gentleheart1:


What clear fact, what archaeological and scientific evidence do you have to back up your claims.

Truth is the writers of Yoruba history are confused,you are rely more on oral history and thats why people dont take you people serious.

scholes0:
Chai... what is the Benin palace hiding?
is the Oba dead?

Etinosajay:
@Niyinficient

If the ooni had visited benin, It will be customary for him to visit the palace.

I believe he declined to come, because he had stirred up controversy with those claims of his.

The crown prince in age is senior to the ooni, so who should better know what his history says?

Oba sijuade towed this line at some time, but ultimately backed down, when challenged for evidence by Oba Erediauwa.

We as Edos are very accommodating, and if the ooni has visited, the palace would have sent representatives to his wedding, as he is a royal father of his people too.

Bottom line is, the Yorubas should stop that attitude of dis respecting every tradition or culture that is not theirs.

On Nairaland here, you see Yoruba goons lampoon and disrespect the culture of other people (ibos, hausas, ijaws, efik, etc) while claiming they are superior. A move only inferior people make.

Respect is reciprocal

scholes0:
Chai... what is the Benin palace hiding?
is the Oba dead?

Gaddafithe2nd:

that is why there are different accounts. In all the history have read about there is nothing like he came from Benin.
1. Some said he comes from the sky. which I don't believe
2. Some account said he is from Mecca
3. The last account says Egypt.
I am saying nothing like Benin. The distortion of history from south was caused by their inability to write.

prettyprecy:


History book states that Oduduwa came from the east. that in itself is a fact. The east of Yoruba land is Benin Kingdom. But because of superiority claims, Biased historians decided to change that east to the far east. And that in itself is where the facts were deducted . If we decide to be more objective, It would be easy to figure out the facts.

prettyprecy:


History book states that Oduduwa came from the east. that in itself is a fact. The east of Yoruba land is Benin Kingdom. But because of superiority claims, Biased historians decided to change that east to the far east. And that in itself is where the facts were deducted . If we decide to be more objective, It would be easy to figure out the facts.

SycophanticGoat:



Bini na Yoruba?

Etinosajay:
@Niyinficient

If the ooni had visited benin, It will be customary for him to visit the palace.

I believe he declined to come, because he had stirred up controversy with those claims of his.

The crown prince in age is senior to the ooni, so who should better know what his history says?

Oba sijuade towed this line at some time, but ultimately backed down, when challenged for evidence by Oba Erediauwa.

We as Edos are very accommodating, and if the ooni has visited, the palace would have sent representatives to his wedding, as he is a royal father of his people too.

Bottom line is, the Yorubas should stop that attitude of dis respecting every tradition or culture that is not theirs.

On Nairaland here, you see Yoruba goons lampoon and disrespect the culture of other people (ibos, hausas, ijaws, efik, etc) while claiming they are superior. A move only inferior people make.

Respect is reciprocal

Btruth:
New beginning for Benin Kingdom. I prayed this 2 new Obas in the Yoruba land should bring us good tidings IJN.

Gaddafithe2nd:


If it is Benin Kingdom, Yoruba came out why are the Binis not as populous as Yoruba, why are you minorities. These are the factors we should explain to ourselves

hensben:
Yorubas were already existing as people before izoduwa aka oduduwa came. So there is no time Binis claim Yoruba came out from them. How is that possible oduduwa came from Arab world when there was no flight then, when he wasn't captured as slave. Considering the distance from Egypt to Nigeria so he didn't see anywhere to settle but Ife. Bini only have one story about izoduduwa aka oduduwa but Yorubas have like 5 story about him. What does that tell you huh. The truth is Yorubas don't know how oduduwa came to their town and he never told Yorubas due to he left Bini kingdom as a result of dispute.

Gaddafithe2nd:


Haha.... You just goofed. For your info people travel from sub-sahara countries to middles east for Hajj. please say another thing.
Technology has made some people to be lazy.
During the time if Prophet Muhammed when he and his followers were persecuted in Mecca, he travelled all the way from Mecca to Abyssinia (Ethiopia). Guy know dey talk that thing again

hensben:
i goofed, how? Or na you dey confuse about oduduwa. my point is, there is no way oduduwa will head down west when Arab countries were surrounding him to settle. Ok how about other Yoruba authors that said he fell from the sky. That's to tell you they don't know how oduduwa came to Yoruba land.

