoles, there are Egungun, Oro, Ebora, Ori and other divinites in their infinite numbers. Every natural entities have it Ori. They are just there in their countless number and are all Gods. I really dont understand how infinite number of Gods made up to what you call monotheism.

Also, Deity and God is very much the samething. There is no clear cut difference. Eledumare is Olorun and Olorun is not Orisha. We only have One Olorun and 200 Orisha. However, we need to note that Olorun is one of the Irunmole. The Irunmoles are Gods which is polytheism.

The 401 are the primodial forces. Eledumare is one of them. And they are all deity/god because some form of worship are attributed to them. This makes the case of Irunmole differ from Jehovah or Allah. ELEDUMARE care less about worship and do not ask for one unlike Jehovah/Allah. Eledumare do not accept sacrifice or have any form of sacrifice set for him unlike Jehovah/Allah. The other Irunmole, to the Ebora, to Ori are been worshipped unlike 24 elders and queen of heavens and jinns.

In monotheism, a god is belief and worshipped only. Orisha system encourage belief in many numbers of Gods and worshipping of them. Onifa or any babalawo has Ojubo Eshu, Ogun, Olokun and lot others in his "office". This is a symbol of polythesim and nothing more

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 6:20pm On Dec 27, 2015
Unless you have an answer to the simple question 'What is Olodumare?' Olodumare is God, a non jealous God that does not accept sacrifice, that is not a deity. Or what do you think Olodumare is? Is Olodumare equal to Eeguns, orisas and etc?. There is a problem of English language here. Orisa is not God or god but a deity. Dont confuse yourself. Olodumare is not a deity. The number of deities are infinite whereas Olodumare is one making the practice monotheistic. No need for you to view things from others' perspective. May Olodumare guide you. Ashe.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 6:40pm On Dec 27, 2015
lawani:
Unless you have an answer to the simple question 'What is Olodumare?' Olodumare is God, a non jealous God that does not accept sacrifice, that is not a deity. Or what do you think Olodumare is? Is Olodumare equal to Eeguns, orisas and etc. There is a problem of English language here. Orisa is not God or god but a deity. Dont confuse yourself. Olodumare is not a deity. The number of deities are infinite whereas Olodumare is one making the practice monotheistic. No need for you to view things from others' perspective. May Olodumare guide you. Ashe.

Olodumare is God just like the other Irunmoles are God.

Olodumare is one of the Irunmoles. 401 is more than one hence Orisha system is polytheism.

Everyone is supreme in their own domain. Eledumare is the supreme of ALL just like Brahman.

Ori is the supreme in ones life.

Egungun is supreme to Ori.

Orisha is supreme to Egungun.

Eledumare is supreme to ALL.


Ori, egungun and orisha are Gods. Stop mistaken deity as a separate thing from god. They are same thing.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by orisa37: 7:53pm On Dec 27, 2015
Please publish this in The Tribune and The Gaurdian Newspapers for us to read

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 8:53pm On Dec 27, 2015
orisa37:
Please publish this in The Tribune and The Gaurdian Newspapers for us to read
Thanks.
I use my facebook and this nairaland account to reach the public as it is not easy to get published in the papers like that. There is competition for space. Many years ago, over ten years ago I contacted them with some articles but no response.
You can share any of my articles. Your assistance means I will reach more people. Little by little like that the message will be spread.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 9:13pm On Dec 27, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Olodumare is God just like the other Irunmoles are God.

Olodumare is one of the Irunmoles. 401 is more than one hence Orisha system is polytheism.

Everyone is supreme in their own domain. Eledumare is the supreme of ALL just like Brahman.

Ori is the supreme in ones life.

Egungun is supreme to Ori.

Orisha is supreme to Egungun.

Eledumare is supreme to ALL.


Ori, egungun and orisha are Gods. Stop mistaken deity as a separate thing from god. They are same thing.

