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Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 9:22pm On Jan 28, 2016
EXISTENCE.

The Jinn are beings created with free will, living on earth in a world parallel to mankind.
The Arabic word for Jinn is from the verb Janna ' which means to hide or conceal. Thou, they are physically invisible from man as their discription suggest. This invisibility is one of the reasons some people have denied their existence.

However, (as will be seen) the effect which the world of the Jinn has upon our world, is enough to refute this modern day denial of one of God's creation. The origin of the Jinn can be traced from the Qur'an and the Sunnah.

Allah (God) says :

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire "
(Qur'an 15:26-27).

Occult Activities Of The Jinn.

Through their power of flying invisibility, the Jinn are the chief component in occult activities. Voodoo, black magic, poltergeists, witchcraft and mediums can all be explained through the world of the Jinn. Likewise, so can the illusions and feats of magicians. Because the Jinn can traverse huge distance over a matter of seconds, their value to magicians is great. In return for helping them (magicians) in their magic, the Jinns often ask the magicians to worship them and satan. Thou, the magicians take the Jinn and satan as lords besides God.

In our day, some of the feats performed by magicians and entertainers are without doubt from the assistance of the Jinn. Making Statue of Liberty disappear, flying across the Grand Canyon and retrieving a ship from Bermuda Triangle, have been done by the Jewish magician David Copperfield. There is NO way that a man could do such things without the assistance of the Jinn. It would not be surprising therefore, if David Copperfield has sold his soul to satan himself.

One of the most frequent activities associated with the Jinn, is fortune telling.
Before the advent of the Prophet Muhammad, (S. A. W) fortune-tellers and sooth - sayers were wide spread.
These people would use their associates from the Jinn to found out about the future. The Jinns would go to the lowest Heaven and listen to the Angels conversing amongst themselves about events of the future which they (Angels) heard from God. The Jinn would then inform the fortune-tellers. This is why before the time of the Prophet (S. A. W) many fortune-tellers were very accurate their Predictions. However, upon the Prophet's (S. a. w) arrival the Heavens were guarded intensely by the Angels, and any Jinn who tried to listen was attacked by meteors (shooting stars) .

Allah (God) says :

"And We have guarded it (the Heavens) from every accused devil, exect one who is able to snatch a hearing and he is pursued by a brightly burning flame ". (Qur'an 15 :17-18).

The Prophet (s. a. w) also said :
" They (the Jinn) would pass the information back down until it reaches lips of a magician or a fortune-teller sometimes a meteor would overtake them before they could pass it on. If they passed it on before being struck, they (magicians) would add to it a hundred lies ". (Sahih Al Bukhari).

Thus, it is clear from this as to how fortune-tellers get predictions of the future sometimes right. It is also evident as to why they get so many wrong. Men like Nostradamus are an example, as some of his predictions of the future were correct whilst many were completely wrong.
Unfortunately, the amount of future telling which occurs amongst the Muslims is also increasing. By visiting Muslims land such as Morocco one is able to see as to how much inter Jinn future teller activity there really is. If you look up at the sky on a clear night in Morocco, you will see the Heavens ablaze with shooting stars. A clear display of the devils being chased away from the Heavens.

Fortune-tellers also operate through the Qareen. The Qareen is the Jinn companion which is assign to every human being. It is this Jinn which whispers to our base desires and constanstly tries to divert us from righteousness.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 6:27pm On Feb 09, 2016
The Prophet (saw) said : Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O'Massager of Allah? And the Prophet (saw) replied: Even me, expect that Allah has helped me against him and he has become a Muslim. Now he only tells me to do good " (Sahih Muslim)

Because the Qareen is with a person all his life, it knows all that has happened to the person from the cradle to the grave. By making contact with the Qareen, the fortune-teller is thus able to make out that it is he who knows about the person. He look at his crystal ball or the palm of a person and proceeds to amaze him with knowledge which no one else knows.
The severity of going to a fortune-teller is such that the Prophet (saw) said:
"The prayer of one who approaches a fortune-teller and asks him about anything, will not be accepted for forty days and nights" (Sahih Muslim). And whosoever approaches a fortune-teller and believes in what he says, has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad (saw).

