KidStranglehold:


You need to know the difference between GDP and GDP per capita. GDP is just the wealth of the nations economy. GDP per capita actually touches base on the individuals of a specific country. India in terms of GDP per capita is actually POORER than Nigeria!

As for your second paragraph that is an argument for another time.

PS: India does not have the third largest economy. Its actually Japan.

Fulaman198:


http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-04-30/news/49523310_1_capita-income-third-largest-economy-world-gdp

KidStranglehold:


According to this site. Japan is third in GDP, but India is third in PPP.
http://knoema.com/nwnfkne/world-gdp-ranking-2015-data-and-charts

Fulaman198:
According to the above article, India has the 3rd largest PPP which means "PPP is an attempt at a relative measure, taking factors of each country into consideration in order to put a number on a person’s standard of living within that country." (taken from https://applebutterdreams./the-difference-between-gdp-nominal-and-gdp-ppp/) so it means that the average Indian is living pretty well from a GDP PPP perspective

KidStranglehold:



PPP(Purchasing Power Parity) is not GDP per capita which measure the individuals income of a nation. India in GDP per capita is still far behind.

Fulaman198:


And if you know what PPP is: "PPP is an attempt at a relative measure, taking factors of each country into consideration in order to put a number on a person’s standard of living within that country."

This means that Indians are doing quite well.

An economic theory that estimates the amount of adjustment needed on the exchange rate between countries in order for the exchange to be equivalent to each currency's purchasing power.

GDP per capita is a measure of average income per person in a country. GDP stands for Gross domestic product. This measure National income / National Output and National expenditure. GDP per capita divides the GDP by the population.

KidStranglehold:


The reason I am focusing on Nigerians in America, because this is what this topic is about. Nigerian immigrants in America vs African Americans in America. I don't know about Nigerian education culture in Nigeria itself, but again I do know that Nigerians in America for the most part in my experience come from well off families from their country and do not represent the average Nigeria. Again this one Nigerian also told me this. I am aware that Nigerians are in many other countries and I am already aware that they are the top pupils in the UK.

As for the bolded, that is EXACTLY what I am talking about when I say "skrewed numbers". My point is we shouldn't use small successful populations as representation of an entire population whether they are African-American or Nigerian.

For example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfbb4pvK3VA

I can easily be like, "SEE! SEE! If these African-Americans can make it big in South Africa then why can't these lazy Black South Africans!" Saying this while also ignoring those AA businessmen in South Africa never lived under the brutal apartheid like black South Africans that actually made whites have a headstart compared to those black South Africans. Again this is what this thread is about.

bigfrancis21:


Yea, you're focusing on the small picture and choosing to compare the small Nigerian population in the US to the entire African American population of US, which is not a fair comparison.

bigfrancis21:


I have been trying to present the bigger picture to you here. If you are going to compare Nigerians with AAs, you should look at the bigger picture to be honest.

bigfrancis21:

Second, yes some rich or well-off Nigerians often send their families to live in the United states. These are usually politicians in Nigeria or big wigs in the country or business men who send their kids or families abroad to live and or to study. These people come into the US rich and to mostly live or enjoy life. Many times, families of these people need not work extra hard as they are often supported by their rich relatives back home. This group is only a small percentage of the overall Nigerians in Nigeria. I am not referring to those people. I am referring to those who get to the US with nothing and become something by sheer handwork.

Third, I would not hinge too much onto what one Nigerian told you. He may as well have been the son of a politician or big wig in the country and spoke from his own experience. I am referring to the many Nigerians coming here come as students, either for undergraduate or masters, and proceed from there or others who came in during the green card lottery process of many years ago or those who got in here on visitor's visa and were able to find their feet afterwards.

KidStranglehold:


Then post studies debunking the ones I posted. When many recent studies states Asians and Indians who come to the USA already come from well-off families.

We can ignore this all we want.

The truth about Asian Americans' success (it's not what you think)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/

Asian Americans and the 'model minority' myth
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0123-wu-chua-model-minority-chinese-20140123-story.html

The Growing Poverty Crisis That Everyone Is Ignoring
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/09/26/3705261/asian-american-poverty/

And like I said Mexicans are no better of than AAs. Do you even live in the states?

KidStranglehold:


I'm doing this because Nigerians on this site do it ALL THE TIME to boost about how much better they are doing in the states than AAs. Yes it is unfair which is why you should check some posters on here to stop doing it. Again this is the reason I made this thread to get rid of this shrewd thinking.



