SeanT21:

Did White Slave owners force Christianity on their slaves??

Horus:



Yes christianity was forced on us. Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

Horus:



Yes christianity was forced on us. Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

Horus:



Yes christianity was forced on us. Since the slave-master is an enemy of the slave, if the slave prays to the same God as the master, he is praying to the God that enabled the slavemaster to enslave him. Therefore, that God is the enemy of the slave or captive just as the slave-master is.

davidylan:

you got proof? or you're just going off tangent as usual?

toneyb:

It has a lot to do with our ability of not being able to think for ourselves. Black people hardly ever think for themselves(That is why we are never inventors only followers), We are NEVER encouraged to ask questions or challange constituted authorities(follow and never ask questions). We are raised to swallow everything and take it as it is being presented to us without asking why it is so or how it came about. I am mixed race, my mum is white but my dad was a yoruba man. When I first got to Australia I was very supprised at the way the white people here bring up their kids and always encourage them to think for themselves and have a mind of their own in almost every aspect of life including religion.

That is completely absent in Africa. You just have to take what is thrown at you without questioning it. And one other thing is that we are too fearful. Fear is what drives the black man in almost everything that he does, that is why we so much believe in things that have no meaning and do not contribute in any way to our societies, things like witches, demons, wizards. (These things mostly exists only in Africa much more than other places)

If you read the bible and see things that do not make sense to you like the Noah's flood where it says that the water rose 15 cubits at its highest and ask your sunday school teacher in a place like Nigeria to explain to you why the bible says the water rose 15 cubits at its peak when there are so many mountains that measure up to 100 cubits in the world, you might recieve a slap and be told that who are you a man to question god or the word of god. If you ask why there are so many contradictions in the bible you might be lucky if you go away without a slap. If you visit the koranic schools in Nigeria, Children and thought to memorize the koran with a whip, if any of them dares to ask why he should pray in arabic and not his native language, he will be lucky if he doesn't have scars on his back from the horsewhip of the koranic teacher. So we are left with nothing but fear, unnecessary fear that has been instilled in us since childhood to guide our lives.

This fear is what controls us and how we live our lives our lives. The fear of the unknown, we are too fearful, we can't question any form of constituted authority be it our parents, teachers, rulers and religious leaders. The black man does not really believe in freedom and individual thought we all like thinking and living as a community. Individual thoughts are not usually welcomed at all, that is why you see adult men and women living with their parents and having their parents, members of their families or communities thinking and deciding for them.

This inability to sit and critically evaluate things and circumstances is the reason why we are always following while other races have advanced and are moving forward while we are stagnant and unable to move forward where ever we seem to find our selves as a people. Another reason is poverty and ignorance, poor people who are always in need help are more likely to believe in god(as a source or means of lively hood or provider) than a rich person who has almost everything available to him.

toneyb:

It has a lot to do with our ability of not being able to think for ourselves. Black people hardly ever think for themselves(That is why we are never inventors only followers), We are NEVER encouraged to ask questions or challange constituted authorities(follow and never ask questions). We are raised to swallow everything and take it as it is being presented to us without asking why it is so or how it came about. I am mixed race, my mum is white but my dad was a yoruba man. When I first got to Australia I was very supprised at the way the white people here bring up their kids and always encourage them to think for themselves and have a mind of their own in almost every aspect of life including religion.

That is completely absent in Africa. You just have to take what is thrown at you without questioning it. And one other thing is that we are too fearful. Fear is what drives the black man in almost everything that he does, that is why we so much believe in things that have no meaning and do not contribute in any way to our societies, things like witches, demons, wizards. (These things mostly exists only in Africa much more than other places)

If you read the bible and see things that do not make sense to you like the Noah's flood where it says that the water rose 15 cubits at its highest and ask your sunday school teacher in a place like Nigeria to explain to you why the bible says the water rose 15 cubits at its peak when there are so many mountains that measure up to 100 cubits in the world, you might recieve a slap and be told that who are you a man to question god or the word of god. If you ask why there are so many contradictions in the bible you might be lucky if you go away without a slap. If you visit the koranic schools in Nigeria, Children and thought to memorize the koran with a whip, if any of them dares to ask why he should pray in arabic and not his native language, he will be lucky if he doesn't have scars on his back from the horsewhip of the koranic teacher. So we are left with nothing but fear, unnecessary fear that has been instilled in us since childhood to guide our lives.

