Nairaland Forum

mbuzo Dear,

You have the right to voice say your mind but u dont have any right to tell anybody to shut up, in case u forget this is 20th century.You may call what i wrote junk but majority of Nigerians dont feel so,i have received a lot of mails comending my comment.

Let me educate you a little, when somebody is ill he will go to the hospital, he will first see the medical record officer ,who will ask the patient some questions and direct him to the right person,now if what is making somebody ill is the teeth you will see a dentist, if it is the eye you will be directed to an optometrist who will check your eyes and either treat you, or refer you to an ophthalmologist, physician, medical lab scientist, behavioral scientist,etc,if you need the help of a medical doctor you will be directed to a medical doctor who will send you to a medical lab scientist,who after his or her test will make some diagnosis and send to the medical doctor who will write some drugs and the phamacists will dispense the drugs based on the training.

If the medical record officer send a patient to the wrong place the patient might even die or get worse,because an average nigerian medical doctor been what they are will grab every opportunity to make cash, you see them jumping into the fields they know nothing about, eg we have seen a chief medical officer write betnesol n eye drrop for patients with glaucoma,and directed the patient where to go and buy the drug, this can lead to instant blindness,as it is highly containdicated in glaucoma,it happened last 2 weeks, even today another chief medical officer wrote ibuprofen for a patient with stomach ulcer,the pharmacist saved this patient.
for somebody to get well all other professionals will work well,if the lab man, pharmacist, optometrists,etc make mistake the patient will suffer, so it is not only the medical doctor that is involved in treating patient.


Their strike no dey fear anybody, it does not succed where the people understand their politics,like it crumbled in edo,anambra ,ebonyi, etc, infact in Anambra it lasted four months,and they begged for their job,in ebonyi the Governor locked them out for 3months and they went back begging.The average nigerian medical doctor is self centered,jealous and wicked, they want to grow but fight others from growing, they turn memos to suit them , they prevent others from been employed, we know their tricks but they will one day fall victim of the society they created,it is hapenning now.

The mechanic is a very important link in the society and some of them are qualifed engineers,with masters degree,if they make mistake somebody might die.
I will not comment on the girl friend issue u raised because it is too immature, and we are discussing things for the mature minds.

if you like pay nigerian medical doctors billion,they are like our police,they will never work like their ghaninan counterpart,this is true, i dont even want to talk of the europeans, Nigerian medical doctors are the PDP in health sector.let us see how they will pay them the jumbo pay and leave others, it wont work here, nurses, phamacists , vet. Drs, Doctors of optometry, medical lab scientists, etc will leave the hospital for them let see if the health system will not collapse totally.

The truth is that politics is the bane of our health system and it is caused by the medical doctors.

Ikenna

your posts show only one thing,
You hate doctors. Are you saying other health workers dont have problems?Really i dont know what doctors have done to you or your family but your lack of objectivity and envy(yes it rings through each alphabet you type)is too evident.'All wrongs in the health sector must be blamed on doctors' does that even sound remotely sensible to you?
Please you are entitled to your own opinions but to ascribe that to a majority of Nigerians is misleading and im sure most people will see through your pettiness and bias against doctors, face on thing man, you cant change anything.Doctors will continue to lead the health team by virtue of their training which prepares them for anything in the management of the patient and to say one doctor's ailing represents the community is also misleading and malicious.
get it straight, either you like it or not, you will need a doctor and probably soon too
Doctors are a part of your life you cant afford to hate.
Live with it or let your hate run you.
Ill wait to see what happens when your child decides to be a doctor.

@ikennahill, I throw a challenge to you and the faceless frogs commending your comments to join this thread and post all they've got and watch me reply objectively.
It is now apparent that you have a mortal hatred for Drs so the things I say to you may not mean much. You are blabbing about Ghanian Drs, do you know Houseofficers there receive at least 40,000naira more than Medical Officers in Nigeria? For your information, your precious Ghanian Drs envy Nigeria Drs because they are hard working. Have you ever wondered why Drs that leave these shores usually do better or are you blind to that fact? All those errors by Drs that you listed are not unheard of even in your precious Ghana but will be detected in a functional system. How about the pharmacist that sold a patient with CML buscopan instead of Busulfan? Or the lab guy that mis-interpreted SS as AS. Don't even get me started with the nurses. So what do you want to prove? Face it, you are jealous, it doesn't take a Ghanian Dr to see that. With your first degree it will take you only 5 years to get MBBS. Its never too late.
I eagerly await a response from your sponsors. Bring it on!!!

