OneManLegion:
I did a bit of snooping around yesterday and my gut instincts tell me there almost certainly ARE extra-terrestrial sentient beings.

Sometimes, these conspiracy theorists just have a point.

Who's read on "The Ariel Event"?

Happened in Zimbabwe, on the 14th of September 1994.

Cc. SirWere
Johnydon22
Taurus25

Just read it now........

Very very spooky.............


And quite annoying!

The UFO(if they .........exist?) should stop playing hide and seek and show themselves for Bleep sake!!

SirWere:


Just read it now........

Very very spooky.............


And quite annoying!

The UFO(if they .........exist?) should stop playing hide and seek and show themselves for Bleep sake!!

You and Taurus25 are quite eager for aliens to show themselves.

Smh.

I'm curious too but I can't say that I share your enthusiasm.

Those guys might mean no good afterall, you know?

We're talking about a possible existential threat here.

OneManLegion:


You and Taurus25 are quite eager for aliens to show themselves.

Smh.

I'm curious too but I can't say that I share your enthusiasm.

Those guys might mean no good afterall, you know?

We're talking about a possible existential threat here.

Meh, I think not.

Think about it :

-They are obviously more advanced than us, seeing that the nearest planet liable to support life are a few million light years away.

- They would probably be glad to see another lifeform (assuming we are the first one they see) whom they can share ideas with and stuff.

- For Christ sake, this guys can probably go anywhere in the observable universe. Why conquer Earth


No, methinks UFO will probably be like us, not extremely bad nor extremely good but somewhere in between.

OneManLegion:

You and Taurus25 are quite eager for aliens to show themselves.
Smh.
I'm curious too but I can't say that I share your enthusiasm.
Those guys might mean no good afterall, you know?
We're talking about a possible existential threat here.

l0l.....curiosity is one dangerous part of human nature brother

OneManLegion:
I did a bit of snooping around yesterday and my gut instincts tell me there almost certainly ARE extra-terrestrial sentient beings.

Sometimes, these conspiracy theorists just have a point.

Who's read on "The Ariel Event"?

Happened in Zimbabwe, on the 14th of September 1994.

Cc. SirWere
Johnydon22
Taurus25

taurus25:

well honestly, till date that is one of the most convincing ive read about coupled with the fact that no rational explanations have been given ......i think a movie about it is in production.
if atall there are truly aliens then maybe its high time they stop their hide and seek game

I have never read that story and i just did so this night but i must say it is not all that convincing to me.

Ok lets imagine the scenario where all the adults in the school were in a meeting leaving only the pupils in the play ground.

-First it is unlikely for schools to leave only pupils in a play ground without an adult eye.

Now on a second question plea

-the school is located at a certain area in a vicinity, surely there must be people leaving around.

hundreds if not thousands.

And out of all this enormous possible numbers no other person saw the craft land except the school children?

Naaaah that is very unlikely.

For that story to have weight there must be other people outside who must have also seen a space craft escorted by smaller ones approach the school.

But nobody did.

the only testimony available are that of the pupils..

No that is no convincing enough for me...

You see when it comes to U.F.O sightings i am very sceptical about it..

In science "eye witness account" is not evidence.

Nei Degress Tyson once said " you cannot come out and claim you saw an alien ship or was abducted by one, such eye witness account doesn't hold water. If you want to be listened to why not grab something from the ship and show to us"

In science nobody takes "eye witness account" as an evidence.

If someone brings out an alien artifact taken from an alien ship, we all know it will be very unusual and different from every other thing we have on earth, therefore can add a little weight to their claims.

Until someone provides solid proof for such claims, such stories remain stories (claims) and in the scientific community remains bogus.

SirWere:


Meh, I think not.

Think about it :

-They are obviously more advanced than us, seeing that the nearest planet liable to support life are a few million light years away.

- They would probably be glad to see another lifeform (assuming we are the first one they see) whom they can share ideas with and stuff.

- For Christ sake, this guys can probably go anywhere in the observable universe. Why conquer Earth


No, methinks UFO will probably be like us, not extremely bad nor extremely good but somewhere in between.

Hahahaha Humans are the most blind and deluded species i know of.

We have not shared ideas and stuffs with other life forms we have close relationship with and share this planet with.

we have not and i doubt if we can even establish any form of communication with these closely related earth neighbours we have around.

But here we are hoping to establish communication with one that is extra- terrestrial from our home planet.

what are you going to speak to the Aliens? English?

