politricks:
You are already telling the truth albeit little by little. Like i said, the crusaders did not only kill muslims but also thousands of jews. Tell me, are jews also evil? Below pic should joggle your memory too.

Who painted that picture? Is it Islamic Altigyya lord?

analice107:

Who painted that picture? Is it Islamic Altigyya lord?

Who painted the one you guys posted, is it the pope?

Interesting. Islamic and Christianic theology has their Yin and Yang, Good and Evil.

politricks:
Quit saying what you don't know. I schooled in the north and a lot of yoruba people do lead prayers where notherners also pray even the imam of the mosque close to my house is yoruba while the ladan is hausa and besides, are you trying to tell me no notherner has ever prayed in the various mosques in southwest lead by a yoruba man?. Ironically,what you are talking about happens most in christainity where you will see a christain leave the church winners chapel in his frontyard and travel far away to 'his redeemed church' as against the case of a muslim or is jesus present in some and absent in the other?. Don't forget to reply my other post with links or are you still searching for words....lol.

I made this statement, as shown below, but you choosed to ignore it. Read them again:

'True islam is the sunnah of the islamic prophet which the northern muslims try to emulate. The sunnah of the prophet means that you can marry a baby as a wife (quran 65:4), you must hate the christians and the jews (quran 5;51), you can sleep with a 9-yr old girl (even if the man is 55 like mohammed did to aisha), you can fight the unbelievers (quran 8:39), you can beat your wife (quran 4:34), etc. Since most yoruba muslims find these acts of your prophet despicable, the northern muslims consider them infidels'.

Since the yorubas are more decent than mohammed, by not following the sunnah, how do you think the muslims in the north will take you as a true muslim? Its not possible.

Please can you mention any single mosque in the north where a yorubaman leads prayer? I will like to pay that mosque a visit because it is shocking to me.

On the issue of some christians not attending another congregation aside from theirs, you are right to an extent. Some do while others dont. I worship with assemblies of God church but I do attend redeem programs regularly, it is an individual thing and there is no any church that will ask any of its member not to attend another church. The good news is that you can never hear that a redeem member who planted a bomb in depeerlife church.

However among the muslims, almost on a daily basis, the sunnis blow up the shia mosque and machine-gun shia worshipper for being fake muslims. Around the world, the sunnis oppress and shia and the ahmadiyyas, killing them and jailing their leaders. Saudi arabia recently beheaded the shia leader in their country on false charges of terrorism while Iran bombed saudi embassy for that. The saudis do not allow the ahmadiyyas and the alawites to perform hajj. Any ahmadiyya that must perform hajj will first deny that he\she is not ahmadiyya before he\can be granted an entry visa.

Have you seen how peaceful and tolerant islam is?

politricks:
You are just bombarding me but i will reply one by one Those verses you quoted up there were both revealed in medina so you statement is flawed already. As to your question, the prophet was the one and only person that recieved revelation from God. A question for you too, why has no christain be able to walk on water since jesus died?

Well this shows how ignorant you are if you cannot decipher the meccan verse from the medina verses. Mohammed's religious tolerance ended in mecca where\when he was being persecuted by the meccan pagan because mohammed abused tham and destroyed their gods. He had to preach peace in mecca in order to save himself. You can read the tasfir of ibn ishaq to have a better understanding of this fact. A christian need not lecture you on islam.

There is no where in the bible that God said he will make christians walk on water because Jesus did. However, God promised to pour out his Spirit among men so that they can see visions and dream dreams. That is why a pastor can pray for you and prophesy into your life with a vision he might see concerning you,

See mohammed died, 1400 years ago, has allahh given any muslim revelation?

politricks:
Lol i thought it's only islam that is synonymous with violence. Now it's an issue of defense. Your statement shows that you know nothing of the crusade because you would have known that not only muslims were killed but also thousands of jews. Read about 'rhineland massacre'. Excerpt from wikipedia: Enlightenment historians tended to view the Middle Ages in general, and the Crusades in
particular, as the efforts of
barbarian cultures driven by fanaticism.[26] By the early Romantic period in the 19th century, that harsh view of the
Crusades and their era had softened;[27] scholarship later in the century emphasised specialisation and detail.[28] Eighteenth-century
Enlightenment scholars and
modern Western historians have
expressed moral outrage at the
conduct of the crusaders. Steven Runciman wrote during the 1950s, "High ideals were
besmirched by cruelty and greed
... the Holy War was nothing more
than a long act of intolerance in the name of God".[29]

Europe is a blessed countinent today because of the sacrifice the crusaders made in the defense of europe against the arab-muslim invaders and jihadist. Had europe failed, they would been as poor and disorganized like most muslim countries of today. Aside from few oil-rich arab countries, all the non-oil arabs countries are suffering, fighting and running to europe and america for survival. Islam, allahh and mohammed had failed them big time.

