chukwudi44:

@Oladegbu

The Apostles and other early christians who did not practise tithing are unbeleivers abi

chukwudi44:

Why don't you show me from the scriptures where christians practised tithing after the death and ressurrection of Jesus.

In luke 2 23-24

The law of the Lord says If a woman first child is a boy ,he must be dedicated to the Lord.So they offered a sacrifice according to what was required in the law of the Lord-"either a pair of turtle doves or two young pigeons"

Are you saying we should also continue with this practise ?

It most to be stated that while jesus spoke in luke 43,the law was still valid and so was tithing and burnt offerings.

All this changed with the death and ressurrection of Jesus by his death he abolished the jewish law(heb 7:18,ephe 2:14-15).

It m,ust be statyed that even while tithing was valid it never involved money,neither was it paid weekly,monthly or daily.

iN DEUT 14:22-29

You must set aside a tithe-one tenth of all the crops you harvest each year.bring this tithe to the place the lord your God choses for his name to be honoured and eat it there in his presence.
This applies to the tithes of your grain,new wine,olive oil and firstborn males of your flocks and herds.The purpose of tithing is to teach you always to fear the lord your God.
Now the place the lord your God choses for his name to be honoured might be a long way from home.If so you may sell a tithe portion of you crops and herds and take the money to the place the lord choses for his name to be honoured.When you arrive  use the money to buy anything you want -an ox,a sheep,some wine or beer.Then feast there in the presence of the lord your God and celebrate with your household.And do not forget the levites in your community for they have no inheritance as you do.

At end of every third year bring the titheof all your crops and store it in the nearest town  give it to the levites who have no inheritance among you  as well as the foreigners living among you,the orphans and the widows in your towns so they can eat and be satisfied.

There is no where it was stated that money was to be involved,neither was it to be paid weekly,monthly or daily.

It was simply meant to be paid annually and once in three years

In matt 23:23

Jesus cleary stated that tithing was part of the now obsolete jewish law and even then ,it was not even among then weightier matters of the law

"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." (Matthew 23:23



The law has been abolished as the scriptures plainly tells us tithing has gone with the law ,continuing with tithing means that you have cut yourself off from the grace of christ as stated in Galatians 5:4

kalauta:

Chukwudi44, please don't bother yourself trying to explain the simplicity of giving to these robots who have been programmed to give tithes to a pastor or so called churches. Remember, these last days, the scriptures warned us about those who will not heed to sound doctrines because they have itching ears and will follow those preachers that preaches what they want to hear thereby deceiving them and cleaning out their pockets.

Let them continue to argue blindly and fight to pay a tenth of their income to a mere man who claims to run the "house of God". The scriptures is there for them to study and understand but they won't because they are comfortable listening to their "Pastor" who has twisted the scriptures. How can these "Robot' challenge their Pastors for wrongdoing when they are not smart enough to study what the scriptures says and let the Holy spirit who is the only teacher of truth teach them.

They don't even understand why Christ came in the first place hence they can't understand why the practice of old testament law has become an abomination to God.  They have ears but don't hear; have eyes but can't see. A fool and his money are soon departed. Let them keep giving a 10% of their income to their "Pastors" while their families and neighbors wallow in poverty.

OLAADEGBU:

Let's see Jesus' view on tithing in Mark 12:41-44

"And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.  And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.  And He called to him His disciples, and said to them, Verily I say to you.  That this poor widow has cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury.  For all they did cast in of their abundance, but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living."

We can see that even among the so called believers, when it comes with parting with their money the Far-to-sees and the Sad-u-see out did them in giving but Jesus said that except your righteousness exceeds that of the Pharisees and Sadducees you shall not enter the kingdom of God.  My people here are still arguing over 10% of their income, here is a widow who gave her all that the Lord recommended to have given the best.  My people can be trusted to fight till the last blood when it comes to the issue of parting with his money, the wallet is surely the last and final area to be surrendered to God if and when God needs it.

Jesus spoke much about money.  He said that we cannot serve God and mammon (Matthew 6:24).  "Mammon" was the common Aramaic word for riches, which is related to a Hebrew word signifying "that which is to be trusted."  In other words, we cannot trust God and money simultaneously, they are both mutually exclusive.  Either money is our source of Joy, our great love, our sense of security, the supplier of our needs (trust my people), or God is.

