So this question came up in my head while reading a thread here on religion forum. It's not news that some doctrines denies Jesus to be God unlike other popular doctrines. I've grown up with a confused ideology of Jesus being the son of God and being God himself. I didn't really question it untill recently.

firstly; in kjv of genesis, it clearly states God
alone created d world. but some doctrines says Jesus was with him when he created. soe sited john 1 vs 1 as evidence. (tho I think its error of self interpretation, but who am I to judge?)



secondly, it is stated in d bible that God acknowledged Jesus as his only begottentt son. some doctrine says Jesus was an ordinary angel who choose God's call to die for humanity nd was then exhaulted to become his son. my confusion? his birth has been predicted as far back as old testament. was Jesus really his son or an angel?y


this trinity thing how does it work? that z d aspect of Christianity I don't understand. are they three diff entities or....?

and my biggest confusion, as Christians, re wet worshiping God or Jesus Christ. in prayers and sermons, they ve mixed it soo much that I dont know the difference anymore. I knw Jesus z d way, d truth nd life....but what about God? re we not almost like catholics who refer Mary and saints more than Jesus just like we refert Jesus more than God?.
I call on all enlighted Christians to shed more light to these questions.

pls I need insightful and intelligent answers. your answers might touch more than one life and enlighten more souls than u know.




pls lalasticlala, (hope I spelt
it right) seun , nd other relevant mods, help push this to the front where it can get the much needed attention. thanks in advance












secondly,

Jesus Christ is Faulkin who actually lived millions of years back. The Jesus written inside the Bible is just an idea influenced by the god, Nymphidis(Jehovah), who was the father of Nymphidis.

Domino Reverad is the God who created the universe.

Jesus Christ never existed

otemanuduno:
Jesus Christ is Faulkin who actually lived millions of years back. The Jesus written inside the Bible is just an idea influenced by the god, Nymphidis(Jehovah), who was the father of Nymphidis.
Domino Reverad is the God who created the universe.

Bros, I beg you with ALL the gods in the world, give me some of that weed

hahn:
Jesus Christ never existed



Bros, I beg you with ALL the gods in the world, give me some of that weed

This is not a joking matter friend. Eartum gave me the revelation and I am carrying out his instructions with all my life. Eartum told me that Domino Reverad, the father of all gods, is the only God. He created the universe with a BIG BANG and made sons for himself. Among his sons are Nymphidis(Jehovah), Eartum, Chuku, Mars, Poseidon, Moloch and thousands of others.

Faulkin was the first child to be given birth to in the world(millions of years back). His story was what CHristians copy. It is influenced by the god of the Christian called JEHOVAH himself(the god who loved war to the core). You can check my signature and you will see the full doctrine there.

otemanuduno:


This is not a joking matter friend. Eartum gave me the revelation and I am carrying out his instructions with all my life. Eartum told me that Domino Reverad, the father of all gods, is the only God. He created the universe with a BIG BANG and made sons for himself. Among his sons are Nymphidis(Jehovah), Eartum, Chuku, Mars, Poseidon, Moloch and thousands of others.

Faulkin was the first child to be given birth to in the world(millions of years back). His story was what CHristians copy. It is influenced by the god of the Christian called JEHOVAH himself(the god who loved war to the core). You can check my signature and you will see the full doctrine there.

Guy, you do not even know the meaning of UFO

No thanks, I do not do coke

hahn:


Guy, you do not even know the meaning of UFO

No thanks, I do not do coke

Not at all... I didn't know until I asked yesternight from Eartum and he told me. Before I felt that it was Ufos, but Eartum told me now that it is U.F.Os and told me that they live in the Clumoid of Reverad and they are very much scientifically inclined, programmed by himself to teach technology.

otemanuduno:


Not at all... I didn't know until I asked yesternight from Eartum and he told me. Before I felt that it was Ufos, but Eartum told me now that it is U.F.Os and told me that they live in the Clumoid of Reverad and they are very much scientifically inclined, programmed by himself to teach technology.

pls , this is a thread for Christians not tormented souls (no offense nd plenty offense)
Tnks for your unfounded theories, kindly escort urself off this thread. thank you.

parrotchick:
pls , this is a thread for Christians not tormented souls (no offense nd plenty offense)
Tnks for your unfounded theories, kindly escort urself off this thread. thank you.