I am a Nigerian doctor working in a public hospital. I also have my own private clinic but on personal conviction I do not see patients there until4pm after official working hours. The reason we go on strike is not only salaries but poor working conditions. I am have been a consultant for 9 years so if I were a ministry staff I would be at least a deputy director. I dont have an office of my own, I dont have a secretary, I am expected to attend to an average of 30- 40 patients a day without gloves or soap to wash my hands at times. If I am on call I sit in my car there is no loung e for me to sit so I either stay in my car or go home. I sometimes bring my personal instruments to work with at no extra cost. ( And I am a senior doctor) . I pity my junior collegues who are just starting out. At the end of the day I open the papers, read the internet and see that the average nigerian thinks I am a waste of space. Personally I have decided to stay long enough to train the present set of residents (post graduate doctors ) that I met on ground then I will face full time private practice. At least that way I determine my working conditions.

.First i want you to know that i do not hate Doctors (vetinary doctors,medical doctors,Doctors of optometry/optometrists,dentists,Pharm.D,etc),infact i have a lot of friends that are doctors and a lot more that are medical doctors,some of them are consultants,infact those trained abroad and the really educated ones(GOING TO UNIVERSITY DOES NOT MAKE ONE EDUCATED) know that the problem in our health sector is caused mainly by their fellow medical doctors.I also want to tell you that nobody is jealous or envious.In fact my dear,it is the medical doctor that is very jealous of other professions and have shown that in various ways,here are the facts:

Radiographers:medical doctors in Nigeria,tried everything within their power to kill the M.sc programme of radiographers,in fact it took the intervention of seasoned administrators in NUC and UNN senate to prevent this.The radiologists (who are medical doctors) did all,lobbied and did everything but failed.tell me the bussiness medical doctors have in the training of another professional,if not for envy.

Medical lab scientists;as we write this these people are in court with the medical doctors,it baffles every right thinking person that medical doctors want to head a profession they dont belong,Imagine whatwill happen when a pathologist represent med lab in HODs meeting. One day medical doctors will fall victim of the healthsocietry they are creating in Nigeria.if not to perpetuate evil and other forms of evil why will a medical doctor be intrested in laboratory services.

Pharmacists;Medical doctors fought pharmacists from geting final approval for Pharm.D programme.infact this fight by medical doctors in Nigeria made this programme to take such a long time to get approval from NUC,it took 18yrs for the pharmacists to get this approval because of jealousy and envy of Nigeriam medical doctors.so why are nigerian medical doctors fighting pharmacists from developing their profession,envy,jealousy ,etc.

Optometrists;these group of health professionals have suffered the most from medical doctors in Nigeria who allowed themselves to be evil tools in the hand of ophthalmologists because they(optometrists) are very few in public hospitals and they (optometrists) are not much into politics.Nigerian medical doctors tried everything to kill the profession when it started in UNIBEN.then the medical doctors wrote to all CMD of teaching hospitals in Nigeria,not to allow optometrists to do housemanship in their teaching hospitals,it failed (if u wnt the letter u can get it).The Nigerian medical doctors did not stop there,they tried to frustrate the approval of optometrists scheme of service by FGN,this move failed because in 2001 the govt. approved scheme of service for optometrists came out,and the medical doctors started fighting them state by state,infact it took some states 8yrs to get this scheme of service adopted because of the mischief of the medical doctors.They stoped the call duty of optometrists in Delta state after paying for some years beacause of jealousy of some medical doctors called ophthalmologists,the funny thing is that this money do not enter the MEDICAL DOCTORS pocket and it does not stop theirs and i laugh when somebody say some people jealous medical doctors ,rather jealousy is the s DNA of most Nigerian medical doctors.The medical doctors in delta state know that this stoped allowance must be paid,so they are just saving the money of these people,they even stoped the call duty of vet. drs in delta stste but it back fired,bc the HOS is a vet.dr.Tell me is this not jealousy,envy and wickedness.

Nurses : Prof.Ramsome Kuti ,a medical doctor and a fmr minister of health said that Nurses do not need further training after their basic nursing training, he said this so that he will not allow nurses get study leave , but approved post gradute diploma training (PGD)programme for medical doctors.If a prof can say that, what hope do we have in Naija,of course it is on record that he is the person who brought this acrimony in our health sector.