When you open your purse or wallet, give generously and regularly to your local church where you are being fed with daily or regular spiritual manna.  A guide to how much you should give can be found in the "tithe" of the Old Testament, which is 10% of your income.  Whatever amount you give, make sure you give something to the work of God (Malachi 3:8-11).  Give because you want to, not because you have to.  God loves a cheerful giver (2 Corinthians 9:6.7), so my obodo people, learn to hold your money (eego, owo, kudi) with a loose hand.

chukwudi44:

This is what our Lord Jesus Christ had to say on tithing in Mark 12:41-44 (The words of Christ in red).

"And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much. And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing. And He called to him His disciples, and said to them, Verily I say to you. That this poor widow has cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury. For all they did cast in of their abundance, but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living

Oladeegbu please dont deliberatly misinteptret the scriptures .The money paid by the widow was just freewill offering and not tithes.

It was never stated that the woman paid a tenth of her earnings ,in fact there is no where in the bible where tithe was paid with money.If it was the recommended ten percent then why then was Jesus commending her since she put in what was required by the law.

The boldened section says it all .I must add that I am not against christians freely donating money to assist their churches ,what I am fighting is the criminal heresy that christians are required to pay 10 percent of their earnings to the church,Thus introducing the abolished mosaic law into christianity.

2 cor 9:7 clearly states that christians should not give out of pressure but rather as one purposes in his heart.

I would continue asking this question untill someone answers me

who increased the frequency of tithing from once in three years as stated in the scriptures(deut 14:28,deut 26;12,amos 4:4) to now monthly,weekly or even daily?

How come tithing now involve money contrary bto the specification that it could only be agricultural products as stated in deut 14:22-29

ogajim:

OLAADEGBU, pastor 419

A good deed done out of LOVE beats any amount or percentage any day.
You can't BRIBE God with 10% NO WAY JOSE! A thief is a thief whether he uses a book or a gun

OLAADEGBU:

To be precise, I am a Phillipians 4:19 believer.  Any problem with that?

ogajim:

Chapter 4 verse 19 coincidence? I hope so

One has to have a deep understanding/knowledge of the Scriptures to contend with today's "rob the flock blind, stealing in the name of the Lord" pastors/leaders. Paul was stating his trust in God as the ultimate provider and the fact that he was never a burden to any "congregation" as he went about his mission, there was no levy on the Phillipians that we know of. Below are some verses from the same chapter:

10But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly, that now at the last your care of me hath flourished again; wherein ye were also careful, but ye lacked opportunity.

11Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

12I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.


No one I have read on this thread is against voluntary giving but the "mandatory" tithe that some pastors preach to line their pockets. Jesus fulfilled the law and yet some of them still want you to follow this law and to discard the "non prosperity laws" which runs in the Hundreds, something fishy

Matthew 18:19-20:
19Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.

20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

I heard once that "if there was no tithe, how can we cover the church expenses?",
The Church is not a "building", "tabernacle", etc, but every believer of Christ, if your "expenses" are too high, downsize because our Lord and Savior enjoined us not to build mansions here on earth but to lay up our Treasures in Heaven.

You have a right to continue your own way and I have a right not to be included in this scheme, to each his own.

OLAADEGBU:


@Chukwudi44 & Ogajim,

Save your sermons for your Psalms 41:9 friends, as for me I still lay claim to Philippians.4:19.

@OLAADEGBU

- OLAADEGBU

My fellow lord and peer

Loved that Psalms 41:9 quote

Trust the Bible to already have a "song lyric" for back then and modern time Judas'

Brilliant 419 quote off the Bible - well spotted

Yup! as for I and my household we too are Philippians 4:19 

@Chukwudi44

Not exactly sure of this though . . .

Is Chukwudi44 a christian, christian RCC, RCC christian, or just RCC

"Christian RCC" means Christian first then RCC following and vice versa 

It'll be nice to know and could put things into perspective . . .

OLAADEGBU:


@Recognise

My fellow soldier in Christ,

Check out the passage below

and see how the Bible blew the cover of the likes of this Psalm 41:9 friends

who pretend to have the cause of the poor and needy at heart.

Look at the story of Judas below . . .

Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,

Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 

This he said, not that he cared for the poor;

but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein

. . .  Then said Jesus,

"Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this.

For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always"

Here you can see how the present day Psalms 41:9 friends cannot stand the giving to the work of God

because they are "really concerned about the poor".