The effect of the Jinn are not just limited to fortune-tellers. Other activities such as ousia board and seances, which are used to contact the dead, are manupulited by the Jinn. 'Are you there Diana? Speak to us Diana!!' are the sort of words spoken by anxious relatives (names are obviously different!) seeking to make contact with their loved ones. And it is when the Jinn start to talk and communicate as 'Diana', that the people are truly fooled. One of the biggest manupulation of the Jinn is through visions. Through these visions the Jinns are more likely to lead people from the worship of God than any other way. When a person sees a vision in front of his /her eyes it is something which is very hard to explain way. Only by having knowledge of the world of the Jinn are conviction in God, can a person fight such trial. The countless numbers of visions of Jesus Christ (as) and the virgin Mary over the centuries has been a popular choice for the devils. It almost seems as if leading Christians astray is the most easiest trick for the Jinns! Not only are Christians fooled by these vision, but often the Jinns possess and begin to talk from their voices. To the Christians this is known as tongues of the Angels and thus a proof for their faith. However, the amount of unintelligible nonsense and rubbish which is heard is a clear proof that this is in fact the tongues of the devils! For other people, visions of their parents or relatives are commonplace. By taking on the form of people's parents, the Jinns can convince people that the souls of dead people still mix with people of the earth. This is why so many people believe in ghosts.

The onslaught of satanic visions has also hit the Muslims. Many Muslims claim to have seen the visions of the Prophet Muhammad (saw) and even God! By doing this, satan is able to lead astray the weak Muslims. During such visions, Muslims are often told that the commands of Islam are not applicable to them. The Jinns tell them that prayers, fasting, Hajj etc. are not obligatory for them. It is a great deception and Unfortunate one which has been very effective. The extent of satanic visions still continues to this day.
The death of Diana princess of Wales sparked off great love and adoration for this woman. In fact, the grief of the British people was such, that it was as if Diana was something divine. No sooner had the mourning of Diana reached its peak, that visions of her were already seen at Hampton Court palace! If these visions did occur, the desire of satan and his army of Jinn to capitalise on this event, was evident. Such visions are clear attempts by satan to lead mankind away from the path of God.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Nobody: 7:44am On Feb 10, 2016
IdisuleOurOwn:
The Prophet (saw) said : Everyone of you has been assigned a companion from the Jinn. The companions asked: Even you O'Massager of Allah?
He(S.A.W) said yes! but Allah has helped me in making him(jinn) accept islam.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 5:44pm On Feb 10, 2016
Protection from Jinn.

Because the Jinn can see us while we cannot see them, the Prophet Muhammad (saw) taught us many ways to protect from their harm, such as seeking refuge in Allah (God) from the accused satan, reciting chapters 113 and 114 of the Qur'an, and reciting the words of Allah (God) in the Qur'an.
"Say: 'my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the whisperings of satan. And I seek refuge with You, my Lord, lest they may attend (come near me).' "
(Qur'an 23:97-98).

By saying Bismillah (In the Name of Allah) before entering one's, before eating or drinkig, and before having intercourse will also satan from entering the house, or partaking with a person in his/her food, drink and sexual activity. Similarly, mentioning the name of Allah (God) before entering the toilet or taking off one's will prevent the Jinn from harming him /her, as the Prophet (saw) said.

Reciting Al Kursi verse(s) (Qur'an 2:255) provides also a strong protection against the Jinn, as we learned from the story of Abu Hurraira (radia'llahu anhu) with a devil.

Also, the Prophet Muhammad (saw) said: "Do not make your houses like graves, for satan runs away from the house in which Al Baqara (chapter 2 of the Qur'an) is recited". (narrated by Sahih Muslim)

The world of the Jinn is one which is both sinister and instriguing. By knowing of this world we can explain many of the mystreries which bother us. By doing this we can avoid the extremes which the people have gone to; Nothing more extreme than worshipping others besides God. By learning the monotheism of God, we can defend ourselves from these hidden allies of satan.