Okay let me contribute my quota to my former religion before I leave; Jesus(Faulkin) is the son of a god(Jehovah) whom Waldis his sister has predicted many millions of years back that he would want to make himself equal to the gods.

I will give you the source now:

Jasheb


CHAPTER THREE

1. Now did Waldis take me round the world of the hovering souls where she has been for years.

2. And she told me how her eyes were opened and how she saw all her own mistakes.

3. In her own very words, she said: my eyes got opened and the range of my vision was widened limitlessly.

4. And I saw at once all my life; my mistakes and the corrections of them all.

5. When Faulkin told me to caress his feet and his laps and his bare body with my long hair, I gave it no second thought.

6. My mistake was that I gave it no second thought.

7. When Faulkin told me the story of how he was my creator, I gave it no second thought.

8. Again, my mistake was that I gave it no second thought before accepting it.

9. I worshipped him until my death and my mistake in this also was that I gave it no second thought. I did not apply the spiritual part of my brain to decipher the truth.

9. Now Faulkin led me far away from my home and there when I was caught up in the fire, he fled from my sight.

10. And his promises to me were all gone in flames.

11. Did Faulkin not promise to die for me because of the love he has for me?

12. Did he not tell me that I shall live forever and not die?

13. But when death came, Faulkin himself fled.

14. Now I can tell what Faulkin shall choose to do in the future.

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15. I shall make my guess by his past behaviours. I shall make my guess now, O Jasheb!

16. Faulkin shall appear peaceful outwardly, but in the depth of his heart he shall be filled with indignation against the homos.

17. I see Faulkin as one who shall think himself equal as the sons of God.

18. He shall not get married but he shall be hoping to get married to both the male homos and the female homos which I guess shall exist many years from now.

19. I see Faulkin as a great conjuror because he has begun it while I was with him.

20. Then he turned stone to food and fed me, claiming that he was taught by Nymphidis his father. But the food did not hold my hunger for an hour.

21. Now my belief in this was also counted to me as a mistake, because I did not give it a second thought that Faulkin did not truly turn stones to bread.

22. But he played with my vision and perception as the sun played illusion on our eyes to make us see water where it is not.

23. The sun makes us see no stars up there in the day and deceived our eyes and brains to think that the moon is a light of its own at night.

24. Who is the greatest illusionist if not the sun itself? For it has deceived even all the sons of God to think that the moon is a light and not explorable. This is even counted to me as my mistake because I did not give it a second thought while I was on earth.

25. But whosoever shall explore it shall be faced with trials. For the people of Nymphidis shall not accept it.

26. Now I shall advise the world-to-come in this; when they shall feed on the bread of Faulkin and when they shall drink his wine, let them check if their hunger is satisfied for a space of an hour and if their thirst is quenched. If not, then these are also illusions.

27. And those that would believe it are those who are poor in the spirit (those who do not use the spiritual part of their brain).
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28. Now I asked Waldis to tell me more of what shall happen in the future and she said, I have made my guesses.

29. No one can tell the future as it would be exactly except Reverad.

30. Every living being, including the sons of God can only use the past happenings to predict the future, except Knoliud the knowledge of Reverad, who can give a divine prophecy that can never fail.

load of crap. load of crap.

parrotchick:
So this question came up in my head while reading a thread here on religion forum. It's not news that some doctrines denies Jesus to be God unlike other popular doctrines. I've grown up with a confused ideology of Jesus being the son of God and being God himself. I didn't really question it untill recently.

firstly; in kjv of genesis, it clearly states God
alone created d world. but some doctrines says Jesus was with him when he created. soe sited john 1 vs 1 as evidence. (tho I think its error of self interpretation, but who am I to judge?)