Even saudi would have been in turmoil if their is no US military presence and supports that protect the very immoral and corrupt saudi royal families.

Read bro, read.

politricks:
You are already telling the truth albeit little by little. Like i said, the crusaders did not only kill muslims but also thousands of jews. Tell me, are jews also evil? Below pic should joggle your memory too.

If you alleged that the crusaders kill the Jews also I will say they did not do that in obedience to christ. Jesus never asked the christians to fight and kill the Jews hence the crusaders was doing that wrongly.

On the other hand, allahh and mohammed asked muslims to fight and kill the jews. See prooves below:

The following can be of help to you, they are mohammed's instructions:

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Quran 9:29-Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Qur’an 9:30—And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away.

Qur’an 98:6—Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They (the christians and the Jews) are the worst of creatures.

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 —Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”

Quran-5.60 “…[the Jews] whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and who served the Shaitan…”

Quran-5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah … and the Fire will be his abode and for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Not only does this verse say Christians burn in hell, it also equates them to “polytheists”, thus negating their “special status” as “people of the book”.]

Quran-9.29 “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.”

The hadith and quranic verses above are what inspired the muslim arabs, the saudis, the pakistanis and other allahh-inspired muslims to go on the offensive against the christians and the Jews.

And as I said earlier, CNN, BBC, FOX, MSNBS and other media network will always defend islamic atrocities worldwide. They will say that muslim carrying out terror in obedience to allahh and mohammed are RADICALIZED while the muslim terrorist will allahh and mohammed to justify their terror against the infidels.

Mohammed in his own word said and I quote: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR

I will give you that hadith numbers if you want, on the above quote. How can you, a sane man, follow a terrorist who founded islam? Are you ok at all, or simply ignorance or were born in islam?

proudkafir:
It is either you are ignorant about islam or you are deliberately lying to cover-up for your religion\allahh\mohammed. Quran 2:256 was revealed in mecca, when mohammed was weak, and was abrogated and replace with quran 9:29, a verse supposedly revealed in medina when mohammed became strong.

Study the quranic principles of abrogation before making your assertions. Mohammed revelations always come to make things conducive for his selfish interest.

May I ask you something, after the death of mohammed why did allahh stop showing revelation to any other muslim?

why not go study ur bible very well...face Ur religion, we all av right to believe in whatever religion we like now...Christians should stop dis my religion is d only one dat if u don't accept Jesus u miss heaven,why not let God b d judge!it's annoying already

politricks:
You are already telling the truth albeit little by little. Like i said, the crusaders did not only kill muslims but also thousands of jews. Tell me, are jews also evil? Below pic should joggle your memory too.

As I said earlier, the crusaders did over step their boundaries but the primary reason the crusader army was formed was to defend europe against evil islamic invaders that had been attacking European countries for over three hundred years. Their primary mission was to defend europe which they succeeded in doing, any mishap that happened in the process was 'collateral damage'. and I remain eternally grateful to the crusaders for keeping those agents of satan out of Europe else the world as we know it today would never have emerged as western civilization would have been halted by those islamic babarians.

proudkafir:
I made this statement, as shown below, but you choosed to ignore it. Read them again:

'True islam is the sunnah of the islamic prophet which the northern muslims try to emulate. The sunnah of the prophet means that you can marry a baby as a wife (quran 65:4), you must hate the christians and the jews (quran 5;51), you can sleep with a 9-yr old girl (even if the man is 55 like mohammed did to aisha), you can fight the unbelievers (quran 8:39), you can beat your wife (quran 4:34), etc. Since most yoruba muslims find these acts of your prophet despicable, the northern muslims consider them infidels'.

Since the yorubas are more decent than mohammed, by not following the sunnah, how do you think the muslims in the north will take you as a true muslim? Its not possible.

Please can you mention any single mosque in the north where a yorubaman leads prayer? I will like to pay that mosque a visit because it is shocking to me.