Yes I agree. That means stop comparing successful Nigerian immigrants who are small in population size to the AAs who are obviously in poverty while ignoring the AAs with a stable lifestyle like those in the south.



He was actually a doctor and I think from Lagos. I agree that no one should go by what one individual said. But I'm just saying that a lot of Nigerians I seen at my college seem to come from well off families. Again just my experience. Same with some Indians I know. Which is why I think some people over-exaggerate this rags to riches concept for immigrants. But I will be admit that I seen some working hard Nigerians outside of college that do not come from well of families.

KidStranglehold:


Then post studies debunking the ones I posted. When many recent studies states Asians and Indians who come to the USA already come from well-off families.

We can ignore this all we want.

The truth about Asian Americans' success (it's not what you think)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/opinions/lee-immigration-ethnic-capital/

Asian Americans and the 'model minority' myth
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-0123-wu-chua-model-minority-chinese-20140123-story.html

The Growing Poverty Crisis That Everyone Is Ignoring
http://thinkprogress.org/immigration/2015/09/26/3705261/asian-american-poverty/

And like I said Mexicans are no better of than AAs. Do you even live in the states?

pashaun:
Funny because Nigerians and many other Americans with their masters and PhDs here are having a hard time finding jobs.

Black Americans more than likely will pick up a trade.

College/Universities = Major debt in student loans

Not everyone is going to be a doctor or lawyer. If your car broke down would you want a doctor to fix it? Would you want a lawyer to renovate your home?

KidStranglehold:
tonychristopher



Are you going to keep ignoring that the Nigerian population is extremely small in America compared to the AA one? Stop acting delusional and stop ignoring my posts to you especially the long one on page one. In which I point out the the broken AA communities along with the successful ones. And also "average" in what? By American/UK "average" standards or Nigerian?

Anyways Africa-Americans ain't taking advantage of the American dream according YOU, because you are so delusional that you keep comparing AAs(again who are a larger population) who are in poverty to Nigerian immigrants.

There is no argument.

tonychristopher:


Bro ..I am sorry if I ignored your post ..I thought I attended to it...I was a bit busy here at the office ...the long post you made some salient points which I find commendable but atbtye same time you have refused to let us know why the African American tikt towards music sports and raps rather than economics sciences et al


I hope you aint mad at me just trying to get the concept ... Even jamicans are same ..always music ganja et al


Also I think that Africans especially Nigerians are basically into STEM courses yes...from ivy league stats

KidStranglehold:

The long post was just trying to point out to you that YES I AGREE that there are more "AA thugs" in America in than Nigerian, but there are also successful and stable AA communities. I even posted links detailing that many blacks in the city of Atlanta have college degrees. I assumed you ignored it, because in this thread you keep repeating that AA culture only revolves around "thug culture" which is false.

If I came off as rude or bashing Nigerians if I apologize. Its just that I am getting annoyed of the narrative thrown around here that AAs culture is only thug culture or AAs don't care about education.

To answer your question. Yes music has always been a big part of AA culture, I will admit that from Blues, gospels, early Rock, R&B, Soul and Hip Hop. But still not all AAs are trying to be rappers. Its only the ones in poverty who have no education options(they cant afford it) and so they turn to rapping or sports. As notice many AA rappers/athletes come from poor backgrounds. But the middle class AAs are not trying to be rappers and athletes since they are going to college. I never knew an AA in the middle class trying to be a rapper.

Once again I will admit when it comes to college Stem degrees are not degrees AAs usually go after, but I do in fact see many especially when I went to Atlanta go after business degrees. And I'm seeing more of it. Like I said my younger generation of AAs are going to college more often and are going to prison less often.

What you and others have to grasp is that we in America have poverty just Africans have poverty. I'll admit that the poverty in America may not be as severe as the poverty in Africa, but it is still poverty nonetheless. With poverty comes crime to make a living. It seems like AAs are all criminals or thugs because the image America sends to the world(America has a large media), just like we in America assume Africa is all poor because what the media sends to us! But I know this is not true for Africa and there are actually countries like Nigeria and Angola that are growing!

Like I said, yes indeed there are a good amount of AA "thugs", but we cant ignore the good amount of successful AA communities. This video supports my point in Atlanta which is considered an "AA mecca" having a lot of AA businessmen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKAW_PaZmA

^^^Is that not chasing the American dream?

