There is no god!

It is guidance to help people live their lives.

Really? And what proof do u have that there's no God?

Well there's never been a sighting.

No matter what religion y'ar the followers try to incorporate natural occurences/disasters and
love to convince themselfs its a vision of god to help them think when they die thats not the end.

Like an insurance policy. I'd love to be able to believe in a god but i know i'd only be fooling myself.

Dude,

i take it u're atheist, right? Now let me break it down for ya. atheism is a negative of theism. If u say there's no proof of the existence of God, then what proof is there that there's no proof of the existence of God? If u base it on psychical appearance, then i might as well give u proof of fulfilled Biblical prophecies.

Will get back at ya with more.

deathadder,

Look at the sky, look at the mountains, do you think it was made by man?

Believe me guys, I'd love to believe, I just canna,

Apparantly t' mountains and lakes are all formed fromthe big bang

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

Ya know I've lost family and friends close to me throughout me life and
wish they in some nice place, just dont think they are,

Who knows, maybe I could be convinced otherwise.

There is no God, hmmm, yeah. Of late, I've been wondering too where eggs come from.Deathadder, sure will
appreciateyour letting me know where they come from pls. Really looking forward to your wise answer.

Where do eggs come from??!!!! What the hell sort of Q is dat?

If you really want me to answer i can,

They come from a chicken which originally evolved from single cell organisms such
as amoeba.

The process of laying a shelled egg was also an evolutionary process. You must understand its not as simple as what came first but a progressive development of both.

Hi deathhadder
Ur thread just reminded me of my secondary school days.At that time I was so interested in biology especially the field of genetics.This my interest inevitably led me to the evolutionary theory of Darwin,Larmacks theory of use and disuse,I even went as far as trying to read Plato's works.In my naive mind then these guys were very brilliant(they still are) and thier words were laws!How wrong was I.Darwin made a blunder in trying to explain how life came about,Lamarck did not do better either.As for Plato et al,thier teachings were mere speculations without any scientific truth,I am sorry to say this but I have always regarded classical philosophy as that! So men were trying to explain the theory of life and disprove the existence of God.They could not succeed.All of thier theories,tho misleading to a lot of people,could not adequately explain thier abundance diversity of life on earth.Darwin at the later stages of his life knew that there was something really wrong with his theory.If u follow the logic of his evolutionary theory,then all species will be tending to homogeneity ie all species will start to look alike at some point in time.Darwin realized that and spent all his later life trying to fix his theory to that effect.All the scientific community then believed in Darwinism so they joined in trying to see if they could extend his theory further to explain the abundance and diversification of life.With all thier scientific training and courses they just could not.
It was then I believe(this is my own opinion) that God seeing the kind of trouble that Mankiond was in decided to intervene.In comes Gregor Mendel.Mendel as u all know was an austrian monk.He did not finish college for financial reasons so he joined the monkhood as an alternative.Mendel was not a scientist,not by birth not by training.He was not even a mathematician.But right there in the Monastery(emphasis on Monastery) God gave him a little insight to the development of man.With that insight he performed to me what remains the most elegant and incisive experiment ever done on earth.He did not perform the experiment in the lab nor did he have scientific equipment.He just had peas and soil (from which man was created).His lab was just a small patch of garden in the Abbot.Using these,he formulated the two basic laws of development, Law of Independent Assortment and Law of Segregation.He proved these laws using mathematical symbols (he was the first person to combine mathematics and biology,altho he was not a scientist).When he finished these experiments,he packaged the results,his methodologies and his conclusion and sent them to Darwin to inform him that he had explained how diversification came about in life.Darwin of course had never heard of Mendel,Mendel was not in the scientific community.A letter from an obscure monk telling him that he had explained the evolutionary theory.Darwin thot that it would be one of those spiritual rantings and he never opened the letter.So he died not knowing that the obscure monk had solved the problem he devoted his whole life to.
The letter was finally opened and those two laws changed the whole spectrum of how scientists thot about the origin of life.Those two laws changed the whole experimental approach of the biological sciences.Those two laws gave birth to the field of GENETICS. Just two laws from an obscure monk! These two laws is still the driving force behind the molecular and biotechnological industries that we have.
Y am I saying all this when u start reading theories, try thinking about it urself.There is more to it in this world that meets the eye.I am a phd student in molecular biology and the more I study about Genetics the more I see the handwork of God.Obviously a lot of my proffessors do not agree with me.They still see Genetics (Biology) as a tool to disprove the existence of God.I see it as my tool to explain HIS existence!HE just showed us two laws and everything went crazy.I winder wat will happen when he shows us more of his laws of creation.
Anyway,if I have time again I will take up that ur Big Bang theory! After we have talked about it you can then draw ur conclusion.But I will leave with on take home:
Orderliness begets orderliness while Disorderliness begets Disorderliness

