Somguy:
So much ignorance in this thread:

1) FGM is prevalent all over Africa - including Nigeria. In fact, Nigeria has the highest number of women who have suffered FGM: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3507121/

FGM is practised by people from all religions in Africa as it predates both Christianity and Islam.

2) Poverty and disease are not exclusive to Somalia. If you haven't noticed, all of Africa is poor. You losers are arguing over which country is slightly less shitty than the other. Meanwhile, Europeans and Asians are laughing at you all. Pathetic.

3) people generally stereotype African males as being misogynistic and having little respect for women. The way you talk about women in this thread only confirms that stereotype.

4) there are plenty of successful Somalis in the diaspora - mainly in Africa and the middle East. Some of the wealthiest men and women in East Africa are Somali and Somalis have even begun to push Indians away from their neighborhoods in places like Kenya. They are currently buying up property like there is no tomorrow:

http://chimurengachronic.co.za/the-rise-of-somali-capital-2/

One of the wealthiest families in Kenya is Somali, I believe they are worth over a billion dollars.

Not to mention the successful Somali businessmen and women in South Africa.

Of course Nigeria is a wealthier country than Somalia because it's much more populous, has huge natural resources (that are tapped) and has had functioning governments for many decades. Somalis are doing quite OK for a people who come from a war-torn country. The Somali diaspora in the West needs to get its act together though.


Finally, don't let some troll anger you to a level where you begin to insult innocent, impoverished people. It makes you look like a classless degenerate. What would I gain by making fun of poor Nigerians? The things I've seen on this forum are quite outrageous. Africans making fun of starving Africans. Not even the worst white racist would stoop so low.

Look here, Nigerians have zero problems with Somalis. Nigerians won't be saying anything negative things about Somalia and its people if your brother wasn't here saying negative things about Nigerians and other Africans outside the Horn.

Frankly, I'm pissed off at the occasional 'pacifiers' such as yourself who come here to tell the victims of daily provocations from your countryman, the Somali troll that they shouldn't make fun of Somalis blah blah blah.

It's not us you should be giving this sermon to. Take it to your brother. He always starts the insults. That's the only reason he has one million nairaland accounts --- to insult West Africans and Bantus. I don't know why you want to come at people who only pay him back in his own coin. Would you rather we just sit quietly and take his insults?

Wulfruna:


Look here, Nigerians have zero problems with Somalis. Nigerians won't be saying anything negative things about Somalia and its people if your brother wasn't here saying negative things about Nigerians and other Africans outside the Horn.

Frankly, I'm pissed off at the occasional 'pacifiers' such as yourself who come here to tell the victims of daily provocations from your countryman, the Somali troll that they shouldn't make fun of Somalis blah blah blah.

It's not us you should be giving this sermon to. Take it to your brother. He always starts the insults. That's the only reason he has one million nairaland accounts --- to insult West Africans and Bantus. I don't know why you want to come at people who only pay him back in his own coin. Would you rather we just sit quietly and take his insults?

Lol is everyone this rude here? I didn't give a "sermon'.

I've already told these trolls off. Maybe you haven't noticed. It's understandable that people will reply in kind to someone who keeps antagonizing them. But I would hope that most of you are mature enough to understand that by responding to these trolls, you are in fact "feeding" them. They want you to get angry and lose your cool. Why aren't they banned from this forum? Either ban them or ignore them, simple.

Somguy:
So much ignorance in this thread:




4) there are plenty of successful Somalis in the diaspora - mainly in Africa and the middle East. Some of the wealthiest men and women in East Africa are Somali and Somalis have even begun to push Indians away from their neighborhoods in places like Kenya. They are currently buying up property like there is no tomorrow:

http://chimurengachronic.co.za/the-rise-of-somali-capital-2/

One of the wealthiest families in Kenya is Somali, I believe they are worth over a billion dollars.

Not to mention the successful Somali businessmen and women in South Africa.

Of course Nigeria is a wealthier country than Somalia because it's much more populous, has huge natural resources (that are tapped) and has had functioning governments for many decades. Somalis are doing quite OK for a people who come from a war-torn country. The Somali diaspora in the West needs to get its act together though.


Finally, don't let some troll anger you to a level where you begin to insult innocent, impoverished people. It makes you look like a classless degenerate. What would I gain by making fun of poor Nigerians? The things I've seen on this forum are quite outrageous. Africans making fun of starving Africans. Not even the worst white racist would stoop so low.

For Someone who starts with "There is alot of ignorance in this thread", arent you supposed to be more informed.
Stereotyping goes both ways, the good stereotyping and bad stereotyping.

First of all, in Kenya, there are Kenyan-Somalis and Somalis(From Somali), rich Kenyan Somalis are just rich Kenyans, period. So for you to generalize 'somalis' is abit foolish.

2nd, There is no Kenyan who is worth more than $1Billion Dollars, the top 15 richest families in Kenya dont fearture a single Somali family.

3rd, Somalis are known to be traders who have created a supply chain of somalis from abroad to locally, If an average Somali was rich, don't you think Somali neighborhoods would be rich too? Don't you think they would be investing back in there hometowns like the rest of Kenyan communities do? I mean, If they are many,Why move into neighborhoods like Runda when you can build you're own neighbourhoods.