This fear is what controls us and how we live our lives our lives. The fear of the unknown, we are too fearful, we can't question any form of constituted authority be it our parents, teachers, rulers and religious leaders. The black man does not really believe in freedom and individual thought we all like thinking and living as a community. Individual thoughts are not usually welcomed at all, that is why you see adult men and women living with their parents and having their parents, members of their families or communities thinking and deciding for them.

This inability to sit and critically evaluate things and circumstances is the reason why we are always following while other races have advanced and are moving forward while we are stagnant and unable to move forward where ever we seem to find our selves as a people. Another reason is poverty and ignorance, poor people who are always in need help are more likely to believe in god(as a source or means of lively hood or provider) than a rich person who has almost everything available to him.

huxley2:

Very well said. In fact I have raised a number of thread here with a view to addressing just this lack of intellectualism in the African (in Africa and the diaspora) community. If we Africans, do not start to redress this defficit in our community, we shall forever be the beggers and poor people of the world.

Let me see if I can find some of the threads that discuss this.

davidylan:

The moslems were also slave traders, even traditional african rulers were massive slave traders and were complicit in the European slave trade. Was it the Christian God working through these lot too?

The foolish hare-brained statements that these duds make can amaze even the greatest cynic.

The foolish hare-brained statements that these duds make can amaze even the greatest cynic

SeanT21:

@ Tonyb,


R U trying to say that Black Atheist think for themselves??

SeanT21:

So because I am a christian I don't think for myself??

toneyb:

You have to be able to think for yourself before you dis-engage from things like religion that have mass following. When it comes to things that like religion and faith all the thinking has already been done for you all you need to do is just follow the thoughts, wishes, assumptions, fantasy and imaginations of others without asking question. All religions demand total obedience no matter how illogical and irrational their claims are.

huxley2:

Your thinking is circumscribed by the Christian dogma, which means you would necessarily reject anything that does not satisfy the Christian doctrine. This statement is not hard to verify. In fact, lets put it to the test right here;

How old do you think the earth is? C'mon, show us the level of your think on this subject.

toneyb:

You have to be able to think for yourself before you dis-engage from things like religion that have mass following. When it comes to things that like religion and faith all the thinking has already been done for you all you need to do is just follow the thoughts, wishes, assumptions, fantasy and imaginations of others without asking question. All religions demand total obedience no matter how illogical and irrational their claims are.

Are U guyz not following the atheist movement How are U thinking 4 yourself??

davidylan:

and i suppose you flatter yourself by assuming that you can "think" for yourself? All you seem to do is parrot the talking points of your atheist masters.

toneyb:

And you parrot the talking points, imaginations and fantasies of your wannabe jewish ancestors and masters?

toneyb:

And you parrot the talking points, imaginations and fantasies of your wannabe jewish ancestors and masters?

SeanT21:

U are not answering my questions oooo!!

davidylan:

so we're on the same level playing field. So how are you "thinking" for urself?

SeanT21:

Black and Atheist sounds like an oxymoron.I think we all have noticed that there are a few black atheist.Blacks around the world,especially Africa and the US, seems to all be religious.All the blacks I met believed in a higher power. I never knew there was a thing known as "BLACK ATHEIST" until I came across some on cyberspace.An atheist Jamaican friend once told me that being an atheist in Jamaica is very depressing.They look at her with disgusted looks on their faces when she explains to them her beliefs.They even go as far to insult her and use words like "lost", "satanic", etc.

