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Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by agrovick(m): 10:34am On Mar 12, 2016 |
Akinrogun:Eyin ti Sopen Lukale, a ki yin o. I'm from the Ojowo axis. Good to meet you my brother |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ATERI(m): 10:40am On Mar 12, 2016 |
spiralwedge: Muritala Mohammed set up the Irikefe Panel on State Creation at a time Obasanjo was his second in command, so it was the Irikefe Panel that made that recommendation, you can get hold of his Report and read it yourself. Of course, Muritala was assassinated later making it possible for Obasanjo to take over. So you are the type that would say that until Babangida write about June 12, you can`t believe that an election was annulled, right? Bye |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by spiralwedge(m): 1:06pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
ATERI: Irikefe report did not mention any of the hearsays in your original posts. And the Benin-Sagamu Interchange (Makun) (Not exactly Sagamu) was proposed as the capital. The report mentions the old divisions in the state and Remo and Egbado were mentioned as divisions created by Colonial Master, apart from Egba and Ijebu . It is normal for all monarchs to lobbied to win development to their domain. Military regimes usually dont give a damn what a monarch thinks much as long as that is what they want. They can even sack such monarch. So I insist placing the capital in Abeokuta, Obj intentionally spited Awo and reduce local influence. Obj himself has said and written that Awo was over-ambitious and needed to tamed. And that he did with all his military might. Even the handing over to Shagari was controversial. Concerning June 12, there are documented publications and multimedia. I only wanted you to sift hearsay from factual history. 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Nellybii: 6:34pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
elopee3000: From your comments, I don't see any sanity in continuing this conversation. I prefer discussing with normal people. Good day. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ATERI(m): 7:29pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
spiralwedge:I`m not going to allow you to get away with your deliberate dishonesty, so I have three questions for you. Since you have accepted that Irikefe Panel recommended Sagamu as Ogun State Capital, can you tell me the hearsay in my piece? Two, which other individual or traditional ruler in Ogun State lobbied to take away the capital from Sagamu, since you said everybody lobbied at that time? The last question is for you to tell me where Makun belongs in the geography of Ogun State, since you said is not exactly Sagamu Please, answer those questions so that we can move amicably forward. Thanks |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by spiralwedge(m): 9:06pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
ATERI:I There's no dishonesty or any insinuation in all my postings. The summarised answer to all your questions is that Obj made Abeokuta the capital of Ogun state to spite Awo. To single out one monarch on the struggle/lobby is the hearsay. And like i said earlier, it is the same version of your hearsay I heard as the cause of loss of Ijebu state during Abacha/Diya regime. How can the same story be the same reason for two different problems of two different times at different dispensations? Written history is what I required from you, nothing else! Hearsays distort history. 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ATERI(m): 10:57pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
spiralwedge: You only answered one of three questions. I will tell you categorically that Makun does not belong to any other town or city in Ogun State but Sagamu, so next time you are writing don`t say what you don`t know. The dishonesty in your piece is that you don`t want to admit that Awujale would not allow a state in Ijebu/Remo zone unless the capital is Ijebu Ode. Anybody that follows the politics of that area would tell you this, so it`s nothing special You are contradicting yourself by making any reference to Awo in this issue. If Awo was the factor in 75/76 was he still the factor during Abacha/Diya era? Are you telling me that Diya would be in power, create an Ijebu State and allow Awujale to have his wish of having the capital located in Ijebu-Ode when Diya himself was born in the vicinity ( Odogbolu), is that what you are saying? Once Irikefe recommended Sagamu as the best location for the capital of Ogun State in the mid 70s, Obasanjo would never have been in a position to change that recommenrdation if Awujale had not raised any objection. The balance of power in Yorubaland between Obasanjo and Awo was slightly similar to the balance of power in Igboland between Ojukwu and Azikwe. Awo and his people kept Obasanjo on his toes on all issues and Obasanjo did the same to them, so the possibility of Obasanjo going against what a supreme court judge recommended was zero. But once Awujale opposed it, Obasanjo was in a wonderful position to use his status as a second in command initially. The politics under Diya/Abacha was different. Abacha didn`t want Diya to become more powerful and more loved by his people, so any opposition from Awujale would be welcome by Abacha, since that meant that Awujale and Abacha would become closer at the expense of Diya. So the only constant here is the Awujale, therefore I don`t know why you could find it unacceptable that he played this negative role twice.Ok listen to this: a couple of months ago the dubious Obasanjo now said he would support Ijebu State but only if the capital would be in Awo`s town in Ikenne, please go and find out what your Awujale said to that, so that you would not be surprised when he plays the role thrice. But unfortunately for Awujale now, the balance of power is no more in his favour, he may have to swallow his pride and opposition very soon, because, for the first time in the history of Nigeria, someone from Remo area of Ogun State is the vice-president in a democracy. You said the answer to all my questions is that Obasanjo made Abeokuta the capital of Ogun State to spite Awo. This is non-sense because I told you that Awo`s parents were both from Abeokuta and Ikenne. His mum was from Ikenne and his dad was from Abeokuta, then how could location of state capital in his dad`s town spite him bro? 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 11:18pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Taolyn4lif(m): 11:34pm On Mar 12, 2016 |