4th. Your stereotype assumption about Somalis in Kenya and in Africa in general doesn't hold much water, that link you posted looks more like a tale than a real story, its personal and very biased, posted on a website from southAfrica(the land of xenophobia). There are all kind of people living in rich surberbs in Kenya, these people living here are too rich and private to care about tribalism and ethnicity. If someone notices many somalis then its because people tend to notice other people that look different from them, you can know a somali by how he looks, you cant know the rest of black africans by just looking. The only way rich people start worrying about Somalis coming to their neighbohood is when things like this start happening

A Standard Eight pupil is being held by anti-terrorism police in Nairobi after he was rescued from an Al-Shabaab cell that is recruiting students, highlighting a development that has shocked the security system.

The 14-year-old is registered to sit the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education examination next month but, unknown to his family and teachers, the boy was recruited by Al-Shabaab agents operating in one of Nairobi’s most expensive suburbs where he was offered radical religious teachings and training on how to use guns.

The militants planned to sneak the boy, who is from a Christian family, into Somalia this December to join fighting units of the Al-Qaeda affiliated terrorist group.

He was an easy prey because the Shabaab cell set up camp in a house next to his home at a gated community in the upmarket estate, where the lowest monthly rent is Sh75,000.

Every day after school and during the weekends, he joined a group of about 20 other teenagers in the house where they were radicalised.

According to the boy, he was handed a pistol and showed how to use it, only that the lessons never involved firing live ammunition lest the gunshots stirred up the quiet neighbourhood.

Much to the astonishment of his mother, and officers who interrogated him, the boy gave a list of 19 other youngsters who are waiting to be smuggled into Somalia in December.

COMPENSATION

According to his statement, each one of them was promised $10 million (Sh1 billion) to help their families become rich as compensation for “work” they were expected to do in Somalia.

The boy also revealed that he was supposed to travel to Somalia in August, when another group of 20 left, but was left behind because he had not mastered all the teachings.

He was also waiting to be given a new name after dropping his Christian one.
read more: http://www.nation.co.ke/news/-/1056/2908226/-/13mwkhgz/-/index.html

5th, you should know that there are hundreds if not thousands of wealth suburbs in Kenya, every six months there is a new gated community opening up in Kenya with thousands of new houses. Now there are 3 Million Somalis in Kenya (6.3% of Kenyas population) and then there is an estimated 1million Somali refugees living in Kenya That makes it 4Million Somalis, Majority of more than 60% leave in North east Kenya which is one of the poorest regions in Kenya. But for the sake of this argument, lets assume that all the 4 million Somalis in Kenya are super rich. Lets also add the 79,000 people of Indian Origin (including those holding indian passports) that you somalis like to talk about, lets also add the less than 5thousands white people, Letsa say in total it makes 4.4Million rich Somlalis,whites,Idians in Kenya

Now, KEnya has the highest % of middleclass population in east and Central Africa at 44.9% of Population, roughly 20.2Million people....... So by logic 4.4Million people cannot dominate 20.2 Million People, The growth of real eastates in Kenya (which was the highest in the world in 2012. No 1 city was NAirobi, No. 2 was Mombasa, Number 3 was Miami, number 4 was Tokyo) cannot be attributed to a mere 4.4Million people, there are thousands of homes commimg up every month. Nowadays we even have super rich peolple building Private self sustained Cities, And non of them are led by a Somali so stop kidding yourself.There are hundreds of new suberbs in Nairobi that make the likes of Runda and Kileleshwa look like amatures. The rich neighbouhoods in Kenya have enough houses to fit the 4.4million 5 times over


Formal residential houses span for hundresds of miles in Nairobi,Mombasa and even other upcomming towns



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5561dCcYMiU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ882W2KFGA

If you interested, Go on youtube and search for a show called "The property show" or better yet here is a link https://www.youtube.com/user/PropertyShowKenya/videos Every week, they feature a different estate, you'll be humbled by the range of real estates and differerent locations around Kenya, from this show alon you will see that there are enough luxury houses to fit the whole Somali population in Kenya 10 times over

You seem like one of those people who are full of hate and envy. You actually sat down and wrote an essay on how terrible Somali people are lol. This is why people like you never succeed. Instead of building a legacy for yourself and your people, you would rather waste your time and energy on defecating on the success of others.

I love how you dismissed a thorough report on the rise of Somali capital in Kenya from an unbiased source because it's written by a South African ("the land of xenophobia" lol.

I also love how you managed to strip successful Kenyan-Somalis of their ethnic backgrounds as if they are "just' Kenyans. Fun fact: the business boom in places like Eastleigh is primarily driven by Somali refugees and not Kenyan citizens. Not that it makes any difference since we're talking about Somalis as an ethnic group. Most Somalis in Kenya arrived in the 90's.

Somalis are ancient traders and have been trading with foreign empires for thousands of years due to the strategic location of our country (look up the history of ancient cities like Mosylon, Opone, Mogadishu, Zeila and Berbera). We've always had trade connections with the far east, Persia, Rome, Greece, ancient Egypt etc.. Even today, Somali businessmen exploit good trade connections in the middle East and China which gives them an advantage over local traders. That and our clan system which allows us to pool our resources and make risky investments.