Allah says: "Indeed he (satan) and his tribes watch you from a position where you cannot see them."
(Qur'an 7 :27).

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 10:48am On Feb 12, 2016
Mukina2, Sissie this thread deserve front page.

Thanks cool
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by carinmom(f): 2:52pm On Feb 12, 2016
Op i must commend you for this informative thread. Jazakallah khayran, i have always been suspicious of that Ouija board, i used to have the feeling that jinns were really at work, now it has been confirmed.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Ayishatreal(f): 12:02pm On Feb 17, 2016
carinmom:
Op i must commend you for this informative thread. Jazakallah khayran, i have always been suspicious of that Ouija board, i used to have the feeling that jinns were really at work, now it has been confirmed.


175599: Ruling on playing with ouija boards

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I recently found out about a game that is very common in our country, which is called Ouija. Does this game come under the heading of witchcraft and interacting with the jinn?

Published Date: 2016-01-13



Praise be to Allah

The ouija board game poses a danger to the religious commitment and life of the player. With regard to his religious commitment, that is because it involves calling upon and addressing the jinn, responding to them, believing their words, and being afraid of going against their orders. The ruling on playing this game is no different than the ruling on going to fortune tellers and soothsayers, because of what happens of the player asking the jinn about matters that are unseen or unknown to him. With regard to the danger that it poses to his life, that is because of what has happened of many people being affected by mental illness, anxiety and fear that ruined their lives. Hence there have been many statements from psychologists and there is unanimous agreement on the necessity of getting rid of this game and not trying it out, let alone playing it and becoming attached to it.

In brief, it consists of a board on which are written all the numbers and letters, and at the top of the board are written the words Yes, No, and Goodbye. Each board is written in the language of the local people and there is a disc in the middle of the board, the edges of which are held by a minimum of two players. The game begins by calling upon “Ouija”, and it is clear in the minds of the players that they are now calling upon a spirit or a jinn, according to the player’s belief, and he is asked about things that are unknown to them of events that have taken place, and the disc moves towards the numbers and letters in order to spell out the answer to the question. If the question is about a specific date, the disc, with their fingers on it, moves towards the numbers in order to answer the question. Similarly, if the question is about a name or an event, then the disc moves towards the letters in order to spell out the answer to the question. Or the answer may be Yes or No, so the disc moves towards one of them. The players cannot choose to exit the game until they ask permission from “Ouija”, then if the disk moves towards the word No, they cannot leave the game, but if it moves towards the word Yes, then they can leave, whereupon they have to thank him, then when the players have thanked him, the disc moves towards the word Goodbye.

Some people try to take the matter lightly and make it merely a game for fun, but in fact it is extremely serious. What appears to be the case is that the word “Ouija” is the name of one of the jinn – a king or someone else– and he sends one of his troops to move the disk towards the numbers and letters to spell out the answers. There are some people who believe that this movement comes from the devil-companions (qareen) of the players, and that what they ask about is known to them only or is known in the realm of the jinn. There are others – Western doctors and scientists – who believe that the phenomenon of the disk’s movement is what is called “unconscious movement”; what is meant is that the mind is able, under the influence of certain emotions, to move the muscles of the body unconsciously, without the individual being aware of this movement, so it appears to him as if the spirits are moving the pointer under his hand.

What is established in the mind of the Muslim is that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade going to soothsayers and said that “they are nothing.” And he said that if a person goes to them, even if he does not believe in them, then no prayer will be accepted from him for forty days, and that whoever goes to them and believes in them has committed an act of disbelief.

We have discussed all of this – with the relevant evidence – in the answers to questions no. 8291, 60431, 100900 and 135589.

It is not permissible for the Muslim to seek the help of the jinn to find out unknown and unseen matters, even if he does not seek to draw close to them by doing acts of worship or obedience to them. Merely seeking their help is prohibited.

See the answer to question no. 137948.