I can go on and on.
Yes other health professionals have problems ,but 98%of their problems are caused by Nigerian medical doctors,when somebody use all manner of excuse,power,etc, to denie you job satisfaction, good pay or growth of your profession educationally and otherwise ,what is the person, the person is the problem .Nigerian Medical doctors are the problem in health sector,everything is politics for them.

You are wrong when you said that medical doctors are trained to lead the health team,that is a big lie,calling a spade a spade, those trained to lead in health are hospital administrators.what training do medical doctors have to lead,that somebody did a unit course in law does not make u a lawyer, if you like do PGD course in accounting you are not an accountant.so my dear no medical doctor is trained to lead,see what is happening in places they lead.Dont deceive yourself, medical doctors in Nigeria are there today as the so called "leaders" because of the rat movements of one prof .Ransome Kuti.One day that law that have made our health sector laughing stock all over the world will be removed as it came.

You said i will change nothing,but u are wrong,Ghana became what they are today through one man Jerry Rawlings,Fidel castro made cuba self reliant,Mandela change south africa, you may not know this,this country will change one day for the better and you and your cotravellers MUST change positively with it.In the 70s we paid jamaica civil service salary,today they are beheading Nigerians in libya,imagine Gabon deporting naija people.
SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING ABROAD,YOU DO YOUR JOB AND LEAVE OTHERS DO THEIRS.

YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE THIS ,THE AVERAGE NIGERIAN MEDICAL DOCTORS IS THE PROBLEM OF OUR HEALTH SECTOR,THEY GO on STRIKE BECAUSE OF MONEY,NOTHING MORE,THEIR OTHER ARGUMENT IS JUST SMOKE SCREEN.THEY SAY THEY WANT TO GROW BUT DONT WANT OTHERS TO GROW,THEY WANT BETTER PAY BUT FIGHTS OTHERS FROM GETTING BETTER PAY,THEY WANT TO GO FOR MORE TRAINING BUT FIGHT OTHERS FROM GOING,BUT IN ALL THIS THEY ALL LIKE THE WAY THINGS WORK IN EUROPE, CARIBBEANS, AMERICA,CANADA, SOUTH AFRICA, ETC,WHERE ORDERLINESS IS THE WAY OF LIFE AND RULE OF LAW THE ALL IN ALL,BUT WILL NEVER WORK FOR THIS TO COME TO NIGERIA BECAUSE THEY WILL LOOSE THEIR POLITICAL POWER WHICH THEY CALL LEADING THE HEALTH TEAM.WHAT A SHAME.

Oh no sir!
ikenna thinks you are infact the problem with the Nigerian health sector.
He even thinks quacks are better and needed a lot more than doctors are.

Its unfortunate that we have Nigerians who are so mentally impoverished by their pettiness that they think out of envy rather than reason.

@Muzbo, pls leave our puny little friend alone, we know how envy can make small people petty.

allycat:

I am a Nigerian doctor working in a public hospital. I also have my own private clinic but on personal conviction I do not see patients there until4pm after official working hours.  The reason we go on strike is not only salaries but poor working  conditions. I am have been a consultant for 9 years so if I were a ministry staff I would be at least a deputy director. I dont have an office of my own, I dont have a secretary, I am expected to attend to an average of 30- 40 patients a day without gloves or soap to wash my hands at times. If I am on call I sit in my car there is no loung e for me to sit so I either stay in my car or go home. I sometimes bring my personal instruments to work with at no extra cost. ( And I am a senior doctor) . I pity my junior collegues who are just  starting out. At the end of the day I open the papers, read the internet  and see that the average nigerian thinks I am a waste of space. Personally I have decided to stay long enough to train the present set of residents (post graduate doctors ) that I met on ground then I will face full time private practice.  At least that way I determine my working conditions.

Thanks for the input. I didn't even know the situation was as grim as you painted it. Please sir do not relent in going back to your private work. . . maybe when the govt notices the dearth of specialists like you they'd make the working conditions better and the work more attractive.