Let's see you squirm around these other articles and studies:

The neighbourhood is thought to reach $3m a day in black market currency trades alone. George says Somali traders also dominate soft commodity movements throughout the region, in everything from rice to sugar and flour.

“Most of this trade takes place off the radar, using a complex web of hawala lenders, local traders and businessmen. They operate in cash, outside the global banking system, channelling goods into east Africa and beyond,” says George. “Given the sheer volume of goods passing through Eastleigh, it is natural that commercial banks want to get involved in what is a very lucrative trade.”

https://next.ft.com/content/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0

Abstract
Since the collapse of the Somali state, Nairobi's Eastleigh estate has played host to thousands of Somali refugees and developed from a quiet residential suburb to a major East African commercial hub. This article examines this transformation, arguing that it builds on pre-existing cross border trade networks, as well as diaspora and Kenyan sources of capital, and regional and global processes that intensified in the early 1990s. The Eastleigh story provides a lens through which we trace economic changes associated with Somalia's extended statelessness, in particular how connective fabric has been generated and sustained in this stateless period. However, the Eastleigh story is not just one of Somali statelessness, but also of interaction with other states. In particular, this article focuses on the ambiguous relationship of Eastleigh to the Kenyan state, suggesting that Somali business in Eastleigh, although born of a collapsed state and informality, is integrated in various ways into the formal state-regulated sector. Furthermore, Eastleigh businesspeople hope for more Kenyan state involvement in the estate to provide better security and infrastructure, while Somali businesspeople in general long for a viable Somali state that will allow them to invest their capital at home. -

See more at: http://www.africanstudies.ox.ac.uk/somali-trade-networks-and-eastleigh-transformation#.dpuf

Eastleigh, a mass of crowds and color in the heart of Kenya’s capital, is like no other neighborhood in Nairobi.

Nicknamed “Little Mogadishu,” it has bloomed in the past decade into one of East Africa’s most vibrant commercial centers, built mostly by refugees from Somalia who came here after that country collapsed in the 1990s.

http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2014/0617/How-Kenya-s-war-on-terror-disrupts-a-thriving-Nairobi-district

Somalis are probably the most entrepreneurial people in Africa. The success of Somali businesspeople in countries like South Africa is unparallelled:

This is apparent in Johannesburg’s “Little Mogadishu” where the city’s Somali entrepreneurs thrive in streets full of busy shops selling everything from underwear to internet services at very low prices.

Furaa has teamed with other Somali businesspeople in South Africa to start programs that pass on entrepreneurial skills to unemployed South African youth, especially in the informal sector.

http://www.groundup.org.za/article/how-south-africans-are-learning-somali-businesses_3281/

http://thoughtprint.usb.ac.za/Pages/What-can-Somalis-teach-South-Africans-about-business.aspx

A thread from 2010 that's dedicated to tracking Somali business activities across Africa:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

Even in Somalia, despite the collapse of our country we have one of the strongest private sectors in Africa - especially in industries such as telecommunication,

http://www.economist.com/node/5328015

You should be happy that an African community is finding success in your country. It's funny how some of you people never objected to the Asian and white communities that exploited your people but are quick to hate on other Africans. Personally speaking, I have never hated on the success of others. The success of others does not detract from the success of my people. Why did you get defensive over my post? As if it's an insult to your people that other Africans have managed to find success in Kenya. This is the kind of mentality that holds Africans back.

But East Africa’s South Asians had long ago learned the value of organised ethnic capital. It was the secret to their success. Now they were being challenged from an unlikely quarter: the Somali community of Eastleigh.

It is this rapid evolution and the constant re-deployments of Somali capital that has baffled many outsiders. When the Kenyan government recently announced that it was embarking on a property audit in Nairobi, the intent was obvious: to establish a link between piracy and the expansion of Somali capital. Ignorant and more than a little envious of the sudden growth of Somali businesses, the Kenyan establishment suspected that much of the money coming into Eastleigh and dispersing into Nairobi real estate, as well as other sectors, was laundered pirate money. None of the studies and investigations subsequently conducted has confirmed such a link.

There can be little doubt that a certain amount of proceeds of piracy have also been invested in Kenya and other places in East Africa. Any audit, however, will have a difficult time proving that piracy is the bedrock of Somali capital’s expansionism. By this year, piracy proceeds amounted to less than $100 million. This is a fraction of what is generated across the spectrum of Somali business activities in Kenya. Moreover, it simply cannot explain the expansion of Somali capital before the boom in piracy ransoms began last year.

More than anything, then, Somali capital flowing through the hawala system allows it to be more mobile than other forms of ethnic capital. And because it is communal, it can be quickly mobilised to take advantage of new investment and trading opportunities. Similarly, because Somalis rely on family networks for their labour, they are able to keep recurrent costs at a minimum while extending a trading network across the diaspora. Today, remittances to Somalia are estimated at $2 billion. This, more than anything else, explains the growth of commerce in Eastleigh.

None of the shopping malls in Eastleigh are individually owned, I am informed by the shopping mall manager. People, mostly in the diaspora, pool their resources and make an acquisition and share out the profits.

