I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible

unphilaz:
Hia why are muslim so insecure...
hockey ....

Mustymatic....

etc

Please can you come here at least 5 muslims to start....this discussion on why YOU must worship Jesus Christ as Son of God....

You accept that He is Man... rightly so

You accept that He is Prophet... rightly so

But

You choose not to accept that He is Son of God... wrongly so

So come in and boast that you will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God, if someone will show you... by simply stating it that

unphilaz:
Am still waiting for muslims who boasted that they will convert if one shows them from the bible where Jesus Christ claimed divinity!

unphilaz:
Hia why are muslim so insecure...
hockey ....

Mustymatic....

etc

Please can you come here at least 5 muslims to start....this discussion on why YOU must worship Jesus Christ as Son of God....

You accept that He is Man... rightly so

You accept that He is Prophet... rightly so

But

You choose not to accept that He is Son of God... wrongly so

So come in and boast that you will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God, if someone will show you... by simply stating it that

ValentineMary:
[s]Please forgive my disobedience but as much as I am an atheist, I would not like anyone to accept that Jesus had a divine nature considering that his nature was debated on until 300A.D which is about 267 years after his death. Bishops at the council of Nicea collectively decided Jesus nature without concrete proof of his divinity. Have this in mind if u are to accept that Jesus is in any way a God.[/s]

mustymatic:

Whoa....u don't need to show me, you are a son of your father because he slept with your mother.
What kinda god would do that?
Even in ur bible he says he's son of man...why so? again

habicab:


You don't need to seek for people who boast, it's simply a matter of clearing doubts. If you really have genuine points, place them and you will automatically get the attention that you need. If not, you will just keep saying the same thing all over again.

I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible

And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know.

[We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

Surah 16:43-45

Lordgel:
Please stop this debate. Repent and accept Jesus before it is too late. Rapture is imminent! www.devinerevelations.info

unphilaz:




By this its fair to conclude that you guys are ready for the below and probably more will follow soon...



Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

ifenes:
Why can't christians accept Islam? What if you are all heading to the wrong heaven?

unphilaz:


Hello its not a debate par se but an avenue to show that Jesus Christ is not just Man(Son of Man), Prophet but Son of God

unphilaz:


Hello its not a debate par se but an avenue to show that Jesus Christ is not just Man(Son of Man), Prophet but Son of God

unphilaz:




By this its fair to conclude that you guys are ready for the below and probably more will follow soon...



Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

truthmans2012:


Allah has lied to them that Jesus is not the Son of God. He said it is possible for Mary to have a son without a husband but not possible for himself to have a son without a wife. Unless islamic spirits (jinns) are cast cast out of their lives, they cannot believe Jesus is the Son of God.

habicab:


Welcome Truthmans2012, you are here as usual... I'm sure you have a copy of the Qur'an...kindly read and digest the 112th chapter of the Qur'an for your information. That is simply the touchstone of theology.

Also from the several posts of yours that I have often come across, it's obvious that you are having a problem knowing the meaning of Allah. If that's true, you should try to humble yourself and ask those who have the knowledge before castigating mindlessly. You never can tell, you might be insulting the Father who has sent Jesus Christ of Nazareth without even perceiving it.

habicab:


Welcome Truthmans2012, you are here as usual... I'm sure you have a copy of the Qur'an...kindly read and digest the 112th chapter of the Qur'an for your information. That is simply the touchstone of theology.

Also from the several posts of yours that I have often come across, it's obvious that you are having a problem knowing the meaning of Allah. If that's true, you should try to humble yourself and ask those who have the knowledge before castigating mindlessly. You never can tell, you might be insulting the Father who has sent Jesus Christ of Nazareth without even perceiving it.

truthmans2012:


No, you missed it. Allah is not the Father of Jesus. Allahh is not a father, he does not beget neither is he begotten. That shows he is not the God of the Bible who has many children, including me. Since he is not the God of the Bible, from where did he emanate after thousands of years Yahweh had been God? Allah is one of the 360 idols in Arabia, who used Muhammad to promote himself to the status of the true God. Muhammad must have realized that by now but lacks the opportunity to send a message to muslims. It is a pity.

habicab:


It's now very obvious that despite claiming to be a christian, you certainly don't understand the language of the bible you are holding. If you don't know, let me educate you a little...

The concept of Father and son in the bible doe's not refer to the father that begets son, it's simply that of a God and His obedient servant. If you look well in the bible, The Father(GOD) has sons by the tons there in. Maybe you have never come across the verse which says... "All those who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God". I'm sure you know the reference, so I don't need to tell you that. But if you need that I can as well provide it for you.

Seek for the truth and it shall set you free.

habicab:


It's now very obvious that despite claiming to be a christian, you certainly don't understand the language of the bible you are holding. If you don't know, let me educate you a little...

