agalamanyi:
I don't even have anything to say to you. If that's how you see it, then o well, I guess if you child cheats to pass an exam, you would praise him alas it's not easy to cheat, abi people failed, Governor embezzled money to build Church, praise him abi, at least he built Church with the money. INNOSON has been praised when he started off and we were all full of expectation , but if you can't be honest and see what's wrong with stealing someone's structural designs am indeed proud of your mentality as a Nigerian Youth, Leaders of Tomorrow, oshey!

chidozieikeji2:
look wen u want to criticise things criticise it constructively don't criticise it in order to rubbish it entirely dats My stance on the whole issue do a proper semantic analysis of ur first statement and u will see the flaws that made me to be angry

GuyfawkesAB:
ya head no korrect.

All the governors in the Southeast buying toyota and hyundai for their state police fleet are not operating double standards?

KIA is offering a minimum of N45k monthly installment and IVM is offering a minimum of N97k monthly installment for the smallest car. Which one you think say customers go go for?
Mr. Chukwuma should be innovative and strategic.

agalamanyi:

Innoson has been producing cars, though of poor quality but it has been selling he does not need to copy others, originality sells, he can't be doing like china phone.
Did he have to copy people when National Population commission got his cars? NO
Did he have to copy people when Gov. Obiano got 200 of his cars and shared to traditional rulers in Anambra state? No bro
If didn't even need to copy when FG bought his bus for mass transit , even Ben Bruce got his car for personal use and for the silver Bird group, now he came up with this Mercedes body type, Jeep face type, Is he going back or forward? Iru Fanta, Okpa Coke.

agalamanyi:
The design is not creative to say the least, it's a copy of the Mercedes G, just imagine the lawsuit Mercedes would slam on him if they found out, but the beauty of the scenario is that Mercedes does not know Innoson exists.

agalamanyi:

Innoson has been producing cars, though of poor quality but it has been selling he does not need to copy others, originality sells, he can't be doing like china phone.
Did he have to copy people when National Population commission got his cars? NO
Did he have to copy people when Gov. Obiano got 200 of his cars and shared to traditional rulers in Anambra state? No bro
If didn't even need to copy when FG bought his bus for mass transit , even Ben Bruce got his car for personal use and for the silver Bird group, now he came up with this Mercedes body type, Jeep face type, Is he going back or forward? Iru Fanta, Okpa Coke.

naptu2:


1) The assembly plant is not new.

2) All major car makers run assembly plants. They do not make all the components of the vehicles themselves (for example, most of the parts of the Mercedes Benz G Class are made by Steyr.

3) A lot of the parts that are used to make Innoson vehicles are made by other manufacturers in Nnewi.

kobonaire:

All major car makers design and engineer their vehicles. That is the most important thing that is done in automobile engineering. They then set up assembly plants all over the world.

Innoson does not design engineer a single vehicle. Everything is done by Donfeng Motors in China who then supply Innoson CKD kits for re-assembly in Nigeria with the contractual agreement to put Innoson's logo on the car. This has been done by Pegueot and Volkswagen in Nigeria since the 70s.

naptu2:


All Innoson vehicles that have been produced so far are Nigerian made versions of chinese vehicles. For example, the SUV that Ben Bruce got is a Nigerian made version of the GAC GoNow G5.


GAC GoNow G5



IVM G5

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1374659_20131021003637295_jpg46c2adbff508fc26adb257f9dc52e208



And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

chidozieikeji2:
my broda try and watch toyota versus honda and mitshbushi versus bmw dia is somtin u will observe also mazda versus toyota u will observe a lot of similarities in their respective drawing but it doesn't imply that they copied eachoda

agalamanyi:
please educate me on the version of the Chinese car he prototyped in the model?

naptu2:


1) Not all major car companies design and engineer their vehicles. These are sometimes contracted out. See the example I already provided of the Volkswagen Sharan. The first generation Volkswagen Sharan was also made by Ford as the Ford Galaxy and by Seat as the Seat Alhambra. Ford, Volkswagen and Seat are major car companies. The first generation Volkswagen Santana GX was known as the Nissan Santana in Japan, the Ford Versailles in America and the FAW Santana in China. You can't tell me that Ford and Nissan are not major car companies. And there are many more examples.

