Splinz:
Whales and Dolphins

The next quote demonstrates the impossibility of whales and dolphins evolving to their present state. It lies in the context of a larger statement about why there is no fossil record demonstrating various stages of transition in their development:

“We can demonstrate one such transition problem by using the example of dolphins and whales. These mammals bear their young alive and breathe air, yet spend their entire lifetime in the sea. Presumably, in order for dolphins and whales to have evolved, they must have originated from a land mammal that returned to the water and changed into a sea creature. But dolphins and whales have so many remarkable features upon which their survival depends that they couldn't have evolved! It would be a lot like trying to change a bus into a submarine one part at a time, all the while it is traveling at 60 miles per hour.

“The following is a list of transitions evolutionists have to account for in the dolphin in its evolution from some unknown land dwelling pre-dolphin: (1) The nose would have to move to the back of the head. (2) Feet, claws, or tail would be exchanged for fins and flippers. (3) It would have to develop a torpedo shaped body for efficient swimming in the water. (4) It would have to drink sea water and desalinize it. (5) It's entire bone structure and metabolism would have to be rearranged. (6) It would need to develop a sophisticated sonar system to search for food.

“Could the dolphin acquire these features gradually one at a time over a period of millions of years? What about the transitional stages? Would they have survived with just some of these features? Why is there a total absence of transitional forms fossilized?

“Consider the whale and its enormous size in comparison with the plankton it feeds upon. The whale is a nautical vacuum cleaner, with a baleen filter. While it was ‘developing’ this feature, what did it feed upon before? For me, it takes a great stretch of the imagination to picture the evolution of dolphins and whales” (Douglas B. Sharp, The Revolution Against Evolution, ch. 5.).

It must be concluded that whales and dolphins were created!


What About Hummingbirds?

The briefest overview of birds reveals some remarkable facts. Virtually every bird builds its nest in a different way. Courtship behavior, sexual roles and reproductive activity are different among nearly every species. In one bird, the roles of the male gathering the food while the female sits on the eggs are reversed. And when did the sexes diverge—for birds or any other animal? (Even some plants are male and female. How did this happen?)

Hummingbirds represent true genius. They weigh one-fourteenth of an ounce and, like helicopters, can fly forward, backward, sideways and can hover in mid-air. Their flight mechanism is incredibly complex and the quills in their feathers are stronger for their weight than any structure designed by man. These quills constantly change shape to adjust for wind and air pressure. The leading vane of their feather functions much like a propeller, to offer lift and propulsion.

Three-quarters of their entire weight is in their wing muscles. They possess a kind of jet-assisted takeoff mechanism that they can use during landings and takeoffs. Air flows only one way into their lungs so as to bring a constant supply of oxygen for such strenuous high-speed flight. They also possess retractable landing gear, a migration navigation system, streamlining and camouflage and an extraordinary respiration system where they can store extra air inside their hollow bones. In turn, this provides buoyancy and an internal air conditioner. Hummingbirds must eat continuously to satisfy their high level of metabolism. To stop eating would mean death. Only by undergoing a kind of “hibernation” at night, can they survive. Could all this have evolved or just happened?

Like the bumblebee, which also appears to completely defy the laws of physics in its ability to fly, the hummingbird is just as unique but is practically an aerodynamic perfection. Only God could have made such an efficient flying machine. No aeronautical engineer has ever designed anything close to this tiny marvel of flight!


And Fish?

The angler fish, the archer fish, and the anableps are three fish that literally swim in the face of evolution.

The female angler fish has a lure hanging from an appendage extending from the front of her nose. It lures fish close so that she can strike and swallow them. The male does not have one because he never eats. Rather, he attaches himself to the female, allowing the bloodstreams of both to merge, thus feeding him. Evolutionists cannot explain the angler fish.

The archer fish can shoot down bugs above the surface by squirting water at them. Water severely bends (refracts) light and should cause an impossible targeting problem for the fish. How do all archer fish instinctively know how to perfectly compute the severe angle of refraction of light in order to successfully hit their prey as they do?

The anableps is a fish with absolutely extraordinary eyes. They allow it to sit on the surface and see out of water and under water at the same time. Its eyes are literally divided into two entirely separate parts. How did evolution cause half an eye to gradually evolve so that it can see out of water and vice-versa with the other half?