The concept of Father and son in the bible doe's not refer to the father that begets son, it's simply that of a God and His obedient servant. If you look well in the bible, The Father(GOD) has sons by the tons there in. Maybe you have never come across the verse which says... "All those who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God". I'm sure you know the reference, so I don't need to tell you that. But if you need that I can as well provide it for you.

Seek for the truth and it shall set you free.

promise10:

Man, you think you are right.

U failed it a big time man.

You are wrong

Son(jesus) means the incarnate man of God, the spirit/word of God, the word made flesh.

John 1:1 in the beginning, was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.

mustymatic:
6. The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in
trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus
(pbuh) as to which was the first commandment
of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated
what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the
Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement
find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various
verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual
mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to
Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh)
rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to
him, and explained his miracles as the power of
the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of
monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets
of Almighty God.
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from
the King James Version.
III) Concept of God in Old Testament:
1. God is One
The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy
contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah
The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:
(i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is
no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
(ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no
God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
(iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God,
and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

habicab:


To start with, The Noble Qur'an was referring to the true and unadulterated revelation given to Jesus Christ (Isa, Peace be upon him).

It is also important to note that the Noble Qur'an has only ONE version (That which is, has been and will always be exactly how it was revealed over 1400 years ago without any addition and subtraction there in) unlike the Bible which is known to have numerous versions.

I will like to ask, out of all the numerous versions of the bible, which one do you intend to use for this purpose and kindly give reasons why you will be using it as against other versions?

Thanks.

And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know.

[We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

Surah 16:43-45

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...

unphilaz:


Aight, noted the bolded, now throwing the ball into your court, where can i find this revelation which the koran is pointing US to... can you present it up for us to use as yardstick to present Jesus Christ as Son of God! Waiting!!!



The italics is for another thread which i will explore further.



Since you did not address this you are in perfect agreement. However, we cannot continue until you present the revelation to Jesus Christ which we would use for this discussion.

habicab:


It's now very obvious that despite claiming to be a christian, you certainly don't understand the language of the bible you are holding. If you don't know, let me educate you a little...

The concept of Father and son in the bible [b]doe's not refer to the father that begets son, it's simply that of a God and His obedient servant. If you look well in the bible, The Father(GOD) has sons by the tons there in. Maybe you have never come across the verse which says... "All those who are led by the spirit of God are sons of God". I'm sure you know the reference, so I don't need to tell you that. But if you need that I can as well provide it for you.
[/b]
Seek for the truth and it shall set you free.

And We sent not before you except men to whom We revealed [Our message]. So ask the people of the message if you do not know.

[We sent them] with clear proofs and written ordinances. And We revealed to you the message that you may make clear to the people what was sent down to them and that they might give thought.

Surah 16:43-45

mustymatic:
6. The First Commandment is that God is One
The Bible does not support the Christian belief in
trinity at all. One of the scribes once asked Jesus
(pbuh) as to which was the first commandment
of all, to which Jesus (pbuh) merely repeated
what Moses (pbuh) had said earlier:
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adonai Ikhad."
This is a Hebrew quotation, which means:
"Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord."
[The Bible, Mark 12:29]
It is striking that the basic teachings of the
Church such as Trinity and vicarious atonement
find no mention in the Bible. In fact, various
verses of the Bible point to Jesus’ (pbuh) actual
mission, which was to fulfill the law revealed to
Prophet Moses (pbuh). Indeed Jesus (pbuh)
rejected any suggestions that attributed divinity to
him, and explained his miracles as the power of
the One True God.
Jesus (pbuh) thus reiterated the message of
monotheism that was given by all earlier prophets
of Almighty God.
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from
the King James Version.
III) Concept of God in Old Testament:
1. God is One
The following verse from the book of Deuteronomy
contains an exhortation from Moses (pbuh):
"Shama Israelu Adonai Ila Hayno Adna Ikhad".
It is a Hebrew quotation which means:
"Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord"
[The Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4]
2. Unity of God in the Book of Isaiah
The following verses are from the Book of Isaiah:
(i) "I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is
no saviour."
[The Bible, Isaiah 43:11]
(ii) "I am Lord, and there is none else, there is no
God besides me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 45:5]
(iii) "I am God, and there is none else; I am God,
and there is none like me."
[The Bible, Isaiah 46:9]

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.

nasiayam:


+1 amazing post

I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible

mustymatic:

Brother, for the bible to have numerous versions only goes to show how unreliable it is...even amongst you Christians. Corrupted
Peace!

I will convert and believe that Jesus is Son of God if unphilaz will show me in the bible

Now, to put forth a standard which we will agree upon...

1. The Jesus Christ in the Scripture is same as the Isa in the koran...
2. You agree that the Scripture in circulation is the BOOK that the Koran spoke of and its same as when mohammed met christians... if you have any objection... please give us the BOOK refered in this Surah, if you have none, then it means the current Scripture is the Book.