@Uche2nana
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Dude God exist i wish you read your bible regularly
you can go through this passages.

John 1:12
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

1 corinthinans 1:21
For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

1 thessalonians 4:14
We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.

1 Timothy 4:3
They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

1 Timothy 4:10
and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe

Hebrews 11:6
And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

you can read through them and tell me if God doesn't exist

U r interesting deathadder, interesting. So egg and chicken evolved 2gether- I bet u can also say when the egg stopped evolving and the chicken acquired it's structural composition and began 2 lay them.
I bet in the process of time, a hen appeared. Nice

U r interesting deathadder, interesting. So egg and chicken evolved 2gether- I bet u can also say when the egg stopped evolving and the chicken acquired it's structural composition and began 2 lay them.
I bet in the process of time, a hen appeared. Nice

U r interesting deathadder, interesting. So egg and chicken evolved 2gether- I bet u can also say when the egg stopped evolving and the chicken acquired it's structural composition and began 2 lay them.
I bet in the process of time, a hen appeared. Nice

U r interesting deathadder, interesting. So egg and chicken evolved 2gether- I bet u can also say when the egg stopped evolving and the chicken acquired it's structural composition and began 2 lay them.
I bet in the process of time, a hen appeared. Nice

Did u have to say that 3 times

Uche2nna:

Hi deathhadder
your thread just reminded me of my secondary school days.At that time I was so interested in biology especially the field of genetics.This my interest inevitably led me to the evolutionary theory of Darwin,Larmacks theory of use and disuse,I even went as far as trying to read Plato's works.In my naive mind then these guys were very brilliant(they still are) and their words were laws!

Agreed

How wrong was I.Darwin made a blunder in trying to explain how life came about,

Darwin may have given his offhand opinion on how life may have arisen, but I don't recall him explaining how life came about.

Lamarck did not do better either.

He did better than most before him though.

As for Plato et al,their teachings were mere speculations without any scientific truth, I am sorry to say this but I have always regarded classical philosophy as that!

So men were trying to explain the theory of life and disprove the existence of God.

No, men trying to explain based on observation and many other methods how life and everything may have come to be. That their works have "disproved" the existence of God(s), or made the existence of Gods unnecessary doesn't mean they set out to do just that.

They could not succeed.

Many have.

All of their theories,tho misleading to a lot of people,could not adequately explain their abundance diversity of life on earth. Darwin at the later stages of his life knew that there was something really wrong with his theory.

Ever heard of the theory of evolution? It explains adequately the diversity of life on Earth. Also, where or when did Darwin say something was really wrong with his theory?

If u follow the logic of his evolutionary theory,then all species will be tending to homogeneity ie all species will start to look alike at some point in time. Darwin realized that and spent all his later life trying to fix his theory to that effect.

Why?

{snipped history revisionism]

Real history of Mendel and whatever interaction he may have had with Darwin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel

Those two laws gave birth to the field of GENETICS. Just two laws from an obscure monk! These two laws is still the driving force behind the molecular and biotechnological industries that we have.

Y am I saying all this when u start reading theories, try thinking about it yourself.There is more to it in this world that meets the eye.

Indeed (you should also try not to misrepresent history too).

I am a phd student in molecular biology and the more I study about Genetics the more I see the handwork of God.Obviously a lot of my proffessors do not agree with me.They still see Genetics (Biology) as a tool to disprove the existence of God.I see it as my tool to explain HIS existence!HE just showed us two laws and everything went crazy.

