goldfish80:

Gero is a nothing player. I watched him when he was in the NPFL prior to the U20 world cup and scratched my head how this guy could be a professional footballer.
He is one of the worst players I've seen play for Nigeria at any level.

TheGoodJoe:


Seriously, you need to learn how to argue coherently. I am telling you that the Solanke noise is hype. After all the preseason noise of how special Solanke is, he is back to the bench.

There is no way Origi was in Liverpool today that he would have not contributed more. Liverpool has more faith in Chamberlain bailing them out before Solanke when we consider the forward role.

The hype mill should allow the young man work hard than fill his head with fake opinions. Origi is a better player. Unless you have not watched Origi. I have watched Solanke play for Liverpool this season and he does not add as much bite as Origi.

Saying Solanke came from bench and had some good performances in the preseason does not make him a better player than Origi.

Bringing back the article that I agreed with in the same place highlights the incoherence in your debates.

TheGoodJoe:


Incoherent again.

Danny Ings is enough to know that is a joke quote. Even during the preseason, it was clear Origi was ahead of Solanke in pecking order.

Joebie:
FINLAND: Veikkausliiga - Round 32

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INTER TURKU 0-3 HJK (HALF-TIME)

Relatively unknown Nigerian center-back pair, Friday Obilor and Vincent Onovo are helping HJK run riots away to Turku.
The Helsinki side are already up by 3 goals at half time, with Obilor providing one of the goals.

elyte89:




I feel dey shld be giving a chance in d squad going to d world cup

goldfish80:


You're just running around quoting random facts which hardly add up.
First you said Traore is older than Solanke and they never played in the same category, then you make a reverse to claim Solanke achieved more in the age group he played with Traore. Come on! You have to be consistent.

Like it or not, believe it or not. Solanke doesn't hold a candle light to Traore. Solanke is an exaggerated youth team player while his mate at the Chelsea academy is a full Pro.

komekn:


Unfortunately Wolfsburg is a mere shadow of it former self. Narrowly missed relegation last season and they are from being a top team anymore.

Things have changed and changed for the worse for Wolfsburg. They are already this early in the season staring relegation in the face.

My assessment of Wolfsburg is that they would struggle against Wigan Athletic who are now in the English league 1.

goldfish80:


Osimhen and Solanke are not so much dissimilar. You make it sound like there is a gulf in class between those 2.

Solanke is Liverpool's 3rd choice striker while Osimhen is Wolfsburg's 3rd choice. They both have zero goals to their names this seaon, must be said Solanke have more minutes..

You seem to forget that Arsenal wanted Osimhen. Infact, he snapped a picture with Arsene Wenger in London during his visit to the Emirates for contract negotiations. Some rogue agents hijacked the deal and took him to Germany while Arsenal made due with Nwakali.
Why you will say Osimhen can't make any youth team in England is baffling to say the least.

I hate to say this, but the gospel truth is that the last U20 world cup was watered down in quality. Can you compare the standard witnessed in Korea to Nigeria 99,Holland 2005,2007 or even 2009 which Ghana won. Teams like Argentina weren't even in Korea.
If the level of competition was as high as what we were used to, Solanke wouldn't have come close to become Mvp neither would England have won the cup.

Yes Solanke did very well for Chelsea's youth team but you don't know how good Osimhen was for his youth team in Nigeria. He could have scored 100 goals in state competitions in Benin.

Again, I say their records are very much identical.

komekn:


Unfortunately Wolfsburg is a mere shadow of it former self. Narrowly missed relegation last season and they are from being a top team anymore.

Things have changed and changed for the worse for Wolfsburg. They are already this early in the season staring relegation in the face.

My assessment of Wolfsburg is that they would struggle against Wigan Athletic who are now in the English league 1.

forgiveness:


Trying to discredit another man's labour. Quite it, please.

The competition didn't not just fall from heaven. There was what we call the qualifying rounds and stages. If you any team fall short of going through, I am sorry, they are not qualified to compete at that tournament.


Oga! England played and won Argentina, Mexico, Costa Rica, Italy and Venezuela to win the cup.

Those are countries known for soccer, however many bigger countries fell by the way side.