As for AA culture again it is large and not "thug culture". If you want a good read on AA culture, you should checkout this thread I made on another site.
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/refuting-the-myth-that-black-american-music-culture-is-europeanized.280978/

AA culture is actually more "southern" than it is "urban Hip Hop."

And once again this thread is NOT to bash Nigerians or try to discredit Nigerian accomplishments, BUT TO GRASPS the concept on why Africans/Nigerians may seem to be doing better than AAs in America.


Once again I APOLOGIZE if I cam off as rude/bashing Nigerians. I didn't mean for that.

tonychristopher:
NOno noooooooooooooooooooooo you are not rude, I like yoir postulations...very intellectual at some point we have to disagree to agree...yes I will not make a blanket statement that AA are more of Thug culture but we have to look at the Stats, we still have nice educated AA but we are looking at the ratios here possibly in the neigbourhood of 3: 13 possibly...maybe it has to with with a lot of factors

complacency
free R and B culture
the Big Philly culture of partying and having barbeque day in day out( Dont mistake it..its a good idea to be laid back) but it should not be everytime
The AA in ATL are really doing great even the ones in Detriot...I was thinking that Detriot will be in sorry state when the declared bankrupt but the rose like sphinix


I will not make a blanket statement...bro your on point...we tend to have a convergence of ideas somewhere

tonychristopher:

Are African immigrants better than the Africans left behind?

Chanda attacks the first argument, saying that the average African immigrant is very average:

I actually know that the average African immigrants to the UK from any nation or tribe are not from the African elite class, economically or intellectually (even if there is a small segment from the super-professional class)

He also points to the example of African American families. The children of middle-class and even upper-class African Americans do worse on IQ tests than the children of lower-class Euro-American families. So even if you select from the black elite, the next generation will still underperform whites.

One could counter that the African American middle class largely works for the government. In Africa, the middle class is more likely to be self-made men and women. Also, a selection effect may exist despite the averageness of most African immigrants to the UK. Even if most are average, it may be that fewer are below-average. Below a certain level of ability, many Africans may not bother to emigrate.

Fuerst (2014) has studied this question and found that black immigrants to the U.S. have a mean IQ that is one third of a standard deviation above the mean IQ of their home countries. So there is a selection effect. But it seems too weak to explain the difference in IQ—more than one standard deviation and possibly two—between African immigrants to the UK and Africans back home, unless one assumes that migration to the UK is a lot more selective than migration to the US.

What does the GCSE actually measure?

We now come to the second explanation. It is assumed in this debate that the GCSE (General Certificate of Secondary Education) is a good proxy for IQ, which in turn is a proxy for the heritable component of intelligence. Is this true? Or does the GCSE largely measure something that is culturally acquired rather than heritable? Perhaps something as simple as showing up for class, doing one's assignments, or having a private tutor. This point is raised by one commenter:

[...] black Africans in London, even if poor and living in social housing, hire private tutors for their children. White British do not, especially the working class. This much better explains the GCSE results, a very tuition friendly test [...]

Furthermore, many African immigrants may be targeting those exams they can do best on and avoiding those they are less sure about:

[...] one needs to know how many children from each racial group take the exams. For example, the pass rate for Higher Mathematics is very high, not because the exams are easy, but because they are hard, and frighten off most applicants.

Interestingly, Chanda replies to this GCSE skepticism by pointing out that the same "Nigerians" (Igbos) who do well on the GCSE also do well in Nigeria:

For example, the subgroups within the Nigerian group that are the best in Nigeria or even in the US etc are also the best on the GCSEs. Also, the Traveller white (or whatever precise race) groups are placed by the GCSEs exactly where you would expect to find them.

The Igbo factor

This brings us to the third explanation. It's the one I favor, although the other two probably play a role. African excellence in the UK seems largely driven by a single high-performing people: the Igbo of southeastern Nigeria. Let's begin with the example of Harold Ekeh, whom Chanda describes in glowing terms:

Harold Ekeh showing off his acceptance letters to all 8 Ivy League Schools. He was born in Nigeria and migrated with his parents at age 8.