Yes, the Christian God came down from heaven, showed Mendel how to do genetics, planted a false memory in Mendel and everyone that was involved with Mendel - he especially made them forget the period Mendel's work remained obscure. Anyway, you see  a God's hand in it, others don't. It's the way the world wrks.

I winder what will happen when he shows us more of his laws of creation.
Anyway,if I have time again I will take up that your Big Bang theory!

Go on then, I'm curious.

After we have talked about it you can then draw your conclusion.But I will leave with on take home:
Orderliness begets orderliness while Disorderliness begets Disorderliness

Huh?

deathadder:

Believe me guys, I'd love to believe, I just canna,

Apparantly t' mountains and lakes are all formed fromthe big bang

http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/academy/universe/b_bang.html

No.

Ya know I've lost family and friends close to me throughout me life and
wish they in some nice place, just don't think they are,

Who knows, maybe I could be convinced otherwise.

My condolences.

gbade. x:

Dude,

i take it u're atheist, right? Now let me break it down for ya. atheism is a negative of theism. If u say there's no proof of the existence of God, then what proof is there that there's no proof of the existence of God?

I'd say the lack of empirical eveidence for a being with so many characteristics is evidence enough.

If u base it on psychical appearance, then i might as well give u proof of fulfilled Biblical prophecies.

Will get back at ya with more.

A couple a time if you don't mind.

alexis:

deathadder,

Look at the sky, look at the mountains, do you think it was made by man?

No.

feelgood:

There is no God, hmmm, yeah. Of late, I've been wondering too where eggs come from.Deathadder, sure will
appreciateyour letting me know where they come from please. Really looking forward to your wise answer.

Amniotic egg.

Interesting reading so far,

However I'm even less convinced of the existence of
a god now than ever before. If somebody who 'claims' to be studying a PhD in molecular biology, who one would hope would have a degree of common sense and logical thinking comes up with

'and the more I study about Genetics the more I see the handwork of God'

I mean how does that prove anyting I ask you?

I look forward to Uche2nna coming up with his points on the big bang,
And the little stooges giving him backup when another
amount of unconvincing drivel is released with more conclusions being formed from no substance.

quotes from the bible, in my opinion, are not worth the paper they're written on. Its manipulative phrases like

'Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God'

which show the angle of the bible or any holy book!

Doesn't sound like a compassionate god to me, in fact rather judgemental and not a God I'd want to waste time with!

I someties tink, if somebody a believer they can't be convinced otherwise because they require the strength and guidance to live their life. Why on earth was it god that helped Mendel?? Such a laim piece of evidence! You could say that about any human that had success in their chosen specialism, its just daft and unsubstantiated. Why was in not the devil that helped him, seems just as likely to me

I need not prove the Existence of God to you.God can adequately do that for HIMSELF. You notice that I did not use biblical quotations.No need using something that u dont believe in.
Anyway my whole point about the Mendel story (like I said it is my own opinion) is to draw ur attention to the fact that the finding of the 2 laws by Mendel,which is the underlying mechanism scientist now use to explain the whole theory of Evolution was made not in a lab but in the Monastery,was made not by a scientist but by a Monk.And what strikes me as being more than a coincidence was the very fact that this startling discovery was made when the whole scientific community was stumped by the inadequacy of Darwinism.
@ KAD You were asking wat was wrong with Darwinism.Well, his theory was very fine until you take into consideration of the various kind of diversity that existed in species.His theory was based on the fact that when 2 organisms mate that they would produce an offspring that is an intermediate of the 2 parents.Well,u can begin to imagine the loopholes in this theory when u want to apply it to evolution.Darwin knew that and he died trying to fix that. Larmack had a theory of use and disuse.Good theory.If you do not use one of ur organs for a long time you lose the function of that organ.Ok! So if u used it too often then you will grow a bigger better one.You can begin to imagine how slippery this is.I will just give u one example: The human Appendix.
I said the more that I study Genetics the more I believe in the existence of God.I still stick to it.If you really go into the study of the genetics of organisms you will begin to find out that there is just no way that the intricate mechanism,the highly balanced and highly regulated pathways could just come out of something as random as evolution.My belief is that there is a creator who is Omniscience and HE alone could come up with such intricate design.
I mentioned that just 2 laws from the Monastery and the scientific community went gaga.When scientists found applications to these two laws they actually thought that they could explain everything with those two laws.Now they know better.There are plenty exceptions to those laws, Penetrance,Disjunction,sex linked Characters,Recombination and more recently Epigenetics.These exceptions that are not explained by Mendelian inheritance points us to the fact that there are others laws of the creator that we do not know yet.
We are just begining to understand a tip of the ice berg and it seems to us we know a lot.
THERE IS STILL A LOT OUT THERE THAT DEFIES HUMAN KNOWLEDGE and only HE that was there when the world was being formed hold the answers to these.