Because the jinn benefit from the humans who play this game, the jinn submit, in a sense, to the players, by telling them the unknown matters they ask about. The human also submits to the jinn in a sense. It is sufficient to note that they dare not leave the game without seeking the permission of “Ouija”, otherwise they think and believe that they will be harmed. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): ‘O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men,’ and their Auliya (friends and helpers, etc.) amongst men will say: ‘Our Lord! We benefited one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which You did appoint for us’” [al-An‘aam 6:128]. The sin and disbelief that affect the player before and during the game, and afterwards, is what Allah, may He be exalted, mentions in the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief” [al-Jinn 72:6].

With regard to the ruling on seeking the help of the jinn, please see the answers to questions no. 10815, 11114 and 78546.

Conclusion:

It is haraam for the Muslim to play the Ouija board game, even if in fact it involves no more than unconscious movements, because the player actually and intentionally calls upon the jinn, which comes under the heading of seeking the help of the jinn and the ruling on going to fortune tellers and soothsayers. All of these are haraam things. We have discussed this above and in the answers referred to.

And Allah knows best.

Islam Q&A

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by cheddahboy(m): 12:03am On Feb 18, 2016
Enlightening!
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by eluquenson(m): 7:54am On Feb 19, 2016
Very nice info
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by carinmom(f): 12:18pm On Feb 20, 2016
Ayishatreal:



175599: Ruling on playing with ouija boards

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I recently found out about a game that is very common in our country, which is called Ouija. Does this game come under the heading of witchcraft and interacting with the jinn?

Published Date: 2016-01-13



Praise be to Allah

The ouija board game poses a danger to the religious commitment and life of the player. With regard to his religious commitment, that is because it involves calling upon and addressing the jinn, responding to them, believing their words, and being afraid of going against their orders. The ruling on playing this game is no different than the ruling on going to fortune tellers and soothsayers, because of what happens of the player asking the jinn about matters that are unseen or unknown to him. With regard to the danger that it poses to his life, that is because of what has happened of many people being affected by mental illness, anxiety and fear that ruined their lives. Hence there have been many statements from psychologists and there is unanimous agreement on the necessity of getting rid of this game and not trying it out, let alone playing it and becoming attached to it.

In brief, it consists of a board on which are written all the numbers and letters, and at the top of the board are written the words Yes, No, and Goodbye. Each board is written in the language of the local people and there is a disc in the middle of the board, the edges of which are held by a minimum of two players. The game begins by calling upon “Ouija”, and it is clear in the minds of the players that they are now calling upon a spirit or a jinn, according to the player’s belief, and he is asked about things that are unknown to them of events that have taken place, and the disc moves towards the numbers and letters in order to spell out the answer to the question. If the question is about a specific date, the disc, with their fingers on it, moves towards the numbers in order to answer the question. Similarly, if the question is about a name or an event, then the disc moves towards the letters in order to spell out the answer to the question. Or the answer may be Yes or No, so the disc moves towards one of them. The players cannot choose to exit the game until they ask permission from “Ouija”, then if the disk moves towards the word No, they cannot leave the game, but if it moves towards the word Yes, then they can leave, whereupon they have to thank him, then when the players have thanked him, the disc moves towards the word Goodbye.

Some people try to take the matter lightly and make it merely a game for fun, but in fact it is extremely serious. What appears to be the case is that the word “Ouija” is the name of one of the jinn – a king or someone else– and he sends one of his troops to move the disk towards the numbers and letters to spell out the answers. There are some people who believe that this movement comes from the devil-companions (qareen) of the players, and that what they ask about is known to them only or is known in the realm of the jinn. There are others – Western doctors and scientists – who believe that the phenomenon of the disk’s movement is what is called “unconscious movement”; what is meant is that the mind is able, under the influence of certain emotions, to move the muscles of the body unconsciously, without the individual being aware of this movement, so it appears to him as if the spirits are moving the pointer under his hand.

What is established in the mind of the Muslim is that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) forbade going to soothsayers and said that “they are nothing.” And he said that if a person goes to them, even if he does not believe in them, then no prayer will be accepted from him for forty days, and that whoever goes to them and believes in them has committed an act of disbelief.

We have discussed all of this – with the relevant evidence – in the answers to questions no. 8291, 60431, 100900 and 135589.