What engineer has ever made such efficient submarines, whose design makes them perfect hunters, so well-suited for their needs and environment?

Alright guys. Lets hear your views. It's not over yet..................

chistev12:


With all these, why do people say there is no God?!!!!!

joe4christ:
It is evident that the universe could not have came into existence by accident.
But ascribing such glory to Yahweh, the Jewish diety is absolutely unacceptable.
Even from biblical portrait of his makeup, attitude and personality, he is more human and imperfect like myself, in fact I'm better than him in all ramifications. As my conduct can't get that worse.
It's obvious the intelligence behind creation is either too busy to even want to be noticed or he sure is a very secured personality who doesn't desire human worship to feel good about himself.
He seems to be more interested in watching the dramas put up by his creation.

It is evident that the universe could not have came into existence by accident

But ascribing such glory to Yahweh, the Jewish diety is absolutely unacceptable.

Even from biblical portrait of his makeup, attitude and personality, he is more human and imperfect like myself, in fact I'm better than him in all ramifications. As my conduct can't get that worse.

It's obvious the intelligence behind creation is either too busy to even want to be noticed or he sure is a very secured personality who doesn't desire human worship to feel good about himself.
He seems to be more interested in watching the dramas put up by his creation.

davien:
"irrefutable proofs of god", Is the material you copied and pasted here right from page 1...another rehashed piece of poo... lols

I remembered laughing to the debunking by Aronra on YouTube... better stay clear of that,you might actually learn something... lol

Splinz:

Don't you think you need to check again? Such needless show of ignorance.

davien:
No, I don't need to... you copied it word for word... what is actually ignorant is mindlessly lifting page after page of material and expecting someone to respond to it..

Splinz:

You see! That's why you're likely to wallow in ignorance all your life. Such a pity.

davien:
Indeed... anyone is free to fact check me by searching for Refuting the irrefutable proof of god And listen while scrolling your forum from page one...

Weah96:


He's copying and pasting from a creationist website without bothering to even give them credit for the work. I expect this type of behavior from someone who goes to worship a fake god in a shrine every Sunday.

davien:
Indeed... anyone is free to fact check me by searching for Refuting the irrefutable proof of god And listen while scrolling your forum from page one...

"NOTE: The work you're about to learn from isn't mine".

Splinz:

Didn't I say you're bound to die in ignorance From the very beginning of this thread, this has stood out clearly,

chistev12:


The Bible is scientifically accurate, it contains information that the writers couldn't have known that period. If you want me to spell them out for you, I can.

It contains prophecies that came true. Critics have charged falsely that those prophecies were written after the events occurred because they were accurate in every detail. Humans cannot predict the future accurately. If you want me to list some of the prophecies and why it is reasonable to conclude that they were written before time, I would.

Scientifically accurate and accurate prophecies is enough for me to conclude that the God that authored that book exists and is the creator. You might drag your arguments to how wicked he is by burning people in fire and things like that, but those bible passages that seem to potray eternal torture are misinterpreted.

Anyways, I don't know if there's any other religious book that has proven science within its pages.

And by the way, do you know the bible is right in saying there was a global flood?

Edybleketara:
Do u see how u subtly eluded my questions and kept beating about d bush. I asked u a question, u claim d universe and life cant come about by itself due to d complexity and orderliness they possess. Dat also means God whose complexity is even greater than d universe couldn't have come about by itself. Conversely, if u believe something as complex as God can come about by itself, den u shuld also believe that d universe which is less complex than God can come about by itself unless ur being hypocrytical.

chistev12:
An excerpt from "Mankind's Search For God" published by Jehovah's witnesses.

"If there was no creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to take place?

Evolutionist admit that the probability of the right atoms and molecules falling into place to form just one simple protein molecule is 1 in 10^113, or 1 followed by 113 Zeros. That number is larger than the estimated total number of atoms in the universe! Mathematicians dismiss as never taking place anything that has a probability of occurring of less than 1 in 10^50. But far more than one simple protein molecule is needed for life. Some 2000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 10^40000!
'If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court," says astronomer Fred Hoyle.

On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws... They have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.
'Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,' writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.

