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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Olu317(m): 8:53pm On Aug 28, 2016|
Do you Bini know that Eweka the Great was a baby when Oranmiyan left Bini? How then was the Ooni of IFE is a son to the Oba of Bini?... ... a puzzle you never knew... Bini is a pride to yoruba and we have never waged war at you( Bini) even at the height of Yoruba supremacy in this part of the world between 17/18/part of 19 century( before A very powerful prince of Oyo (Afonja) who came with other Yoruba and some Fulani servants that felt Islam was better than their own spiritual/traditional power to destroy OYO ILE) which stretch to Ghana and it was because we have always seen you as our baby brother. But can you recall how many places/towns some Bini princes had waged war against ? still we only defended our territories and others,the princes are absorbed .. That's the duty of the big brother over his younger to always show love....Rest my case today
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by AreaFada2: 9:50pm On Aug 28, 2016|
Thank you. I learnt under eminent scientists that an intelligent person asks the right questions. Not necessarily the one who gives the right answers.
Why didn't Oduduwa return if he was a prince in Binin?: Chief Oliha (he crowns the Oba since then) and the other senior chiefs that went to Ife/Uhe tried to persuade Ekaladerhan/Ododuwa to return but he refused. Now, Ehkaladerhan was supposed to have been murdered/sacrificed in the forest due to the evil machinations of his step-mother/Queen. But the executioners could not bear to murder a crown prince. They let him live but made him swear never to return to Benin. He escaped death by the skin of his teeth. He had also become ruler in Ife. So considering his newfound fortune of Kingship & bad memory of only just escaping death, it is not farfetched that refused to return. A man (Ekaladerhan) possibly in his 60s or older, who has found fortune, respect and dignity among his subjects in Ife has little incentive to leave all that. The complex system of kingship in Benin & palace intrigues that he already witnessed and only just survived were enough to put him off. Even the young agile Oranmiyan could not cope with the elaborate, fierce & convoluted system in Ogodomigodo and he left saying this Kingdom is "Ile-Ubinu". Oba Erediauwa departed many months ago now but ceremonies are still going on & the crown prince is not crowned yet. That is how elaborate, complex & detailed the system is and has been for centuries.
Why was the King's body part of the Oba of Bini(mostly the head) buried in IFE in ancient times?: We hear a lot about this, but no conclusive evidence that that was the case. I have many relatives as palace chiefs in Benin who should know. But none has confirmed it. Royal tradition is sacredly maintained and never distorted. Even if that was the case that body or body part was taken to Ife, it could be because Oranmiyan the father of Oba Eweka I was probably buried in Ife too. But no credible source has confirmed this.
Why do Bini believe they came out from UHE(IFE)?: Wrong. Benin people do not & never claim to come from Ife/Uhe. A Benin saying is that "Uhe o bie Oba", meaning "Ife gave birth to the Oba". This indicates the birth of the first Oba (oranmiyan) after the end of Ogiso/Oba-Godo era, in Ife. Even though he did not stay long in Benin, he was still the first post-Ogiso Oba. Yoruba people make this mistake a lot. That Oranmiyan came from Ife does not make all Benin people come from Ife. The House of Bernadotte is the Royal Family of Sweden. Jean-Baptiste Bernadotte was a French general under Napoleon Bonaparte (Emperor of the French) before he became King of Sweden/Norway. But Swedes are not French. The British Royal family is German, but the British do not count as Germans. The former Royal family of Greece was Danish/German but Greeks are not Danes. Ptolemy, a general under Alexander The Great became Pharaoh of Egypt & was ancestor of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, but Egyptians were not and are not Greeks. Examples abound throughout history.
As to where Benin people migrated from, like most Nigerian tribes, it is not scientifically proven where they originally came from. That probably happened thousands of years back, possibly 5000 years or more. Too long for any credible oral history to survive. In 9ja, some tribes claim to have used ladder to climb down from heaven, etc. None is scientific. The most likely version for Benin is that of coming from Egypt/Nubia/Sudan. Tell me of any Nigerian tribe with DNA/archeological/Scientific evidence of where they originally came from 5000 or more years ago.
Now, the other Question is not relevant since Benin people never migrated to Ife in the first place.
