promise101:
Okay

What is grace? (In a simple explanation)

It is charis meaning means favor, blessing or kindness (In a simple explanation)
Illustration - full of favor, full of blessings, full of kindness etc

QuentinDay:
It is charis meaning means favor, blessing or kindness (In a simple explanation)

So you are trying to say that Jesus is not a favour from God to us? Jesus is not a blessing from God to us? And that Jesus is not God's kindness to us?


Then, please, who is Jesus?

promise101:
So you are trying to say that Jesus is not a favour from God to us? Jesus is not a blessing from God to us? And that Jesus is not God's kindness to us?

Am with you on all these but when you stray off all these sincere sensibilities, then you are on your own, because you will agree that a favour from God, a blessing from God is not the person of God Himself but qualities of God

These favor, blessing, kindness are distinctive attributes or characteristics possessed by God

promise101:
Then, please, who is Jesus?

Jesus is God, God is Jesus
Jesus is God housed in a human body. Jesus is, God, come as man
Jesus is the actualisation of Genesis 3:15, God's plans for redemption of His world

QuentinDay:
Am with you on all these but when you stray off all these sincere sensibilities, then you are on your own, because you will agree that a favour from God, a blessing from God is not the person of God Himself but qualities of God

These favor, blessing, kindness are distinctive attributes or characteristics possessed by God

Jesus is God, God is Jesus
Jesus is God housed in a human body. Jesus is, God, come as man

My friend stop beating around the bush!

Two opposite things can't be coming out from one mouth!

Is Jesus the grace of God? Yes or no.

Everyone know that Jesus is God, my question is; who is Jesus? Grace or curse?

The opposite of grace is curse.

QuentinDay:
Am with you on all these but when you stray off all these sincere sensibilities, then you are on your own, because you will agree that a favour from God, a blessing from God is not the person of God Himself but qualities of God

These favor, blessing, kindness are distinctive attributes or characteristics possessed by God

Jesus is God, God is Jesus
Jesus is God housed in a human body. Jesus is, God, come as man
Jesus is the actualisation of Genesis 3:15, God's plans for redemption of His world

You said this; Jesus is God's plan for redemption. Can you quote it from the scripture, to prove that point?


Even at that, is God's plan for redemption(which you described as Jesus) a grace? Or curse?

promise101:
My friend stop beating around the bush!

Two opposite things can't be coming out from one mouth!

That is exactly what you are doing with this grace misconception running wild with it

promise101:
Is Jesus the grace of God? Yes or no

No, Jesus is not the grace of God
he however was full of grace, the grace coming from Him, Him being God

1 Corinthians 1:3
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

promise101:
Everyone know that Jesus is God, my question is; who is Jesus? Grace or curse?

At least we agree on that, Jesus was neither grace or curse, he however was full of grace. Different things as I earlier tried to point out to you in a previous post

promise101:
The opposite of grace is curse.

No, the opposite of grace is crude, unrefined, clumsy etc
whilst the opposite of blessing is curse

promise101:
You said this; Jesus is God's plan for redemption. Can you quote it from the scripture, to prove that point?

You look, you see, you read but you don't observe what I've typed.
I already gave you a proof of the first prophecy out of the many about this in the scripture, and was where I typed Gen 3:15 before typing Jesus is God's plan for redemption

promise101:
Even at that, is God's plan for redemption (which you described as Jesus) a grace? Or curse?

It is a blessing. Jesus was full of grace to be that blessing and not a curse

QuentinDay:
When I eat and become full of food, it doesnt mean I am now the food. The food and I are not the same thing.
I am the person, the food I am full of is not the person

Sorry but you are confused if you, like jiggaz, as egged on by Joseph Prince thinks - Grace is a person and that is Jesus Christ......
and I dont think you both are fully familiar with the whole gamut of Joseph Prince's grace doctrine, he calls the teaching, throwing a different slant on grace LOL

Romans 5:17
For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).(AMP)
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.(KJV)
Do you want to learn or you want to Argue...

grevotech:
Romans 5:17
For if because of one man's trespass (lapse, offense) death reigned through that one, much more surely will those who receive [God's] overflowing grace (unmerited favor) and the free gift of righteousness [putting them into right standing with Himself] reign as kings in life through the one Man Jesus Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).(AMP)
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.(KJV)

Romans 5:1-2
1Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
2Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

We at least both agree, grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
but you are at a point where you can't see the wood for the trees because you think Jesus Christ is grace
when grace (unmerited favor) is an attribute or characteristic of God

Strength, power, kindness, merciful etc are also attributes or characteristics of God
but are not God the Father or God the Son Jesus Christ

Grace is not a person but is a quality
This is what God the Son Jesus Christ was full of (full of grace)
God gives believers, those who have become the sons of God the grace too

grevotech:
Do you want to learn or you want to Argue...

Please don't be self conceited and trying to teach Grandma to suck eggs

I think you need the real and more grace

James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

QuentinDay:
Fret not, for God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
Talking of trash, let hear a quote of from Word of Faith preacher Joseph Prince
Joseph Prince: Having the same mother. We have the same heavenly Father and the same mother grace
Now isnt the latter part Joseph Prince's quote a Catholic doctrine?
. . . she is our Mother in the order of grace
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm
"Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity."
- Martin Luther King, Jr.
Knowing me doesnt matter, it is knowing the truth that sets one free, that is of paramount importance here

You are the most ST.UPID person i have come across!!!! So Grace is not Jesus Christ? Who brought Grace then? It is written in the Bible that Moses brought the Law but Grace & Truth came through Christ Jesus!!! Let me even ask you... are you born again at all? or are you an agent of darkness fighting Grace message like your master the devil? Please accept Christ into your life. you are still far behind...