ycat: Friend...I just don't like referring to tribes. And what do you think I am hiding? |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 1:05am On Mar 13, 2016 |
The answer is already in your post but, I just wanted to see if you are bold to come out. It seems that it's not so much about the state of the nation to you but, not being able to have your way in the current arrangement. Taolyn4lif: |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Taolyn4lif(m): 8:09am On Mar 13, 2016 |
ycat: Like I stated, tribes don't really bother me. This is not about being bold or not. And from my posts on this thread, there is no enough information for you to deduce that I am from a particular tribe. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by oluwolexy(m): 10:17am On Mar 13, 2016 |
@ Ateri, you got it wrong Awolowo's father is from Ikenne, a well respected Ijebu Remo farmer who died in 1916 when the Obafemi was 7 years old. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ATERI(m): 10:31am On Mar 13, 2016 |
oluwolexy: Thanks for the correction; it`s the other way round. Many thanks, oluwolexy. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 11:35am On Mar 13, 2016 |
Ok, let's leave it at that. Taolyn4lif: |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 11:56am On Mar 13, 2016 |
The word is, Diya wanted to make Odogbolu the capital, and that was what drew objection from Awujale. Sagamu was never a contender. Awujale has since be pushing for ijebu state alone with the capital in Ijebu ode. And if it is created it's going to be in Ijebu ode. Ikenne is Remo so is Sagamu, so what's their problem with Ijebu state? If Ikenne and Sagamu want a state, they will have to go and ask for it and not try to block Ijebu state. Osiibajo can't influence Ijebu state because Awujale has been on it before he was picked as Vp and I'm sure Tinubu would have told him that this very topic is a no-go area for him. Also, Buhari is a close friend of Awujale and that's the only thing Awujale asked from him. Forget it, Ijebu ode has Ijebu state on lock. spiralwedge: |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by spiralwedge(m): 12:16pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
ycat: That's naive. That's a mere rumour. If Diya wanted to make Odogbolu the capital what stopped him, being a military deputy head of state? And if Abacha, his oga, did not want Odogbolu, what stopped him for placing it in IjebuOde? Who would question or stop him? He was a maximum military dictator. Now, I said naive because you dont know or not considerate of the socio-political implications. If Ijebu state was created, two out of the major old divisions would be contained... Remo and Ijebu. So tell me, does it make sense to call the new state and also have the capital in IjebuOde? Doesn't it mean the Remos would be minority or subservient in the new state? The Remos are smart and the Ijebus are arrogant. It is better for the Remos to remain in this present arrangement called Ogun state where they stand tall with the other 3 old divisions than to be political nonentities in your one-sided Ijebu State. One thing is sure, Ijebu State may never materialise, because of the Ijebus' arrogance. However, if it does it is either Remos are excluded or Ijebus and Remos share the political relevance of both the name and the capital city as it is done elsewhere. Eg. ONDO - Akure, OYO - Ibadan etc. Once again, the odogbolu story was a rumour. 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 12:35pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
That's the fact, it wasn't a rumor, the Sagamu part is the new one we never heard of. Of course, there's always the option of Sagamu remaining in Ogun state like a lot of people think. Sagamu is better off in ogun state really, it's closer to Lagos and Abeokuta, and has all the advantages already. Ijebu ode is the biggest in ogun just after Abeokuta and there's nothing wrong in it if Sagamu is subservient, that is if they want to be part of ijebu state. Ijebu is the only province that has not become a state, some former provinces have even had 2 states created out of them. Call it anything you want, Remo can't cash in on Ijebus struggle. Ijebu state will be. spiralwedge: |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by spiralwedge(m): 12:51pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
ATERI: No, I do not deny Awujale's role during the Abacha/Diya's time. But I do for Muritala/Obj's time. I am not trying to exonerate him. Awujale was not the only monarch lobbying for the capital city in his domain. There were several others. So, what i am not accepting is that your Awujale was the sole cause of making Abeokuta the capital city. Ogun state was created in 1976, Shagari vs Awo presidential campaign kicked off in 1978. Common. What are we talking about? OGUN - Abeokuta was all about OBJ vs. Awo. Im ending the discussion here, we are already going back and forth on this. Thanks for your time. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by spiralwedge(m): 12:59pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
ycat: There's a lot of ignorance and sentiments in your posts. Perhaps you are still a kid, but of course i respect your opinion. Take care. Im out. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by ycat: 1:17pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