I understand you. God is everywhere. God is everything. All those are true but if you say Orisa, Eegun and etc are God, then Olodumare is something higher than God. Olodumare is the Supreme being who does nothing himself (Iba o!). We should reject the classification of our orisas, eegun and etc as Gods because we know only Olodumare as God. It is the Christians and Muslims that trivialized our God concept in Yoruba land. Our ancestors never saw Olodumare, Eegun and orisa as thesame things.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by mumumugu(m): 12:03am On Dec 28, 2015
Fear fear make yoruba most religious
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by macof(m): 1:00am On Dec 28, 2015
lawani:


I understand you. God is everywhere. God is everything. All those are true but if you say Orisa, Eegun and etc are God, then Olodumare is something higher than God. Olodumare is the Supreme being who does nothing himself (Iba o!). We should reject the classification of our orisas, eegun and etc as Gods because we know only Olodumare as God. It is the Christians and Muslims that trivialized our God concept in Yoruba land. Our ancestors never saw Olodumare, Eegun and orisa as thesame things.

sorry but what is the yoruba word for "God"
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by Kronos12(m): 1:02am On Dec 28, 2015
Oh I love the Bible 1cor4:4 if our gospel be hidden, it is hidden from them in whom the God of this world has blinded their eyes from seeing the latter glory
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 5:47am On Dec 28, 2015
macof:


sorry but what is the yoruba word for "God"





The God for Yoruba is Olodumare.That is the name.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 5:51am On Dec 28, 2015
mumumugu:
Fear fear make yoruba most religious
I don't think any other group have as many prominent citizens in Nigeria who are not Christians or Muslims as the Yoruba. You are right that fear makes people stay in Christianity and Islam but Igbos and Hausas are more guilty of this than Yoruba.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by orisa37: 7:35am On Dec 28, 2015
Thanks. I just know that Nairaland is even the best place for you and I to get talking. Olodumare(Yoruba) is God(English), YHWH(Hebrew), Yaweh(Greek), Jehovah etc. Who is Jesus Christ in Ifa Religion? Who does Oduduwa, Obatala, Oranmiyan represent in Christianity? What is "ODU"? Does it mean "IWA"(Character) as Christ means in the Christian Bible? Please let's agree on these before we proceed on this journey of Faith.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 9:20am On Dec 28, 2015
orisa37:
Thanks. I just know that Nairaland is even the best place for you and I to get talking. Olodumare(Yoruba) is God(English), YHWH(Hebrew), Yaweh(Greek), Jehovah etc. Who is Jesus Christ in Ifa Religion? Who does Oduduwa, Obatala, Oranmiyan represent in Christianity? What is "ODU"? Does it mean "IWA"(Character) as Christ means in the Christian Bible? Please let's agree on these before we proceed on this journey of Faith.

Jesus came from a nation of people called Jews with a theology that forbids them from bowing down to idols. This is anathema to Yoruba culture because we bow down to worship everything created by Olodumare. The Jesus was a heretic who looked down on others and called himself God, father and creator of all and those who don't believe will perish. Such an egotistic claim is anathema to all human cultures including that of the Jews, so he was warned, but he did not desist, he was then charged, prosecuted and executed. He is of no relevance to any culture but all kinds of stories have been incorporated into the Ifa corpus including telephone stories, Muslim stories and etc according to the scholars. So he may have been mentioned.

Oduduwa, Obatala, Orunmila were not heretics. So they do not represent anybody in Christianity.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by macof(m): 10:07am On Dec 28, 2015
lawani:
The God for Yoruba is Olodumare.That is the name.

Yes but I asked what is the word for "God" ? not name of God

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by orisa37: 11:07am On Dec 28, 2015
Please cool down. In your first text, you said that we humans did not seek the Spirits. The Spirits found us. What about "Orisas"? Humans found them.
Jesus came to tell us who He was and how relevant He was in all our(human race) actions, interactions and movements. Humans saw Him, received His message, practicalised it and received excellent results that were worthy of acceptance and belief. What did He do wrong that was contrary to the fundamental tenets of Christianity?
We agree that God = Olodumare, Olorun. We also agree that Christ =Iwa or Odu in Oduduwa, Obatala, Orunmila, one Spirit bearing three names that always sits at the right hand of Olorun Olodumare. So let's stop calling Jesus names. Let's start comparing and contrasting Ifa and Christianity and both ready for our developing and intelligent upcoming generation.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 10:04pm On Dec 28, 2015
Christianity was planned for the world by demons. How else do you explain the forgiveness of future sins? How do you explain salvation by grace or sheer luck instead of good character? How do you explain loving your enemies including those aiming to use you for human rituals. How do you explain a mere human calling himself God and above others? Those are the kind of people who use fellow humans for rituals since they see themselves as above.