Etinosajay:


Otemwen no ghan

Edion Edo we rue do

Nedoghama nisighama

Niyinficient:



Bro, pls stop this fallacy about Yoruba disrespecting other tribes. Yorubas hasn't gone to Benin to claim they own they land, they havnt been to Onitsha, Kano or Warri to claim superiority. Every tribe is guilty of claiming to b d best. I lived n schooled in Benin, Yorubas don't av abusive name for other tribes unlike other tribes, some part of edos av abusive name for Yorubas and I don't know any abusive name Yorubas call Benin or Edos, so who is lampooning and disrespecting who? You and I know that different tribalistic comments sometimes flood nairaland and every tribe is guilty of that.

I don't know whr u got ur claim that this present Ooni claim Binis are Yorubas from, this Ooni seems to b humble as he has shown wit his visits and peace campaign across Yorubaland.


You said he ought to have visited the Oba's palace in Benin during his wedding, to see who? The dead Oba, the vacant throne or the Crowned Prince dat hasn't taken over?

That the crowned prince senior the Ooni in age doesn't mean the he knows the Yoruba history more than the Ooni. Mind you, the claim that the oba of Benin is part of the children of Oduduwa is boldly written in their history and it's been taught in schools. I blive the Benin version too is available to students of Bini language. So don't blame anyone for these claims from both side. It's wat they have been taught by their fathers and the fathers before their fathers. We should know that.

Gaddafithe2nd:


In Yoruba tradition the Oba do not go to the brides family during wedding. His family will do everything for him. Do you want Oba to postrate to his in-law, it is a taboo.

Etinosajay:


Good, that is your tradition. And it was respected by your-in-laws.

Maybe you people should look inwards and begin to respect the traditions of other tribes in Nigeria.

Gaddafithe2nd:


If it is Benin Kingdom, Yoruba came out why are the Binis not as populous as Yoruba, why are you minorities. These are the factors we should explain to ourselves

prettyprecy:


Note: I am not Bini I am a historian.

Yoruba land was already in existence before the coming of Oduduwa. Kings like Obatala had ruled yoruba land before Oduduwa came to yoruba land. According to oral traditions there was a Vaccum in the palace that needed to be filled by someone chosen by the ifa and ifa stated that a man would be found in the forest and that man turned out to be a bini prince that left his Kingdom (The story that Oduduwa came from the middle east sounds like a fairytale just like saying he descended from the sky)

Also note that prior to that period there was no relationship between the yorubas and the bini's.
And also the system of government before the coming of Oduduwa to yoruba land was a failure. Have you wondered why it became a sucess during the time of Oduduwa till date?
Because Oduduwa had experience with kingship and was coming from a Kingdom that had a centralised system of government. The ogiso ruled bini Kingdom for a very long time before the transitioning to The Oba kingship system.
Also Note that if Oduduwa never had a relationship with the Binis. Why would he be called upon to rule.
And also there is no similarity whatsoever with the Bini and Yoruba culture
The only similarity is in their political system.

Oduduwa was never a progenitor of the yoruba race. He only started the present kingship system in yoruba land.
What you need to do is find out who Oduduwa truly is.

prettyprecy:


Note: I am not Bini I am a historian.

Yoruba land was already in existence before the coming of Oduduwa. Kings like Obatala had ruled yoruba land before Oduduwa came to yoruba land. According to oral traditions there was a Vaccum in the palace that needed to be filled by someone chosen by the ifa and ifa stated that a man would be found in the forest and that man turned out to be a bini prince that left his Kingdom (The story that Oduduwa came from the middle east sounds like a fairytale just like saying he descended from the sky)

Also note that prior to that period there was no relationship between the yorubas and the bini's.
And also the system of government before the coming of Oduduwa to yoruba land was a failure. Have you wondered why it became a sucess during the time of Oduduwa till date?
Because Oduduwa had experience with kingship and was coming from a Kingdom that had a centralised system of government. The ogiso ruled bini Kingdom for a very long time before the transitioning to The Oba kingship system.
Also Note that if Oduduwa never had a relationship with the Binis. Why would he be called upon to rule.
And also there is no similarity whatsoever with the Bini and Yoruba culture
The only similarity is in their political system.