2) Innoson vehicles are not all Donfeng vehicles. In fact, most of their vehicles are made in partnership with BAIC (the SUV that is the subject of this thread is a BAIC BJ80), GAC GoNow, etc.

3) Innoson vehicles are also modified to fit nigerian roads and many of the parts are made by nigerian companies (most of which are based in Nnewi). For example, the plastic that's used in Innoson vehicles is made by Innoson Technical and Industrial Co. Ltd. and other parts are made by Ibeto, Chicason, Omata, etc.

4) I totally agree with you that PAN, VON, Anamco have already made cars in Nigeria. I witnessed when these plants were in full production. I remember when Peugeot produced their first Peugeot 504 that had 50% nigerian components. The suppliers included ISO Glass Ibadan, which supplied the automotive glass for the windscreen, nocaco, which supplied the wire harness, Michelin Nigeria, which supplied the tyres (Michelin had 3 or 4 rubber plantations in Nigeria, including one at the Edo-Ondo border, and they made the tyres in their factory in Lagos), the car seat company in Kaduna (I can't remember its name), etc. The part suppliers included companies that made the automotive batteries, lubricants, clutch cables, mudguards, wiper blades, brake pads, automobile paints, exhaust pipes, etc And I also remember what happened to the nigerian companies that made those products when those assembly plants collapsed.

Siena:
Naptu, you bring a lot of sanity and maturity without letting emotion get in the way, I like that.

The Volkswagen Sharan was a joint collaboration with Ford, who built a similar vehicle, the Ford Galaxy. However, there were differences.

The switchgear was Ford and Volkswagen, the instrument cluster was Volkswagen, the body shell was a mix of Volkswagen and Ford.

All the engines in the Volkswagen Sharan were Volkswagen units, so were the all the automatic transmissions, which were also fitted to all automatic variants of the Ford Galaxy. Only 2 engines in the Ford Galaxy were Ford units. The manual gearboxes on both the Volkswagen and Ford MPV's were supplied by Ford.

Volkswagen Sharan engines:

1.8T I4 DOHC 20V turbo - Volkswagen.
2.0 I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.
2.8 VR6 SOHC 12V - Volkswagen.
2.8 VR6 DOHC 24V - Volkswagen.
1.9 TDI I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.
2.0 TDI I4 DOHC 16V - Volkswagen.

Ford Galaxy engines:

2.0 I4 DOHC 16V - Ford.
2.3 I4 DOHC 16V - Ford.
2.8 VR6 SOHC 12V - Volkswgen.
1.9 TDI I4 SOHC 8V - Volkswagen.

This was a true collaboration in every sense of the word, rather than a Volkswagen with a Ford badge simply slapped on, and vise versa.

kobonaire:

FACT: Innoson does not engineer or design any single vehicle they assemble.

FACT: For you to be an auto-manufacturer you have to be able to design/engineer your own vehicles.
If Volkswagen contracts out a particular model then that is fine. Volkswagen is an established. Auto designer and manufacturer. Innoson as not engineered an single vehicle till date.

FACT: The critical components of a vehicle apart from it's design, are the engine, transmission, and body. None of these which Innoson does.

Whether it's assembly done for Dongfeng or BAIC it is still the same thing .... a CKD assembly. The fact that they source batteries, car tyres locally means that's the same thing PAN, VOA have been doing with the only difference that they Innoson sticks their label.

LoveMachine:


I thought you were talking about the automobiles. But yeah I noticed that as well. I imagine they need to hike up those health/safety practices.

sunnyb0b0:


Ibu Onye Awka?

naptu2:


1) You keep stressing that what Innoson is doing is the same as what PAN, VON and Anamco did, I wonder why. I have not at any time said that it was in any way different, so I don't know why you keep repeating it.

2) You have the Rolls Royce Silver Seraph (1988). The engine was made by BMW, the transmission was made by Saarbrucken. By your logic, that means that the car was not made by Rolls Royce Motors.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Silver_Seraph

kobonaire:

1) I keep stressing it because of the misleading marketing that Innoson employs hiding the fact that they do assembly of CKDs.
2) RollsRoyce, Ford, BMW, Toyota etc have all done collaboration projects sourcing engines from other manufactures. However the most important things is that they have also designed and manufactured their own engines, transmissions and bodies.