I am hard pressed to find a Christian doctrine that is not demonic, specially designed to derail humanity. Please there is no basis for comparing Christianity with the traditionally spiritualities inaugurated by God my brother. It is an exercise in futility. One is from demons and the other from God.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by PastorAIO: 10:51pm On Dec 28, 2015
FOLYKAZE:


Olodumare is God just like the other Irunmoles are God.

Olodumare is one of the Irunmoles. 401 is more than one hence Orisha system is polytheism.

Everyone is supreme in their own domain. Eledumare is the supreme of ALL just like Brahman.

Ori is the supreme in ones life.

Egungun is supreme to Ori.

Orisha is supreme to Egungun.

Eledumare is supreme to ALL.


Ori, egungun and orisha are Gods. Stop mistaken deity as a separate thing from god. They are same thing.

Meeeennnhh! You dey fall my hand for here o! Olodumare nor dey the same level with Oosa. Lai Lai.

Egungun can never be supreme to Ori, neither can Orisha. You should check out Eji Ogbe. Ori da mi re. Ori puts every thing and every orisha in it's place. They all challenged Ori and Ori threw them down.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by DavidOluyale(m): 11:54pm On Dec 28, 2015
lawani:
Christianity was planned for the world by demons. How else do you explain the forgiveness of future sins? How do you explain salvation by grace or sheer luck instead of good character? How do you explain loving your enemies including those aiming to use you for human rituals. How do you explain a mere human calling himself God and above others? Those are the kind of people who use fellow humans for rituals since they see themselves as above.

I am hard pressed to find a Christian doctrine that is not demonic, specially designed to derail humanity. Please there is no basis for comparing Christianity with the traditionally spiritualities inaugurated by God my brother. It is an exercise in futility. One is from demons and the other from God.


Your view. It's blinded thou. All those things you worshiping are nothing. Turn to the truth God.

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Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 3:22am On Dec 29, 2015
macof:


Yes but I asked what is the word for "God" ? not name of God

The word for God is Olodumare. In Igbo it is Chukwuabiama, Benin Osanobua, Hausa Ubangiji all are thesame person
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by lawani: 3:27am On Dec 29, 2015
DavidOluyale:



Your view. It's blinded thou. All those things you worshiping are nothing. Turn to the truth God.

That was the normal thing before Christianity and Islam were introduced by demons. We all know that the problem of Abrahamic religions stems from a jealous God. Doesn't it? What you should know is that's not God but a demon. The real God is not a jealous God. Why do you think you are too big to deify, worship and respect everything under Olodumare? I tell you it is demon possession. The only way to spiritual peace is to worship everything. May Olodumare enlighten you more to free you from bondage. Ase.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by sobmos(m): 7:29am On Dec 29, 2015
This is the god of our forefathers. The god we know. Sadly the imported god believers,said ifa and all other gods are evil.
Re: Traditional Monotheism-The Yoruba example by FOLYKAZE(m): 11:12am On Dec 29, 2015
PastorAIO:


Meeeennnhh! You dey fall my hand for here o! Olodumare nor dey the same level with Oosa. Lai Lai.

Egungun can never be supreme to Ori, neither can Orisha. You should check out Eji Ogbe. Ori da mi re. Ori puts every thing and every orisha in it's place. They all challenged Ori and Ori threw them down.


You missed my points.

I didnt say anywhere that Eledumare is in the same level with Irunmole. What I said is Irunmoles too are Gods. Just like the Egungun and Ori are Gods. This makes Orisha system a polytheistic religion as against monotheistic which lawani is claiming.

I even claimed Eledumare is supreme to all. However, my hierachy is base on and the steps it take before it reaches Eledumare. One praises Ori, Ori praises Egungun. Egungun praises Orisha while Orishas praises Eledumare.

In the morning, Babalawo will praise Ori, ori will praise Ifa, Ifa will praise Eledumare.

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