@mr DeathAdder,

You say that there is no God?

A lot of people have come and blabbed their mouth on NL making such claims, so you are not the first. Welcome to your family. If you do a google search "there is no God", you might find your other relatives there.

Let me say it like it is said in Nija:
[size=14pt]wheen people bellefull soteee, , they begin to yan nonsense[/size].

1) I would not pray that God should prove Himself to you because if He does, you wont be able to post anymore threads in NL. He proved Himself to Pharaoh. Egypt can still tell the story today. He proved Himself to Nebuchadnezzar, and the story is still fresh in Neb's mind.

Rather, pray that God will reveal himself to you.ok.

2) The yorubas have a proverb that saysinterpreted in English): that a child may have more clothes than his father, but he doesnt have as many rags.

Should you say that there is no God, Yes, I know you have a reason. You havent given your concrete proof yet. But remember that when a father asks his son the question: Where were you(son) when I(father) started primary school? that is a question out of fact. The child has no answer because he,, naturally has no answer. He therefore realizes his position.

There has been many theories. There has been many postulates. A lot has been proven and a lot remain unproven. Even I myself, im grinding on an idea that 1+1 is not equal to 2. Leaving that aside, I dont know if you have read the Bible before or heard of a man called JOB. If you have, good. In his travails and trials, God talked with him(JOB). Throughout the whole Bible, this conversation is, if not the most direct and heart-searching conversation God has ever had with a man.

- The Bible has no record that Job was able to answer any of the questions below.
- History(Church history/theology, georgraphical, nations, whateva) gives us no proof of anyone yet(scientist, genuis or even a mad man) able to answer any of the questions below, and on a personal basis.

Here, I throw the challenge to you and to whoever believes that there is no God.
Please find us answers to all these questions, kindly enumerate your answers just as God has enumerated His questions.

Of all the questions below: start with this:

Job 38: 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job had no answer for the following: Do you have an answer?

JOB 38
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

JOB 39
1Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?

2Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?

3They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones, they cast out their sorrows.

4Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn; they go forth, and return not unto them.

5Who hath sent out the wild ass free? or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?

6Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.

7He scorneth the multitude of the city, neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.

8The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searcheth after every green thing.

9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?

12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

13Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?

14Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,

15And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.

16She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not her's: her labour is in vain without fear;

17Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.

18What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.

19Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?

20Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.

21He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men.

22He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword.

23The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield.

24He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.

25He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.

26Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?

27Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?

28She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

29From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

30Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

JOB 40
1Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,

2Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

5Once have I spoken; but I will not answer: yea, twice; but I will proceed no further.

6Then answered the LORD unto Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

7Gird up thy loins now like a man: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

8Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?

9Hast thou an arm like God? or canst thou thunder with a voice like him?

10Deck thyself now with majesty and excellency; and array thyself with glory and beauty.

11Cast abroad the rage of thy wrath: and behold every one that is proud, and abase him.

12Look on every one that is proud, and bring him low; and tread down the wicked in their place.

13Hide them in the dust together; and bind their faces in secret.

14Then will I also confess unto thee that thine own right hand can save thee.

15Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.

16Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.

17He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.

18His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.

19He is the chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.

20Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.

21He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.

22The shady trees cover him with their shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.

23Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

24He taketh it with his eyes: his nose pierceth through snares.

JOB 41
1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?

2Canst thou put an hook into his nose? or bore his jaw through with a thorn?