secondly, it is stated in d bible that God acknowledged Jesus as his only begottentt son. some doctrine says Jesus was an ordinary angel who choose God's call to die for humanity nd was then exhaulted to become his son. my confusion? his birth has been predicted as far back as old testament. was Jesus really his son or an angel?y


this trinity thing how does it work? that z d aspect of Christianity I don't understand. are they three diff entities or....?

and my biggest confusion, as Christians, re wet worshiping God or Jesus Christ. in prayers and sermons, they ve mixed it soo much that I dont know the difference anymore. I knw Jesus z d way, d truth nd life....but what about God? re we not almost like catholics who refer Mary and saints more than Jesus just like we refert Jesus more than God?.
I call on all enlighted Christians to shed more light to these questions.

pls I need insightful and intelligent answers. your answers might touch more than one life and enlighten more souls than u know.




pls lalasticlala, (hope I spelt
it right) seun , nd other relevant mods, help push this to the front where it can get the much needed attention. thanks in advance












secondly,

Read colossian chapter one to know who jesus really is. It was through Him (jesus/word) that God created the world. Jesus has two nature, fully God and Fully man, He was born at a specific point of time prove He is man, BUT in micah 5, the bible say His origin is UNKNOWN ( from ancient of days) .To know Jesus Christ is to know God (John 14:8-9). To see Jesus Christ is to see God: "he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9). Christ is the "image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15), "the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His Person" (Heb. 1:3).
"In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9). All men must honor the Son just as they honor the Father (John 5:23). We honor the Father as God, and we must honor the Son in the same way. The Son of God is not honored when His deity is denied.

Lemme sit down and listen......




Who knows, someone might just surprise me and not sprout bullsh!t

malvisguy212:
Read colossian chapter one to know who jesus really is. It was through Him (jesus/word) that God created the world. Jesus has two nature, fully God and Fully man, He was born at a specific point of time prove He is man, BUT in micah 5, the bible say His origin is UNKNOWN ( from ancient of days) .To know Jesus Christ is to know God (John 14:8-9). To see Jesus Christ is to see God: "he that hath seen Me hath seen the Fathe
r" (John 14:9). Christ is the "image of the invisible God" (Col. 1:15), "the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His Person" (Heb. 1:3).
"In Him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Col. 2:9). All men must honor the Son just as they honor the Father (John 5:23). We honor the Father as God, and we must honor the Son in the same way. The Son of God is not honored when His deity is denied.

so you are saying Jesus and God is d same, dat Jesus created d earth and all? so who was d voice that called Jesus his only son when he was being baptized? its still very confusing. how z Jesus d word? z he d one dat has the spiritual power that God used to create d earth? elaborate pls...

otemanuduno:


Not at all... I didn't know until I asked yesternight from Eartum and he told me. Before I felt that it was Ufos, but Eartum told me now that it is U.F.Os and told me that they live in the Clumoid of Reverad and they are very much scientifically inclined, programmed by himself to teach technology.

What is the full meaning of U.F.O?

hahn:


What is the full meaning of U.F.O?

Eartum said he called them Ultrasonic Friendly Organism but the Americans call it Unidentified Flying Objects.

parrotchick:
so you are saying Jesus and God is d same, dat Jesus created d earth and all? so who was d voice that called Jesus his only son when he was being baptized? its still very confusing. how z Jesus d word? z he d one dat has the spiritual power that God used to create d earth? elaborate pls...

christ is a man, it was God the son who incarnate in christ. God the father is in heaven together with the holy spirit, when the disciples ask jesus to teach them how to pray, how did jesus begin ? "OUR FATHER IN HEAVEN". So, God the father is in heaven, and it was the son who made His dwelling among us. Read this thread https://www.nairaland.com/2960660/tri-unity-god-work-salvation

