MrPresident1:
@KingEbukasBlog

The premise of this thread is completely flawed.

How can you say God is not subject to His own laws? That is just not right because God is completely subject to His own laws.
Why do you think Jesus had to die, do you understand why Jesus had to come and die? The death of Jesus Christ had to do with compliance with the terms of the law.

If God cannot conform to His own laws, how then can we conclude that He is a God of judgment and justice? The justice and compliance of God to His own laws is so manifestly expressed in the great sacrifice that He personally underwent for Israel (and by extension- the world) in order to redeem her from the curse of the law. The way of God is judgment and justice and if God will not conform to His own laws He cannot expect us to conform to it.

Genesis 18:19
For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Bro , you do realise that if you think God is subject to his own laws then He committed genocide for virtually obliterating mankind with the flood. I wonder why this is difficult , its not . Simple illustrations with our daily activities explain the OP .

The Judge and the law offender , the executioner and the criminal sentenced to death , self-defense , etc

Thoniameek:
The Executioner is not a murderer, and Confiscation is not theft....................... God is all knowing and perfect, so, we should take it as he knows what he's doing, even when sometimes we're yet to understand it.

Thank you ! If God is subject to his laws then He should end up in Hell , the Judge who sentenced a criminal to death committed a crime . The executioner should be arrested for murder . Who will judge the Supreme Judge ? Is there anyone in this universe holier or greater than Him ? He has the ultimate authority - precluding infinite regress .

Scholar8200:
Very nice, we'll understand better when we realise that these laws are for things created. Just as we dont follow the operational manual of our inventions!

Thank you ! God has every right over his own creation or works . He gave us life in the first place , he can choose to take it or do with it however it pleases him .

To understand God's laws we need to see Him as King. Not a president who is answerable to the people who elected him. He is not a chief with a counsel of elders advising Him. He is a Great King who owes nobody his authority.

The law of the land is His word. Disobedience is not even thinkable, let alone debatable. That is how kingdoms work. Our democracy is a culture of rebellion decorated with politically correct words that have even Christians fooled.

We think about spiritual laws with minds that have been baptized into the ideals of democracy and "civil liberties" which I believe are a joke. God is old fashioned. His wish is His law and His command is executed at its appointed time, by all means. And yes, even His own word is subject to His authority

KingEbukasBlog:



Bro , you do realise that if you think God is subject to his own laws then He committed genocide for virtually obliterating mankind with the flood. I wonder why this is difficult , its not . Simple illustrations with our daily activities explain the OP .

The Judge and the law offender , the executioner and the criminal sentenced to death , self-defense , etc

The flood story was not literal, what is the meaning of this?

How large was the ark to accommodate all the animals in the world

This is preposterous!

KingEbukasBlog:


Thank you ! God has every right over his own creation or works . He gave us life in the first place , he can choose to take it or do with it however it pleases him .

Scholar8200 and KingEbukasBlog, please explain to me why Jesus Christ (God) had to come and die.

You guys are just unbelievable!

This is preposterous!

Logicbwoy:


Do you know what we call people who make laws for others but different laws for themselves?


HYPOCRITES

If you are a parent and you make house rules for your children, are you also subject to it?

KingEbukasBlog:


This post is not intellectually tasking but you are failing woefully . From the example given above . If a particular speed limit has been exceeded by a car thief , is the policeman a hypocrite for over speeding to apprehend the car thief .

Please stay way let the people I mentioned address the post

That is a good analogy.

Scholar8200:
Very nice, we'll understand better when we realise that these laws are for things created. Just as we dont follow the operational manual of our inventions!

Why did Jesus have to come and die? Why did he subject himself to the law

Who is Jesus Christ, isn't he God anymore

OLAADEGBU:


If you are a parent and you make house rules for your children, are you also subject to it?

How do you teach your children fairness, judgment and justice when you are not an example to them? THIS IS HYPOCRISY and your children will see through your duplicity! You will raise monsters!

Jesus, what is the meaning of this

MrPresident1:


Why did Jesus have to come and die? Why did he subject himself to the law

Who is Jesus Christ, isn't he God anymore

That could only take place when He put on mortality and became in the likeness of man.

Scholar8200:
That could only take place when He put on mortality and became in the likeness of man.

When he was mortal man, he was fully God and fully man, no?