I don't know why you are quick to call my posts what you are guilty of. If calling Ijebu "arrogant" isn't ignorance and sentiment, what is it? If I'm a kid, that makes you a toddler. spiralwedge: |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Nobody: 8:03pm On Mar 13, 2016 |
bigmo1:ijebu ife precisely |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by bmaks: 9:24am On Mar 14, 2016 |
udmbat: I think we will have a great problem in Yoruba land when all these old kings and elders are dead, i think we will all lose the truth of our identities to fame, politics, affluence and influence. Imagine the confusion being set all these distorted tales. Our major problem is that we lack proper documentation of things. I must tell you that Ooni is no king in Yoruba land, counting him as one of the Big Kings is absolute distortion. I think we must learn that truth that the only son of Oduduwa is Okanbi, who died before his father and have 7 children, who are the main Yoruba Kings. The children of these 7 children are the extended branches of the true Yoruba Lineage. [size=16pt]SO MY BIGGEST QUESTION FOR ALL OF US TO HELP US TRACE OUR ROOT IS "WHICH OF THE BRANCH LINE OF THESE 7 CHILDREN DOES YOUR VILLAGE, TOWN, CITY OR FAMILY LINE BELONG TO?"[/size] If we can't trace you to any of these people, then you must be a stranger or visitor, slave or Prisoner of war (not meant to be derogatory in any form), or a merchant. Fight for supremacy should come by the truth in our lineage connection. 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by tpiar: 6:37pm On Mar 14, 2016 |
like anyone will admit to being those. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Kakamorufu(m): 1:07pm On Mar 21, 2016 |
leisuretym:oya na, lez go |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by lawani: 10:27am On Jan 12, 2017 |
NO JUNIOR KINGS, EGBA KNOW THEIR TOWNS, IJEBU KNOW THEIRS IN LAGOS AND OGUN STATES, IJESA KNOW THEIRS, IFE KNOW THEIRS, THEY HAVE KINGS, JUNIOR AND PARAMOUNT. SO NO ONE SHOULD CALL THE FACE OF A NATION A JUNIOR KING. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. IJESA, IJEBU, EGBA, AWORI ETC ARE ALL NATIONS. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Nobody: 2:39pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
@spiralwedge How is ijebu ode being capital makes shagamu subservient to ijebu seeing as the remos are ijebus too? Last i heard of that state creation is Obasanjo said he supported it only if ikenne were the capital in respect to awo. Akarigbo said if ijebu ode were to be capital then another name will be for the state, or an ijebu state then the capital at ikenne, which makes me wonder why not sagamu? Awujale says ijebu state and ijebu ode as capital. The odogbolu thing wasn't a rumour, the awujale stated that himself as he was told by abacha. It's a tough one to decide as am ijebu myself. Leaves one to wonder what position does the awujale have to take to achieve it's state? Why don't it go like kano kano, sokoto sokoto, so we have ijebu ijebu and have all major governments institutions distributed across these domains that make up ijebu as a whole? In sum concentration of power will not be to ijebu ode alone so as not to seem overriding to others. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by lawani: 4:13pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Vorpal: IJEBU HAVE TOWNS IN OGUN AND LAGOS STATES. THEIR AIM SHOULD BE TO MERGE THOSE TOWNS AND TAKE CONTROL OF THEIR LANDS. WHERE THEY PUT CAPITAL IS THEIR HEADACHE. EREDO THE SPRAWLING CAPITAL OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO IS NOW BUSH. WHY NOT IKENNE TO HONOR AWO? YOU ALWAYS DO SOMETHING BECAUSE OF SOMETHING. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Nobody: 6:11pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
lawani: I think it's too ambitious at the moment even if possible to reclaim such lands. Plus the kings over such land, will they be willinging to be part of a yet developing state as opposed to Lagos which has already attained mega city status? Honouring Awo with the Ikenne thing putting into consideration how much he has acheived in Yoruba land is quite overly placating to me. He has roads named after him all over the country as well as a university named after him. He could as well have something named after even after ijebu state is formed. However I still think going Ijebu-Ijebu way is a better format seeing as no region denies being ijebu as well as even distribution of government awareness and infrastructural development all over ijebu land. I hardly think the Akarigbo would even be opposed to that idea. The Awujale will just have to be a paramount figure that he is and look at the bigger picture. Ikeja is the state capital in Lagos,yet lands on the island are way expensive and more concentration of commercial industries on the island.People naturally gravitate to the area with better prospects either capital or no capital. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by lawani: 7:06pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
Vorpal: IJEBU IS IJEBU. THAT IS A TRADITIONAL STATE. NOTHING TOO AMBITIOUS IN MERGING IJEBU LANDS. IT IS TO MAINTAIN PROPER IDENTITY AS IT SHOULD BE. LEAVE IJEBU FOR IJEBUS AND THEY WILL DEVELOP IT WITH HELP FROM OTHERS WHO ARE WILLING TO COOPERATE WITH THEM. THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO MAINTAIN SANITY ON EARTH. A LARGE PART OF LAGOS IS AWORI ETC. |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by Nobody: 7:46pm On Jan 12, 2017 |
lawani: Okay oh. So these lands are, ibeju lekki? Ikorodu? Epe? 1 Like |
Re: Alake Is A Junior King In Yorubaland – Awujale by AlphaMogul: 8:45am On Feb 13 |
The following is an account of the history of Ijebu Ife as recorded by historians and which is in accord with the traditions handed down by the ancestors of the King of the town, Ajalorun:Bump. Erunwon near Ijebu Ode. |
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