3Will he make many supplications unto thee? will he speak soft words unto thee?

4Will he make a covenant with thee? wilt thou take him for a servant for ever?

5Wilt thou play with him as with a bird? or wilt thou bind him for thy maidens?

6Shall the companions make a banquet of him? shall they part him among the merchants?

7Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?

8Lay thine hand upon him, remember the battle, do no more.

9Behold, the hope of him is in vain: shall not one be cast down even at the sight of him?

10None is so fierce that dare stir him up: who then is able to stand before me?

11Who hath prevented me, that I should repay him? whatsoever is under the whole heaven is mine.

12I will not conceal his parts, nor his power, nor his comely proportion.

13Who can discover the face of his garment? or who can come to him with his double bridle?

14Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.

15His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.

16One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.

17They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.

18By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.

19Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.

20Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.

21His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.

22In his neck remaineth strength, and sorrow is turned into joy before him.

23The flakes of his flesh are joined together: they are firm in themselves; they cannot be moved.

24His heart is as firm as a stone; yea, as hard as a piece of the nether millstone.

25When he raiseth up himself, the mighty are afraid: by reason of breakings they purify themselves.

26The sword of him that layeth at him cannot hold: the spear, the dart, nor the habergeon.

27He esteemeth iron as straw, and brass as rotten wood.

28The arrow cannot make him flee: slingstones are turned with him into stubble.

29Darts are counted as stubble: he laugheth at the shaking of a spear.

30Sharp stones are under him: he spreadeth sharp pointed things upon the mire.

31He maketh the deep to boil like a pot: he maketh the sea like a pot of ointment.

32He maketh a path to shine after him; one would think the deep to be hoary.

33Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.

34He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

JOB 42: 1-6
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.

3Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.

5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.

6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

@DeathAdder,
rather than waste your life and damn your eternity, do like Job did:

Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Repent!!!

Uche2nna:

I need not prove the Existence of God to you.God can adequately do that for HIMSELF. You notice that I did not use biblical quotations.No need using something that u don't believe in.
Anyway my whole point about the Mendel story (like I said it is my own opinion) is to draw your attention to the fact that the finding of the 2 laws by Mendel,which is the underlying mechanism scientist now use to explain the whole theory of Evolution was made not in a lab but in the Monastery,was made not by a scientist but by a Monk.

Mendel was both a monk and a scientist. By the way, what does the location for his experiments have to do with anything?

And what strikes me as being more than a coincidence was the very fact that this startling discovery was made when the whole scientific community was stumped by the inadequacy of Darwinism.

Really? You wouldn't happen to have evidence for that would you?

@ KAD You were asking what was wrong with Darwinism.Well, his theory was very fine until you take into consideration of the various kind of diversity that existed in species.His theory was based on the fact that when 2 organisms mate that they would produce an offspring that is an intermediate of the 2 parents.Well,u can begin to imagine the loopholes in this theory when u want to apply it to evolution.Darwin knew that and he died trying to fix that.

Er, NO!

The theory evolution doesn't say that, and neither did Darwin (at least from my understanding of the word "intermediate". Basically, an offspring will share most of its parents characteristics, but it will (may) have several differences due to mutation. That's not evolution, that's reproduction. Evolution happens when the allele frequency of population is sufficiently different from its "parent".



[QUOTE] Larmack had a theory of use and disuse.Good theory.If you do not use one of your organs for a long time you lose the function of that organ.Ok! So if u used it too often then you will grow a bigger better one.You can begin to imagine how slippery this is.I will just give u one example: The human Appendix.[/quote]

Never heard of the Larmarck theory of use and disuse. Heard about Larmarckian evolution though. Falsified.

I said the more that I study Genetics the more I believe in the existence of God.I still stick to it.If you really go into the study of the genetics of organisms you will begin to find out that there is just no way that the intricate mechanism,the highly balanced and highly regulated pathways could just come out of something as random as evolution.

You either haven't studied evolution and how it relates to genetics, or you're a poor student. Your choice. That is not to say that you can't see the hand of a Creator or God when you study genetics, it's just to say that you have the wrong idea of evolution.

My belief is that there is a creator who is Omniscience and HE alone could come up with such intricate design.