Its like you don't know me in this section, i am very harsh with HYPOCRITICAL-JUDGEMENTAL PHARISEES like you masquerading as Christians. Look, this Grace message i am posting is not for people like you who feel that what Christ did on the cross is not enough, that you have to substitute it with your thrashy good works & self righteousness which is like a filthy rag before God. My target audience here is for Believers that want to hear the Grace message and also for Unbelievers cos its the power of God unto salvation!!! Grace is a person and it is Jesus Christ!!!!

For your own good, stay away from this thread since you are not a Grace person. I always turn baddoo on PHARISEES like you!!! And you won't like me for that . Have a nice day!!

promise101:

"I am not perfect but i rest on the perfection of Christ and His finished work on the cross"
I LOVE THIS!
When I read things like this, I am very much happy and encouraged unto death, to preach this gospel to the uppermost.
I see a fountain of grace over you! No doubt. As pastor prince calls it, a tsunami of grace.

Amen bro... thank you so much!!! What these Christians fighting grace don't understand is that the devil is sooo afraid of the Gospel of grace because when Christians realise who they are in Christ, the devil will be powerless in their lives and they will reign in this life. But no, the devil is sooo crafty, he came with religious spirit saying "Yes we know that we are not saved by works but Grace. But we have to keep doing good works to maintain that salvation else we lose it " . Can you imagine??!!! The devil is a master planner and why he did that was to rub Christians the Joy of Salvation that Christ purchased for us freely!!! Good works is good but it doesn't save. He has successfully put the church in bondage over many centuries but these last days, God said enough is enough!! The truth must be revealed and He started raising radical men of God who preached Grace ( the true Gospel ) boldly without fear!!! And dats why the devil is angry and he still used Christians to fight these men of God!! But the Grace Gospel is here to stay!!!!

The message of Grace + Works = Eternal Life preached here in Nigeria is nonsense cos it has nullified the finished work of Christ. Good works is good but it is not a criteria for making heaven. Salvation is a gift but they wont hear.

Just like an unbeliever does good works and still he is not righteous before God, is the same way a believer is righteous before God by faith without works.

We are the most privileged people in the whole of humanity when righteousness is imputed to the believer by faith!!! But yet so many Law Keeping Christians want to go back and live during the old testament!!! Can you imagine!!! Ignorance is a problem . loool.

jiggaz:
Amen bro... thank you so much!!! What these Christians fighting grace don't understand is that the devil is sooo afraid of the Gospel of grace because when Christians realise who they are in Christ, the devil will be powerless in their lives and they will reign in this life. But no, the devil is sooo crafty, he came with religious spirit saying "Yes we know that we are not saved by works but Grace. But we have to keep doing good works to maintain that salvation else we lose it " . Can you imagine??!!! The devil is a master planner and why he did that was to rub Christians the Joy of Salvation that Christ purchased for us freely!!! Good works is good but it doesn't save. He has successfully put the church in bondage over many centuries but these last days, God said enough is enough!! The truth must be revealed and He started raising radical men of God who preached Grace ( the true Gospel ) boldly without fear!!! And dats why the devil is angry and he still used Christians to fight these men of God!! But the Grace Gospel is here to stay!!!!

The message of Grace + Works = Eternal Life preached here in Nigeria is nonsense cos it has nullified the finished work of Christ. Good works is good but it is not a criteria for making heaven. Salvation is a gift but they wont hear.

Just like an unbeliever does good works and still he is not righteous before God, is the same way a believer is righteous before God by faith without works.

We are the most privileged people in the whole of humanity when righteousness is imputed to the believer by faith!!! But yet so many Law Keeping Christians want to go back and live during the old testament!!! Can you imagine!!! Ignorance is a problem . loool.

"But yet so many Law Keeping Christians WANT TO GO BACK and live during the old testament!!!"

The capitalised shows that while they are trying to live rightly by obeying and GOING BACK to the law, they end up being an ADULTERER or an ADULTERESS.

YOU CAN'T BE MARRIED TO JESUS(grace) AND BE MARRIED TO MOSES(law) AT THE SAME TIME!!!!! If not so, then, they are ADULTERERS or ADULTERESS.



READ THIS BIBLE VERSES BELOW:

Rom 7 "1 Or do you not know, brothers 1—for I am
speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?
2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.
3 Accordingly, if she will be called an ADULTERESS if
she lives with another man while her husband is
alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that
law, and if she marries another man she is not an
adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work k in our members l to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we are released from the law, having
died to that which held us captive, so that we
serve in the m new way of n the Spirit and not in
the old way of the written code."

promise101:

"But yet so many Law Keeping Christians WANT TO GO BACK and live during the old testament!!!"
The capitalised shows that while they are trying to live rightly by obeying and GOING BACK to the law, they end up being an ADULTERER or an ADULTERESS.
YOU CAN'T BE MARRIED TO JESUS(grace) AND BE MARRIED TO MOSES(law) AT THE SAME TIME!!!!! If not so, then, they are ADULTERERS or ADULTERESS.
READ THIS BIBLE VERSES BELOW:
Rom 7 "1 Or do you not know, brothers 1—for I am
speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives?
2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.
3 Accordingly, if she will be called an ADULTERESS if
she lives with another man while her husband is
alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that
law, and if she marries another man she is not an
adulteress.
4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God.
5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work k in our members l to bear fruit for death.
6 But now we are released from the law, having
died to that which held us captive, so that we
serve in the m new way of n the Spirit and not in
the old way of the written code."

1 Billion Likes!!! Excellent post!!! You just explained everything from the Scripture!!

Patiently waiting for any anti-grace preacher!
Come on!

promise101:
Patiently waiting for any anti-grace preacher!
Come on!

lool