So blinded from that which is in front of us we are deluding ourselves with that which is far away from us that can be called but a shadow.

johnydon22:



I have never read that story and i just did so this night but i must say it is not all that convincing to me.

Ok lets imagine the scenario where all the adults in the school were in a meeting leaving only the pupils in the play ground.

-First it is unlikely for schools to leave only pupils in a play ground without an adult eye.

Now on a second question plea

-the school is located at a certain area in a vicinity, surely there must be people leaving around.

hundreds if not thousands.

And out of all this enormous possible numbers no other person saw the craft land except the school children?

Naaaah that is very unlikely.

For that story to have weight there must be other people outside who must have also seen a space craft escorted by smaller ones approach the school.

But nobody did.

the only testimony available are that of the pupils..

No that is no convincing enough for me...

You see when it comes to U.F.O sightings i am very sceptical about it..

In science "eye witness account" is not evidence.

Nei Degress Tyson once said " you cannot come out and claim you saw an alien ship or was abducted by one, such eye witness account doesn't hold water. If you want to be listened to why not grab something from the ship and show to us"

In science nobody takes "eye witness account" as an evidence.

If someone brings out an alien artifact taken from an alien ship, we all know it will be very unusual and different from every other thing we have on earth, therefore can add a little weight to their claims.

Until someone provides solid proof for such claims, such stories remain stories (claims) and in the scientific community remains bogus.

Your skepticism is understandable but I'm afraid you didn't dig deep enough.

A lot of people made UFO sightings in Zimbabwe few days prior to that incidence.

The kids tried to get the woman who sold confectionery but the woman wouldn't leave her shop because she doubted the children's story and didn't want to leave her shop vulnerable to thieves.

You see, the children were asked(by the psychotherapist) to sketch what they saw(the alien and the UFO) and they ALL drew something similar.

They were interviewed individually and they all gave similar accounts of the events that took place.

Most importantly, they were not exposed to the "UFO sightings" craze and couldn't have made it up.

That event remains one of the most convincing UFO sighting incident ever.

OneManLegion:


Your skepticism is understandable but I'm afraid you didn't dig deep enough.

A lot of people made UFO sightings in Zimbabwe few days prior to that incidence.

The kids tried to get the woman who sold confectionery but the woman wouldn't leave her shop because she doubted the children's story and didn't want to leave her shop vulnerable to thieves.

You see, the children were asked(by the psychotherapist) to sketch what they saw(the alien and the UFO) and they ALL drew something similar.

They were interviewed individually and they all gave similar accounts of the events that took place.

Most importantly, they were not exposed to the "UFO sightings" craze and couldn't have made it up.

That event remains one of the most convincing UFO sighting incident ever.

That is quite intriguing but still doesn't account to the fact no other person saw that particular event that only the kids saw.

If a flying machine suddenly appears in the sky close for people to see majority would see it not some selected few.

My position when it comes to U.F.O alien theories remains.

U.F.O means Unidentified flying Objects and as it name implies "Unidentified" means we have no idea what it is.

If you call it an alien space ship, it is no longer "Unidentified" since you already identified what it is.

Lenticular clouds are said to be the most causes of U.F.O sightings, that we don't know what a flying object is doesn't mean it is alien.

Until we get a clear picture of such claims, maybe the aliens stop landing in back yard of farmers and school children and start landing in airports.

till then there is no need to paint a picture based on such vague shadowy claims.

Here's my own hypothesis.

What if we're looking at the whole intelligence thing in the wrong way? The seemingly large or perhaps, slight difference between living and non-living things, why was there life in the first place? Was it necessary to exist? If so, why? , or we were just lucky? Let us look at these questions.