The stars in that competition were Dominic Solanke, Ademola Lookman, Tega Onomah, Sheyi Ojo and Ovie Ejaria. Live with it.

forgiveness:


Vitesse arnhem is in the same league with Wolfsburg fc based on their exploit in their various leagues and in Europe. Sorry.

They are currently both in the Europa League.

tbaba1234:


Hmmm.. Strange because Wolfsburg beat Fulham, a championship side 3: 0 in pre season. The game was played in England.

Chrismario:



I no wan enter this argument but the way you talks sometimes makes one to ponder.

Like seriously? If to go with your funny anology, Apoel = Barcelona ( they both are in UCL)

elyte89:




I feel dey shld be giving a chance in d squad going to d world cup

forgiveness:




That article cleared your lies that Origi was ahead of Solanke in preseason. GBAM!

All you have just said are inconsequential.

forgiveness:


Vitesse arnhem is in the same league with Wolfsburg fc based on their exploit in their various leagues and in Europe. Sorry.

They are currently both in the Europa League.





Now, answer questions and leave out stories.

Do you still believe in what you said in your first paragraph?

I mean, Do you believe that Solanke getting games with Liverpool makes him a more rated player than Origi, Osimhen and Iheanacho? yeah! my head. *Takes cover*

Abi, Klopp and Liverpool players are not top coaches and players?

Compare Liverpool with Wolfsburg fc and Leicester-city-fc. Na.

Joebie:
In TheGoodJoe 's voice

Joebie:
I agree that u20 is a big step ahead of U17. Solanke has a more impressive youth record compared to Osimhen. However, at the moment,
they are both at par, as neither have been able to get on the scoresheet at their respective sides. The club and league your play is irrelevant. When they start performing, we can start making that comparing as regards the quality of the opposition, league etc.

TheGoodJoe:


Na wa. Is that not the fake lie I pointed? You have gone full circle to the fake lie. That point is not true because Solanke was not piling any pressure on Origi. Origi brings more to the team than Solanke. He was ahead of the pecking order.

Liverpool did not ask Origi to go. He went on his own seeking playing time. You can dine in your self delusion on this issue but you are not deceiving people who can see between the fake lie.

forgiveness:


Dominic Solanke takes pre-season opportunity as Divock Origi strugglesstruggles


HENRY JACKSON
6 AUG 2017

The differing performances of Dominic Solanke and Divock Origi in pre-season have been noticeable, with the new signing taking the opportunity to impress while the Belgian floundered.

We are all too painfully aware that the Reds are in need of strengthening at centre-back, with more shoddy defending on Saturday allowing Athletic Bilbao’s Inaki Williams to equalise.

Some would also like to see reinforcements at full-back and in centre midfield, but in attack, it is hard to complain about the depth at Jurgen Klopp’s disposal.

With Roberto Firmino the undisputed first-choice striker going into the new season, plenty of debate has arisen about who his main back-up should be.

Given that Daniel Sturridge carrying a small injury, and Danny Ings is a long way from being match fit, Solanke and Origi are competing to be Klopps back-up forward.

Judging by their respective impacts summer, there is only one winner.

The signing of 19-year-old Solanke wasn’t met with too much excitement this summer, with plenty of reports suggesting the Chelsea youngster was arriving to be part of the under-23s squad initially.

Some stellar performances at the U20 World Cup with England certainly turned heads, however, and he was named the tournament’s best player after the Three Lions’ triumph.

For Liverpool, Solanke then hit the ground running immediately, not looking remotely daunted by joining a club of such stature, and looking far more mature and ready to flourish than even Klopp may have expected – the manager having admitted he knew little of Solanke and trusted his scouts.

Three goals in pre-season have caught the eye, with his first Reds strike a corker against Crystal Palace, and his two headers, which Hertha Berlin and Bilbao were on the receiving end of, weren’t too shabby, either.


It is Solanke’s all-around game that has really impressed, though, with an ability to hold the ball up thanks to his towering frame, as well as possessing a deft touch, good pace and a level of in-game intelligence beyond his years.

If the former Chelsea youngster is only being spoken of in glowing terms right now, things couldn’t be much different with Origi.