I don't begrudge you the right to hold that belief.

I mentioned that just 2 laws from the Monastery and the scientific community went gaga.When scientists found applications to these two laws they actually thought that they could explain everything with those two laws.Now they know better.There are plenty exceptions to those laws, Penetrance,Disjunction,sex linked Characters,Recombination and more recently Epigenetics.These exceptions that are not explained by Mendelian inheritance points us to the fact that there are others laws of the creator that we do not know yet.
We are just begining to understand a tip of the ice berg and it seems to us we know a lot.
THERE IS STILL A LOT OUT THERE THAT DEFIES HUMAN KNOWLEDGE and only HE that was there when the world was being formed hold the answers to these.

That's swell.

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Nobody laid the "foundations of the Earth". In fact what the heck is the foundations of the Earth? The Earth isn't like some stationary building with a foundation (is that what you meant?).

Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

LoL, see above. SMH at corner stone - some supreme being you are, don't even know what the earth looks like.

   8Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

   9When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

   10And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

   11And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

How tides work

12Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

   13That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

   14It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

   15And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

Sun, moon, movement of the Earth.

16Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

No, I haven't  , but never fear, this guy has.

17Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

Nope. Not sure those exist, ecept if you meant them metaphorically.

   

18Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

I saw a scale of the Earth once, you'd be pleased to know it has a radius.

 

19Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

   20That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

Er, I don't know how to tell you this, Mr ranting "God" sir, but light doesn't have a dwelling place per se. Here's what causes light: http://www.btinternet.com/~k.trethewey/where_does_light_come_from.htm

   

21Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

No, I know it because of great men and women who didn't think "Goddidit" was a good enough answer.

   

22Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

   23Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

In the words of the sweet virgin Mary, "come again?"

   

24By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

See "where does light come from", then read up on stars like our dear  old Sun.

   

25Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

   26To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

   27To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

Nobody.

   

28Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

   29Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

No, of course not.

   

30The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

   31Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

No.

P.S. Don't you think you're taking the whole "Orion's belt" thing a little too seriously?

   

32Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Don't even know who or what they are. Lawl.

 

33Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Heaven? I think it's in the mind; so yes, I know the ordinances of heaven of my mind. Not too sure of the dominion thing, except if it's of the mind too.

   

34Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

I'll need a mega, mega megaphone, and a weather forecast, but it is possible (I think).

35Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

Lightning doesn't talk, lawlz.

36Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

You mean brain; teachers.

   

37Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

Nobody.

   

38When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

   39Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

   40When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

   41Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.

No, and no one.[quote][/quote]

JOB 39
1Knowest thou the time when the wild goats of the rock bring forth? or canst thou mark when the hinds do calve?

2Canst thou number the months that they fulfil? or knowest thou the time when they bring forth?

3They bow themselves, they bring forth their young ones, they cast out their sorrows.

4Their young ones are in good liking, they grow up with corn; they go forth, and return not unto them.

Mountain goats: Late November to early January.

Hinds: at two years of age, and then give birth each year. Hill deer often do not produce a calf until three years of age or older, and may give birth only every second year.

5Who hath sent out the wild ass free? or who hath loosed the bands of the wild ass?

6Whose house I have made the wilderness, and the barren land his dwellings.

7He scorneth the multitude of the city, neither regardeth he the crying of the driver.

8The range of the mountains is his pasture, and he searcheth after every green thing.

Er, no one. They are "free" because they were born that way.

9Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?

10Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?

11Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?

12Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?

I wish! That wayward, good for nothing, headstrong Unicorn is a pain in the arse. See more on Gary the asshole Unicorn, here: http://www.freehorsierides.com/article.asp?cat=8&no=260

13Gavest thou the goodly wings unto the peacocks? or wings and feathers unto the ostrich?

14Which leaveth her eggs in the earth, and warmeth them in dust,

No, they evolved those traits. Had nothing to do with me.

15And forgetteth that the foot may crush them, or that the wild beast may break them.

16She is hardened against her young ones, as though they were not her's: her labour is in vain without fear;

17Because God hath deprived her of wisdom, neither hath he imparted to her understanding.

18What time she lifteth up herself on high, she scorneth the horse and his rider.