Ekeh is an Igbo name, and the Igbo (formerly known as Ibo) have a long history of academic success within Nigeria (Frost, 2015). Chanda himself referred to this success in his first article:

The superior Igbo achievement on GCSEs is not new and has been noted in studies that came before the recent media discovery of African performance. A 2007 report on "case study" model schools in Lambeth also included a rare disclosure of specified Igbo performance (recorded as Ibo in the table below) and it confirms that Igbos have been performing exceptionally well for a long time (5 + A*-C GCSEs); in fact, it is difficult to find a time when they ever performed below British whites. (Chisala, 2015a)

This superior achievement was widely known in Nigeria by the time of independence:

All over Nigeria, Ibos filled urban jobs at every level far out of proportion to their numbers, as laborers and domestic servants, as bureaucrats, corporate managers, and technicians. Two-thirds of the senior jobs in the Nigerian Railway Corporation were held by Ibos. Three-quarters of Nigeria's diplomats came from the Eastern Region. So did almost half of the 4,500 students graduating from Nigerian universities in 1966. The Ibos became known as the "Jews of Africa," despised—and envied—for their achievements and acquisitiveness. (Baker, 1980)

The term "Jews of Africa" recurs often in the literature. Henry Kissinger used it back in the 1960s:

The Ibos are the wandering Jews of West Africa — gifted, aggressive, Westernized; at best envied and resented, but mostly despised by the mass of their neighbors in the Federation. (Kissinger, 1969)

To what degree is African success Igbo success? If we go back to Chanda's first article, we see that high African achievers are overwhelmingly "Nigerians" (Chisala, 2015a). This is evident in a chart that lists mean % difference from the mean English GCSE score in 2010-2011 by ethnicity:

Nigerian: +21.8
Ghanaian: +5.5
Sierra Leone: +1.4
Somali: -23.7
Congolese: -35.3

Clearly, high academic achievement is due to something that is very much present in Nigeria, a little bit in Ghana, and not at all in Somalia and Congo. Could this something be the Igbo? The Igbo make up 18% of Nigeria's population and form a large diaspora elsewhere in West Africa and farther afield. In fact, they seem to be disproportionately represented in overseas Nigerian communities, making up most of the Nigerian community in Japan and a large portion of China's Nigerian community (Wikipedia, 2015). Statistics are unfortunately lacking for the UK.

Conclusion

What happens when we remove Igbo students from the GCSE results? How well do the other Africans do? To some degree, Chanda answered that question in his first article. African excellence seems to be overwhelmingly Igbo excellence.

So why doesn't he speak of Igbo excellence? Probably because he assumes that all sub-Saharan Africans are fundamentally the same. Or maybe he assumes that all humans are fundamentally the same. Both assumptions are wrong, and neither can be construed as an "HBD position."

We are all genetically different, even within our own families. So why the surprise that different African peoples are ... different? The Igbo have for a long time specialized in a trading lifestyle that favors a certain mental toolkit: future time orientation; numeracy, and abstract reasoning. This is gene-culture coevolution. When circumstances push people to excel in a certain way, there will be selection for people who can naturally excel in that way, without the prodding of circumstances. And it doesn't take eons of time for such evolution to work.

Will we hear more about the Igbo in this debate? Probably not. There is a strong desire, especially in the United Kingdom, to show that blacks are converging toward white norms of behavior, including academic performance. There is indeed some convergence, but almost all of it can be traced to the growing numbers of high-performing "Nigerians" (Igbos) and the growing numbers of biracial children (the census now has a mixed-race category, but most biracial people still self-identify as "black". In the UK, 55% of Black Caribbean men and 40% of Black Caribbean women have a partner from another ethnic background. It's very likely that half of all "black" children in the UK are at least half-white by ancestry (Platt, 2009, p. 7).

Nor is it likely that we'll hear more about the Igbo from Chanda. As he sees it, the debate should be over. The academic excellence of Igbo students proves that the black/white IQ gap in the U.S. cannot have a genetic basis:

[It is not] a function of global racial evolution (Sub-Saharan African genes versus European genes), as most hereditarians believe, especially those who identify with the Human Biodiversity or HBD intellectual movement (generally known as "scientific racism" in academic circles, but we are avoiding such unkind terms).

Thank you, Chanda, for avoiding unkind terms. Well, I know a bit about HBD. The term was coined by Steve Sailer in the late 1990s for an email discussion group that included myself and various academics who may or may not want their names disclosed. It's hard to generalize but we were all influenced by findings that genetic evolution didn’t slow down as cultural evolution speeded up in our species. In fact, the two seemed to feed into each other. This is why genetic evolution accelerated over 100-fold about 10,000 years ago when humans began to abandon hunting and gathering for farming, which in turn led to ever more diverse societies. Our ancestors thus adapted much more to their cultural environments than to their natural environments. These findings were already circulating within our discussion group before being written up in a paper by Hawks et al. (2007) and later in a book by Greg Cochran and Henry Harpending (2009).