It is not permissible for the Muslim to seek the help of the jinn to find out unknown and unseen matters, even if he does not seek to draw close to them by doing acts of worship or obedience to them. Merely seeking their help is prohibited.

See the answer to question no. 137948.

Because the jinn benefit from the humans who play this game, the jinn submit, in a sense, to the players, by telling them the unknown matters they ask about. The human also submits to the jinn in a sense. It is sufficient to note that they dare not leave the game without seeking the permission of “Ouija”, otherwise they think and believe that they will be harmed. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “And on the Day when He will gather them (all) together (and say): ‘O you assembly of jinns! Many did you mislead of men,’ and their Auliya (friends and helpers, etc.) amongst men will say: ‘Our Lord! We benefited one from the other, but now we have reached our appointed term which You did appoint for us’” [al-An‘aam 6:128]. The sin and disbelief that affect the player before and during the game, and afterwards, is what Allah, may He be exalted, mentions in the verse (interpretation of the meaning): “And verily, there were men among mankind who took shelter with the masculine among the jinns, but they (jinns) increased them (mankind) in sin and disbelief” [al-Jinn 72:6].

With regard to the ruling on seeking the help of the jinn, please see the answers to questions no. 10815, 11114 and 78546.

Conclusion:

It is haraam for the Muslim to play the Ouija board game, even if in fact it involves no more than unconscious movements, because the player actually and intentionally calls upon the jinn, which comes under the heading of seeking the help of the jinn and the ruling on going to fortune tellers and soothsayers. All of these are haraam things. We have discussed this above and in the answers referred to.

And Allah knows best.

Islam Q&A
Sister i really appreciate your effort of shedding more light on the topic and the Islamic view concerning the topic. When i saw your mention i couldn't respond because i was banned from Nairaland for some days. Jazakillahu khayran once again.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 7:27am On May 13, 2016
IdisuleOurOwn:
Mukina2, Sissie this thread deserve front page.

Thanks cool
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by youngberry001(m): 11:01am On May 13, 2016
Alhamdulillahi

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Confirmer(m): 11:13am On May 13, 2016
Alhamdulillah. Jazakhallahu khairan

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by tetula123(m): 11:27am On May 13, 2016
Didnt really get it..but who cares

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by surestakes: 11:29am On May 13, 2016
Pictures of the jinn or idonbelieveit undecided tongue

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 11:49am On May 13, 2016
tetula123:
Didnt really get it..but who cares


why not read the post again, this time around, carefully.


You will be glad you did.
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by olaztek(m): 11:50am On May 13, 2016
There are so many corrupt Imams and Islamic leaders who promotes such things because of money. Many people who call themselves Muslims do not believe Allah is sufficient for us all. May Allah bless u more for this write-up.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by MakeWeTalk: 11:55am On May 13, 2016
Guys the True God cannot create Evil, you need to be evil to create Evil.

Jinns were created by allah.

Allah says :

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire "
(Qur'an 15:26-27).


The God of the bible created angels who rebeled and became demons.
He did not created demons, but the angels that became demons


Isa 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


So my brothers choose now between the God of the bible who cannot lie.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

And allah of the quoran who is the greatest deceiver

Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Nobody: 12:17pm On May 13, 2016
MakeWeTalk:
Guys the True God cannot create Evil, you need to be evil to create Evil.

Jinns were created by allah.

Allah says :

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire "
(Qur'an 15:26-27).


The God of the bible created angels who rebeled and became demons.
He did not created demons, but the angels that became demons


Isa 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


So my brothers choose now between the God of the bible who cannot lie.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

But your bible says otherwise:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, [size=18pt]and create evil[/size]: I the LORD do all these things.{kjv isaiah 45:7}

Seriously when will you guys stop lying?

And allah of the quoran who is the greatest deceiver

Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

The arabic words that you deceptively translated to "deceive/deception" got their root from the verb "makara" and makara is an Arabic word that means "to plan" so i dont know how to plan equals deception..

