^ # Empiree, since you have quoted hadith to prove validity of rinsing ears in wudhu, should I also quote hadith in more reliable Sunni books (Bukhari and Muslim) which never mentioned rinsing of ears in Nabi's wudhu?

# It seems you did not pay attention to my wording brother. Shi'a consider rinsing of ears as bid'a on the basis of the Quran. Obligatory parts of ablutions are clearly describe in the Quran and all of them must follow successively (tar'tib) based on the atf (conjunction "waw - and" ) that connect them - face and hands, heads and feet. Nothing should separate them. Observe the sunnah parts of wudhu, they all come before the fard. If ears are part of the head as you (with your hadith) argue, is nose not part of the face? Or why sniffing nose first and washing face later?

# That aside, I highlighted four different variables of Sunni's style of wiping heads. Can you substantiate with your Sahih hadith the validity of each one of them or the only right one?

# If you succeeded in the last point above, then you will need to provide the linguistic meaning and function of letter "Ba" connecting "wam'sahu BI ruhusikum - wipe A PART of your heads" as stated in the Quran. The reason why I have to state this is that if ears are considered part of the head (according to your no-graded and no reference hadith), then those with the practice of wiping the whole of heads backwards and forwards might be right out of the four variables though they too need to explain to us the function of letter "Ba".

Thanks for your time

It is a thing of suprise when you see a shia quoting from sahih bukhari, sahih muslim amongst odas?! Distorting meaning of verses frm quran to suit their whims and fancies, waiyadhubillaah!! U dis despicable orientalist(muntashrikoon)...may allaah expose the shia to shame, ameen.

Hmmn...May Allah remove us from the darkness of ignorance

RABIUSHILE04:
It is a thing of suprise when you see a shia quoting from sahih bukhari, sahih muslim amongst odas?! Distorting meaning of verses frm quran to suit their whims and fancies, waiyadhubillaah!! U dis despicable orientalist(muntashrikoon)...may allaah expose the shia to shame, ameen.

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RABIUSHILE04:
It is a thing of suprise when you see a shia quoting from sahih bukhari, sahih muslim amongst odas?! Distorting meaning of verses frm quran to suit their whims and fancies, waiyadhubillaah!! U dis despicable orientalist(muntashrikoon)...may allaah expose the shia to shame, ameen.

Post like this makes me wonder if there is a hope for peace in the future of Islam.. the way we attack ourselves on the basis of Shia and sunni is scary.. the 21st century muslims needs a great deal of re orientation, the need to re direct their energy to refuting and castigating terror groups IS, al shabab and others giving Islam a bad name... instilling morals.. preaching peace.. not attacking ourselves with insults.. this is destroying Islam globally.. with Islamic rebels groups springing up everytime to defends claims of wipe/wash as such is flimsy.. next thing..killing eachother.. Am not saying it isn't important... but All this argument.. To what end.. !!..

iduzebaba:

Am not saying it isn't important... but All this argument.. To what end.. !!..

# First, its important is so great that failure to do according to what Allah and His Prophet command result to invalidity of salat. So it is an issue we must peruse.

# Second, Islam never forbid argumentative discussion. It only set rules and regulations to guide it. See Quran chapter 16: 125.

# Third, it is normal in every civil debate, some elements of abnormalities might surface. Try to focus on the actual discussion and never let the stupidity of others sway you.

* Open any thread of any topic, no matter how mild or hot it is, some ignorant people will surely try to mar it. In that case, silence is sometimes the best answer for fools.

iduzebaba:

Post like this makes me wonder if there is a hope for peace in the future of Islam.. the way we attack ourselves on the basis of Shia and sunni is scary.. the 21st century muslims needs a great deal of re orientation, the need to re direct their energy to refuting and castigating terror groups IS, al shabab and others giving Islam a bad name... instilling morals.. preaching peace.. not attacking ourselves with insults.. this is destroying Islam globally.. with Islamic rebels groups springing up everytime to defends claims of wipe/wash as such is flimsy.. next thing..killing eachother.. Am not saying it isn't important... but All this argument.. To what end.. !!..

What is ur point now, that you can type!? Abi u expect oil and water to mix?!