1.Other planets with seemingly earth like conditions, assuming life was able to start on them... What if they didn't evolve towards intelligence? As evolution selects only species best suited to their certain environment. We of-course don't expect all the earth-like planets to have the same environmental factors as ours, the number and properties of other celestial bodies around it. A good back up to this is the previous dominance of the reptiles most particularly dinosaurs on earth, if that huge meteor hadn't hit earth, then would we, mammals have gotten a chance to survive or evolve to this point? Would dinosaurs have reached a stage of intelligence?( I very much doubt this, but who knows?) Would other factors have changed or continued that might have also led to the dominance of other species entirely which unlike humans or more appropriately mammals didn't evolve towards intelligence nor dinosaurs towards size and large body parts?
Evolution into multicellular organisms occurred in various independent forms on earth, yet only the kingdom of animals found a specie which evolved towards intelligence, didn't other forms of multicellular organism continue to evolve? Would other forms, perhaps the slime moulds (just an instance) be able to evolve towards intelligence perhaps in a few million or billion years?
Or would they evolve into another forms of survival, perhaps more efficient than intelligence? We might never know, because most of this factors are much beyond our scope of calculation and observation which of_course start the course of. Experimentation and calculations, which would therefore lead to more questions, maybe more answers, we might never know, we are considering matters of the scope of billions of years both into space and into time.
2. All this factors are also present in earth like planets, many of them might not have evolved towards intelligence.
3. How much do we know of life? Since this is the basis of the question of intelligence, just like atoms are the basis of matter,oh! Sorry not anymore, now we have protons, neutrons ,electrons, which in turn are made up of other units, then more sub-units, and more and more, into infinity, hope you get that scope. What if apart from our focus on earth-like planets, there are other forms of life-like existence, that our own life form and senses cannot detect, how much can human really perceive? Senses of touch, smell, sight, taste, and hearing ,are they the only forms of perception there is in this universe? Have other beings evolved into this forms of perception, is there more to what we know? are we only seeing one side of the coin? I mean why should we assume other life forms would perceive like us, for instance, let's say plants are intelligence, then while looking for organisms of their own like, only focus on the idea that all other organisms like them have to be green, any other life to them , seem un-life like, let's take a stroll into the bible, in genesis it is said, "let's make man in our own image" what if there are other images?

Do you not think so?

johnydon22:


That is quite intriguing but still doesn't account to the fact no other person saw that particular event that only the kids saw.

If a flying machine suddenly appears in the sky close for people to see majority would see it not some selected few.

My position when it comes to U.F.O alien theories remains.

U.F.O means Unidentified flying Objects and as it name implies "Unidentified" means we have no idea what it is.

If you call it an alien space ship, it is no longer "Unidentified" since you already identified what it is.

Lenticular clouds are said to be the most causes of U.F.O sightings, that we don't know what a flying object is doesn't mean it is alien.

Until we get a clear picture of such claims, maybe the aliens stop landing in back yard of farmers and school children and start landing in airports.

till then there is no need to paint a picture based on such vague shadowy claims.

Since only children saw it, maybe it was only their senses that was able to pick it up, but I still don't think it was an alien ship, if an alien specie, travelled all the way to earth, and they're like us humans, they'll want to make an impression, impose on us an idea of how sophisticated they are, and I don't believe they would travel all those years only to land on earth and what? Vanished?

rhizoidz:
Here's my own hypothesis.

What if we're looking at the whole intelligence thing in the wrong way? The seemingly large or perhaps, slight difference between living and non-living things, why was there life in the first place? Was it necessary to exist? If so, why? , or we were just lucky? Let us look at these questions.

1.Other planets with seemingly earth like conditions, assuming life was able to start on them... What if they didn't evolve towards intelligence? As evolution selects only species best suited to their certain environment. We of-course don't expect all the earth-like planets to have the same environmental factors as ours, the number and properties of other celestial bodies around it. A good back up to this is the previous dominance of the reptiles most particularly dinosaurs on earth, if that huge meteor hadn't hit earth, then would we, mammals have gotten a chance to survive or evolve to this point? Would dinosaurs have reached a stage of intelligence?( I very much doubt this, but who knows?) Would other factors have changed or continued that might have also led to the dominance of other species entirely which unlike humans or more appropriately mammals didn't evolve towards intelligence nor dinosaurs towards size and large body parts?
Evolution into multicellular organisms occurred in various independent forms on earth, yet only the kingdom of animals found a specie which evolved towards intelligence, didn't other forms of multicellular organism continue to evolve? Would other forms, perhaps the slime moulds (just an instance) be able to evolve towards intelligence perhaps in a few million or billion years?
Or would they evolve into another forms of survival, perhaps more efficient than intelligence? We might never know, because most of this factors are much beyond our scope of calculation and observation which of_course start the course of. Experimentation and calculations, which would therefore lead to more questions, maybe more answers, we might never know, we are considering matters of the scope of billions of years both into space and into time.
2. All this factors are also present in earth like planets, many of them might not have evolved towards intelligence.
3. How much do we know of life? Since this is the basis of the question of intelligence, just like atoms are the basis of matter,oh! Sorry not anymore, now we have protons, neutrons ,electrons, which in turn are made up of other units, then more sub-units, and more and more, into infinity, hope you get that scope. What if apart from our focus on earth-like planets, there are other forms of life-like existence, that our own life form and senses cannot detect, how much can human really perceive? Senses of touch, smell, sight, taste, and hearing ,are they the only forms of perception there is in this universe? Have other beings evolved into this forms of perception, is there more to what we know? are we only seeing one side of the coin? I mean why should we assume other life forms would perceive like us, for instance, let's say plants are intelligence, then while looking for organisms of their own like, only focus on the idea that all other organisms like them have to be green, any other life to them , seem un-life like, let's take a stroll into the bible, in genesis it is said, "let's make man in our own image" what if there are other images?