On the issue of some christians not attending another congregation aside from theirs, you are right to an extent. Some do while others dont. I worship with assemblies of God church but I do attend redeem programs regularly, it is an individual thing and there is no any church that will ask any of its member not to attend another church. The good news is that you can never hear that a redeem member who planted a bomb in depeerlife church.

However among the muslims, almost on a daily basis, the sunnis blow up the shia mosque and machine-gun shia worshipper for being fake muslims. Around the world, the sunnis oppress and shia and the ahmadiyyas, killing them and jailing their leaders. Saudi arabia recently beheaded the shia leader in their country on false charges of terrorism while Iran bombed saudi embassy for that. The saudis do not allow the ahmadiyyas and the alawites to perform hajj. Any ahmadiyya that must perform hajj will first deny that he\she is not ahmadiyya before he\can be granted an entry visa.

Have you seen how peaceful and tolerant islam is?

True islam is by following the five pillars of islam, the north does not have the right to determine who is a good muslim and who is not hell islam did not originate from the north. You say most yoruba muslims find the action of the prophet despicable and yet they still remain in islam. Why remain in a religion that it's leader has done despicable things? Why not go to the 'holy christianity'? And i can't show you mosque to go because you can't go to maiduguri but you can come to southwest and see thousands of notherners praying behind a yoruba man or have you ever seen a mosque with the inscription 'hausa/nothern mosque'?

proudkafir:
Well this shows how ignorant you are if you cannot decipher the meccan verse from the medina verses. Mohammed's religious tolerance ended in mecca where\when he was being persecuted by the meccan pagan because mohammed abused tham and destroyed their gods. He had to preach peace in mecca in order to save himself. You can read the tasfir of ibn ishaq to have a better understanding of this fact. A christian need not lecture you on islam.

There is no where in the bible that God said he will make christians walk on water because Jesus did. However, God promised to pour out his Spirit among men so that they can see visions and dream dreams. That is why a pastor can pray for you and prophesy into your life with a vision he might see concerning you,

See mohammed died, 1400 years ago, has allahh given any muslim revelation?

Stop saying what you don't know, just type 'where was quran 2:256 revealed' on google and thank me later.

Same way jesus never promised to make any christian walk on water is the same way God never said he will reveal any verse to any muslim after muhammed's death or you can bring any verse if i am lying?. All there is to reveal has already been revealed what God only promised us is the signs of end time which we have begun seeing.

proudkafir:
Europe is a blessed countinent today because of the sacrifice the crusaders made in the defense of europe against the arab-muslim invaders and jihadist. Had europe failed, they would been as poor and disorganized like most muslim countries of today. Aside from few oil-rich arab countries, all the non-oil arabs countries are suffering, fighting and running to europe and america for survival. Islam, allahh and mohammed had failed them big time.

Even saudi would have been in turmoil if their is no US military presence and supports that protect the very immoral and corrupt saudi royal families.

Read bro, read.

Lol so the U.S military is now the 'peace army'.

1. Same U.S that trained osama.

2. Same U.S that invaded iraq in search of an imaginary nuclear weapon while them they have tons of them, they turned iraq upside down and you expect them not to fight back.

3. Same U.S that turned libya upside down, the rest is history.

4. Same U.S that are accused of funding Al-qaeda.

On the contrary, the U.S you are hailing are actually the ones destroying everything but you guys will prefer to call it peacekeeping. Read bro read.

Oyin93:

why not go study ur bible very well...face Ur religion, we all av right to believe in whatever religion we like now...Christians should stop dis my religion is d only one dat if u don't accept Jesus u miss heaven,why not let God b d judge!it's annoying already

Direct your advise to mohammed who refused to face his religion but was constantly attacking the Jews and the christians. Mohammed called muslims the best of mankind (quran 3:110) while he called the Jews and the christians the worst of creatures (quran 98:6).

You mohammed is not an ok person for abusing, threatning, killing and insultin people who disagree with him. My sister all these are in your quran and your hadith.

Laughing in Chinese

politricks:
True islam is by following the five pillars of islam, the north does not have the right to determine who is a good muslim and who is not hell islam did not originate from the north. You say most yoruba muslims find the action of the prophet despicable and yet they still remain in islam. Why remain in a religion that it's leader has done despicable things? Why not go to the 'holy christianity'? And i can't show you mosque to go because you can't go to maiduguri but you can come to southwest and see thousands of notherners praying behind a yoruba man or have you ever seen a mosque with the inscription 'hausa/nothern mosque'?