@reindeer, sure thing! Jealous ikennahill may be back soon. Maybe the guy na lawyer sef and is busy plotting malpractice suits.

allycat:

I am a Nigerian doctor working in a public hospital. I also have my own private clinic but on personal conviction I do not see patients there until4pm after official working hours.  The reason we go on strike is not only salaries but poor working  conditions. I am have been a consultant for 9 years so if I were a ministry staff I would be at least a deputy director. I dont have an office of my own, I dont have a secretary, I am expected to attend to an average of 30- 40 patients a day without gloves or soap to wash my hands at times. If I am on call I sit in my car there is no loung e for me to sit so I either stay in my car or go home. I sometimes bring my personal instruments to work with at no extra cost. ( And I am a senior doctor) . I pity my junior collegues who are just  starting out. At the end of the day I open the papers, read the internet  and see that the average nigerian thinks I am a waste of space. Personally I have decided to stay long enough to train the present set of residents (post graduate doctors ) that I met on ground then I will face full time private practice.  At least that way I determine my working conditions.

Thanks for the input. I didn't even know the situation was as grim as you painted it. Please sir do not relent in going back to your private work. . . maybe when the govt notices the dearth of specialists like you they'd make the working conditions better and the work more attractive.

@reindeer, sure thing! Jealous ikennahill may be back soon. Maybe the guy na lawyer sef and is busy plotting malpractice suits.

Med drs in naija are d problem in health sector.d want good pay bt fight other,eg they stop d allowance of optometrist in delta ,no be say d money dey enta their pocket ,neither is their pay bn reduced.bt envy cause am& onedy,the money must be paid.med.dr.want further training bt fight others from improvn,eg they fought radiographers wt all powers & did all to stop their M.sc programme.bt failed after many attempts.med.drs in naija fought pharmacist frm startn pharm.D programme.it tk pharm 18yrs to get approval bc of d rat movt.of these med.drs.even optometrist internspip programme became annoyn to them they wrote letters to all cmds of teaching hospital not to tk optometrists,if u want d letter uwil gt it.bt ts failed after litle sucess,ts is jailable offènce,bt they are free.one day the naija med.drs wil fall d victim of d society they created via prof.ransome kuti,d man dt said nurses dnt nd further traing bt approves pgd programmes for med.drs&in some places gv them(d pgd drs.)consultant status after 18moths pgd!.d average naija med.dr is self centered,envious,see everthing ar politics.abroad things mv well bc of rule of law .u do ur job,allow other do theirs,tk ur pay dnt pt eye in other people pay,go 4 any further training dnt fight others frm improvn .osama bin laden was traind by usa to fight ussr,bt usa became victim,d consultant can even resign nw,afteral med.drs in naija hv frustrated a lot of other health profesionals out of their jobs.i can assure u dat naija no go die if d consultant resign,when bread fruit(ukwa)no dey,people no dey chop goat poo, let d med.drs kw dat na dem b d problem of naija health sector.everybdy kw hw hospital dey work smoothly b4 ransome kuti use politics to destroy d harmony,and creatd acrimony,bt i thank God soon naija go dey beta,c wetin dey happen 4 banks.face d truth,

Ok we don hear.


Live in beef continually

Doctors rule, cant take you serious anymore, its obvious there's a thinking error somewhere

@rendeer.i hv given u few facts.if u wnt document @d issues raised gv me ur email.d NMA delta state even listed the stopn of optometrists allowance as one of their achievemnts!.i hv td u d truth which is bitter.u might cal me anything u like,bt it stil wil nt mk us nt to say d truth.i never knew people understand d evil naija med. Drs hv done to ts nation until i responded to ur thread.i hv received 65 letters of comendatn on ts issue i raised.infact one person said u dnt talk of substance bt shadows.i agree wt ur statemnt dat naija med.drs rule i.e they are rulers,nt leaders.wat a shame!

Dont understand.
Could your next post be in english please?

@ikenna, paste all your fictitious commendations here on NL. Another thing, go and check your facts well, its actually the old pharmacists that stopped the newbies from getting D.pharm not Drs. Then let us know your discipline[b](apart from being a Jacka$s).[/b]I think you are a jealous hopeless Doctor-hating jerk making unsubstantiated claims in a futile bid to disparage life savers that put their own personal lives on hold.