“Our people in the West now no longer feel obligated to support family in Somalia by constantly sending money,” says Osman Moalim. Instead, they have created investment vehicles in which relatives can make a legitimate living.

Moalim attributes the rise of Somali capital to a simple principle: “We are risk takers. We don’t fear new opportunities or new places.”

http://chimurengachronic.co.za/the-rise-of-somali-capital-2/

Somalis are also doing quite well in Uganda:

Yet, despite their shattered hopes back home, the Somali community in Uganda has taken the economic landscape by storm, enjoying a commendable share of the country’s fuel industry, among other sectors. DEVAPRIYO DAS looks at this business community.

Hassan Ahmed, a Ugandan Somali, and Director of the prominent Somali-owned City Oil franchise, hints at the secret behind Somalis’ success in business. “Somalis have always had links to many areas of the world”, he says.

“With that link, they are able to have very good sourcing. Every time you source well, it will result in benefitting the consumer, because you are able to bring the costs down.”

That strategy bodes well with Uganda’s consumers who depend heavily on imports but whose purchasing power is low. It also explains why Somali businesses have become an accepted part of Uganda’s commercial life, covering essential services like fuel stations, foreign exchange, money transfer, and supermarkets.

http://www.observer.ug/component/content/article?id=5042:-devastated-at-home-somali-businesses-thrive-in-uganda

40oz:



Thanks for posting a pic of Dangote (richest man in Africa ) with a big nose, big lips black face and hard hair he can still buy your poor god forsaken country looool

Lol my ancestors weren't slaves little poor Somali, the ones you're looking for are in America, their ancestors may have been slaves but they're faaaaaaaaaaaar richer, more beautiful, more intelligent, more popular and more relevant than poor hungry Somalis lol. Their slave ancestors were better off than you poor Somalis of today. The only thing you hungry savages are known for is knaan, piracy and poverty

I'm not hating I'm saying the truth stop claiming to be Ethiopian/Eritrean poor Somali pirate run along and go eat some worms before your canoe sinks

Don't forget you're the one on a Nigerian site not the other way around

LMAO, is the OP ayanle?

this somali dude needs medication quick

Wulfruna:


The only thing wrong here is that nairaland's culture section has a troll problem. A lonely, mentally ill Somali needs Nigerians' attention to stay alive. When one moniker stops getting the attention he needs, he gets another one and tries again. That's what is wrong.

Amen, took the words out of my mouth

Somguy:
You seem like one of those people who are full of hate and envy. You actually sat down and wrote an essay on how terrible Somali people are lol. This is why people like you never succeed. Instead of building a legacy for yourself and your people, you would rather waste your time and energy on defecating on the success of others.

I love how you dismissed a thorough report on the rise of Somali capital in Kenya from an unbiased source because it's written by a South African ("the land of xenophobia" lol.

I also love how you managed to strip successful Kenyan-Somalis of their ethnic backgrounds as if they are "just' Kenyans. Fun fact: the business boom in places like Eastleigh is primarily driven by Somali refugees and not Kenyan citizens. Not that it makes any difference since we're talking about Somalis as an ethnic group. Most Somalis in Kenya arrived in the 90's.

Somalis are ancient traders and have been trading with foreign empires for thousands of years due to the strategic location of our country (look up the history of ancient cities like Mosylon, Opone, Mogadishu, Zeila and Berbera). We've always had trade connections with the far east, Persia, Rome, Greece, ancient Egypt etc.. Even today, Somali businessmen exploit good trade connections in the middle East and China which gives them an advantage over local traders. That and our clan system which allows us to pool our resources and make risky investments.

Let's see you squirm around these other articles and studies:



https://next.ft.com/content/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0



See more at: http://www.africanstudies.ox.ac.uk/somali-trade-networks-and-eastleigh-transformation#.dpuf




http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2014/0617/How-Kenya-s-war-on-terror-disrupts-a-thriving-Nairobi-district

Somalis are probably the most entrepreneurial people in Africa. The success of Somali businesspeople in countries like South Africa is unparallelled:



http://www.groundup.org.za/article/how-south-africans-are-learning-somali-businesses_3281/

http://thoughtprint.usb.ac.za/Pages/What-can-Somalis-teach-South-Africans-about-business.aspx

A thread from 2010 that's dedicated to tracking Somali business activities across Africa:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

Even in Somalia, despite the collapse of our country we have one of the strongest private sectors in Africa - especially in industries such as telecommunication,

http://www.economist.com/node/5328015

I happen to live in Kenya, You are a mass liar let us see this 'Somali Capital' in Kenya.Eastleigh

Now let us compare with other parts of the city run by Black Africans.
Upper Hill

westlands

Of the top 10 Richest Kenyan families.
4 are from Kenya's largest tribe, the Kikuyu
2 are Kalenjin
3 are Asian
1 is European.
None is Somali!!!

GERALD710:

I happen to live in Kenya, You are a mass liar let us see this 'Somali Capital' in Kenya.Eastleigh

I've quoted official sources, articles, studies. The facts don't lie.

Poor infrastructure and lack of proper sanitation only proves the failure of the government. The articles that I've quoted even mention this. You don't blame ordinary people and businesses for the government's neglect to do its job.