So true islam is no more the sunnah of the prophet but the five pillars of islam? Ok let me ask you, which do you prefer, the sunnah of mohammed or the five pillars?

Remember, mohammed married aisha when she was 6 and had sex with her when she became 9 (while mohammed was 54), so as a true muslim you can\must also marry a six year old girl or even younger than 6 (see quran 65:4).

Mohammed married zainab, saheed's wife, and said allahh asked him to do that. Saheed was his adopted son. So as a true muslim, you can also marry a woman that belongs to another man in accordance with the sunnah.

Mohammed asked muslims not to take the christains and the Jews and friend (quran 51:5), so you must follow the sunnah by severing friendship with christians.

Mohammed asked you to fight christians and Jews for not accepting allahh and his messenger, and as true muslim you must obey mohammed (quran 9:29).

Stop telling me you wont follow the sunnah but the 5 pillars of islam which hides the evil natures of islam.

Understanding is God. Thank God for giving you Understanding. And it shall be permanent IJN AMEN.

politricks:
Lol so the U.S military is now the 'peace army'.

1. Same U.S that trained osama.

2. Same U.S that invaded iraq in search of an imaginary nuclear weapon while them they have tons of them, they turned iraq upside down and you expect them not to fight back.

3. Same U.S that turned libya upside down, the rest is history.

4. Same U.S that are accused of funding Al-qaeda.

On the contrary, the U.S you are hailing are actually the ones destroying everything but you guys will prefer to call it peacekeeping. Read bro read.

I am not a fan of the US military presence in the arab world. Left for me, the US will withdraw all her military assets from the arab world. Donald Trump had promised to withdraw US military presence in the middle east but no one is talking about it but people are shoutin when he said he will restrict muslim migration to the US (the popular opinion of most US citizens). Well that is aside for now.

The saudi royal family will be overthrown as soon as the US leaves their base in saudi, everyone knows that. The saudi govt are spending billions to ensure that the US remain in their country for security reason. The kuwaitis, qararis and the uae are doing the same. All their leaders ensure that their power base is safe with the US security presence.

The history of the arabs had been war, war and war, with or without the world powers. The shia\sunni crisis had been going on even before the US was born and will stop stop even if the US and russia withdraw from the middle east.

The bible described the arab-muslims as 'wild men' whose hands will be against everyman and everyman against him. This prophecy was made thousands of years before mohammed was born. So the arabs can never live in peace no matter what, dont blame the US, blames the muslims.

orisa37:
Understanding is God. Thank God for giving you Understanding. And it shall be permanent IJN AMEN.

thanks man,

proudkafir:
If you alleged that the crusaders kill the Jews also I will say they did not do that in obedience to christ. Jesus never asked the christians to fight and kill the Jews hence the crusaders was doing that wrongly.

On the other hand, allahh and mohammed asked muslims to fight and kill the jews. See prooves below:

The following can be of help to you, they are mohammed's instructions:

Qur’an 5:51—O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

Quran 9:29-Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Qur’an 9:30—And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away.

Qur’an 98:6—Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein. They (the christians and the Jews) are the worst of creatures.

Sahih Muslim 4366—Muhammad said: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Al-Bukhari, Al-Adab al-Mufrad 1103 —Muhammad said: “Do not give the People of the Book the greeting first. Force them to the narrowest part of the road.”

Sahih Muslim Book 019, Number 4366: “It has been narrated by ‘Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: “I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.”

Ibn Ishaq, Life of Muhammad (Karachi) p.553: …the Apostle of Allah said, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.”

Bukhari Vol.4 Bk.52 No.176 Narrated ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar: Allah’s Apostle said,“You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)!There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.”

Quran-5.60 “…[the Jews] whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and who served the Shaitan…”

Quran-5:72 “Surely, they have disbelieved who say: “Allah is the Messiah … and the Fire will be his abode and for the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers) there are no helpers.” [Not only does this verse say Christians burn in hell, it also equates them to “polytheists”, thus negating their “special status” as “people of the book”.]

Quran-9.29 “Fight against those who … acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and know themselves subdued.”

The hadith and quranic verses above are what inspired the muslim arabs, the saudis, the pakistanis and other allahh-inspired muslims to go on the offensive against the christians and the Jews.

