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No, the Bible does not promote stonings and rape and hand-chopping. i earlier questioned your ability to read, and i am tempted to question it again. Anyone who has read the Bible knows that there is an Old Testament/Agreement/Covenant, and that there is a New Testament/Agreement/Covenant. Either you were unable to read or the devil is messing with your tenses. Again, i read the Bible everyday. Most of the finest, nicest, loving most gentle and kind relatives you have, friends you know and colleagues you have met are readers of the Bible, many of them ardent and self confessed followers of the Bible. They are not inclined to stone or rape or chop hands. Evidently, the problem is with you and what you read, wake up to reality. My moral reason and that of many good people you have met is rooted and enshrined in the Bible, and in its precepts and commands of love, forgiveness, courteousness, honesty, righteousness, peace and contentment. If you require Bible verses, do not hesitate to ask for them. i know you will not require though, because you know already that i am saying the truth.



It is not about how it appears to me, it is a well known FACT that it is fickle.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
(BBE)Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles without the law have a natural desire to do the things in the law, they are a law to themselves;
Rom 2:15 Because the work of the law is seen in their hearts, their sense of right and wrong giving witness to it, while their minds are at one time judging them and at another giving them approval;

Evidently, you are not saying anything new or strange. We all have God given conscience and common sense. Although we don't all use them equally, just like our brains or muscles are not equally exerted. That is why for instance, we have national legislations and constitutions, so that there can be some form of standards, enforcement and inspection. What is commonsense and moral to you may not be to the next neighbour, creating chaos as we are not all 'evolved' to the same rate and level. Some people still find it moral to practice polygamy, homosexuality, child marriage etc. Some others have 'evolved', but the written laws and Constitution provide the standard and framework we can all live by. That is the same motive of the Bible. It doesn't negate the fact that we all have a God given system in us all.
So, you have no peak or zenith or destination of morality? That is a most confused state. In other words, you do not know where you are going, you're just going with the flow. Then you have no right to accuse others or dictate to others how they should be moral. Someone that does not know the road or the destination cannot be telling others that they are lost. This is common logic, i expect that you get it as you're the one doing the thinking while we do the believing.




This is a repetition. Try and read the Bible or get a complete one to understand its contents, or employ help like us.

cloudgoddess:

What a blatant attempt at a cop-out. The things that God commanded in the Old Testament did not just disappear from history ("history" ) once the New Testament was written. The truth still stands that your God once promoted rapes, slavery, baby-killings, murder of innocents for the crimes of their ancestors (& plenty of other ill justifications) and various other heinous atrocities that would compete with the doings of today's worst terrorists. Yahweh is a murderous psychopath and his morals are not to be trusted.

And you just dug yourself into a logic trap by admitting that Old Testament Law was nullified once the New Testament came along (which is debatable anyway according to Matthew 5:17: "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." ). Because that would show that indeed, God's supposed perfect moral standards did change at least once. If it was perfect to begin with then changes would never have needed to be made. God apparently f*cked up the first time around.

Quoting the bible as evidence of truth is meaningless and holds no weight in discussions of this nature. I assumed you would know that. "God given common sense" is inaccurate. "Conscience", or the capacity for compassion and capability for developing a sense of right and wrong (the mental schemas I mentioned earlier), is written into our DNA as homo sapeins. We are herd animals - group functioning is vital to our survival, and so is adaptation to social environments. We NEED moral frameworks for a purpose. That purpose is so that we can live in harmony with our fellow humans and thrive - NOT so some bearded, tyrannical "creator" character in the sky can be pleased with us and not burn us for eternity.

No, morality does not have to have a "zenith" for it to be worthwhile. That is a silly idea. Every progression towards more human peace is valuable. All of these simplistic, black and white goals for human conduct are set up by religion to create a problem and then sell you the "solution". There is NO reason humanity has to be PERFECT. We are entitled to our flaws just like every other living being on this planet. The goal is to work with and improve our flaws, and learn to live and interact in harmony as much as possible as our societies progress. Organized religion does nothing but distract from and hinder that goal.

And don't give me that pretentious crap. I was Christian for most of my life, and finally reading the bible as it is, without rose-colored lenses or deceptive pastors and their "interpretations", is what led to my atheism - as many atheists & agnostics can relate to. Perhaps you should try it.

tolutweety:


Same shoe.

I have only been in church just once,so far, this year...not because of anything,but a lack of interest in the 'activities' that now happen in the church.

I give this look if you judge me by that though;'cos m way better morally and in all wise,since I stopped.

PS: I remain a Christian.

cc: therealadonye

adenitemi:

Cheers.

TheRealAdonye:
I'm Christian but I believe we could all be a bit more open-minded.
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