GERALD710:
Of the top 10 Richest Kenyan families.
4 are from Kenya's largest tribe, the Kikuyu
2 are Kalenjin
3 are Asian
1 is European.
None is Somali!!!

Corruption. Addressed in the articles. Maybe you should read before you comment.

Let's see. Financial times, the economist, Oxford university etc. VS. emotional BS from a hateful loser and some photos from Google.. Lol.. My sources are clearly unbiased. You, on the other hand, clearly have an anti-Somali bias for whatever reason.


This is why people like you never prosper.. You're busy hating on others instead of building your own legacy.

Somguy:


I've quoted official sources, articles, studies. The facts don't lie.

Poor infrastructure and lack of proper sanitation only proves the failure of the government. The articles that I've quoted even mention this. You don't blame ordinary people and businesses for the government's neglect to do its job.

You mean 'facts'that many dreamy eyed westerners try to paint of even slumy places of India as 'vibrant places of innovation '?

Somguy:


Corruption. Addressed in the articles. Maybe you should read before you comment.

Last I checked Somalis(Duale and his ilk )do massive corruption.
In addition to money laundering (especially in 2011-2012) and terrorism financing via the hawalla system.

GERALD710:

You mean 'facts'that many dreamy eyed westerners try to paint of even slumy places of India as 'vibrant places of innovation '?

Read the actual articles and research papers. This isn't a matter of personal opinion. Your logic is quite primitive to say the least.

Poor infrastructure is the responsibility of the government.

Somguy:


Read the actual articles and research papers. This isn't a matter of personal opinion. Your logic is quite primitive to say the least.

Poor infrastructure is the responsibility of the government.

stop calling other nigerians primitive for backfiring these trolls and start schooling your somali brothers about respecting us.
The only reason why we reply to these trolls is because our Mods don't do anything about them, let them post BS regularly and post pictures of your women.
These threads are then searchable on google, people would see the racism and hate spread form these Somalis online. a lot of the pictures and posts are taunting nigerians and spreading this type of somali supremacy, it making a lot of Nigerians dislike Somalis that they've never seen before.

Rivertemz:

stop calling other nigerians primitive for backfiring these trolls and start schooling your somali brothers about respecting us.
The only reason why we reply to these trolls is because our Mods don't do anything about them, let them post BS regularly and post pictures of your women.
These threads are then searchable on google, people would see the racism and hate spread form these Somalis online. a lot of the pictures and posts are taunting nigerians and spreading this type of somali supremacy, it making a lot of Nigerians dislike Somalis that they've never seen before.

I'm not allowed to state that I believe one person's logic is primitive? Why are you making this Nigeria vs Somalia? I was arguing with one Nigerian person, not the whole nation. And I rep myself, not my entire people.

As for what you said regarding the trolls, then I wholeheartedly agree with you and I have spoken up against them as much as I could.

Somguy:


I'm not allowed to state that I believe one person's logic is primitive? Why are you making this Nigeria vs Somalia? I was arguing with one Nigerian person, not the whole nation. And I rep myself, not my entire people.

As for what you said regarding the trolls, then I wholeheartedly agree with you and I have spoken up against them as much as I could.

yes this comment was made before you replied to me about your point of view so sorry ignore it lol

Rivertemz:
yes this comment was made before you replied to me about your point of view so sorry ignore it lol

Ok bro, no problem

denisfidha:

For Someone who starts with "There is alot of ignorance in this thread", arent you supposed to be more informed.
Stereotyping goes both ways, the good stereotyping and bad stereotyping.

First of all, in Kenya, there are Kenyan-Somalis and Somalis(From Somali), rich Kenyan Somalis are just rich Kenyans, period. So for you to generalize 'somalis' is abit foolish.

2nd, There is no Kenyan who is worth more than $1Billion Dollars, the top 15 richest families in Kenya dont fearture a single Somali family.

3rd, Somalis are known to be traders who have created a supply chain of somalis from abroad to locally, If an average Somali was rich, don't you think Somali neighborhoods would be rich too? Don't you think they would be investing back in there hometowns like the rest of Kenyan communities do? I mean, If they are many,Why move into neighborhoods like Runda when you can build you're own neighbourhoods.


4th. Your stereotype assumption about Somalis in Kenya and in Africa in general doesn't hold much water, that link you posted looks more like a tale than a real story, its personal and very biased, posted on a website from southAfrica(the land of xenophobia). There are all kind of people living in rich surberbs in Kenya, these people living here are too rich and private to care about tribalism and ethnicity. If someone notices many somalis then its because people tend to notice other people that look different from them, you can know a somali by how he looks, you cant know the rest of black africans by just looking. The only way rich people start worrying about Somalis coming to their neighbohood is when things like this start happening




5th, you should know that there are hundreds if not thousands of wealth suburbs in Kenya, every six months there is a new gated community opening up in Kenya with thousands of new houses. Now there are 3 Million Somalis in Kenya (6.3% of Kenyas population) and then there is an estimated 1million Somali refugees living in Kenya That makes it 4Million Somalis, Majority of more than 60% leave in North east Kenya which is one of the poorest regions in Kenya. But for the sake of this argument, lets assume that all the 4 million Somalis in Kenya are super rich. Lets also add the 79,000 people of Indian Origin (including those holding indian passports) that you somalis like to talk about, lets also add the less than 5thousands white people, Letsa say in total it makes 4.4Million rich Somlalis,whites,Idians in Kenya