I am amazed with the fabricated story by some of you from Bini had began to tell the world from this year's February 2016 before the demise of the Omo n' Oba. You have not been following similar topics on NL. I have posts dating back to years here on this matter. Though some lost during Cyber attack on NL. Nothing new. Just that people, especially from the SW, have a set mind on the issue & hardly read versions not theirs. Benin people typically mind their business unless others want to use numerical or political advantage in the current Nigerian contraption to twist history. Benin people then respond to set the record straight. The Alake of Abeokuta sometime last year or so claimed that Benin monarchy was third in the hierarchy in Yorubaland. Benin had to correct that provocative statement by letting Alake remember that Benin's Ogiso dynasty gave birth to Ekaladerhan/Ododuwa & therefore cannot be lower than any Yoruba King. Moreover, Benin has never been part of Yorubaland.
Sometimes, I believe people are not interested in seeking the truth. All seem to have a position that whether rational or not, they want to stick to it.
My suggestion is simple. Why not do DNA studies among Benin, Ife Royal families and relatives in the female line of pre-oranmiyan Ogisos? Science can trace back which is the parent genetic line.
That should settle it finally.
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Olu317(m): 9:10pm On Sep 11, 2016|
Let me take it from beneath which is on the take of position of the ranking. The ranking is basically based on history and nothing to do with the present day Bini Kingdom. If it is true that the first Oba was crowned from ILE IFE by the grandfather of Owoka(Eweka),then you must accept that OOni is a senior to Oba of Bini. On the word called Oba(meaning that I have eaten/become the king) in Yoruba literally translation but deeper that what I wrote. If you need to know more, you will have to see and relate more with Yoruba traditionalist. Further more, the Ooni's throne represent the entirety of Yoruba Race wherever you are in the world and once you are pronounced as a king by the Ooni, you must not raise your sword on ILE IFE and any part of its territory. the first set of kings that picked their swords from IFE which Bini is included. The Alaafin is even the father of omo n'oba because oranmiya founded oyo empire. So you see if Yoruba claim that throne,we are in line, we( Yoruba)never invaded ogodomigodo but they came to plead with us in ILE IFE to beg Odu'a to come to their kingdom because brewing crisis. I will want you to do the analysis based on Alake's ranking even if the ranking wasn't true based on Yoruba pure and original ranking. Now,I have questions for you to ponder on,if Ekaladerhan(oduduwa)is the grandfather of oba of Bini, why do you say Bini King is senior?, in what languages did the chiefs from ogodomigodo communicate with oduduwa?, why didne he tell his son that he is from ogodomigodo?, if there was complexity in kingship in ogodomigodowhy did oranyan stay for some period as the ruler and to the extent of him marrying a princess in the same town for that long?do you know there is a crown of ododuwa in ILE IFE?,Honestly, it has nothing to do with superiority but historical facts as we heard it and stands. God bless yorubaland and ile ubinu(Bini)kingdom
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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by sinceraconcept(m): 9:52am On Sep 14, 2016|
DeRay98:leave the girl alone >>>Drchristian.
The girl love Yorubas and she wants to be called Yoruba than a Bini girl because she thinks yorubas are worth it
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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by RedboneSmith(m): 10:18am On Sep 14, 2016|
'She' is not a girl. And 'she' is not Bini.