Must a God come down to die before he can indeed save humanity. But then according to the athanasian creed "That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity, neither confounding the persons, nor dividing the substance.For there is one Person of the Father, another of the Son, and another of the Holy Spirit. But the godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one, the glory equal, the majesty co-eternal.Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal. And yet they are not three eternals, but one Eternal.As also there are not three incomprehensibles, nor three uncreated, but one Uncreated, and one Incomprehensible. So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Spirit Almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one Almighty.So the Father is God, the Son is God,and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three gods, but one God.So likewise the Father is Lord, the Son Lord, and the Holy Spirit Lord. And yet not three lords, but one Lord.For as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge eachPerson by Himself to be both God and Lord, so we are also forbidden by the catholic religion to say that there are three gods or three lords.The Father is made of none, neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone, not made, nor created, but begotten. The Holy Spirit is of the Father, neither made, nor created, nor begotten, but proceeding.So there is one Father, not three fathers; one Son, not three sons; oneHoly Spirit, not three holy spirits.And in the Trinity none is before or after another; none is greater or less than another, but all three Persons are co-eternal together and co-equal.So that in all things, as is aforesaid, the Unity in Trinity and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshipped."..... Yet jesu could not fathom the day of his coming. He cried like a baby on d cross.. Wait... .. Are u co-equal, co-existing as ur father even though u bear same name with him.

otemanuduno:


Eartum said he called them Ultrasonic Friendly Organism but the Americans call it Unidentified Flying Objects.

Wow! When will the holy book be published? I am cock sure it will be VERY interesting

hahn:


Wow! When will the holy book be published? I am cock sure it will be VERY interesting

It is not an holy book but the BOOK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS. You can go through it from my signature.

parrotchick:
So this question came up in my head while reading a thread here on religion forum. It's not news that some doctrines denies Jesus to be God unlike other popular doctrines. I've grown up with a confused ideology of Jesus being the son of God and being God himself. I didn't really question it untill recently.

firstly; in kjv of genesis, it clearly states God
alone created d world. but some doctrines says Jesus was with him when he created. soe sited john 1 vs 1 as evidence. (tho I think its error of self interpretation, but who am I to judge?)



secondly, it is stated in d bible that God acknowledged Jesus as his only begottentt son. some doctrine says Jesus was an ordinary angel who choose God's call to die for humanity nd was then exhaulted to become his son. my confusion? his birth has been predicted as far back as old testament. was Jesus really his son or an angel?y


this trinity thing how does it work? that z d aspect of Christianity I don't understand. are they three diff entities or....?

and my biggest confusion, as Christians, re wet worshiping God or Jesus Christ. in prayers and sermons, they ve mixed it soo much that I dont know the difference anymore. I knw Jesus z d way, d truth nd life....but what about God? re we not almost like catholics who refer Mary and saints more than Jesus just like we refert Jesus more than God?.
I call on all enlighted Christians to shed more light to these questions.

pls I need insightful and intelligent answers. your answers might touch more than one life and enlighten more souls than u know.




pls lalasticlala, (hope I spelt
it right) seun , nd other relevant mods, help push this to the front where it can get the much needed attention. thanks in advance












secondly,

Jesus is the SON of God and NOT the same person as God. Jesus is the reflection of the invisible God (col 1:15). The Holy Spirit on the other hand is the Living Power and Presence of the invisible God (Gen 1:2). You may see the Holy Spirit relative to God the way radiation/heat is relative to the Sun in our solar system. Jesus is second to God, God is overall (1 Cor 15:27). The taught doctrine of trinity which suggests that God the Father is the same person as Jesus Christ is not accurate because it is inconsistent with scripture. Scripture has referred to God as being Supreme and greater than even Jesus Christ as seen in 1 cor 15. Several other portions show that God and Jesus are two different beings even though they agree and have the same purpose. The purpose of Jesus Christ is to do the will of God which includes revealing the heart of God to man by the Power of the Holy Spirit (John 4:34). However, God has given Jesus His scepter to legislate/govern the affairs of the world on his behalf "all power is given unto me (Matthew 28:18)." When redemption is perfected, Jesus will handover the kingdom to God the Father. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God work together because they are of the same Spirit. They are one just as Jesus prayed the Father that the Church be one too. Jesus does only what He sees the Father do(John 5:19) and that is why He told Philip that if he had seen Him [Jesus], he had seen the Father [God](John 14:9-10). To understand this better, take a holistic view of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28...take note of the bolded.