Now, KEnya has the highest % of middleclass population in east and Central Africa at 44.9% of Population, roughly 20.2Million people....... So by logic 4.4Million people cannot dominate 20.2 Million People, The growth of real eastates in Kenya (which was the highest in the world in 2012. No 1 city was NAirobi, No. 2 was Mombasa, Number 3 was Miami, number 4 was Tokyo) cannot be attributed to a mere 4.4Million people, there are thousands of homes commimg up every month. Nowadays we even have super rich peolple building Private self sustained Cities, And non of them are led by a Somali so stop kidding yourself.There are hundreds of new suberbs in Nairobi that make the likes of Runda and Kileleshwa look like amatures. The rich neighbouhoods in Kenya have enough houses to fit the 4.4million 5 times over


Formal residential houses span for hundresds of miles in Nairobi,Mombasa and even other upcomming towns



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5561dCcYMiU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ882W2KFGA

If you interested, Go on youtube and search for a show called "The property show" or better yet here is a link https://www.youtube.com/user/PropertyShowKenya/videos Every week, they feature a different estate, you'll be humbled by the range of real estates and differerent locations around Kenya, from this show alon you will see that there are enough luxury houses to fit the whole Somali population in Kenya 10 times over

Denis, I do not think u are really accurate about the population of Indians and the white pipo in Kenya. it is infact much higher than the figures u have quoted above. Indian population in Kenya is somewhere around 300,000 while the whites (holding Kenyan citizenship) are estimated at around 32,000. http://www.africaranking.com/african-countries-with-highest-white-population/

Somguy:
You seem like one of those people who are full of hate and envy. You actually sat down and wrote an essay on how terrible Somali people are lol. This is why people like you never succeed. Instead of building a legacy for yourself and your people, you would rather waste your time and energy on defecating on the success of others.

I love how you dismissed a thorough report on the rise of Somali capital in Kenya from an unbiased source because it's written by a South African ("the land of xenophobia" lol.

I also love how you managed to strip successful Kenyan-Somalis of their ethnic backgrounds as if they are "just' Kenyans. Fun fact: the business boom in places like Eastleigh is primarily driven by Somali refugees and not Kenyan citizens. Not that it makes any difference since we're talking about Somalis as an ethnic group. Most Somalis in Kenya arrived in the 90's.

Somalis are ancient traders and have been trading with foreign empires for thousands of years due to the strategic location of our country (look up the history of ancient cities like Mosylon, Opone, Mogadishu, Zeila and Berbera). We've always had trade connections with the far east, Persia, Rome, Greece, ancient Egypt etc.. Even today, Somali businessmen exploit good trade connections in the middle East and China which gives them an advantage over local traders. That and our clan system which allows us to pool our resources and make risky investments.

Let's see you squirm around these other articles and studies:



https://next.ft.com/content/d4979b30-bf98-11e1-bb88-00144feabdc0



See more at: http://www.africanstudies.ox.ac.uk/somali-trade-networks-and-eastleigh-transformation#.dpuf




http://m.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2014/0617/How-Kenya-s-war-on-terror-disrupts-a-thriving-Nairobi-district

Somalis are probably the most entrepreneurial people in Africa. The success of Somali businesspeople in countries like South Africa is unparallelled:



http://www.groundup.org.za/article/how-south-africans-are-learning-somali-businesses_3281/

http://thoughtprint.usb.ac.za/Pages/What-can-Somalis-teach-South-Africans-about-business.aspx

A thread from 2010 that's dedicated to tracking Somali business activities across Africa:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1300633

Even in Somalia, despite the collapse of our country we have one of the strongest private sectors in Africa - especially in industries such as telecommunication,

http://www.economist.com/node/5328015

You are not being envied by anybody. That is a very flawed perception amongst some of u somalis. Instead, the other Africans are suspicious of u, they arent sure about your loyalty to Kenya cos since the independence, u have been fighting against Kenya due to your unwillingness to be under the govt controlled by bantus. You have been wishing to secede and join Somalia.

And now that we have this problem of terrorism, with your pipo associated with this militant group called the Al shabaab that is hell bent on destroying Kenya........the other citizens of Kenya are suspicious of u. They just cant help it.
It has nothing to do with your entrepreneurial prowess cos if anything, the pipo who dominate the Kenyan economy are in fact the Kikuyus, a bantu tribe. not u the Somalis.
If I may ask, how many giant companies are owned by somalis in Kenya? The banks,hotels,supermarkets, schools, energy firms etc? I know not of one. Most somali businesses are small scale in nature, selling such items as clothes, blankets, curtains, perfumes...etc. But again, there many more bantus who are involved in similar ventures.

Now, google the richest pipo in Kenya.....all the top thirty of them, none includes a somali.

http://showbizxklusivs..co.ke/2011/05/top-100-richest-kenyans.html

Hbuyosh:


You are not being envied by anybody. That is a very flawed perception amongst some of u somalis. Instead, the other Africans are suspicious of u, they arent sure about your loyalty to Kenya cos since the independence, u have been fighting against Kenya due to your unwillingness to be under the govt controlled by bantus. You have been wishing to secede and join Somalia.