Muafrika2:
To understand God's laws we need to see Him as King. Not a president who is answerable to the people who elected him. He is not a chief with a counsel of elders advising Him. He is a Great King who owes nobody his authority.

The law of the land is His word. Disobedience is not even thinkable, let alone debatable. That is how kingdoms work. Our democracy is a culture of rebellion decorated with politically correct words that have even Christians fooled.

We think about spiritual laws with minds that have been baptized into the ideals of democracy and "civil liberties" which I believe are a joke. God is old fashioned. His wish is His law and His command is executed at its appointed time, by all means. And yes, even His own word is subject to His authority

I agree with the first paragraph of your post, but what do you imply by the bolded?

MrPresident1:


Scholar8200 and KingEbukasBlog, please explain to me why Jesus Christ (God) had to come and die.

You guys are just unbelievable!

This is preposterous!

Oh because:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinth 15:21

And we needed a Man who was not under the bondage occasioned by the former but after the order of the former being God's original archetype!

MrPresident1:


Why did Jesus have to come and die? Why did he subject himself to the law

Who is Jesus Christ, isn't he God anymore

Jesus, became man, and subjected himself to the law, to save us men from the judgement of the law.

MrPresident1:


When he was mortal man, he was fully God and fully man, no?

Yes, He had the right and chose to subject Himself thus far just as He transcends same! Remember in the garden of arrest? He could have ended it there with 12 legions of Angel but He chose to go all the way to the cross for you!

MrPresident1:


The flood story was not literal, what is the meaning of this?

How large was the ark to accommodate all the animals in the world

This is preposterous!

Oh I forgot you are among the the-bible-is-an-allegory crew . But why did other ancient books also pen down a catastrophic event such as a universal flood like the bible did

I mean I understand that the Ark represents Jesus and the flood is God's judgement . In other to avoid God's judgement or wrath , you have to be on the Ark - Jesus . Jesus came to die for our sins and we can gain salvation - providing a means to escape God's judgement .

So what about other ancient books that contain a similar story , are those allegories too Plus some outcomes of scientific studies point to the Flood that took place 4,700 years ago . Fact !

MrPresident1:


The flood story was not literal, what is the meaning of this?

How large was the ark to accommodate all the animals in the world

This is preposterous!

Besides, you are being anachronistic here. The world had not dispersed and were huddled together in Noah's time. And how many species were there?I hope you realise that NO acquatic animal was in the Ark? The rest were in pairs and some in sevens.

Scholar8200:
Oh because:
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1 Corinth 15:21

And we needed a Man who was not under the bondage occasioned by the former but after the order of the former being God's original archetype!

God married Israel, Israel committed adultery, Israel was condemned, Israel must die according to the law. In order for Israel not to be eternally damned, God incarnated into Jesus Christ and rather than Israel to be cast off for ever, he had to die. He subjected Himself to the law He made.

The sinless God died so that His wife may live!

MrPresident1:


God married Israel, Israel committed adultery, Israel was condemned, Israel must die according to the law. In order for Israel not to be eternally damned, God incarnated into Jesus Christ and rather than Israel to be cast off for ever, he had to die. He subjected Himself to the law He made.

The sinless God died so that His wife may live!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Joshthefirst:
Jesus, became man, and subjected himself to the law, to save us men from the judgement of the law.

Subjected himself to the law?

Do you realize that the premise of this thread is that God is not subject to his own laws?

You do not see your contradiction

MrPresident1:


Subjected himself to the law?

Do you realize that the premise of this thread is that God is not subject to his own laws?

You do not see your contradiction

There is no contradiction there, Jesus didn't come as almighty God, he came as a man

Scholar8200:
Yes, He had the right and chose to subject Himself thus far just as He transcends same! Remember in the garden of arrest? He could have ended it there with 12 legions of Angel but He chose to go all the way to the cross for you!

He went to the cross to fulfill the law, to cancel the law of death hovering on his wife, Israel. God died for Israel to fulfill the law that condemned her to death. 12 legions of angels to what end? and the purpose of his incarnation is eternally defeated? If he called angels to come and save him, isn't the purpose of his incarnation defeated

He had a choice, but he subjected himself to the law, to die, that was his purpose!

He was subject to his own law!

MrPresident1:



He was subject to his own law!

By choice, because of LOVE!

MrPresident1:


You are just ignorant!