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by bash4us(m): 12:18pm On May 13, 2016
Jazakallah khairan. Very informative.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by finofaya: 12:25pm On May 13, 2016
See as una serious dey talk this kind thing.
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by MakeWeTalk: 12:37pm On May 13, 2016
lexiconkabir:


But your bible says otherwise:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, [size=18pt]and create evil[/size]: I the LORD do all these things.{kjv isaiah 45:7}

Seriously when will you guys stop lying?



The arabic words that you deceptively translated to "deceive/deception" got their root from the verb "makara" and makara is an Arabic word that means "to plan" so i dont know how to plan equals deception..

When God says He creates darkness & Evil that means He punishes.

For example God put darkness on Egypt for enslaving Israel.


Exodus 10: (KJV)

21 And the Lord said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven, that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.

22 And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven; and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:

23 They saw not one another, neither rose any from his place for three days: but all the children of Israel had light in their dwellings.

When God says He will do you evil, it means He will punish you.
God said He will punish the Pastors who deceive.

Jeremiah 23:2
Therefore thus saith the Lord God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the Lord.

Now allah on the other hand creates evil for no reason, even advices moslems not to take Christians & Jews as Friends.
Showing you that allah is not the God of Jews & Christians .

Surah 5:51
O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends: They are but friends to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

Funny enough allah himself says he is not our God.

As we all know that God introduced Himself first to the Jews and the Christians believed in Him.
Then came all different from the God of the Jews & Christians.
Hence confirming that allah is not God of the Jews and hence NOT GOD.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by sirnature: 12:37pm On May 13, 2016
Na rubbish full of una head....mental slavery mtchewwww

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by MakeWeTalk: 12:50pm On May 13, 2016
lexiconkabir the most glaring difference between God and allah, is in relation to your wife


Allah commands moslems to beat their wives

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"

Qur'an (4:34) -
" Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;

The God of the bible commands to love your wife



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcQTmcgkKA

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.


Now lexiconkabir if one God say's "Love your wife" and the Other say's "beat your wife",
we can easily conclude the two are different.


Again we can see that the God of the bible cannot lie, while allah is the greatest deceiver.

Allah is the greates deceiver as you can see


Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, f[b]or Allah is the best of deceivers [/b](Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

The God of the bible cannot lie

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

So the two are different.

I recommend the God who cannot lie to you my dear lexiconkabir.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Nobody: 1:10pm On May 13, 2016
MakeWeTalk:
Guys the True God cannot create Evil, you need to be evil to create Evil.

Jinns were created by allah.

Allah says :

"Indeed We created man from dried clay of black smooth mud. And We created the Jinn before that from the smokeless flame of fire "
(Qur'an 15:26-27).


The God of the bible created angels who rebeled and became demons.
He did not created demons, but the angels that became demons


Isa 14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.


So my brothers choose now between the God of the bible who cannot lie.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

And allah of the quoran who is the greatest deceiver

Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

1, You cannot apply your own rules to our own. Islam has its rules.

2, The author never said all Jinns are evil. There are good jinns. Jinn are another creation of Allah like human being. They have freewil to be good or bad. There are good human beings and bad ones. Let's assume it is your God that created human beings, why did he create bad human being?

NB to Muslim readers: We're not permitted to interfere with Jinns, good or bad.

3, I see you have to go to the extent of inserting words into qur'anic verses all to sell your Jesus.

4, You also went to the extent of lying that you're a Muslim just to be able to post here. Now we see who's "deceiving" before selling his religion.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by trappatoni(m): 1:15pm On May 13, 2016
lexiconkabir:


But your bible says otherwise:

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, [size=18pt]and create evil[/size]: I the LORD do all these things.{kjv isaiah 45:7}

Seriously when will you guys stop lying?



The arabic words that you deceptively translated to "deceive/deception" got their root from the verb "makara" and makara is an Arabic word that means "to plan" so i dont know how to plan equals deception..
I was shocked too when I saw that, it is translated as Allah is the best planner or schemer. People should stop interpreting to suit their perspective. OP has really done a nice job.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Nobody: 1:19pm On May 13, 2016
Op, thanks for the enlightening post.