And now that we have this problem of terrorism, with your pipo associated with this militant group called the Al shabaab that is hell bent on destroying Kenya........the other citizens of Kenya are suspicious of u. They just cant help it.
It has nothing to do with your entrepreneurial prowess cos if anything, the pipo who dominate the Kenyan economy are in fact the Kikuyus, a bantu tribe. not u the Somalis.
If I may ask, how many giant companies are owned by somalis in Kenya? The banks,hotels,supermarkets, schools, energy firms etc? I know not of one. Most somali businesses are small scale in nature, selling such items as clothes, blankets, curtains, perfumes...etc. But again, there many more bantus who are involved in similar ventures.

Now, google the richest pipo in Kenya.....all the top thirty of them, none includes a somali.

http://showbizxklusivs..co.ke/2011/05/top-100-richest-kenyans.html

Infact in my 20 something years as a kenyan, I have never met or heard of a wealthy Somali, I mean I know they must be out there but I really don't know any,
I dont know why everytime a Somali wants to brag abt their people they have to go back to when they had empires.... its so pathetic, these somalis that ran away from their country in the 80-90s need to go back home for some reality check. They live in such a ridiculous fantacy world.
He should know the Romans had one of the greatest empires the world ever knew, now italy is nothing but a tourist site compared to other 1st world countries.
The Greeks, oh the greek army is legendary, but in in the 21st century, the Greeks are a mockery in Europe.
The brits colonized half the world including the US for all kinds of resources, nowadays they answer to US.

And then here comes a lunatic that beleves Somali refugees are rich...like seriously, and then he says the rich ones in eastlegh are refugees and the kenyan somalis are not. People really like to imagine

I can also bring articles of an influx of rich south sudanees who have been buying prime properties in kenya, the same for Ethiopians in some certain upmarket areas..... doesnt make then the richest ppl in kenya



, lets try imagine the situation was reversed, if kenyans or any other black ppl were the refugees who sought refuge in Somalia in large, do you think they would exist now? They would have all been finished and probably accused of "contaminating the somali race" just find out stories of what happen when a muslim somali converts to Christianity, there was one somali who ended up living his home in my hometown, he was stabbed and beated and left for dead.
Also google about how the bajunis are mistreated in somalia because are not "pure".

Its good you asked him to name the so called companies owned by somali refugees. He should name atleast 10 of them that are in top 500 companies. Lets see if he can put that fantacy in reality

Hbuyosh:


Denis, I do not think u are really accurate about the population of Indians and the white pipo in Kenya. it is infact much higher than the figures u have quoted above. Indian population in Kenya is somewhere around 300,000 while the whites (holding Kenyan citizenship) are estimated at around 32,000. http://www.africaranking.com/african-countries-with-highest-white-population/

My bad. But still, my point was to compare the middle class and above, even if they reached a million each, they still wont be anywhere near 20million for them to dominate the real eastete markert in Kenya

First of all I am stating from a position of FACT.
In ALL sectors of the Kenyan economy, there is not a single Somali owned company or Somali owned business in the top 5 or even in the top 10 except for two, both in the petroleum retail sector and none of the two are in the top 5.
Kikuyus stand out as being not ony the dominant community in terms of numbers but also the number of kikuyu owned companies dominating the private sector where they dominate every sector except manufacturing.
Let us compare
Agriculture;Tea, 70% grown by KTDA a government parastatal, 30% by multinationals,no Somalis
Coffee: 73% of Kenyan coffee is grown in Central Kenya, by Kikuyus
Horticulture: Flowers are grown by Europeans while fruits and vegetables like snow peas and sweet corn require a cool climate found in...Central Kenya
Livestock: Maasais as evidenced by the fact that KMC is located in Athi River and Mombasa, not anywhere near North Eastern Kenya where Somalis live. There are commercial group ranches owned by Maasais and Europeans in Kenya. Somalis with t5heir clan rivalry can never unite to do such a concept.
Sugarcane: Western And Nyanza.
So Agriculture... No Somalis
Let us go to Banking.
The largest banks in Kenya by profits in 2015-2016 are:
KCB-govenment of Kenya
Equity- Founded by Kikuyus
Barclays-multinational
Coopreative Bank- owned by cooperatives that Somalis cannot participate in coz of the interest is against their faith issues. Despite the fact that muslim coastal Arabs do have cooperatives.
Diamond Trust-Owned by Kenya Asians
Standard Chartered-Multinational
Chase Bank-Multinational
CBA-Owned by the President's family
I&M BANK-Kenyan Asian owned
No Somali owned bank in the top 10(or top 20 even)
Transport Sector- In Nairobi Public transport is dominated by Kikuyus, same to Mombasa,Nakuru,Eldoret and Kisii. Most matatu saccos are registered in central kenya names.
Long distance transport of both passengers and cargo is almost an exclusive of Coastal Arabs and Swahilis.
Half of Kenya's manufacturing sector is made up of multinationals(down from 70% in 2007) and the other half is dominated by Asians like vimal shah,manhu chandaria, nuresh merali and the likes. Africans present in the manufacturing sector are from the Kikuyu and Kalenjin communities like Chris Kirubi. Coastal Arabs also have industries at the coast.
Education: While 100% of the children in Kirinyaga county in Central Kenya are in School, half of the Somalis especially girls are not. In fact in 2007, Wajir East had no girls as KCSE candidates. Patriachy and Mysogyny at its best. As Central Kenyans unite to contribute funds to build schools, what are North Easterners doing
Hospitality:Tourism is Kenya's biggest earner. Not a single 3 star, 4 star 5 star or 7 star hotel in Kenya is owned by a Somali.The Govebnment of Kenya, Asians,Coasterians(Arabs,Swahilis,Taitas,Mijikenda),Kikuyus, Kenyan Europeans,Maasais, Kambas(In fact the tourism sector is the sector where no one community can claim dominance) are all present.But not Somalis, Malka Mari National Park, Boni and Rahole reserves and the Garissa giraffe sanctuary , all in North Eastern Kenya notwithstanding. Instead, non Kenyan Somalis have been engaged in poaching in Tsavo.
As for Infrastructure development.
The government has always had the policy of developing infrastructure in places where the most money is made. That is why the CBD and Upper Hill have 100% Tarmac.
I have tarmac, 24 hour water supply and none of the power blackouts that plague Eastlands as the Parklands and Westalnds areas are high end areas with commercial properties occupied by multinationals.
The fact that neighbouring Komarock and Buruburu have tarmacked roads, a working sewage system and adequate lighting tells me even Buruburu's small Commercial area has more priority than the entire 'Rich' eastleigh.
And last I checked, it is not the Government that build the houses in Eastleigh but private individuals.In all the pictures, we can see the architectual horrorshow that Nairobi's Eastleigh is.
Especially compared to 'No Somalis found here' Karen,Langata,Westlands,Parklands,Kitsuru, Gigiri,Nyari,Benhard,Embakasi Nyayo, Southlands Kilimani,Kileleshwa, Riverside,Chiromo or Mountainview.