Then the end will come, when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

For he [Jesus] must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him [Jesus], it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

When he has done this, then the Son himself [Jesus] will be made subject to him[God] who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

I was a strong advocate of the taught doctrine of Trinity that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were the same singular entity until i resolved to studying the bible for myself and living by its provisions

cc: BlackHummer

reading ...

AnalyticEngine:


Jesus is the SON of God and NOT the same person as God. Jesus is the reflection of the invisible God (col 1:15). The Holy Spirit on the other hand is the Living Power and Presence of the invisible God (Gen 1:2). You may see the Holy Spirit relative to God the way radiation/heat is relative to the Sun in our solar system. Jesus is second to God, God is overall (1 Cor 15:27). The taught doctrine of trinity which suggests that God the Father is the same person as Jesus Christ is not accurate because it is inconsistent with scripture. Scripture has referred to God as being Supreme and greater than even Jesus Christ as seen in 1 cor 15. Several other portions show that God and Jesus are two different beings even though they agree and have the same purpose. The purpose of Jesus Christ is to do the will of God which includes revealing the heart of God to man by the Power of the Holy Spirit (John 4:34). However, God has given Jesus His scepter to legislate/govern the affairs of the world on his behalf "all power is given unto me (Matthew 28:18)." When redemption is perfected, Jesus will handover the kingdom to God the Father. God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God work together because they are of the same Spirit. They are one just as Jesus prayed the Father that the Church be one too. Jesus does only what He sees the Father do(John 5:19) and that is why He told Philip that if he had seen Him [Jesus], he had seen the Father [God](John 14:9-10). To understand this better, take a holistic view of 1 Corinthians 15:24-28...take note of the bolded.

Then the end will come, when he [Jesus] hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.

For he [Jesus] must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.

The last enemy to be destroyed is death.

For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him [Jesus], it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

When he has done this, then the Son himself [Jesus] will be made subject to him[God] who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

I was a strong advocate of the taught doctrine of Trinity that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were the same singular entity until i resolved to studying the bible for myself and living by its provisions

cc: BlackHummer

Waiting for trinitarians to do justice to this from the same bible.. watching in 3-D

You will believe a silly writeup by a paranoid but not the most proven book in the history of mankind - the bible.

Fool of the first other

hahn:
Jesus Christ never existed



Bros, I beg you with ALL the gods in the world, give me some of that weed

Hold on I'll explain this later

parrotchick:
so you are saying Jesus and God is d same, dat Jesus created d earth and all? so who was d voice that called Jesus his only son when he was being baptized? its still very confusing. how z Jesus d word? z he d one dat has the spiritual power that God used to create d earth? elaborate pls...

Amberon11:
You will believe a silly writeup by a paranoid but not the most proven book in the history of mankind - the bible.

Fool of the first other

Lol. See the level of your thinking

A book that has talking snakes, a man walking on water, a god destroying the world twice because of sin but sin still exists, a god that is tribalistic and genocidal, that claims the earth is flat, that claims god said "let there be light" but never considered different time zones, a book that supports slavery, a book that plagiarized most of it's stories from other ancient myths is what you refer to as "most proven book in the history of mankind?

Apparently, you do not read

Jesus son of man and Son and Gene of the Holy Spirit. He became Christ and Son of God on the Cross. At Resurrection and Revelation, He is God. Always pray to get value and understanding before reading your Bible.

orunto27:
Jesus son of man and Son and Gene of the Holy Spirit. He became Christ and Son of God on the Cross. At Resurrection and Revelation, He is God. Always pray to get value and understanding before reading your Bible.