Yes, previously it was thought that genetic evolution slowed to a crawl with the advent of culture. Therefore, groups like the Igbo couldn't possibly differ genetically from other sub-Saharan Africans, at least not for anything culture-related. But that kind of thinking wasn't HBD or even racialist. It was simply the old anthropological narrative, and it's still accepted by many anthropologists, most of whom aren't "scientific racists."

Oh sorry, I forgot we promised to avoid that term.


http://evoandproud..com.ng/2015/10/no-blacks-arent-all-alike-who-said-they.html

Muafrika2:

How would you then, explain the discrepancy with African American performance, considering that a huge number of African Americans are actually descendants of igbo slaves?

Muafrika2:

How would you then, explain the discrepancy with African American performance, considering that a huge number of African Americans are actually descendants of igbo slaves?

Muafrika2:

How would you then, explain the discrepancy with African American performance, considering that a huge number of African Americans are actually descendants of igbo slaves?

tonychristopher:


I am still here but I find it hard to have a meaningful conversation due to how the forum has degenerated to an infantile thing ...one can't even have a decent convo again..it is either they ban you or you get insulted by these kids

To be frank I am thinking of deactivating my account sometime I just read post

People rarely make informed and empirical statement ..now the igbo also have been on edge

I think suen is killing this forum slowly

KidStranglehold:
@RandomAfricanAm

If you still come on here what are your thoughts?

RandomAfricanAm:


My fault yo I've been at your site the coli in the videogame section for a couple weeks. let me look over this topic.

RandomAfricanAm:
An earlier naraland thread asking "what's the Nigerian dream?" reminded me of an article I read awhile back where a group from a Caribbean country(Name not necessary) living in the U.S made the comment

"African Americans don't believe in the American dream anymore but we still believe in the American dream."

I don't disagree or agree with that assessment one way or the other. I have issue with the central topic "The American dream" and it's validity as being something to believe in. That sounds like something I vaguely remember being discussed in elementary school concerning early European settlers in the 1700-1800s thinking the cities were made of gold or something outrageous like that(which is also reminiscent of the idea European explorers had who were killing the indigenous people of the Americas in search of El dorado "the city of gold" ).

If the idea of "The American dream" is present in Nigeria...
1.Where does this idea come from?
2.How is it propagated to the children?

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I'm an African American and I skip the proposition of belief altogether and say the idea of "The American Dream" holds no real meaning for me. I'm not even aware it is something I was suppose to consider The only dream they push around here is MLKs' dream and I think that is just propaganda to keep people docile(for lack of a better word).

If I had "a dream" it would be for African people to...
1. Have our own curriculum that teaches African history and the intellectual tools to build the industries needed to protect & nurture Africa.
2. Practice our cultures without pressure from outside actors trying to change it to suit their visions of "how the world should be".
3. Use our cultures as the foundation for further cultural improvements(as oppose to whole sale adapting of others culture)
4. Have the capacity to extract, process, and manufacture all the goods Africa needs with the resources in the ground
5. Have the capacity to move all goods around the continent and trade internally.
6. Be independent of all non-African owned NGOs, production, and/or extraction corporations only leaving foreign sellers, traders, and tourist.
7. Have a resource depot for surpluses in the Caribbean, Seychelles/Mauritius, and Kerkennah Islands.(Sale surplues after domestic needs met)
8. Diaspora uses sale of Continental surplus resources from depots as base financial revenue generator to make them economically independent.
9. Funds from surplus sales are used to fund the ideas & dreams of the diaspora(banking, new business ,schools, movies, tech innovations, etc)
10. Live life as an African in contact & harmony with humanity but insulated from the political games of foreigners especialy these Europeans and their propped up "African/Black leaders" looking for favor & status.
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Oh yeah.
Systems of governance of African making; based on and respecting/integrating African cultures would be fantastic also. Economic freedom for north African Tamazight/Nubian groups so they don't have to go through Arabs to meet their needs/ambitions on their own land/continent.

