cckris:

The writer NO LONGER believes anything about Jesus.
The writer's Waterloo is in PRESUMING, as all anti-Christs have been PRESUMING, right from the COUNCIL OF NICAEA, that Christians generally don't understand the manifestation of Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. Until ATHANASIUS begins his IRREFUTABLE EXEGESIS. And there're MILLIONS of Athanasiuses around the world today, in different languages and cultures. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

cckris:

The writer NO LONGER believes anything about Jesus.
The writer's Waterloo is in PRESUMING, as all anti-Christs have been PRESUMING, right from the COUNCIL OF NICAEA, that Christians generally don't understand the manifestation of Christ, from Genesis to Revelation. Until ATHANASIUS begins his IRREFUTABLE EXEGESIS. And there're MILLIONS of Athanasiuses around the world today, in different languages and cultures. JESUS CHRIST IS LORD.

rexben:
I believe Jesus came from God. He was sent to the world to let His kingdom reign. John 8:31-32. I believe only in the words of Jesus(Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only because He only is the Truth. I rather stay with the Truth than follow any other man.

rexben:
I believe in the both,i mean i believe in divinity and sonship of Jesus

Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

Empiree:
Then your criticism of Christians is pretty much irrelevant. How about Christians who don't believe in Divinity of Jesus?. Are they any less Christians or "Disciples of Jesus" as you called yourself?. You have to understand that they too have evidence that Jesus did not ascribe Divinity to himself just as you also claim Christians practice what Jesus didn't say. Don't you see you are confused?

cckris:


THE TRUTH is that, as the Christ, or, in Hebrew, THE ANOINTED, the Entirety of the Spirit of God was in Jesus, & to them that believe in Him Scripturally, MEASURES of the Spirit of God is also given, such that the believers in Jesus are also anointed, or, in Greek, christed. The term Christian has deep Scriptural, as well as Spiritual significance, so manifest that observers, who hitherto called the disciples followers of THE WAY, finally settled to identify them as Christians.

rexben:
Jesus said if you continue in MY WORDS,not the laws and the prophets,not the epistle,not the book of revelation,not the poetical books etc ,then you are My Disciple. You can only get the words of Jesus in the gospels [MATTHEW,MARK,LUKE AND JOHN] ONLY AND NOT THE ONE RECORDED IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION. Jesus never said the Holy Spirit will be given in measures,Paul said so. Jesus said I will send the Holy Spirit and He will be with you always,He will never leave you.
Jesus never called His disciples Christians, and He said that the voice of a STRANGER,they will not follow. So you don't expect His disciples to follow the voice of strangers tagging them with the name CHRISTIANS.

rexben:
Are you saying DIVINITY-Jesus equal to God.

If that is what you mean,then i don't believe in DIVINITY. Jesus never said He was God, He clearly said what i see the Father do,i do. The Father sent Him. He also said He is the son of God and not God

rexben:
Part of your beliefs that are wrong includes
The bible is the inspired word of God. This is very wrong. Jesus is the only word of Gog. In this supposed bible,God spoke,the devil spoke,men spoke,even demon spoke. Ho w then you call it the word of God
you believe that Jesus came to die for the sign of the whole world. It is very wrong. He said He came to give His life as ransome to many not sacrifice for many. He said if you dont forgive those that sin against you,your heavenly father will not forgive,that is the way to get your sins forgiven

Empiree:
Ask you fellow Christians. That's what they belief. By the way, what's definition of Divinity?


Well, trinitarian Christians will disagree with you.

cckris:

I'm a TRINITARIAN Christian.
1. Genesis 1:1-3 is Trinitarian.
2. Matthew 28:19 is Trinitarian
3. You find these from Genesis to Revelation.

Empiree:
rexben, do you agree with him?

Empiree:
Ask you fellow Christians. That's what they belief. By the way, what's definition of Divinity?