A most intriguing fact about these laws... Is that there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist... For example, Freeman Davies has pointed out that if the force between nucleons were only a few percent stronger, the universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life... As we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in (newton's universe constant of gravitation) would turn all stars into blue Giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life. (Professor) Davies concludes: 'in this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible universe. If that is so, it is remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic'

...if the universe is governed by laws then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose - these are not characteristics of blind chance; that are precisely what an intelligent creator would manifest.

... The brain, the eye, the ear, the hand shows design so intricate that modern science cannot fully explain it... The annual migration of certain birds over thousands of miles of land and sea... Photosynthesis... The development of one fertilized egg into a complex with millions of differentiated cells with specialized functions... Are all... Evidence of intelligent design...

The more we know about the world around us, the more evidence we have for the existence of an intelligent creator, God. Thus, with an open mind we can agree with the psalmist as he acknowledged: 'how many your works are, o Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions' - psalm 104:24 "

chistev12:
An excerpt from "Mankind's Search For God" published by Jehovah's witnesses.

"If there was no creator, then life must have started spontaneously by chance. For life to have come about, somehow the right chemicals would have had to come together in the right quantities, under the right temperature and pressure and other controlling factors, and all would have had to be maintained for the correct length of time.
Furthermore, for life to have begun and been sustained on earth, these chance events would have had to be repeated thousands of times. But how likely is it for even one such event to t. Some 2000 different proteins are needed just for a cell to maintain its activity, and the chance that all of them will occur at random is 1 in 10^40000!
'If one is not prejudiced either by social beliefs or by a scientific training into the conviction that life originated [spontaneously] on the Earth, this simple calculation wipes the idea entirely out of court," says astronomer Fred Hoyle.

On the other hand, by studying the physical world, from the minute subatomic particles to the vast galaxies, scientists have discovered that all known natural phenomena appear to follow certain basic laws... They have discovered logic and order in everything that is taking place in the universe, and they have been able to express this logic and order in simple mathematical terms.
'Few scientists can fail to be impressed by the almost unreasonable simplicity and elegance of these laws,' writes a professor of physics, Paul Davies, in the magazine New Scientist.

A most intriguing fact about these laws... Is that there are certain factors whose values must be fixed precisely for the universe, as we know it, to exist... For example, Freeman Davies has pointed out that if the force between nucleons were only a few percent stronger, the universe would be devoid of hydrogen. Stars like the sun, not to mention water, could not exist. Life... As we know it, would be impossible. Brandon Carter has shown that very much smaller changes in (newton's universe constant of gravitation) would turn all stars into blue Giants or red dwarfs, with equally dire consequences for life. (Professor) Davies concludes: 'in this case it is conceivable that there might be only one possible universe. If that is so, it is remarkable thought that our own existence as conscious beings is an inescapable consequence of logic'

...if the universe is governed by laws then there must be an intelligent lawmaker who established the laws. Furthermore, since the laws governing the operation of the universe appear to be made in anticipation of life and conditions favorable to its sustenance, purpose is clearly involved. Design and purpose - these are not characteristics of blind chance; that are precisely what an intelligent creator would manifest.

... The brain, the eye, the ear, the hand shows design so intricate that modern science cannot fully explain it... The annual migration of certain birds over thousands of miles of land and sea... Photosynthesis... The development of one fertilized egg into a complex with millions of differentiated cells with specialized functions... Are all... Evidence of intelligent design...

The more we know about the world around us, the more evidence we have for the existence of an intelligent creator, God. Thus, with an open mind we can agree with the psalmist as he acknowledged: 'how many your works are, o Jehovah! All of them in wisdom you have made. The earth is full of your productions' - psalm 104:24 "

Edybleketara:
All proofs indicate dat its impossible for such God to exist by itself. God is too complex to just come about by itself, same way d universe according to u is too complex to come about by itself.

waldigit:

do let us mix up things. Objective is to proof that God exists. Who created God is another field of study for another day.

Splinz:
The Probability of an Earth

Let’s take an imaginary trip to the moon and look back at earth. Consider all that we left behind in our journey. We could ask: What are the mathematical odds that the earth, with all its plants, animals, eco-systems and complex interdependence, could come into existence by itself? What are the actual odds that all this could happen—even once? What are the odds of a single earth occurring?