@mbuzo.you have once again shown that you have problem during your embrological dev.because i dont see d reason behind your show of immaturity.the first time you told me to shut up,then started blabing about girlfriend,then now calling me a jerk&jakal.those words dont disturb me at all.d comendations are not for your consumption,however i wil ask them for permision to show them to you,if they agree,i wil do that.you make me laugh when you said old pharms,fought pham.D programme.everybody including you know that naija med.drs fought tis programme wt everything,bt failed.document can be given to u.even recently one nma chairman openly criticized the approval of this pharm.D.it is in national dailies.i told u that nobody is jealous of med. Drs,rather med.drs are jealous of others,eg why did they try to stop vet.dr.call duty,why did they stop optometrists allowance.they cried that optometrist title is Dr.they said optometrists should behave like pharmacist and archtect and use the title,optom. &not Dr.why dnt med.dr use the title Med. instead of Dr.they are fighting everybody in health even in areas nt theirs.all fact i raised have document &letters.you know they are quite true,calling me a jackal cannot remove the fact that you med.drs are the real hinderance to the growth of the health sector in our great nation Nigeria.when the prof.kuti decree appointed rulers(nt leaders) fight other part of the body from growing &want only him the head to grow,a disease condition will emerge that will also kill d head.the head cant do the job of d leg,hand,spinal cord,etc.Advice your fellow naija trained med.drs that everything is nt politics because those they oppress today in the name of politics might do d same 2 them one day,eg the com.of health in abia is an optometrist,if he revenge what med.dr in delta state did to optometrist on med.drs. In abia ,wil med.dr in abia be happy or if this northern gov who is a pharmacist deceide to take coded/uncoded revenge on med.drs. in his state how wil med.drs there feel.average naija med.dr.is selfish,selfcentered,jealous and petti.everybody except naija med.dr kw ts.truth is bitter.as for reindeer,i beg her to learn french,since she cant understnd simple txt msg writtng wh i snd frm my mobile.all their fight end in failure.in all they bring acrimony in our health sector and want to play d saint, we kw d real problem,we are not deceived.it is the naija med.drs.dat is 99.9%the problem.wetin concern dem 4 another person salary,education,etc.one day i wil have the opportunity to jail any of them that stoped another profesional from doing their job in the name of politics.wat a country!can they do this things abroad?the answer is NO!but for naija elephant can fly even in health sector.

ikennahill:

@mbuzo.you have once again shown that you have problem during your embrological dev.

You are lucky you ain't talking to me. I'm MUZBO. So you are just a disgruntled embryologist.

the first time. . ,then now calling me a jerk&jakal.

I called you a jacka$s not a jackal. The former is worse. Haba!!

d comendations are not for your consumption,however i wil ask them for permision to show them to you,if they agree,i wil do that.

How will 'they' agree when 'they' don't exist. You just need time to forge letters.

why dnt med.dr use the title Med. instead of Dr.they  are fighting everybody in health even in areas nt theirs.all fact i raised have document &letters.

Show them please Mr Embryologist or you prefer Dr? Better enroll in medical school instead of looking for shortcuts!

one day i wil have the opportunity to jail any of them that stoped another profesional from doing their job in the name of politics.

Oh, you are a policeman now? These jealous people will try anything!

Ikenna!

there is a difference between text messaging and posting on a forum like this ok?
I am forced to ask,did a doctor kill your family member?
If this wasn't the case then you most likely tried unsuccessfully to get into a med school but of course, the guys with some intelligence got the openings and left you flat on your butt.
I pity you and i can feel your pains, pray, pray ok and try again, you can still make it.
But! You should realize that hating or beefing Nija doctors wont help your cause.
Go and aspire for your children to become doctors(if you are too old to go to med school) and then you'll understand the responsibility that being a physician places in a shoulder and that its no joke other professions in the sector are 'paramedics' and only one is regarded as 'doctor'.i know many Nurses and matrons who beefed medical students but changed their demeanor towards doctors the moment one of their children entered medical school and took time to explain several things to them.
Try and sit down once and discuss open minded with a doctor and you'll be surprised how misguided you have been.
I only pray you realize on time what you are on to before you make a fool of yourself on the world wide web,or is it already happening?