And as I said earlier, CNN, BBC, FOX, MSNBS and other media network will always defend islamic atrocities worldwide. They will say that muslim carrying out terror in obedience to allahh and mohammed are RADICALIZED while the muslim terrorist will allahh and mohammed to justify their terror against the infidels.

Mohammed in his own word said and I quote: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR

I will give you that hadith numbers if you want, on the above quote. How can you, a sane man, follow a terrorist who founded islam? Are you ok at all, or simply ignorance or were born in islam?

The problem with you guys is that you always accuse other
religion of somtin you are also ten times
guilty of probably because you
don't even knw about your
religion very well or tend to
ignore facts outta sentiment. Who told you the bible never encouraged christians to fight and kill?

Let's begin.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 33-36
[b]33 And the LORD our God
delivered him before us;and we smote him, and his sons,
and all his people. 34And we took all his cities at that
time, and utterly destroyed
the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36
From Aroer, which is by the brink
of the river of Arnon, and from
the city that is by the river,
even unto Gilead, there was not
one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto
us"[/b]So Moses and his army killed
women and children. Moses broke
the 6th commmandment, thou
shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see,
when its in war it okay? Yet
when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in
war its different, Christians say
nooooo. Either way, The Quran
does not say kill women and
children, I CHALLENGE ANY
CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your
Bible, one of your greatest
prophets killing women and
children by God's permission,
meaning Jesus allowed it! So
hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and
so was Moses so according to
the Christians own argument,
Moses cannot be a prophet since
he killed. Note Moses and his
army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not
one city which was strong
enough in the plural sense,
hence up to 6 or 7 cities were
destroyed with its women and
children? What is the Christian response?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3 3-7
Deuteronomy
Chapter 7 2-6

I could go on and on.

Annunaki:


As I said earlier, the crusaders did over step their boundaries but the primary reason the crusader army was formed was to defend europe against evil islamic invaders that had been attacking European countries for over three hundred years. Their primary mission was to defend europe which they succeeded in doing, any mishap that happened in the process was 'collateral damage'. and I remain eternally grateful to the crusaders for keeping those agents of satan out of Europe else the world as we know it today would never have emerged as western civilization would have been halted by those islamic babarians.

You are silly calling the thousands of jews you guys killed as 'collateral damage'. Just like how you guys used to tell us, 'can't God fight his own war' at least there would not be 'collateral damage'.

Let me tell you ignorant man, islam has achieved civilization long before it's european counterpart in fact, western civilization was gotten mostly from islamic civilization. What you be be asking is why contemporary islam seems to have backslide a little from civilization.
A speech from president obama.
President Obama, for
instance, in his June 4, 2009 speech in Cairo , praised Muslims for their
historical scientific and
intellectual contributions to
civilization: It was Islam that carried
the light of learning
through so many centuries,
paving the way for
Europe’s Renaissance and
Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim
communities that developed
the order of algebra; our
magnetic compass and tools
of navigation; our mastery
of pens and printing; our understanding of how
disease spreads and how it
can be healed.

politricks:
The problem with you guys is that you always accuse other
religion of somtin you are also ten times
guilty of probably because you
don't even knw about your
religion very well or tend to
ignore facts outta sentiment. Who told you the bible never encouraged christians to fight and kill?
By
Let's begin.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 33-36
[b]33 And the LORD our God
delivered him before us;and we smote him, and his sons,
and all his people. 34And we took all his cities at that
time, and utterly destroyed
the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36
From Aroer, which is by the brink
of the river of Arnon, and from
the city that is by the river,
even unto Gilead, there was not
one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto
us"[/b]So Moses and his army killed
women and children. Moses broke
the 6th commmandment, thou
shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see,
when its in war it okay? Yet
when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in
war its different, Christians say
nooooo. Either way, The Quran
does not say kill women and
children, I CHALLENGE ANY
CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your
Bible, one of your greatest
prophets killing women and
children by God's permission,
meaning Jesus allowed it! So
hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and
so was Moses so according to
the Christians own argument,
Moses cannot be a prophet since
he killed. Note Moses and his
army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not
one city which was strong
enough in the plural sense,
hence up to 6 or 7 cities were
destroyed with its women and
children? What is the Christian response?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3 3-7
Deuteronomy
Chapter 7 2-6

I could go on and on.

That was in the old testament. QUOTE that kind of law from the new testament. The old testament is there to teach us lessons of disobedience, trust etc.

proudkafir:
So true islam is no more the sunnah of the prophet but the five pillars of islam? Ok let me ask you, which do you prefer, the sunnah of mohammed or the five pillars?

