I want to use this opportunity to correct a wrong impression about bail conditions. In recent times we have read how courts slam bail charges on accused persons and many think the sums must be paid before releasing an accused.

in reality this money and other conditions will only be redeemed if only the accused jump bail. in that situation the sureties will have to pay the cash.

But if the accused maintain statuesque and appear in court as at when due, that money will never be paid. but the sureties must sign before releasing an accused on bail with the prove of ownership of the landed property as required by the court.

Legal gurus in the house can throw more light on this subject.

Thanks for the heads up..

You very funny. Without meeting any of the bail conditions, you can't be released. So what if the accused and the surties flee the country? what then?

OP why are you trying to ruin the day of those jubilating on the bail condition of Olisa Metuh, huh?

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We need to settle this dispute on Nairaland once and for all.

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Geist:
You very funny. Without meeting any of the bail conditions, you can't be released. So what if the accused and the surties flee the country? what then?

That is why the properties that have docs are deposited in the custody of the courts...

The Cof Os that are verifiable & have value of LIKE SUM....

We have totally bastardised the concept of bail & all thanks for that grey area/confusion goes to the Nigerian Police Force..

We are confusing bail condition with fines & penalties for offences.

@OP , You are on point......

Op, I think you're wrong. The bail conditions must be perfected, including the money part, before the accused will be released. Check your facts as I check mine too.

Traditionally, bail is some form of property deposited or pledged to a court to persuade it to release a suspect from jail, on the understanding that the suspect will return for trial or forfeit the bail (and possibly be brought up on charges of the crime of failure to appear). In some cases, bail money may be returned at the end of the trial, if all court appearances are made, regardless of whether the person is found guilty or not guilty of the crime accused. If a bondsman is used and a surety bond has been obtained, the fee for that bond is the fee for the insurance policy purchased and is not refundable.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail

From the emboldened, it's clear that the money has to be deposited with the court. If not, there won't be need for "bail money may be returned" after trial.

modath:


That is why the properties that have docs are deposited in the custody of the courts have CofO that are verifiable & have value of LIKE SUM....

We have totally bastardised the concept of bail & all thanks to that goes to the Nigerian Police Force..

We are confusing bail condition with fines & penalties for offences.

@OP , You are point......

Are you speaking from position of knowledge or from that of your thoughts?

modath:


That is why the properties that have docs are deposited in the custody of the courts have CofO that are verifiable & have value of LIKE SUM....

We have totally bastardised the concept of bail & all thanks to that goes to the Nigerian Police Force..

We are confusing bail condition with fines & penalties for offences.

@OP , You are point......

Please read the OP again. The OP is claiming that it is when the defendant jumps bail that money is collected. There was nothing on like sum in the OP. The issue of like sum only comes up for defendants who claim they don't have raw cash. If you're collecting the bail money or you collect properties in like sum what difference does it make. The important thing to note here is they are paid before the defendant is released on bail and not when he jumps bail

@OP:

You are wrong! The bail money money is to be paid to the court and will be kept in the court's custody until after the trial. Should the accused jump bail, he forfeits the money. If he doesn't, he's refunded the money after the trial is concluded.

DropShot:

Are you speaking from position of knowledge or from that of your thoughts?

Counter it & prove me wrong... I like to learn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail

TonyeBarcanista:
@OP:

You are wrong! The bail money money is to be paid to the court and will be kept in the court's custody until after the trial. Should the accused jump bail, he forfeits the money. If he doesn't, he's refunded the money after the trial is concluded.

Have you confirmed if Dokpesi & The Bellos Bailors actually deposited cash or properties?.

modath:


Counter it & prove me wrong... I like to learn.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bail

Read that link you provided. I have highlighted it in my first post up here.

In this case of Methuselah, he must pay his #1b bail o

modath:


Have you confirmed if Dokpesi & The Bellos Bailors actually deposited cash or properties?.

Their bail conditions included money and properties. Both conditions are distinct and must be met.

modath:


Have you confirmed if Dokpesi & The Bellos Bailors actually deposited cash or properties?.

How do I confirm that? Do I have access to the finance Department of the Court? Once the bail condition say CASH, it is CASH!

modath:


Have you confirmed if Dokpesi & The Bellos Bailors actually deposited cash or properties?.

Op you are completely wrong.

The bail money is usually paid to the court. If the word "like sum" is used, properties documents of equivalent price is deposited at the court.

The money will be return to the accuse at the end of the trial whether the accused is Guilty or Not.

but during the trial, cash bail money will already be with the court before the accuse can leave prison and start coming to court from home.
At the same time, properties documents of like sum will also be with the court.

Oga the accused have to pay the stipulated bail sum to the court before he or she can be granted bail or released from prison.