You shall know the truth and it will set you free.you can also continue to deceive your self.the whole world know about the rot in our health system and they know that medical drs. In naija caused it by their useless politic.it baffle me that you refuse to accept glaring truth.doctors(medical) say they are the head they fight others from growing,they head all health boards in state& federal,yet there is failure instead of admiting that they have failed beyond imaginatn in adminstration(which in the first place they shouldnt have been into),they are looking for excuse.In frankfurt Germany last year,a german med.dr told me clearly that med.dr.politics in naija killed our health system.he told me that he resign from a teaching hospital in nigeria when he could not bear this rubbish med.politics,he was pissed off when during employment the Cmd said that they should reduce the num.of med.lab.scientist & pharmacist needed.then they should nt take optometrist at all,the german dr.was marveled.he ask the cmd why& the cmd told him that though they nd these people but if they become more they wil disturb med.drs.&as per the optoms,the cmd told him that those people working in teaching hospital wil promote the optometry profesion.(2dy optoms wrk in almost all teaching hosp& ts include the one in this write up)the german dr then ask the cmd what happen to the applicants, the cmd told him he wil group them as unqualified,wh he kw is a lie.the man was pissed off.you have not attacked the facts i raised.did med. Drs. In delta state use their unregistered political party NMA,TO STOP OPTOMETRIST ALLOWANCE&EVEN PUT IT AS ONE OF THEIR ACHIEVEMENT!.the answer is yes they did.is ts nt jealousy&envy.no be say the money paid optometrist go reduce their own nor wil the stoped money enta their pocket.did med.drs in naija try to stop M.sc programme of radiogrgphers,& allowance of vet.drs?,yes they did,document dey.if u want them u wil get them.did they try to stp Pharm.D program?,yes med.drs did that for 18yrs.they are stil fightng .are med.drs in naija trying to head med.lab.sci.?yes they are tryn using pathologists.med.drs in naija are shot cut specialist.see pgd in ophthalmology,ent,etc call themselves opthalmologist.pgd in accoutancy,law etc dnt mk one a lawyer or accountant.i dont nd 2 go to med.school as at today,i am okay wt my profession ,wole soyinka,okonjo iwela,ribadu,jerry rawlings,fidel castro,nelson mandiba mandela,soludo,destmond tutu,emeka odumegwu ojukwu,gani fahawemi,chinua achebe,etc never went tru med.sch bt infleuenced their generatn &more positively.i dnt nd to go to med.sch,vet.sch,pharm sch,optometry sch, as at today,dat does nt make it a sin for me to go to any of these schools if i so desire 2moro,it is a matter of choice.so go to your unregistered political party Nma,and tell them the truth &wrk out way to reconcile with other health care professional otherwise when dt decree wil be abolishd,med.drs wil cry.u shall know the truth&the truth wil set u free.attack the points,not me,bc the whole world kw what nigerian med.dr hv done to our health sector.they killed it and declared it D.o.a(death on arrival). Bt it was nt doa b4 they made the med. Drs.administrators,it was very healthy.dear reindeer &her cotraveller mbuzo,ur name calling cant change the facts that everybody know.ur feild of study is fine bt is nt more impt than,law,optometry,dentistry,pharmacy,med.lab.sci,radiography,nursing,nutritoinists,pilot,navy,air force,etc.MY DEAR Reindeer &her cotraveller.ONLY DWARFS NEED PODIUM.and only fools says& think 'my mecedez is bigger than yours'.i rest my case.

Mzubo.na u i dey talk to and u know that.one dnt nd to enta medical school to be legaly called dr.optometrists,vet.dr.,dentists,pharmacists wt doctor of phamacy.these are first degrees clincal courses.so educate yourself properly.i dnt nd to forge letters 4 wat?if they approve i wil show u.

@iken, you and I will never have a mature discussion if you don't reveal your discipline. You've concluded I'm a Dr. and I'm not denying but what are you? The only thing constant is your jealousy. The only thing that qualifies anyone to be called Dr is not academic qualification but state legislation. So if the law changes today, you can spend 10 years in medical school and do 2 ph.d programmes; if the law doesn't support it you'll never be called Dr. Optometrists can be called Dr. which actually stemmed from O.D i.e doctor of optometry which is a higher degree than B.Sc. but the legislature still has to afford these specific people the status of a physician before they can be rightly referred to as Dr, then other things will be added like call duty, hazard and stuff. The legislature knows the country can't adequately monitor physicians not to talk of their wannabes like you. That could be a reason why Delta Drs resisted. If I say you are being myopic now you'll go and see your optometrist instead of an Opthalmologist but I would've been speaking figuratively. If those your famous documents don't show the argument of the Delta Drs then I don't want to see it. Please don't rest now I ain't had enough.

hmm,
i give up.
i realise discussing with the ikenna chap is like explaining quantum physics to a toddler.
Post your 'documents' here and tell us your field and maybe we can have an intelligent discourse when we know what you do(or don't) in the health sector.
meanwhile enjoy your beef for doctors as dinner today

Don't mind the guy o!
@ikenn, I read one of your posts in a different thread where you said Drs are not the (total) cause of the problems in the health sector but here you have a different view. You seem to have a dual personality. Check the meaning of 'Chimerism'. It could well apply to you.