Remember, mohammed married aisha when she was 6 and had sex with her when she became 9 (while mohammed was 54), so as a true muslim you can\must also marry a six year old girl or even younger than 6 (see quran 65:4).

Mohammed married zainab, saheed's wife, and said allahh asked him to do that. Saheed was his adopted son. So as a true muslim, you can also marry a woman that belongs to another man in accordance with the sunnah.

Mohammed asked muslims not to take the christains and the Jews and friend (quran 51:5), so you must follow the sunnah by severing friendship with christians.

Mohammed asked you to fight christians and Jews for not accepting allahh and his messenger, and as true muslim you must obey mohammed (quran 9:29).

Stop telling me you wont follow the sunnah but the 5 pillars of islam which hides the evil natures of islam.

Now i know you are ignorant of islam if not, you would have known that the sunnah is contained in the five pillars of islam.

The first pillar is to bear witness that there is no God but Allah and Muhammed is his prophet. How can you accept Muhammed as God's prophet and not follow his teachings so yes i follow sunnah. As to the issue of marrying early, the quran never have a specific limit for marriage because cultures differ and the culture during the medieval age was that of people marrying early so it was considered a norm then. Even 'holy mary' the mother your god was not left out as can be seen from the link below.
http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/mary-a-teenage-bride-and-mother

Bili16:


That was in the old testament. QUOTE that kind of law from the new testament. The old testament is there to teach us lessons of disobedience, trust etc.

You have entered my trap! damn you guys are so predictable same old excuse.The same old testament your pastors use in collecting offering from you or is offering a lesson of disobedience? Anyway, how about luke 12.49-53 and matthew 10.34-36

DeathStroke007:
Laughing in Chinese

What is so funny that you are laughing?

politricks:
You are silly calling the thousands of jews you guys killed as 'collateral damage'. Just like how you guys used to tell us, 'can't God fight his own war' at least there would not be 'collateral damage'.

Whilst I am yet to verify your story about the crusaders 'massacaring kills outside the context of war, we all know the religion that instructs it's adherents to kill jews and they are still killing jews till this very day.

Let me tell you ignorant man, islam has achieved civilization long before it's european counterpart in fact, western civilization was gotten mostly from islamic civilization. What you be be asking is why contemporary islam seems to have backslide a little from civilization.
A speech from president obama.
President Obama, for
instance, in his June 4, 2009 speech in Cairo , praised Muslims for their
historical scientific and
intellectual contributions to
civilization: It was Islam that carried
the light of learning
through so many centuries,
paving the way for
Europe’s Renaissance and
Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim
communities that developed
the order of algebra; our
magnetic compass and tools
of navigation; our mastery
of pens and printing; our understanding of how
disease spreads and how it
can be healed.

The magnetic compass as a tool for navigation was invented by the Chinese likewise writing. It's also a historical fact that printing was started by a German christian so stop giving islam undue credit. Islam has contributed absolutely nothing to modern civilisation, rather it hold backs it adherents to the barbaric seventh culture it was founded in.

politricks:
The fact that islam still remains strong despite the different stories surrounding it shows that those ugly things are not part of islam and muslims know that.

Lol... Al Taquiya alert!

politricks:
The problem with you guys is that you always accuse other
religion of somtin you are also ten times
guilty of probably because you
don't even knw about your
religion very well or tend to
ignore facts outta sentiment. Who told you the bible never encouraged christians to fight and kill?

Let's begin.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2 33-36
[b]33 And the LORD our God
delivered him before us;and we smote him, and his sons,
and all his people. 34And we took all his cities at that
time, and utterly destroyed
the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36
From Aroer, which is by the brink
of the river of Arnon, and from
the city that is by the river,
even unto Gilead, there was not
one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto
us"[/b]So Moses and his army killed
women and children. Moses broke
the 6th commmandment, thou
shall not kill ANYONE. Or I see,
when its in war it okay? Yet
when Muslims say the 6th commandment is followed, but in
war its different, Christians say
nooooo. Either way, The Quran
does not say kill women and
children, I CHALLENGE ANY
CHRISTIAN TO BRING THE VERSE RIGHT NOW. We see it in your
Bible, one of your greatest
prophets killing women and
children by God's permission,
meaning Jesus allowed it! So
hence Jesus was responsible for killing women and children, and
so was Moses so according to
the Christians own argument,
Moses cannot be a prophet since
he killed. Note Moses and his
army did this to many cities, verse 37 says there was not
one city which was strong
enough in the plural sense,
hence up to 6 or 7 cities were
destroyed with its women and
children? What is the Christian response?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 3 3-7
Deuteronomy
Chapter 7 2-6

I could go on and on.