[size=16pt]Sorry that was so long winded[/size]
Speaking as one African American if I had a "dream" the above would be closer to it and that dream clearly has little to do with "America". So if I don't believe in "The American Dream" it's cause I personally have a better more fulfilling "African Dream" to work towards.




But hey, wadaya do

Fulaman198:
The truth is Nigerians are some of the most educated people in the world. #1 in the U.K. from an educational standpoint and #1 in the United States.

I'm not saying it's right for some Nigerians to have that despicable attitude of looking down on African Americans. Those are Nigerians that don't know better.

But in regards to educational achievement, you can't take that away from Nigerians.

alanmwene:

I beg to differ!
How many Nigerians are professors at Cambridge,oxford or imperial college?
how many Nigerians are there studying maths or physics at Cambridge,oxford,etc....?
How can Nigerians be n01 in usa when you have jews,russians,chineses and Indians hijacking all the best scientific universities in USA(MIT,harvard,stanford,etc....)?
If you take maths for example,the best Africans in usa come from francophone Africa:
Harvard:
Tchetgen tchetgen from cameroun:Mathematician educated at Harvard and full professor of statistics and biostatistics at Harvard


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6lllHwFqA
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/eric-tchetgen-tchetgen/

Mboyo esole :Belgian-born Congolese mathematician and physicist and Benjamin pierce assistant professor of mathematics and physics (algebraic geometry,string theory,...) working with mathematican and Fields medallist shing-tung yau:
http://www.math.harvard.edu/~esole/
Seminars by mboyo esole:

http://www.math.harvard.edu/conferences/frg12/
http://www.math.fsu.edu/~aluffi/AMS_Special_Session.html
Very very strong guy!

Demba Ba(guinee Conakry):Msc and PHD in electrical engineering with minor in maths from the MIT and assistant professor in bioengineering at Harvard.
http://users.neurostat.mit.edu/demba-ba/
If you add jelani nelson(MIT and institute for advanced studies) that all the young blacks you found teaching scientific subjects at Harvard.There is no Nigerian!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYiWm6FMmjQ
For the old generation of mathematiicans,it alson dominated by francophone Africans:
Augustin banyaga:The first African mathematician to be fellow of the institute for advanced studies
Wilfrid gangbo:First African full professor of maths at Georgia tech anf first African to publish in the annals of maths
That pretty much the best African mathematicians in usa.
Idris assani:The firs black mathematician to be full professor of maths at university of north Carolina chapel hill.Very top guy

RandomAfricanAm:

You brought me into this......

Well this is going to be a good size post, but I will say this. I probably have different position from most people here ...thoigh i'll prob share point s as well. You have to know a few things....

1. I've never had any issues with African or Caribbean immigrants, that dynamic just doesn't exist in many places down here. All my experiences have been very nice and almost solely with students. There are no "African or Caribbean enclaves" that I know of.

2. I'm from the south...
[img]http://1.bp..com/--eX2kIhj01Y/UlbPkbLQ44I/AAAAAAAAAFk/UG-58TGHzao/s1600/400px-Census-2000-Data-Top-US-Ancestries-by-County.svg.png[/img]

3. I'm from a city where African Americans ran the city I.E. no crazy police issues you see in other places(which is just as much a sovereignty/governance issue as policing issue)

4. I grew up "well off" in a financially integrated area I.E. middle, working, and lower class African Americans all relatively close together.

5. I reject the construction of "education" being tossed around.



So I'm going to get some things together that denotes...

1. A break down of the African American population in america(I don't think people realize how huge a population it really is)
2. Delineate the different social/economic branches of the African Americans and how they interact
3. A break down of "education" what it means in different contexts.(most of whats being discussed here sounds like "training" to achieve some perceived "social status" that comes along with a certificate/certification)
4. Timeline of events in the push for access to "training" and push to revamp the "training system" into a true "educational system".(It seems people are unaware the extent of pressure that African Americans have placed on the "educational system" to gain access and make it more than an indoctrination entity ....people actually went into schools with guns and shut the campus down for the sake of true "education".)
5.Documentation on the African American presence in ghana and South Africa.


This is going to be a long post, and I'm going to have to collect a far amount of documents so it'll be awhile.I'm in the middle of promoting my new business right now also www.videogamestashbox.com and it's indiegogo campaign http://igg.me/at/videogamestashbox/x/13349858

so I have to find time to squeeze it in. Thanks for the invite to the topic.....