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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Olu317(m): 10:49am On Sep 16, 2016|
you people of Edo have erred on so ma
ny utterances as it concerns Ododuwa. with your argument,you said, the Ododuwa probably told the Ancient IFE people that he was Edo/ogiso dynasty and that the Yoruba people out of pride hid it. If I may ask the children of the Edo kingdom, how many them as males/females will traveled to far distance land and after acquiring great wealth,affluence and power in that country will not want to come back and to conquer his detractors/enemies in his or her ancestral home? why would he (Odu'a) deny his ancestral home to his children? should the Yoruba raise up against them in the future How come he didn't tell the people to bury him after his death at his real ancestral home in Edo?How come the ancestral home of Yoruba doesn't have any strong influence of Ododuwa's Edo Language in their dialect on which all other Yoruba dialects developed from? instead the reverse was the case in Bini with Yoruba language having great influence in it. in fact many of the Binis are Of IFE(yoruba migrants) to Edo. Non of these was eminent in Yoruba history about Odu'a 's spoken language . In fact no Yoruba grouping even has ever lay any tangible claim to Edo as his or her historical ancestral home except via marriages and those that fused with Yoruba,history still have record of them pooh haa. Having said these,history has made us to know that Ododuwa was not imposed by anyone but chosen by IFA Oracle and not that he was a conqueror of a people,that meant that the man was part and parcel of the people..I am even more disappointed with you when you said Edo's history is shrouded in mystery because it is perceived as dating back to 5000 years. On Yoruba account, with great humility do I boast through God, why do you think it was easy to write the Yoruba Bible by one anointed by God, Samuel Ajayi crowded in 1844, do you think yorubas were Ordinary people? are the Yorubas the only the groups sold as slaves?“Capital No as answer ",but then because they know who they are, they never relent until they Excel. Do you think it was ordinary when Samuel Johnson wrote about the history of Yoruba in 1888/1895 when the publisher in the UK,having read throw it,was devastated threw it away or burn it and said it got lost?,it was because we Yoruba have history to back us up and you all hate the truth. Do you think it was easy to be the first to set up television station in Africa to be borne in Yorubaland in 1953?,History can not be distorted, no matter how, the truth will always prevail. learn more about Yoruba history, perhaps you will be enlightened more from the following book written in the past and more studying of Yoruba traditions by even WHITES THEMSELVES BECAUSE OF CURIOSITY ABOUT YORUBA nation. READ,:THE YORUBA SPEAKING PEOPLE BY ELLIS ALFRED BURTON 1894,REVISED VERSION OF HISTORY OF YORUBA BY SAMUEL JOHNSON 1921,ORIGIN OF YORUBA as THE LOST TRIBE OF ISREAL by Kierk Lange, The Black jews of Africa etc, I will advise you people of ogiso grouping need to do more emphasis on knowing where you come from before you can even be laying claim to another ra
ce.. So help you God and God bless Yoruba Race
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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by macof(m): 10:49am On Sep 18, 2016|
when Oranmiyan gained wealth and power in all his adventures with the founding of Oyo and creation of a new dynasty at Bini
he returned to Ife to fight for his father's throne that had been usurped ..
any sane person will know that an African man of that time will always return home to reclaim his heritage
Oduduwa if we even agree with the Edo that he was an Igodomigodo prince, by the action of not making efforts to go there. .not even to be buried there, shows that he didn't consider himself Edo...he never considered Igodomigodo a home
so just if we agree with Edo, their argument is still silly because Ife's throne still stands above Bini in regards to Oduduwa's full allegiance and obligations to that throne and the ife people and none for Bini. ... not even oranmiyan showed any obligation to Bini
His only obligation was to Ife. ..a place he returned to, and died as Ooni and was buried. .just like all previous Omo n 'oba were buried in Ife...the last of which was Adolo, father of Ovoranmwen
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|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Konquest(m): 5:05am On Feb 10|
DNA tests can resolve some of
these geneogical issues.
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Konquest(m): 5:44am On Feb 10|
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by Konquest(m): 5:48am On Feb 10|
Something just caught my eyes...
The Birth of the First Oba [Oranmiyan].
1.] "Uhe o bie Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Bini-Edo language.
2.] "Ife o bi Oba"
Ife gave birth to the Oba in Yoruba language.
"Uhe o bie Oba" and "Ife o bi Oba" are VERY SIMILAR. "O bie" and "O bi" both mean "Gave Birth."
... This is very interesting.
The Yoruba and Bini have different origins, but there are profound linguistic and cultural similarities as well. I love both cultures.
Thanks to all who have contributed positively
to this thread for the benefit of all!
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by macof(m): 10:18am On Feb 10|
No we don't. Yoruba, Igala, Edo, Igbo share a common origin, all 4 sprouting from one root
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by peressteve: 1:16am On Mar 21|
|Re: My Take On Source of Yorubas from Benin As A Bini Nairalander by AxxeMan: 9:07am On Mar 21|
The hopelessness orlf Yoruba is unrivalled ..... Just imagine opening a thread claiming Edo!
Inferiority complex at best
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