denisfidha:

Infact in my 20 something years as a kenyan, I have never met or heard of a wealthy Somali, I mean I know they must be out there but I really don't know any,
I dont know why everytime a Somali wants to brag abt their people they have to go back to when they had empires.... its so pathetic, these somalis that ran away from their country in the 80-90s need to go back home for some reality check. They live in such a ridiculous fantacy world.
He should know the Romans had one of the greatest empires the world ever knew, now italy is nothing but a tourist site compared to other 1st world countries.
The Greeks, oh the greek army is legendary, but in in the 21st century, the Greeks are a mockery in Europe.
The brits colonized half the world including the US for all kinds of resources, nowadays they answer to US.

And then here comes a lunatic that beleves Somali refugees are rich...like seriously, and then he says the rich ones in eastlegh are refugees and the kenyan somalis are not. People really like to imagine

I can also bring articles of an influx of rich south sudanees who have been buying prime properties in kenya, the same for Ethiopians in some certain upmarket areas..... doesnt make then the richest ppl in kenya



, lets try imagine the situation was reversed, if kenyans or any other black ppl were the refugees who sought refuge in Somalia in large, do you think they would exist now? They would have all been finished and probably accused of "contaminating the somali race" just find out stories of what happen when a muslim somali converts to Christianity, there was one somali who ended up living his home in my hometown, he was stabbed and beated and left for dead.
Also google about how the bajunis are mistreated in somalia because are not "pure".

Its good you asked him to name the so called companies owned by somali refugees. He should name atleast 10 of them that are in top 500 companies. Lets see if he can put that fantacy in reality

Well, there are well-to-do somalis living in Kenya, at least. But you tell me, have u ever ever encountered a somali doctor, engineer, architect, lecturer or even a mechanic, carpenter etc? Do somalis fly airplanes? I have never seen a somali pilot! Have u ever seen a somali man or woman at a construction site? Why are they so under-represented in such careers? And even amongst this ''wealthy'' business communities, have u ever encountered one selling such items as cars or building materials etc? It is always perfumes, curtains and foodstuffs that these pipo always sell.

Most, in the name of boycotting bantu-nilotic led govt of Kenya, arent even educated to be able to hold down good jobs. And these are the pipo that brag about dominating Kenyan, Nigerian, SAn economies?!
Kenyans mistrust them cos they have never wanted to be led the ''adhome'', as they refer to the rest of us black Africans. If Somalia were to return to peace (and we pray it does), will these somalis still choose to remain as part of Kenya or will they start the rebellion all over again to break away from Kenya?

While they are busy ''dominating'' our economies selling curtains and perfumes, here we are, clinching such lucrative tenders in there homeland, laying culverts and building roads.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuRZrW2Ii54

Go to Hollywood and ask the movie directors and producers why they don't feature Somali women in their movies... why come to a Nigerian forum and ask us?

AbzDore:
Somali people are probably the most beautiful people in the world. Somali girls signature features include naturally long soft hair (not a weave), have high cheekbones, very feminine small ankles/wrists and long necks. They are what society would call the ideal model. It's also very common to see most of them with a natural kim kardashian/minaj bottom but they are not actors, models, and singers. A majority of African Americans with fake hair and big noses represented but not Somalis. Why?

Somalis are blessed with rich culture, beautiful women etc.