Lawlz, that would cetainly explain why ostriches are hard on egg thiefs.

19Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?

20Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.

21He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men.

22He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword.

23The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield.

24He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet.

25He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.

Evolution 101.

26Doth the hawk fly by thy wisdom, and stretch her wings toward the south?

27Doth the eagle mount up at thy command, and make her nest on high?

28She dwelleth and abideth on the rock, upon the crag of the rock, and the strong place.

29From thence she seeketh the prey, and her eyes behold afar off.

30Her young ones also suck up blood: and where the slain are, there is she.

Yes for the first, and no for the second - although if I had an eagle, she would do just that.

1Moreover the LORD answered Job, and said,

2Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.

3Then Job answered the LORD, and said,

4Behold, I am vile; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth.

What a Arrow.

JOB 41
1Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? [all of that]

Now you're just making stuff up, and I just realised I've been responding to questions that an alledged God asked someone he had practically tortured (he allowed it, same difference) for sh*ts and giggles. The second sign of madness (the first would be attributing silly questions to a childish God)?

You are a  funny very person KAG.How can you accuse me of being a poor student and yet u have not heard of Larmacks theory of use and disuse That was the basis of  his interpretation of Evolution.And please there is no way u can isolate Genetics and Evolution.One is used to try and explain the other.
Mendel was a scientist.I wonder where you got that from.Yeah U can say he made a scientific discovery but he was not conventionally trained in the lab.Like I said he even dropped out of  school cos of financial constraints and his lab was just a patch of Garden (reminds me of the Garden of Eden where man was first created ).That was even the reason why for many years the scientific community never believed in that theory.Most,if not all followed,Darwin.Except for a few,like De Vries.However,De Vries could not convince a lot of people.So in came T. Morgan.It was 50 years later that Morgan actually proved that Mendel was right all along.It was then that the scientific community stopped calling Mendel that obscure monk,altho that moniker stuck even till this day.But even Morgan that proved mendel right did not start as an apostle of Mendel.He believed in the more polished and conventional scientist,Darwin.To him also,Mendel was just an obscure monk.So he actually set out to prove Darwinism correct and Mendelism wrong.But all that is history now as he  did the exact opposite!
Y r u talking about Mutation.Darwin never knew what mutation was,I just wish that you will go back and read Darwin's stuff ! You can explain inheritance now perfectly(both Dominant and Reccesiveness) because you have been taught Mendelian Inheritance.Darwin could not,and that was the major loophole in his theory.Like every shrewd scientist he knew that something was wrong with his theory.If only he had opened that obscure monk's letter,  A thoery is not just made for the sake of being made.A theory is formulated to explain certain phenomenon,and the major extrapolation of Darwin theory was that of Intermediacy of species.So it really beats me that u are not conversant with that fall out of Darwin's theory.I do not know if when u read stuff u just pick those that suits u and leave out those that does not  
        , NOTHING COMES OUT OF NOTHING, ALL CELLS COMES FROM PRE EXISTING CELLS,

@KAG

U missed it, even the first question:

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Nobody laid the "foundations of the Earth". In fact what the heck is the foundations of the Earth? The Earth isn't like some stationary building with a foundation (is that what you meant?).

The question is: WHERE WERE YOU?

All unbelievers of your taste wont and definitely dont have the same answers that you have given. Amongst yourselves Aethists and unbelievers, you dont agree. Trying to make things funny only revealed that you have no clue, as you just tried to 'say something. Anyway, you are wrong and yall wrong.

Think deep and answer the first question: where were you?

kimba:

All unbelievers of your taste wont and definitely don't have the same answers that you have given. Amongst yourselves Aethists and unbelievers, you don't agree.

Please someone get the irony-meter
By the way, are Catholics really Christians?

Wat r they

Uche2nna:

What r they

At the very least, they don't agree

Uche2nna:

You are a  funny very person KAG.

I try (especially at the person part).

How can you accuse me of being a poor student and yet u have not heard of Larmacks theory of use and disuse That was the basis of  his interpretation of Evolution.

Because not only haven't I claimed to have studied Larmarckian evolution, I haven't studied Larmarckian evolution.