He went to the cross to fulfill the law, to cancel the law of death hovering on his wife, Israel. God died for Israel to fulfill the law that condemned her to death. 12 legions of angels to what end? and the purpose of his incarnation is eternally defeated? If he called angels to come and save him, isn't the purpose of his incarnation not defeated

He had a choice, but he subjected himself to the law, to die, that was his purpose!

He was subject to his own law!

He had to take upon himself, flesh, human flesh, to be subject to the law.

He became human, and became subject to the law, to redeem those that were under the law. Because of his love for them

This is not a contradiction. And God redeemed the whole world, and not just Israel, you buzugee fan.

Joshthefirst:
I agree with the first paragraph of your post, but what do you imply by the bolded?

Democracy was founded on the principle of rebellion. As a form of government, it really took root during the middle ages when the noble class deposed the rule of Kings all over Europe. They took their kings and Queens authority over people away and instead established what has grown to become our parliamentary representation. Then, then, it was just the nobility who represented themselves as such. They still do. It is rebellion to the extent that it was a concept birthed to challenge the authority of theirs kings.

Secondly, democracies work on the principle of contention, where the majority rules, and where opposition of ideas, animosity and division are legislated, funded and protected. So insulting the people in authority is lauded as having a mature democracy. But what does God think about that? The divisions of democracy are responsible for all of Africa's wars. That's why I say democracy is rebellion mischievously packaged as a "liberty".

KingEbukasBlog:


Oh I forgot you are among the the-bible-is-an-allegory crew . But why did other ancient books also pen down a catastrophic event such as a universal flood like the bible did

I mean I understand that the Ark represents Jesus and the flood is God's judgement . In other to avoid God's judgement or wrath , you have to be on the Ark - Jesus . Jesus came to die for our sins and we can gain salvation - providing a means to escape God's judgement .

So what about other ancient books that contain a similar story , are those allegories too Plus some outcomes of scientific studies point to the Flood that took place 4,700 years ago . Fact !

It was a flood of unrighteous doctrine that swept the world away, only the people in the ark which is the word of God, made up of Noah and his household and 'animals' which are just depictions of humans who hitherto were without the knowledge of God but heeded to Noah's gospel were saved.

Scientific studies pointed to a global flood in which only 8 people were saved and who then proceeded to reproduce and multiply into 7 billion people in less than 6,000 years? lol. That is foolish science, meant to be believed by ignoramuses

Science and common sense shows that it is not possible to have a global flood and an ark that can contain all the animals in the world at the same time. It was all allegories.

Scholar8200:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16

Salvation belongs to the Jews first, and also to the gentiles, they both make up the world.

Scholar8200:
By choice, because of LOVE!

He loved his wife and took over her condemnation. He died for her.

Joshthefirst:
There is no contradiction there, Jesus didn't come as almighty God, he came as a man

Ignorance

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joshthefirst:
He had to take upon himself, flesh, human flesh, to be subject to the law.

He became human, and became subject to the law, to redeem those that were under the law. Because of his love for them

This is not a contradiction. And God redeemed the whole world, and not just Israel, you buzugee fan.

So when he was flesh, he was fully God and He was fully man, NO?

I checked your signature, How can God be just when he is not subject to his own laws?

His wife contravened the law, she must die, but he died for her. This is justice and mercy at the same time.

Muafrika2:
To understand God's laws we need to see Him as King. Not a president who is answerable to the people who elected him. He is not a chief with a counsel of elders advising Him. He is a Great King who owes nobody his authority.

The law of the land is His word. Disobedience is not even thinkable, let alone debatable. That is how kingdoms work. Our democracy is a culture of rebellion decorated with politically correct words that have even Christians fooled.

We think about spiritual laws with minds that have been baptized into the ideals of democracy and "civil liberties" which I believe are a joke. God is old fashioned. His wish is His law and His command is executed at its appointed time, by all means. And yes, even His own word is subject to His authority

I do understand you perfectly, and you make very good sense.

But why did Jesus have to come and die? It was to save Israel. God transcends everything but He had to take on the nature of man so as to come and pay for the sin of His wife, otherwise she would be cast off for ever, forever joined to the wrong man. But now that he has died for her, she is redeemed from death, he will come back to marry her in his eagerly expected incarnation, the marriage supper of the lamb.