I did similar thread here in 2009/2010.

Jinn activities are very rampant in our society. The only issue is even our people that are ordinarily knowledgeable in Islam still find it difficult to believe this thing they term "paranormal".

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Nobody: 1:19pm On May 13, 2016
Jarus:


1, You cannot apply your own rules to our own. Islam has its rules.

2, The author never said all Jinns are evil. There are good jinns. Jinn are another creation of Allah like human being. They have freewil to be good or bad. There are good human beings and bad ones. Let's assume it is your God that created human beings, why did he create bad human being?

NB to Muslim readers: We're not permitted to interfere with Jinns, good or bad.

3, I see you have to go to the extent of inserting words into qur'anic verses all to sell your Jesus.

4, You also went to the extent of lying that you're a Muslim just to be able to post here. Now we see who's "deceiving" before selling his religion.


Christianity has always been spread by demonizing other religions.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by Gkemz: 2:35pm On May 13, 2016
MakeWeTalk:
lexiconkabir the most glaring difference between God and allah, is in relation to your wife


Allah commands moslems to beat their wives

Qur'an (38:44) -
"And take in your hand a green branch
AND BEAT HER WITH IT,"

Qur'an (4:34) -
" Men are the maintainers of women because
Allah has made some of them to
....... BEAT THEM;

The God of the bible commands to love your wife



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hcQTmcgkKA

Ephesians 5:25 (KJV)
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;


Colossians 3:19
Husbands, LOVE YOUR WIVES,
and
BE NOT BITTER AGAINST THEM.


Now lexiconkabir if one God say's "Love your wife" and the Other say's "beat your wife",
we can easily conclude the two are different.


Again we can see that the God of the bible cannot lie, while allah is the greatest deceiver.

Allah is the greates deceiver as you can see


Surah 3:54
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, f[b]or Allah is the best of deceivers [/b](Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)!

Qur'an 7:99—Are they then safe from Allah's deception? No one feels safe from Allah's deception except those that shall perish.

Qur'an 8:30—And (remember) when the unbelievers plotted deception against you (O Muhammad), to imprison you, or kill you, or expel you. They plotted deception, but Allah also plotted deception; and Allah is the best of deceivers.

The God of the bible cannot lie

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

So the two are different.

I recommend the God who cannot lie to you my dear lexiconkabir.

I like your manner of comparison as you carefully and meticulously outlined the reasons why the God of the bible is the only true God of peace, love, repentance, reconciliation as he reconciled man with the father. Allah can't be compared with God of bible just as there's no comparison between light and darkness. l

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by MakeWeTalk: 3:07pm On May 13, 2016
Gkemz:


I like your manner of comparison as you carefully and meticulously outlined the reasons why the God of the bible is the only true God of peace, love, repentance, reconciliation as he reconciled man with the father. Allah can't be compared with God of bible just as there's no comparison between light and darkness. l

Spot On, I was muslim untill I noticed allah commands to beat your own wife.

In fact allah couldn't save mohammed and his followers the muslims

Sura 46:9
"I am not something original among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS)


Jesus on the other hand went to heaven in everybody's view

Acts 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.


NOT ONLY THAT JESUS PROMISES SALVATION TO ALL WHO BELIEVE HIM

Mark
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16[b] He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved[/b]; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

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Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 3:13pm On May 13, 2016
Gkemz:


I like your manner of comparison as you carefully and meticulously outlined the reasons why the God of the bible is the only true God of peace, love, repentance, reconciliation as he reconciled man with the father. Allah can't be compared with God of bible just as there's no comparison between light and darkness. l


Ok, you have been noted.
Re: Occult Activities Of The Jinn. by IdisuleOurOwn(m): 3:19pm On May 13, 2016
Jarus:
Op, thanks for the enlightening post.

I did similar thread here in 2009/2010.

Jinn activities are very rampant in our society. The only issue is even our people that are ordinarily knowledgeable in Islam still find it difficult to believe this thing they term "paranormal".


Yea, I saw the thread after this was created.


May Allah increase you in knowledge.

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