Oduduwa was never a progenitor of the yoruba race. He only started the present kingship system in yoruba land.
What you need to do is find out who Oduduwa truly is.

Etinosajay:
See how they conveniently swarm a thread that celebrates the culture and tradition of Benin Kingdom, to peddle lies and falsehood.

They do this to igbos, urhobos, itsekiris, and the reason is beyond comprehension.

This alter ego of superiority is nothing but low levels of inferiority coupled with envy. They don't like to see others celebrate.

They call our friends from the east, land grabbers and other fiticious names, when in real sense, that title fits them more in this instance.

You guys adore your tradition and expect respect from others. How can you have it, when you have no form of respect for others.

I love them as friends, but I detest their swollen alter ego.

back2sender:

Because we are your fathers and very accomodating. We can speaking bini and Yoruba very fluently but can you speak bini fluently.

monex:

Untrue !!!

and hope you know that you cannot even prove that oranmiyan existed. these were acient history/myth that were passed by word of mouth. so at least you are smarter than the lots here to know the benin account is different from the yoruba account. so respect their account as they respect yours. None of you can prove your accounts.

monex:

due to cross culture borders, there are always language influences. Yoruba names by benin peeps are rare and have no meaning in benin.

see understand that that everything you guys are arguing about are myth. there is no documented records before the 11th century. a lot of it is spread by word of mouth hence both the benin and yoruba account are unproven. respect theirs and they'll respect yours. The Ooni was wise not to be drawn to a supremacy battle. Be wise like your Ooni

prettyprecy:


History book states that Oduduwa came from the east. that in itself is a fact. The east of Yoruba land is Benin Kingdom. But because of superiority claims, Biased historians decided to change that east to the far east. And that in itself is where the facts were deducted . If we decide to be more objective, It would be easy to figure out the facts.

VirginFinder:


Hardly will Binis bear children and not give them at least one Yoruba name. And of course, the names cannot have Bini meaning because they are Yoruba names lending credence to the fact that many Binis do understand Yoruba somehow.

Bini and Yoruba account are the same just that Binis claim Oduduwa is Ekaladerhan from Benin. Whereas, Oduduwa is from the middle east.
Go and look for your Ekaladerhan elsewhere.
Oduduwa is NOT Ekaladerhan!

nortcentrallord:


Oba went on a journey so his son has to be crowned the new Oba in his stead.

If you still ain't convinced, please take a walk to the Oba's palace, @ d gate, inside the compound take a walk down your left and you 'll find a small hut down the extreme. Get inside and find out if the Oba is dead. Good luck.

Hahaha, that will be a journey of no return

Etinosajay:


I do not need any soothsayer to confirm my earlier assertion. Yorubas show disrespect to traditions of other people, especially here on Nairaland. Evidence again is contained in this your very response.

So if the ooni had visited benin, he would have shunned the Crown Prince?

Do you know what Crown Prince means in Benin?

Per benin tradition & custom, the crown prince is taken through a lengthy rites and rituals before ascending the throne of his forefathers. He is the Oba already. This is known immediately he is born, not by election or what have you, like elsewhere.

So I hope you got that correction now.

So bini have abusive names for Yoruba? There you go again with your lies and half truth. I was born here, and live here, so maybe you now know benin more than I do.

Another lie you people massage your ego with is also contained in your response. Can you provide the Edo book written by our benin historian that says benin came from yoruba.

See my friend, you can chose to believe whatever you like about your own history, but when it comes to mine, I do not need a stranger to tell it to me.

That is what annoys me, you know and hold your history which is sacred to you, and you want to write that of others for them too.

I recognise that in the days of old, different cultures may have mingled, as you said in a different comment, but that is what it is.

I just hope you guys can swallow your pride and stop peddling false claims.

4nobody4every1:
Hahaha, that will be a journey of no return

EDUECO:
The enthronement of the new Oba(Eheneden Erediauwa) in Igodomigodo(Edo) kingdom is a quasi beginning for us all! May the reign of our Oba brings us prosperity! Ise! Asagbonrioba,Osa orue nowan!