I know that is where you are going. If muslims are accused that mohammed is evil and violent you go to the bible and bring out violence verses in order to neutralize the evil and violence of mohammed. That moral relativeness is the most foolish islamic defense of their prophet.

The wars recorded in the bible are stories and events that happened at a time in the Jewish history, the war were not to convert people to worship yahweh. It is a war between nations, just as the israeli fought the arabs in the 1967 and 1973 wars. Most of the wars recorded by the Jews in the bible is all about territory and lands, just as the Jews are still fighting the arabs today on the ownership of gaza, Jerusalem, west bank, etc.

The wars you talked about were not an instruction to kill and convert, it is not an open-ended instruction that is permanenttly sanctioned against the non-Jewish. Mohammed, on the other hand, fought and instigated religoius war (quran 9:5, quran 9:29-30, quran 8:39, quran 5:51, etc).

And again, the Jewish fought those wars long before christianity and islam were born. So your standard islamic moral relativism used in justifying the evils of islam and mohammed is foolish and ridiculous. Now tell me, which religion is still waging war against apostates and non-believers till date? Which religion did the founder boasted: I HAVE BEEN MADE VICTORIOUS THROUGH TERROR?

Annunaki:
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Read my post again this time with glasses and tell me where you see invention or don't you there is a difference between innovation and invention?. Now, as to the history of writing, this is an excerpt from a reliable source.

"Mesopotamia(present day iraq) was one of the four riverine civilizations where writing was invented, along with the Nile valley in Egypt, the Indus Valley Civilization in the Indian subcontinent, and the Yellow River in China."

But you picked only china because it suits you best.

same goes for printing.

" The history of printing goes back to the duplication of images by
means of stamps in very early
times. The use of round seals for
rolling an impression into clay
tablets goes back to early
Mesopotamian civilization before 3000 BCE, where they are the
most common works of art to
survive, and feature complex
and beautiful images. In both
China and Egypt, the use of small
stamps for seals preceded the use of larger blocks." You say islam has not contributed to civilization and yet you deceitfully ignored where algebra was mentioned in my last post. Tell me you have never used algebra before in fact, tell of anyone that has never used algebra before. Algorithm that paved way for the computer and phones we use today was developed by Al-khwarizmi-An arabic mathematician.(notice the similarities in name). That is why he is sometimes referred to as 'the grandfather of computer'. In fact, any innovation you see that starts with 'Al' was developed by islam. Read my son read.

politricks:
You are silly calling the thousands of jews you guys killed as 'collateral damage'. Just like how you guys used to tell us, 'can't God fight his own war' at least there would not be 'collateral damage'.

Let me tell you ignorant man, islam has achieved civilization long before it's european counterpart in fact, western civilization was gotten mostly from islamic civilization. What you be be asking is why contemporary islam seems to have backslide a little from civilization.
A speech from president obama.
President Obama, for
instance, in his June 4, 2009 speech in Cairo , praised Muslims for their
historical scientific and
intellectual contributions to
civilization: It was Islam that carried
the light of learning
through so many centuries,
paving the way for
Europe’s Renaissance and
Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim
communities that developed
the order of algebra; our
magnetic compass and tools
of navigation; our mastery
of pens and printing; our understanding of how
disease spreads and how it
can be healed.

Muslims are never short of lies. Lying is an ego-booster in islam. Muslim can conjure anything to promote islam and their religion which had stagnated human growth for over 1300 years.

It is only a fooll that will quote a lying obama. 50% of americans knew that obama lies a lot and their greatest regret is voting him as president.

Who told you writing pen was started by islam? What were the egyptian copts, the persians, the roman empire and the greek using for writing (long before islam and mohammed)?

Who told you magnetic compass started with islam? What were the roman empire using to navigate the sea? What were the chinese using in their sea trades long before islam?

On the understanding of disease, you muslims are pathetic. Your prophet recommended the use of camel urine for the treatment of ailments. When have you used camel urine for your treatment before? You guys can lie.