"Going To church" in the black community is more like a tradition.Everyone is entitled to do so.For all my years living in the US, I have not heard of a black Atheist. I think the reason that there are so few African American atheists is because African Americans, in general, have a stronger sense, of community and being associated and attached to their communities and families. This of course can be a good thing in certain situations, but with the religion thing, they don't want to question their belief in God because they don't want to think of themselves as different than and therefore less attached to their community and family.

In Liberia and everywhere across Africa God is everywhere. Phrases like "Thank God", "God is Good", "The Devil is a Liar", "Praise God" are commonly used.Even witchcrafts belive in God. In My country Liberia, If U dare insult Jesus or God, U better hide in the tree. These people will literally murder you with their words.

Why are BLACKS IN GENERAL such huge believers in GOD? Is it because of Whites who brought christianity with them to africa that some africans deemed it the "White Mans religion"? Did White Slave owners force Christianity on their slaves?? Was Christianity in Africa before the whites arrived??

As for all the Nairalanders out there that are Atheist, what reactions do U get from Blacks in general??

toneyb:

What are your questions?

Are U guyz not following the atheist movement How are U thinking 4 yourself??

huxley2:

SeanT21,

What is the age of the earth? Since you claim to be able to think, how you you go about investigating the age of the earth?

Let us leave aside who is following whom and test out our various positions here. It is only with such tests that we will find out whose thinking is constrained by dogma.

SeanT21:

Are U guyz not following the atheist movement How are U thinking 4 yourself??

SeanT21:

Are U guyz not following the atheist movement How are U thinking 4 yourself??

SeanT21:

Black and Atheist sounds like an oxymoron.I think we all have noticed that there are a few black atheist.Blacks around the world,especially Africa and the US, seems to all be religious.All the blacks I met believed in a higher power. I never knew there was a thing known as "BLACK ATHEIST" until I came across some on cyberspace.An atheist Jamaican friend once told me that being an atheist in Jamaica is very depressing.They look at her with disgusted looks on their faces when she explains to them her beliefs.They even go as far to insult her and use words like "lost", "satanic", etc.

"Going To church" in the black community is more like a tradition.Everyone is entitled to do so.For all my years living in the US, I have not heard of a black Atheist. I think the reason that there are so few African American atheists is because African Americans, in general, have a stronger sense, of community and being associated and attached to their communities and families. This of course can be a good thing in certain situations, but with the religion thing, they don't want to question their belief in God because they don't want to think of themselves as different than and therefore less attached to their community and family.

In Liberia and everywhere across Africa God is everywhere. Phrases like "Thank God", "God is Good", "The Devil is a Liar", "Praise God" are commonly used.Even witchcrafts belive in God. In My country Liberia, If U dare insult Jesus or God, U better hide in the tree. These people will literally murder you with their words.

Why are BLACKS IN GENERAL such huge believers in GOD? Is it because of Whites who brought christianity with them to africa that some africans deemed it the "White Mans religion"? Did White Slave owners force Christianity on their slaves?? Was Christianity in Africa before the whites arrived??

As for all the Nairalanders out there that are Atheist, what reactions do U get from Blacks in general??

Túdor:

@seanT21
Atheism is not a movement,central dogma or institution. . .its personal in that you weigh the fallacious claims of religion and choose not to follow.

SeanT21:

What does the age of the earth has to do with the bible??

Anyway, I must confess, [size=14pt]I dont think for myself.[/size] NOW ITS UR TURN TO ADMIT IT!!

pilgrim.1:

That's okay. In just the same way, theism is not a movement, central dogma or institution. . . it's personal in that you weigh the fallacious claims of atheism and choose not to follow.

That's okay. In just the same way, theism is not a movement, central dogma or institution. . . it's personal in that you weigh the fallacious claims of atheism and choose not to follow.