Both of you make me laugh ,instead of agreeing with very glaring truth,you are there blabbing.

Optometrists have never claimed to be medical doctors neither has vertinary doctors,Pharmacist with Pharm.D,or even your dentists(who medical doctors are merely tolorating).Optometrists call themselves optometrists,vet . drs. dont call themselves physician ,they like to be call vet. drs, etc.

what is the mordern albert eistein reincarnated in one reindeer trying to explain

That you are not 99% the cause of the rot in our health sector.It is sad that after years in school MOST OF THEM are brain washed to see others as competitors and not pathners, that naija for you.

Their rubbish in Delta state aganist optometrists is just temporal,those wonderful health professional(optometrists) in delta state will surely be paid their allowance ONE DAY, afterall med.drs fought pharmacists for 18yrs from doing their pharm.D programme,today they are at lost,even radiographers were not spared, they fought their M.sc programme,but today they are not only doing M.SC but Ph.D programme.the very programme that made NMA fight radiaographers from doing M.sc because after Ph.D they will answer Dr. A title medical drs in naija love so much( ) and which only them can have The time the allowance of optometrists denie them in delta will be given to them , it will be more pain ful to the Medical doctors because the optometrists will have arrears. i heard med.drs in delta are now trying to reach to these people to see a way to right the wrong they did to them,but which is late because even if they are paid this money today,the acrimony is now there,it is 4ever.The truth is that we are not deceived,medical doctors can not be the cause of all problem,but when you cause 99% of the problem the cause of the remaining one percent is insignificant.YOU ARE THE REAL CAUSE AND THOSE ALLOWING YOU TO PERPERTUATE THESE EVIL ARE THE 1%

You are trying to defend an action because you are not affected by the action,you lack the power to deceide what other health professional should get as per allowance or the level of education they should get.when they carry the corpse of somebody else to the cemetry ,to a stranger it is log of wood,but when death visit that stranger's family he/she will understand it is more than log of wood.I want to tell you that ONE day all these rot perpetuated by medical doctors will be stoped in this country,if apartheid can crumble,then this will surely be history one day and our health system will come back to its former glory before ransome kuti killed it.

yes mubzo,if i have eye problem the first person to see is the primary eyecare doctor the optometrist,who will do all examinations and refer me to apprioprate professional if need be, he might refer me to the ophthalmologists,physician,physiotherepists,etc
.that is the trend in organised place world wide including organised states in nigeria.

Med. drs are the cause of our sorry state of health in Nigeria.you cant denie .They prevent qualified professionals from been employed,they fight all other health care from developing or growing,they buy useless equipment in hospital for DEPT. they know nothing about, a physician was sent to indonesia to buy pharmaceutcal and medical laboratory equipments,what a country.the team all made of medical drs,the thing they bought cannot work and these dept cant function well,it happened in a state in the west,now tell me that is not failure , who caused it,no be medical drs.They even wanted to sack some lab scientists in that state for dare speaking out, rubbish,but it was complete waste of our money.

REPENT AND SEE HOW YOU CAN WORK WITH YOUR FELLOW HEALTH PROFESSIONAL,THE OPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TODAY MIGHT BE YOUR WORST REGRET 2MORO IF YOU DONT RECONSILE YOURSELF AND STOP EVEIL.IF YOU LIKE CONTINUE BLABBING,WHEN YOU FIGHT OTHERS FROM GROWING,AND ONLY YOUR HEAD IS THE RIGHT ONE TO GROW WHAT WILL HAPEN,"HYDROCEPHALOUS",THEN WHEN IT REACHES THIS STAGE,YOU THE HEAD WILL SURELY DIE WITH THE OTHER PARTS OF THE BODY THAT YOU LEAD TO DEATH. SHAME ON THESE YOU PEOPLE,GO TO SOME COUNTRY ABROAD AND SEE THINGS FOR YOUR SELF AND SEE HOW SYSTEM WORK IN THEIR HEALTH SECTOR.SHAME ON ALL YOU JEALOUS AND SELF CENTERED NIGERIAN MEDICAL DOCTORS,WHOSE ONLY ACHIEVEMENT IS FIGHTING THE GROWTH OF OTHER MORE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS.WHEN THE CRIKET FRIES HE SAYS I AM PRODUCING OIL,BUT HIS DEATH IS JUST NEAR.SORRY FOR SOME NAIJA MEDICAL DOCTORS ESPECIALLY MUZBO AND REINDEER,I AM REALLY SORRY FOR THIS NATION AND THE TYPE OF GRADUATE THEY PRODUCE THESE DAYS,ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT SEE THEMSELVES AS THE ALL IN ALL.