-- John 12:1-8

OLAADEGBU

-OLAADEGBU

True talk, true talk fellow lord & peer . . .

Bet you already know why peeps especially "christians" are po

noticed its po even worse than poor

Its because they only follow the person of Jesus alone

and dont follow His principle(s) hence the po poor position

The irony is that unbelievers (i.e. the world) on the other hand follow the principle(s) of Jesus to prosper

but stops short at following the person of Jesus.

The person & principles of Jesus is a complete package, kinda like a coin, they go hand-in-hand together

The head & tail makes a coin a legal tender.

Without either on a coin, the coin is a dud, a fake

The person & principles of Jesus leads one to Salvation & Prosperity

Chukwudi44:


@Oladeegbu, Recognise

What has all this bible quotations got to do with tithes,

show me anywhere in the Bible where christians practised tithing?

Jesus was here on earth for 33 years and he never demanded tithe from anybody,

the apostles who continued after him never demanded tithes, 

how come titihing is practised in today's christianity?

Even if I  were to assume that tithing is still valid

how come the frequency of tithe was unscripturally increased from once in 3 years to now daily,weekly or monthly

as it is practised today?

How come money was unscpricturally substituted for agricultural products?

I want to state here that I am not against freewill donation as practised by the biblical christians,

What I am fighting is the criminal heresy

that christians are required to pay 10 percent of their earnings to their different church[/b]es.

To [b]prove me wrong show me anywhere in the Bible

that tithing was practised after the fulfilment of the law by Jesus

@Chukwudi44

- Chukwudi44

I think I recall what you are but not exactly sure . . . hence my "rain check" to confirm

Dont shy away from answering my earlier questions that you cleverly selectively ignored

Possibly it skipped your mind responding to them so am reiterated them below

1|) Are you  a christian,

2) a christian RCC,

3) a  RCC christian,

4) or just RCC

"Christian RCC" means Christian first then RCC following and vice versa 

What number are you? Are you #1), #2), #3) or #4)

It'll be nice to know and could put things into perspective . . .

Jagoon:


Why are you goons ranting rubbish,

the RCC introduced tithing to christianity after the council of tours in the year 567AD,

they have since realized that preaching compulsary tithing is evil and heretical

and they no longer indulge in such demonic practises,

yet the criminally inspired pentecostal movement

who are an off shoot of the catholic protestants still adhere to it becos of the filthy lucre they derive from it.

Their judgement is already concluded 2 Peter2:1-3

Taa-da!-  light bulb moment?

Chukwudi44 must be a chess player and saw me coming in with a kill . . . 

Read the moves on the board and refused to take the bait

Fairplay to you my men

and the goons know themselves . . . 

and yes the RCC instituted tithing & used to excommunicate for non-payment of it . . .

It was that bad 

Recognise:

@Chukwudi44

- Chukwudi44

I think I recall what you are but not exactly sure . . . hence my "rain check" to confirm

Dont shy away from answering my earlier questions that you cleverly selectively ignored

Possibly it skipped your mind responding to them so am reiterated them below

1|) Are you a christian,

2) a christian RCC,

3) a RCC christian,

4) or just RCC

"Christian RCC" means Christian first then RCC following and vice versa

What number are you? Are you #1), #2), #3) or #4)

It'll be nice to know and could put things into perspective . . .

chukwudi44:

This is what I beleive in

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen

Are you now denying Mary, and what do you mean by the holy catholic church, is it the same as the RCC?

Kennyyo:

I just feel people need to double check their opinions before voicing it. Tithing has been before Moses, before David, before Jesus and definately before the RCC- Abraham was the first to practise it- Genesis 14:20  "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all". This is not denying the fact that various people across the generations have use tithing to advance their selfish causes.

chukwudi44:

This is what I beleive in

1. I believe in God the Father, Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth:

2. And in Jesus Christ, his only begotten Son, our Lord:

3. Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost, born of the Virgin Mary:

4. Suffered under Pontius Pilate; was crucified, dead and buried: He descended into hell:

5. The third day he rose again from the dead:

6. He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty:

7. From thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead:

8. I believe in the Holy Ghost:

9. I believe in the holy catholic church: the communion of saints:

10. The forgiveness of sins:

1l. The resurrection of the body:

12. And the life everlasting. Amen