For the sureties, they will not lose their properties and money only if the accused jump bail, but they will deposit all documents and monies with the court.

TonyeBarcanista:

How do I confirm that? Do I have access to the finance Department of the Court? Once the bail condition say CASH, it is CASH!

Why do you take everything personal? ... It is a rhetorical question for pete sakes!!

Dropshot , geist, tuale4u & barca ,

Do not take my word for it but 1.3 (300m + 2 surety in like sum equals 300x2=600 altogether that is 900m billion naira is not going to be deposited anywhere, I have read again, 2 sureties in like sum of 300m, we are allowing interpretation confuse us...

Will Excise & paste specifics ... a dey come.....

Bail is traditionally Properties sef..

well I just know that I will learn from this thread whether I am right or wrong......... but justice must be done to this subject once an for all.....keep the answers coming.

This is very simple...no confusion here. Bail money is demanded by the court as a sort of guarantee to stop an individual fleeing/not showing up in court and if that bail is provided, the individual under trial is then released to stand trial but the bail is held in the custody of the court. If the individual does not show up, the bail is forfeited by the individual who put up the bail. This is held until the end of the trial whatever the outcome.

Informative.

modath:



Why do you take everything personal? ... It is a rhetorical question for pete sakes!!

Dropshot , geist, tuale4u & barca ,

Do not take my word for it but 1 billion naira is not going to be deposited anywhere, I have read again, 2 sureties in like sum, we are allowing interpretation confuse us...

Will Excise & paste specifics ... a dey come.....

Bail is traditionally Properties sef..

"Bail works by releasing a defendant in exchange for money that the court holds until all proceedings and trials surrounding the accused person are complete. The court hopes that the defendant will show up for his or her court dates in order to recover the bail."
www.money.howstuffworks.com/bail.htm

modath:



Why do you take everything personal? ... It is a rhetorical question for pete sakes!!

Dropshot , geist, tuale4u & barca ,

Do not take my word for it but 1 billion naira is not going to be deposited anywhere, I have read again, 2 sureties in like sum, we are allowing interpretation confuse us...

Will Excise & paste specifics ... a dey come.....

Bail is traditionally Properties sef..

what do you mean by bail been traditionally properties? Where did you get that from? A bail is what the court says it is. If the court says money, then so be it. If it says properties, then so be it. Courts usually give options of properties in like sum for those who don't have cash but have properties that can stand in for the cash. More like a collateral. The issue with the OP is not what is paid (I.e weather cash or property) but when it is paid. The OP claims the cash or property is paid if the accused jumps bail as against before been released on bail. No accused will be released until all bail conditions are met.

TonyeBarcanista:


"Bail works by releasing a defendant in exchange for money that the court holds until all proceedings and trials surrounding the accused person are complete. The court hopes that the defendant will show up for his or her court dates in order to recover the bail."
www.money.howstuffworks.com/bail.htm

Leave those reporters interpretation, Metuh's sureties are required to deposit property doc.... The cash requirements are even 200m for his money laundering case + another 300m for his evidence destructing case.

Cash is 500m if need be , while property value is 200m×2 =400 + 300mx2 =600m .. Everything altogether property wise is 1billion, so if a true picture is sought...

1.5bn is the figure in question...

All these figures people are bandying ain't so...

Away from everything, I believe Nurse's is so stringent to teach him a lesson for his recalcitrant & obstruction of justice stand..

BTW, the link didn't work.

Geist:
what do you mean by bail been traditionally properties? Where did you get that from? A bail is what the court says it is. If the court says money, then so be it. If it says properties, then so be it. Courts usually give options of properties in like sum for those who don't have cash but have properties that can stand in for the cash. More like a collateral. The issue with the OP is not what is paid (I.e weather cash or property) but when it is paid. The OP claims the cash or property is paid if the accused jumps bail as against before been released on bail. No accused will be released until all bail conditions are met.

Let's agree i don't know what I'm saying & the SANs are wrong , the whole cash is even 200+300m , the other conditions are in PROPERTIES...

Go and read both judgements again..

modath:



Let's agree i don't know what I'm saying & the SANs are wrong , the whole cash is even 200+300m , the other conditions are in PROPERTIES...

Go and read both judgements again..

and did the judgment say the accused can be released even before the bail money or property are submitted to the court?

Where is the bail money deposited? What is the name of the account?

Are the C of O documents of the properties dropped with the court registrar just like the travel documents of the accused?

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Geist:
and did the judgment say the accused can be released even before the bail money or property are submitted to the court?

Where did i opined that? ... What is the function of setting bail conditions if it isn't met before release from custody, kindly point where i posited that?

Okay. This is long overdue.