Aaahhh! @reindeer was right! ikenna is a toddler trying to comprehend quantum physics!
If I say your problem is psychological now you'll go and see a psychologist instead of a psychiatrist because of your hatred for Drs. Listen @ikenna, you are just wasting your time because your jealousy won't put those prestigious alphabets you so much crave for before your name. I've heard of people like you who missed Med. Sch and then pursued a ph.d so that they'd be called Dr.
Its called inferiority complex. While you were busy typing a bible of baseless allegations, you'd have used that time to pick up your 1981 edited physics textbook in your re-run for Medical school. It will solve nearly all your problems. This is good advice because envy is a bad thing.
Once again, what is your discipline? Don't be ashamed. Some people didn't go to school @ all. Keep bringing your allegations +/- documents, I dey here for you.

Nothing i raised can be called allegations.they are fact which you know.what you need is to do your own research.we are not deceived we know our problem in health sector is the naija med.drs.do u know wat they told nurses via prof.ransome kuti,nurses dont need more training,naija med.drs are funny species,when thing go well na med.dr. Bt when it is bad it is not med.dr. Nobody is jealous of med.dr. Rather they are the ones jealous of others.if nt why are they intrested in other people education,salary,etc, u hv shown that u dont understand yourself.how can u compare ur first degree to Ph.D. pls dnt say this outside.there is masters in medical science,which is higher than ur mbbs,then there is ph.d, Dont let ur pride over nothing make u look foolish.the title dr. Means nothing bc it is nt the hood that makes the monk.4gt my profession,i no go school.do the right thing.dnt feel pompous over rubish,u ar just dust.if u feel u are something ,then u deserve pity. Med.drs. In naija go on strike 4 pay.period.all this their argument abt this or that is indirect free kick.funny they fight others frm getting gd pay.this is my final word. U are nothing alone,bt u are something as a team.stp fighting others,and our health sector go benefit all,including u,u dont know that wrong glasses can cause blindness.hmmm.i am nt in the health sector but i know this by research.may god save our health sector .

Ok @ikenna, another dumb baseless allegation from you. Clap for yourself.
Now I'm almost sure that you are an optometrist. Now I can understand your jealousy. I'm not saying its impossible but prove how getting the wrong glasses can cause blindness.
How can I know what you are saying are not allegations when you are not giving us the documents.

Ok @ikenna, another dumb baseless allegation from you. Clap for yourself.
Now I'm almost sure that you are an optometrist. Now I can understand your jealousy. I'm not saying its impossible but prove how getting the wrong glasses can cause blindness.
How can I know what you are saying are not allegations when you are not giving us the documents.

FL Gators:

IT'S ILLEGAL FOR DOCTORS TO GO ON STRIKE!!

very illegal

guys, is it illegal for ANY salary earner to go on strike?
Especially when they have families to take care of,shop in the same markets as you do,really is it illegal?

Guys thanks.it is quite illegal& it happens only in naija and countries like naija.bt if govt. Is serious they wil just jail all of them &sack them as done in kenya.then this rubbish will stop.@muzbo,hv u asked yourself why national teams have psychologists and not psychaitrics.every professional have duty.i am not an optometrist,i belong to a learned profession.we read wide &know all part including medcine.pls see the bulletin of WHO jan 2008,to see that uncorrected& wrongly corrected refractive errors could lead to blindness.An optometrist saved me from going blind after an ophthalmogist nearly made me blind when i was young.our med.drs are regulated touts.

ikennahill:

@muzbo,hv u asked yourself why national teams have psychologists and not psychaitrics.

Maybe because they can't afford them? Of course, psychologists are needed to prevent an eventual visit to psychiatrists.

ikennahill:
i am not an optometrist,i belong to a learned profession.

What is it?

ikennahill:
pls see the bulletin of WHO jan 2008,to see that uncorrected& wrongly corrected refractive errors could lead to blindness.

Just wanted you to prove it yourself.

ikennahill:
An optometrist saved me from going blind after an ophthalmogist nearly made me blind when i was young.

Aahh haa! Now the plot thickens. This is why you hate Drs and love optometrist. You were too young to differentiate Dr from Optometrists.