Do you not think so?

Have you read Micheal Criction's "sphere"

I replied this two times about 3 days ago. What happened

johnydon22:


Hahahaha Humans are the most blind and deluded species i know of.

We have not shared ideas and stuffs with other life forms we have close relationship with and share this planet with.

Insofar as the first paragprah is your personal opinion, I agree with it.

As for the second paragraph. That's not true. Man has formed tight bonds with other animals, domesticated them, tamed them and even loved them like true beings.
The cat, dog, horse and even snake (dem ancient Indian movies.....) are examples.

we have not and i doubt if we can even establish any form of communication with these closely related earth neighbours we have around.

We have actually. Some neurobiologists have been experimenting with monkeys, Chimps, and other primates, trying to teach them human language and vice-versa

But here we are hoping to establish communication with one that is extra- terrestrial from our home planet.

By that same logic, Man should never have gone to the moon or plan to go to mars because we have not completely explored the earth yet.

what are you going to speak to the Aliens? English?

We'll cross that bridge when(if) we ever get there.

[quoteSo blinded from that which is in front of us we are deluding ourselves with that which is far away from us that can be called but a shadow. [/quote]

Really poetic lines............
No really, it is.


And why are you so pessimistic about the possibility of ET signalling us I thought that was you guy's wet dreams

i read the entire post on fermi paradox and then went to sleep to rest my confused brain cells

and today with a clear and repaired mind i am here again with all the fellow physicists , ufologists , cultists , atheists , trolls etc etc here in nairaland to find our own answer to fermi paradox

answer

Copenhagen interpretation is one of the most commonly taught interpretations of quantum mechanics which introduces the concept of wave function collapse.
here every event exists as a “wave function” which contains every possible outcome of that event, which “collapses”—distilling into the actual outcome, once it is observed. For example, if a room is unobserved, anything and everything that could possibly be in that room exists in “quantum superposition”—an indeterminate state, full of every possibility, at least until someone enters the room and observes it, thereby collapsing the wave function and solidifying the reality.
unfortunately bro sorry to waste ur time we are not interested in the above Copenhagen interpretation but in the Everett interpretation named after Hugh Everett.
It’s known colloquially as the Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI), because it postulates simply that the wave function never collapses; it simply branches into its own unique world-line, resulting in every possible outcome of every situation existing in physical reality.

the important line here to keep in mind from above is this :
resulting in every possible outcome of every situation existing in physical reality
which implies that Highly Unusual, Unlikely Events Must Happen/play out atleast once in our timeline or in our alternate timelines, if an event has not happened now it will happen sometime in the future in the present timeline or in the infinite possible alternate timelines, nothing can stop it from happening.


so ogas dont be sad if u have not met a alien
because if the above Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) holds true than 100% chances are there that at-least one of the infinite no of doppelgangers/clones of each oga browsing in this thread in their respective infinite timeline (infinite universes) will sure bump into a alien at least once if not already done.
only there is a slight problem if one of your doppelganger in a particular timeline (universe) did meet a alien he would have no way of communicating the news to you (since Many Worlds Interpretation of quantum mechanics forbids crossing over between timelines/universes)

so guys dont fret u cant expect both to eat the cake and have the cherry as well

SirWere:

Have you read Micheal Criction's "sphere"

I haven't,just read a summary on wiki and the idea of space-time travel/explorations has always spooked me, let us not bite what we can't chew and chew what we won't be able to swallow nor spit.

rhizoidz:
I haven't,just read a summary on wiki and the idea of space-time travel/explorations has always spooked me, let us not bite what we can't chew and chew what we won't be able to swallow nor spit.

hmmm..... That's deep

What if white people are aliens?

Okay just kidding.