On the modern era, the least educated world together is the arab-muslim world (just a bit sub-sahara africa). In the area of science, technology, innovation and research, muslim nations score zero. No muslim nation is scientifically advanced, none. So stop massaging your non-existence ego that you guys are always brainwashed to believe in your mosques and madrassas. Muslims are laughings stocks worldwide and are all suspects in non-muslim lands.

You guys are running to non-muslim lands for food, housing and clothing. allahh, mohammed and islam had failed muslims big time.

politricks:
You are silly calling the thousands of jews you guys killed as 'collateral damage'. Just like how you guys used to tell us, 'can't God fight his own war' at least there would not be 'collateral damage'.

Let me tell you ignorant man, islam has achieved civilization long before it's european counterpart in fact, western civilization was gotten mostly from islamic civilization. What you be be asking is why contemporary islam seems to have backslide a little from civilization.
A speech from president obama.
President Obama, for
instance, in his June 4, 2009 speech in Cairo , praised Muslims for their
historical scientific and
intellectual contributions to
civilization: It was Islam that carried
the light of learning
through so many centuries,
paving the way for
Europe’s Renaissance and
Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim
communities that developed
the order of algebra; our
magnetic compass and tools
of navigation; our mastery
of pens and printing; our understanding of how
disease spreads and how it
can be healed.

Muslims are never short of lies. Lying is an ego-booster in islam. Muslim can conjure anything to promote islam and their religion which had stagnated human growth for over 1300 years.

It is only a fooll that will quote a lying obama. 50% of americans knew that obama lies a lot and their greatest regret is voting him as president.

Who told you writing pen was started by islam? What were the egyptian copts, the persians, the roman empire and the greek using for writing (long before islam and mohammed)?

Who told you magnetic compass started with islam? What were the roman empire using to navigate the sea? What were the chinese using in their sea trades long before islam?

On the understanding of disease, you muslims are pathetic. Your prophet recommended the use of camel urine for the treatment of ailments. When have you used camel urine for your treatment before? You guys can lie.

On the modern era, the least educated world together is the arab-muslim world (just a bit sub-sahara africa). In the area of science, technology, innovation and research, muslim nations score zero. No muslim nation is scientifically advanced, none. So stop massaging your non-existence ego that you guys are always brainwashed to believe in your mosques and madrassas. Muslims are laughings stocks worldwide and are all suspects in non-muslim lands.

You guys are running to non-muslim lands for food, housing and clothing. allahh, mohammed and islam had failed muslims big time.

@proudkafir

Is our lies responsible for the decline in christianity worldwide? Because you seem to have shamelessly ignored my other post with links providing evidence of your rapid decline.

politricks:
Read my post again this time with glasses and tell me where you see invention or don't you there is a difference between innovation and invention?. Now, as to the history of writing, this is an excerpt from a reliable source.

"Mesopotamia(present day iraq) was one of the four riverine civilizations where writing was invented, along with the Nile valley in Egypt, the Indus Valley Civilization in the Indian subcontinent, and the Yellow River in China."

But you picked only china because it suits you best.

same goes for printing.

" The history of printing goes back to the duplication of images by
means of stamps in very early
times. The use of round seals for
rolling an impression into clay
tablets goes back to early
Mesopotamian civilization before 3000 BCE, where they are the
most common works of art to
survive, and feature complex
and beautiful images. In both
China and Egypt, the use of small
stamps for seals preceded the use of larger blocks." You say islam has not contributed to civilization and yet you deceitfully ignored where algebra was mentioned in my last post. Tell me you have never used algebra before in fact, tell of anyone that has never used algebra before. Algorithm that paved way for the computer and phones we use today was developed by Al-khwarizmi-An arabic mathematician.(notice the similarities in name). That is why he is sometimes referred to as 'the grandfather of computer'. In fact, any innovation you see that starts with 'Al' was developed by islam. Read my son read.

So you problem is algebra, well I give you algebra as an arabian innovation (not a muslim innovation). Muslims are the only people on earth that tie acnievements to religion and not race.

If I am to use islamic logic, I can say that the gun-powder was invented by the Bhudist (and not the chineses), that modern writing was developed by the zororastans (and not the persians), that cars were invented by the christians (and not the eueopeans), that aero-nautic systems was developed by the christians (and not the americans), that modern computer was designed and built by the christians (and not the americans), etc.

So islamic argument is always foolish and difficult to comprehend. You dont associate scientific achievement to a religion but a race.

In the modern era, the muslims are useless to modern science and development.