Numerous scientists have recognized the improbable position of our planet’s location, in the solar system, in relation to its moon. For instance, if the earth were 10% farther from the sun, it would freeze over, or if it were 10% closer to the sun, it would quickly bake. If it were 20% closer to the moon, twice daily 35-50 foot tidal waves would wash to and fro over most of the earth’s land surface at great speed.

Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D., sat down and carefully performed an extraordinarily complex mathematical computation. He took 123 separate parameters (factors) and calculated the odds that all 123 factors, which had to be present for the earth to exist as we know it, could have come together—“just happened”—on their own.

Some of his parameters need to be listed here to begin to appreciate the complexity of his calculations.

He computed an exact value for galaxy size, type, location, birthdate of the sun, proximity of solar nebula to a supernova eruption, number of moons, mass and distance from moons, tidal force, axis tilt of planet, planetary distance from star, global distribution of continents, thickness of planet crust, atmospheric transparency, pressure, viscosity, carbon dioxide level, amount of chlorine, cobalt, copper, fluorine, nickel, potassium (and many other elements in the earth’s crust), oxygen-to-nitrogen ratio, volcanic activity and scores more. Then Dr. Ross performed one final mathematical computation before arriving at a final conclusion on the chances of the entire universe producing even one earth.

The results of his calculation—of finding all 123 of his parameters on a single earth are: “less than one chance in 10 to the 139th power (ten thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion) exists that even one such planet would occur anywhere in the universe.”

This represents a lot of zeros!

Only a few decades ago, the largest number known to mathematicians was a vigintillion—or one with 63 zeros. A quadrillion has fifteen zeros and a quintillion has eighteen. As gigantic as are these numbers, the odds of an earth appearing anywhere in the universe represents a number so immensely large as to dwarf a quadrillion.

Understand! The universe is inseparable from the laws of mathematics. In other words, the appearance of a single earth, anywhere in the universe, is an utterly impossible probability. Any mathematician “worth his salt” would admit that the earth was created exactly as we see it!

Splinz:
The Probability of an Earth

Let’s take an imaginary trip to the moon and look back at earth. Consider all that we left behind in our journey. We could ask: What are the mathematical odds that the earth, with all its plants, animals, eco-systems and complex interdependence, could come into existence by itself? What are the actual odds that all this could happen—even once? What are the odds of a single earth occurring?

Numerous scientists have recognized the improbable position of our planet’s location, in the solar system, in relation to its moon. For instance, if the earth were 10% farther from the sun, it would freeze over, or if it were 10% closer to the sun, it would quickly bake. If it were 20% closer to the moon, twice daily 35-50 foot tidal waves would wash to and fro over most of the earth’s land surface at great speed.

Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D., sat down and carefully performed an extraordinarily complex mathematical computation. He took 123 separate parameters (factors) and calculated the odds that all 123 factors, which had to be present for the earth to exist as we know it, could have come together—“just happened”—on their own.

Some of his parameters need to be listed here to begin to appreciate the complexity of his calculations.

He computed an exact value for galaxy size, type, location, birthdate of the sun, proximity of solar nebula to a supernova eruption, number of moons, mass and distance from moons, tidal force, axis tilt of planet, planetary distance from star, global distribution of continents, thickness of planet crust, atmospheric transparency, pressure, viscosity, carbon dioxide level, amount of chlorine, cobalt, copper, fluorine, nickel, potassium (and many other elements in the earth’s crust), oxygen-to-nitrogen ratio, volcanic activity and scores more. Then Dr. Ross performed one final mathematical computation before arriving at a final conclusion on the chances of the entire universe producing even one earth.

The results of his calculation—of finding all 123 of his parameters on a single earth are: “less than one chance in 10 to the 139th power (ten thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion) exists that even one such planet would occur anywhere in the universe.”

This represents a lot of zeros!

Only a few decades ago, the largest number known to mathematicians was a vigintillion—or one with 63 zeros. A quadrillion has fifteen zeros and a quintillion has eighteen. As gigantic as are these numbers, the odds of an earth appearing anywhere in the universe represents a number so immensely large as to dwarf a quadrillion.

Understand! The universe is inseparable from the laws of mathematics. In other words, the appearance of a single earth, anywhere in the universe, is an utterly impossible probability. Any mathematician “worth his salt” would admit that the earth was created exactly as we see it!