Till, Innoson designs/makes their own engine, tranny, body design, they are just an assembly house.
I completely respect Innoson for what they do but for Nigeria's auto technology and economy. I am just stating facts.

naptu2:
I have debated this issue many times in the past 25 years and in my opinion, the only reasons that it generates controversy are:

1) It's assembled in Nigeria.

2) It has parts from a pre-existing car.

Now, imagine that I wanted to make a car. I've got the money and I set up my factory in Gothenburg, Sweden and I hire

1) Pininfarina to design the car

2) Detroit Diesel or BMW to make the engine

3) Zagato or Pininfarina to do the coachwork.

4) Saarbrucken to do the transmission.

5) Michelin to make special tyres for it

Etc

And I bring it all to my factory in Gothenburg, assemble it there, slap my badge on it and name it after myself, would you say that I did not make the car? If I didn't make the car, then who did?

naptu2:
I have debated this issue many times in the past 25 years and in my opinion, the only reasons that it generates controversy are:
[s]
1) It's assembled in Nigeria.

2) It has parts from a pre-existing car.

Now, imagine that I wanted to make a car. I've got the money and I set up my factory in Gothenburg, Sweden and I hire

1) Pininfarina to design the car

2) Detroit Diesel or BMW to make the engine

3) Zagato or Pininfarina to do the coachwork.

4) Saarbrucken to do the transmission.

5) Michelin to make special tyres for it

Etc

And I bring it all to my factory in Gothenburg, assemble it there, slap my badge on it and name it after myself, would you say that I did not make the car? If I didn't make the car, then who did?[/s]

Ilovemystate:

This guy you are trying all your treacherous ways to pull Innoson down with you posts, I have gone through your posts and I know the jealous tribe you came from, go back a watch the video clip and show us VON, BAN video let and know what make Innoson assembling plant, you are treacherously what to rubbish the first car manufacturing plant in Nigeria

Ilovemystate:

This guy you are trying all your treacherous ways to pull Innoson down with you posts, I have gone through your posts and I know the jealous tribe you came from, go back a watch the video clip and show us VON, BAN video let and know what make Innoson assembling plant, you are treacherously what to rubbish the first car manufacturing plant in Nigeria

naptu2:


Please answer this question before I go further.

agalamanyi:
The design is not creative to say the least, it's a copy of the Mercedes G, just imagine the lawsuit Mercedes would slam on him if they found out, but the beauty of the scenario is that Mercedes does not know Innoson exists.

olatunjithomas:

shut the Bleep up now zombie!! it is called competition. where or what do you think leads to the birth of Honda's ODYSSEY,ACCORD?were they not trying to replicate Toyota's SIENNA and CAMRY?Or from where do you think Honda city came out from if not from the original Toyota corolla. have you heard anybody filing suite against anybody?
if you know you don't have anything to offer, why not get a bottle of zobo nd sip gently till you sleep off.

kobonaire:

Your concept is NOT what Innoson is doing.
Here are some facts for you
1) Innoson is doing assembly of vehicles using CKD kits from China.
2) None of the car designs were done by Innoson.

Unless you have a comprehensive argument (with facts), I will not waste my time clapping my hands because Innoson sourced the battery, tyre or brake pad locally. When Innoson designs/engineers any of these : Engine, Tranmission or auto body then I will laud their authenticity. All their cars are replica models of Chinese cars. Try and dispute that.

naptu2:
To make it all very simple, I'll give a short explanation, then I really have to go.

The fact that you've made an automobile engine, does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile engine.

That fact that you've made an automobile transmission does not mean that you've made a car. You've made an automobile transmission.

The fact that you've made automobile tyres does not mean that you've made a car.

You've made a car when you give part suppliers specifications of what you want, they deliver the parts and you put it all together in such a way that a person can drive it. That's when you've made a car. Otherwise, you've only made car parts.

naptu2:




You didn't answer my question. I didn't ask you to "clap hands" for Innoson. Please try and answer the question. Don't try and avoid it.

Here's another one to go with my earlier question (but please don't avoid my earlier question. Try and attempt both).