Gbam

It's quite funny that atheists reply to what does not concern them. I think some atheists are truly angry with God @ hahn. This kind of topic doesn't require an atheist to answer, yet you did. It shows you are just angry with God @ hahn. Anyways, Jesus is not God and will not be equal to God............. There is only one God. Any bible translation that supports the Trinity doctrine was actually translated from a corrupted bible manuscript. If you doubt me, you could check footnotes of some bibles like NIV

lordnicklaus:
It's quite funny that atheists reply to what does not concern them. I think some atheists are truly angry with God @ hahn. This kind of topic doesn't require an atheist to answer, yet you did. It shows you are just angry with God @ hahn. Anyways, Jesus is not God and will not be equal to God............. There is only one God. Any bible translation that supports the Trinity doctrine was actually translated from a corrupted bible manuscript. If you doubt me, you could check footnotes of some bibles like NIV

Lol. Actually ALL bible translations are false

@parrotchick. Thank you my dear Sister for sharing your doubts.

Now, i will state my position and elaborate on what the biblical concept of the Godhead is all about. First, there is nothing like Trinity in the Bible. It was a false doctrine forced into Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church, by Emperor Constantine in 350 A.D, as at when Rome was Ruling the World.
There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations, and with multiple titles.

The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Consequently, the fourth century meeting of the Nicene council (as at when rome, through emperor constatine,was ruling the world) was to place them under d trinitarian definitions. This concept ,through the power of Roman Catholic, church swept throughout the christian faith and has become so embedded in christianity to the extent that, to question its validity is immediate heresy.

The church today has lost the revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed himself in the old testament as the ''Father,'' -God above us', in the Gospels manifested as 'the Son', -God with us', and in the book of Acts-unto this age as ''The Holy Spirit,-''God in us''. Not three persons but one glorious personage, as wonderfully unveiled in Hebrews 13.

Now, my first take is that, THE JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAME JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Yes! God throughout the old testament did not have a body,but appear in different forms to the people, such as the 'burning bush' to Moses, the cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night. God being a spirit (John 4vs24) hath, before the foundation of the world, foreseen the fall of man by the transgression of Adam and Eve, and He required a perfect atonement, a sacrificial lamb, to redeem man from his fallen state, by the shedding of 'blood' (Hebrews 922). It takes blood to pay the penalty for sin yet, no man, no angel, no priest or animal, was found worthy to redeem man. Therefore, God, since there is no saviour beside Him (isaiah 43vs11, 3. Isaiah 45vs22. Hosea 13vs4,) must then do it Himself, in order to show that He is the only 'redeemer'.
But then God knew He, as God, could not die and bleed in d Spirit, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement, and for Him to fulfil his plan of salvation, He had to put on a veil of flesh, to taste death and pay d penalty for His own law to justify the ungodly.

God started to make d promise dat He would come down to save and restore mankind back to him. In Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, he said,

''your God will come (to this earth) to save you (the jews and as many more that would thereafter believe in Him,) and the eyes of d blind will be open, the deaf will hear, the lame will walk,and d dumb shall speak'...

all these were to happen when this Jehovah God (being the only Saviour) 'wil' come.

Now, did this promise came to pass? Yes, it did because God never lies or fail in His promises.

In John 1 vs 29, John (who never knew Jesus before but being guided by the spirit) testified by declaring Jesus as ''the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world''.. This mean that, by revelation, John knew who Jesus was and He subsequently baptized Him.
But it became interesting that this same John later in Mattew 11 vs 2, sent two of his desciples to ask Jesus,

''are you the One that is to come or are we to look for another?'.

Now (you may be wondering,) why did John asked that conflicting and confusing question when he had already bare record of Him (Jesus) as stated in John1 vs 29?
Well, the reply Jesus gave unto john's desciples in verses 4 and 5 of d same mattew 11, answers any such thoughts, and clearly fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, for...

''the lame walked,the blind saw, the deaft heard...''