Well, trinitarian Christians will disagree with you.

cckris:

1. You alone CONFIRM yourself to BE a follower of Jesus.
2. Did anyone BAPTISE you?
3. Can you baptise another person?

rexben:
I am not a CHRISTIAN,i don't believe in religion and i don't preach at all. All i preach is Jesus. I love to witness about Him because i am His follower. I am a disciple of Jesus, i believe in Jesus' words as recorded in Matthew,Mark,Luke and John only.

Empiree:
You are obviously deceiving yourself. Don't you think?.

Look at the highlighted part, some christians believe in that as well?. As far s I'm concerned you have been unable to establish distinction btw "disciple of Jesus" (as called yourself) and being christian. Not preaching is not the evidence of being "disciple". There are christians who don't peach too. What you doing in the thread is actually preaching by the way . You just don't realize it.

rexben:
Jesus never said He was not of the any trinity. He never called Himself God the son. He only said He is the son of God. I don't believe in trinity because Jesus never taught that.

rexben:
pls check out my new post. SOME BELIEFS OF DISCIPLES OF JESUS AS TAUGHT BY JESUS,THE TEACHER. Pls read with a clear mind.

rexben:
Jesus never said He was not of the any trinity. He never called Himself God the son. He only said He is the son of God. I don't believe in trinity because Jesus never taught that.

Empiree:
Got you. This is what I'm trying to establish. You think I don't know christians and Christianity? . 99.99% believe in Sonship of Jesus. They are Unitarian christians. From among this percentage are those who believe Jesus is God. They area called trinitarians.

So if you believe in Mathew, Mark, Luke and John exactly as written, then you aren't different from Unitarian christians. Most christians are trinitarians. You both committing grave sins.

orisa37:
But become a Covenant Christ established.

Empiree:
okay cool. What's Jesus teaching about Sonship, what does it mean?

rexben:
He said many things. He said He is the son of God, He and His father are one.

What He sees His Father do,He do. And what He hears His Father says,He says. He can do nothing of His own accord. Pls what do you want know about sonship,if you want to know better,you have to go to the gospels,Matthew,Mark,Luke and John

rexben:
Sorry,you are getting it all wrong. I don't have business with Unitarian christians. The fact i believe and they also believe does not make us the same. I am a disciple of Jesus. I am not a Christian. I hate and detest religion,i always preach against it. All i preach is Jesus,the one religion has tried to hide from man kind. Sorry,if i may ask,which sins am i committing?

rexben:
To those that think i am talking from view of a muslim, sorry to disappoint you I AM NOT A MUSLIM. To those that think i am talking from the view of an aggrieved christian,sorry also to disappoint you I AM NEITHER A CHRISTIAN.
I AM TALKING FROM THE VIEW OF JESUS BECAUSE I AM HIS DISCIPLE AND I WILL FOLLOW HIM TILL I'LL BE UNITED WILL HIM AND OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN

johnw74:


@bold doesn't make sense, you say you are not a Christian, that you are a disciple of Jesus and you follow Him.
Christian means follower of Jesus Christ


Christian:

G5546

Χριστιανός
Christianos
khris-tee-an-os'
From G5547; a Christian, that is, follower of Christ: - Christian.
Total KJV occurrences: 3



Because some who call themselves Christians are not, and because some Pastors WHO call themselves christians are not, doesn't mean Disciples of Jesus Christ are not called Christians:

Act_26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

1Pe_4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Act_11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.



A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ.
As for me, I'm very happy to be named after Him: "A Christian".







Jesus said to Ananais in a vision concerning Paul:

Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Barnabas said to the Disciples and Apostles concerning Paul:

Act 9:26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
Act 9:27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Act 9:28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.

Empiree:
What is sonship?. That's the sin you commit.

rexben:
I now get you. I think you are a muslim.

Jesus called Himself the son of God,

even God confirmed it twice.

At the baptism, He said this is my beloved son,in whom i am well pleased. Also at the transfiguration,He said this is my beloved son,hear ye him.