The Belgian suffered a poor 2016/17 season, and while 11 goals for the campaign should not be sniffed at, especially when he often featured from the substitutes’ bench, it masked some very lacking displays.

When key attacking players were either injured or unavailable, most noticeably Philippe Coutinho and Sadio Mane, he failed to be a successful deputy.


It would be incredibly harsh to blame Origi for Liverpool’s alarming capitulation around the turn of the year, but he certainly didn’t help, and the Reds’ forward play dipped hugely with him on the pitch.

This summer provided the 22-year-old with a great chance to prove his worth and show that last season was a blip, but he has disappointed once more.

One solitary goal, a bundled effort in the 2-0 win over Palace, was a rare moment of happiness, but it has otherwise been an ineffective month.

He saved arguably his poorest performance for the end of pre-season on Saturday, and it was only made worse by another influential Solanke display in the second-half.


Two glorious chances were missed during his 45 minutes on the pitch, once when clean-through and the other a header that should have been buried, and he again looked the weak-link in Liverpool’s attacking unit.

His failure to link-up with those around him was a continuous issue, and one of many misplaced passes played a key part in Bilbao’s equaliser.

The chasm in quality between Solanke and Origi has been alarming, especially when you consider the latter is more experienced, and it is a no-brainer as to who should feature more in 2017/18.


We are all guilty of making strong opinions about a footballer early in his Liverpool career – Bjorn Tore Kvarme played like Alan Hansen at first – and it is fair to we’ve been no different with Solanke.

He has undoubtedly looked more polished than a lot predicted, and the confidence and maturity with which he carries himself can only bode well.

We have only seen him in pre-season, however, and when the new Premier League season gets underway, we will see what he is really made of. Heaping too much pressure on him would be needless.

It wasn’t long ago that Origi was scoring home and away against Borussia Dortmund and being pencilled in as a future Anfield star, which goes to show that things can change very quickly.

The Belgium international’s failure to kick on has probably been the key to him falling down the pecking order, rather than Solanke’s excellence, and his Liverpool career is at a crucial stage now.

At 22, he cannot keep being afforded the excuse of having time on his side, and his general decision-making is showing little sign of improving.

It would be wrong to expect enormous things of Solanke from the off, once competitive matches start, but he has to seen as a better option that Origi as things stand.

It is difficult to think of one attribute Origi has that stands out more than his fellow striker – if he doesn’t find an extra gear soon, the gap between the pair will only grow wider.

https://www.thisisanfield.com/2017/08/dominic-solanke-takes-pre-season-opportunity-divock-origi-struggles/amp/

This is to address your first paragraph.

Dominic Solanke outshined in preseason hence the need to ship out Origi out on to free space for Solanke.

TheGoodJoe:


I do not find this funny. Not at all. I have made my points clear. Do not quote me out of context.

komekn:


This is not say I am completely vindicated I'm my earlier assertion just that quite w few people in the know share my view.

So we can safely say Origi was displaced by Solanke to say it was my singular view is not true. I'll leave but at that, because sometimes I am expressing not just my opinion.

Humility017:

not only them should be given a chance...
we can as well...take 45 players to Russia...that way we can accomodate forgiveness list,goodjoe mass camping, and everyone else list...


what do you think?

it's like we think world cup is a tea party.....

TheGoodJoe:


You are saying because of tolerance in some areas, it is inconsequential as a whole. Seriously, does that add up? Solanke has a push because he is English. Simple as that. If Osimhen was English born and did what he did, he would have a far more thrust in the English game. Same goes for Kelechi Nwakali.

The so called inconsequential birth place is clearly not true.

komekn:


Let me put it another way, out of sight is out of mind mostly.

When the coaches are seeing you day in day out in close and personal you stand a far greater chance of being pushed into the first team. In addition in the U18 and U23 you will be playing the same formation and football strategy of the first team. It them becomes easier for you to a proper fit for the first team, because bthatbis what you are being prepared for.

In this regard I can not see Nwakali ever playing for Arsenal. There are too many boys who are considered better than him.

That's a VERY BIG IF , that has millions of pote variables. If Osimhen was born in England he may have decided to play, basketball or rugby. So I don't think that kind of ball gazing doesn't hold any water.