What this meant is that, Jehovah actually came anf fulfilled His words and His plan of salvation as written in 1Timothy 3vs16.

Otherwise, when and where else was God (Jehovah) manifested in the flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman without any sexual act, but God Himself making both hemoglobin egg cells in d wonb of Mary, God Himself taking the nature of man. Jesus Christ was d flesh of God, none order than God Himself creating a body of His own. That Body was called ''the Son'', while d Spirit which is d original nature of God indwelling the Body, was the 'Father'. Not two Gods now, but God veiling Himself in FLESH. Thats the reason why Jesus was called ''Emmanuel'' meaning ''God with us'', God dwelling with men.

When d Father decided to come down as our saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in d womb of Mary. This seed was to produce d flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.
The name Jesus means 'Jehovah has become our saviour'.


So, Jesus isn't an Angel, but God himself.

Appleyard:
@parrotchick. Thank you my dear Sister for sharing your doubts.

Now, i will state my position and elaborate on what the biblical concept of the Godhead is all about. First, there is nothing like Trinity in the Bible. It was a false doctrine forced into Christianity by the Roman Catholic Church, by Emperor Constantine in 350 A.D, as at when Rome was Ruling the World.
There is only one God who manifested in three different dispensations, and with multiple titles.

The churches 'traditionally' believe 3 seperate or distinct persons in one God. This was as a result of d scriptural mentioning and deifying of d Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Consequently, the fourth century meeting of the Nicene council (as at when rome, through emperor constatine,was ruling the world) was to place them under d trinitarian definitions. This concept ,through the power of Roman Catholic, church swept throughout the christian faith and has become so embedded in christianity to the extent that, to question its validity is immediate heresy.

The church today has lost the revelation that the one God, Jehovah, expressed himself in the old testament as the ''Father,'' -God above us', in the Gospels manifested as 'the Son', -God with us', and in the book of Acts-unto this age as ''The Holy Spirit,-''God in us''. Not three persons but one glorious personage, as wonderfully unveiled in Hebrews 13.

Now, my first take is that, THE JEHOVAH OF THE OLD TESTAMENT IS THE SAME JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Yes! God throughout the old testament did not have a body,but appear in different forms to the people, such as the 'burning bush' to Moses, the cloud by day, and the pillar of fire by night. God being a spirit (John 4vs24) hath, before the foundation of the world, foreseen the fall of man by the transgression of Adam and Eve, and He required a perfect atonement, a sacrificial lamb, to redeem man from his fallen state, by the shedding of 'blood' (Hebrews 922). It takes blood to pay the penalty for sin yet, no man, no angel, no priest or animal, was found worthy to redeem man. Therefore, God, since there is no saviour beside Him (isaiah 43vs11, 3. Isaiah 45vs22. Hosea 13vs4,) must then do it Himself, in order to show that He is the only 'redeemer'.
But then God knew He, as God, could not die and bleed in d Spirit, for a spirit has no flesh and bones. His own law required blood for an atonement, and for Him to fulfil his plan of salvation, He had to put on a veil of flesh, to taste death and pay d penalty for His own law to justify the ungodly.

God started to make d promise dat He would come down to save and restore mankind back to him. In Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, he said,

''your God will come (to this earth) to save you (the jews and as many more that would thereafter believe in Him,) and the eyes of d blind will be open, the deaf will hear, the lame will walk,and d dumb shall speak'...

all these were to happen when this Jehovah God (being the only Saviour) 'wil' come.

Now, did this promise came to pass? Yes, it did because God never lies or fail in His promises.

In John 1 vs 29, John (who never knew Jesus before but being guided by the spirit) testified by declaring Jesus as ''the lamb of God which taketh away the sins of the world''.. This mean that, by revelation, John knew who Jesus was and He subsequently baptized Him.
But it became interesting that this same John later in Mattew 11 vs 2, sent two of his desciples to ask Jesus,

''are you the One that is to come or are we to look for another?'.