And please there is no way u can isolate Genetics and Evolution.One is used to try and explain the other.

I suppose. who proposed isolating them though?

Mendel was a scientist.I wonder where you got that from.Yeah U can say he made a scientific discovery but he was not conventionally trained in the lab.Like I said he even dropped out of  school because of financial constraints and his lab was just a patch of Garden (reminds me of the Garden of Eden where man was first created ).That was even the reason why for many years the scientific community never believed in that theory.

"In 1851 he was sent to the University of Vienna to study, returning to his abbey in 1853 as a teacher, principally of physics." I'd say that made him a scientist.

"Gregor Mendel, who is known as the "father of modern genetics", was inspired by both his professors at university and his colleagues at the monastery to study variation in plants. He commenced his study in his monastery's experimental garden. Between 1856 and 1863 Mendel cultivated and tested some 28,000 pea plants. His experiments brought forth two generalizations which later became known as Mendel's Laws of Inheritance."


I'd say that made him a scientist. What would you call Darwin?

P.S. You believe humans and all the animals on Earth were created in a garden ---- years ago?

most if not all followed,Darwin.Except for a few,like De Vries.However,De Vries could not convince a lot of people.So in came T. Morgan.It was 50 years later that Morgan actually proved that Mendel was right all along.It was then that the scientific community stopped calling Mendel that obscure monk,altho that moniker stuck even till this day.But even Morgan that proved mendel right did not start as an apostle of Mendel.He believed in the more polished and conventional scientist,Darwin.To him also,Mendel was just an obscure monk.So he actually set out to prove Darwinism correct and Mendelism wrong.

Wait, you think Darwin was a scientist, but don't think Mendel was one? Explain. Also, Darwin's (and Wallace's) theory of evolution were actually attacked by many.

But all that is history now as he  did the exact opposite!

He did? Evidence, please.

Y r u talking about Mutation.Darwin never knew what mutation was,I just wish that you will go back and read Darwin's stuff !

Darwin is dead.

You can explain inheritance now perfectly(both Dominant and Reccesiveness) because you have been taught Mendelian Inheritance.

Indeed

Darwin could not,and that was the major loophole in his theory.

Explain what you mean by loophole, because I have no idea what you're talking about. Darwin may not have known the exact mechanics for evolution, but he knew enough - he certainly knew about natural selection and inheritance. The theory of evolution has moved on since Darwin, and is still, as yet, unfalsified.

Like every shrewd scientist he knew that something was wrong with his theory.If only he had opened that obscure monk's letter,

Could you at least give some evidence of this unopened letter you keep going on about? It will help a great deal.

 

A thoery is not just made for the sake of being made.A theory is formulated to explain certain phenomenon,and the major extrapolation of Darwin theory was that of Intermediacy of species.So it really beats me that u are not conversant with that fall out of Darwin's theory.I do not know if when u read stuff u just pick those that suits u and leave out those that does not

Why don't inform me - and if not me the rest of the forum - about the fall of the theory of evolution.

NOTHING COMES OUT OF NOTHING,

Except when a virtual particle does.

ALL CELLS COMES FROM PRE EXISTING CELLS,

Except when a protocell is mentioned.

kimba:

@KAG

U missed it, even the first question:
The question is: WHERE WERE YOU?

Where I was becomes a moot point, when the question itself is wrong about the details. It's like me asking: "where were you when Mushu the enchanted Elf created the flat Sun that orbits the Earth". Not only are the details wrong, but the character is also non-existent. So rather than simply leaving it "mu", I decided to correct the error (or at least worded in a way that looks wrong) because correcting the error itself would show that the character asking the question was faulty as well.

All unbelievers of your taste wont and definitely don't have the same answers that you have given. Amongst yourselves Aethists and unbelievers, you don't agree.

EXTRA READ ALL ABOUT IT: There's no coalition of atheists and unbelievers. Apparently they all have minds of their own - amazing I know; they are to be pitied and scorned for that.

Trying to make things funny only revealed that you have no clue, as you just tried to 'say something. Anyway, you are wrong and yall wrong.

That's swell.

Think deep and answer the first question: where were you?

When what?