Now (you may be wondering,) why did John asked that conflicting and confusing question when he had already bare record of Him (Jesus) as stated in John1 vs 29?
Well, the reply Jesus gave unto john's desciples in verses 4 and 5 of d same mattew 11, answers any such thoughts, and clearly fulfilled the promise in Isaiah 35 vs 3-6, for...

''the lame walked,the blind saw, the deaft heard...''

What this meant is that, Jehovah actually came anf fulfilled His words and His plan of salvation as written in 1Timothy 3vs16.

Otherwise, when and where else was God (Jehovah) manifested in the flesh? It was when Jesus Christ was born through a woman without any sexual act, but God Himself making both hemoglobin egg cells in d wonb of Mary, God Himself taking the nature of man. Jesus Christ was d flesh of God, none order than God Himself creating a body of His own. That Body was called ''the Son'', while d Spirit which is d original nature of God indwelling the Body, was the 'Father'. Not two Gods now, but God veiling Himself in FLESH. Thats the reason why Jesus was called ''Emmanuel'' meaning ''God with us'', God dwelling with men.

When d Father decided to come down as our saviour, He put on a robe of flesh and planted Himself, as a seed, in d womb of Mary. This seed was to produce d flesh and blood of the Body He would dwell in as the Son, Jesus Christ.
The name Jesus means 'Jehovah has become our saviour'.


So, Jesus isn't an Angel, but God himself.

"God love the world...sent his only begotten son". john 3:16. how can the one sent be the sender? how can the son be the Father at the same time?

"I am doing just as the Father has COMMANDED me to do" John 14:30. Who could ever give someone a command other than his superior?

verse 31 says the father is GREATER then I am. the Father being created than himself? reasonable?

parrotchick:
So this question came up in my head while reading a thread here on religion forum. It's not news that some doctrines denies Jesus to be God unlike other popular doctrines. I've grown up with a confused ideology of Jesus being the son of God and being God himself. I didn't really question it untill recently.

firstly; in kjv of genesis, it clearly states God
alone created d world. but some doctrines says Jesus was with him when he created. soe sited john 1 vs 1 as evidence. (tho I think its error of self interpretation, but who am I to judge?)



secondly, it is stated in d bible that God acknowledged Jesus as his only begottentt son. some doctrine says Jesus was an ordinary angel who choose God's call to die for humanity nd was then exhaulted to become his son. my confusion? his birth has been predicted as far back as old testament. was Jesus really his son or an angel?y


this trinity thing how does it work? that z d aspect of Christianity I don't understand. are they three diff entities or....?

and my biggest confusion, as Christians, re wet worshiping God or Jesus Christ. in prayers and sermons, they ve mixed it soo much that I dont know the difference anymore. I knw Jesus z d way, d truth nd life....but what about God? re we not almost like catholics who refer Mary and saints more than Jesus just like we refert Jesus more than God?.
I call on all enlighted Christians to shed more light to these questions.

pls I need insightful and intelligent answers. your answers might touch more than one life and enlighten more souls than u know.




pls lalasticlala, (hope I spelt
it right) seun , nd other relevant mods, help push this to the front where it can get the much needed attention. thanks in advance












secondly,

You can send me a mail if u have any question about the true nature of God.

JMAN05:


"God love the world...sent his only begotten son". john 3:16. how can the one sent be the sender? how can the son be the Father at the same time?

"I am doing just as the Father has COMMANDED me to do" John 14:30. Who could ever give someone a command other than his superior?

verse 31 says the father is GREATER then I am. the Father being created than himself? reasonable?

The first thing that should come to your mind is, who is Jesus? Where did He emanate from? Once you are able to solve this, then you would be able to understand the Father, and why He was always refering to Him

Lets go!

In the begining, God made man, extablished him and gave him dominion over all things. But along the Line, man fell and lost the title deed of the world unto Satan. God, for Him to redeem man back to himself, demands blood, by His own law, to redeem man back to himself again. And since the blood of animals or no angels in Heaven or anyone on earth can't do it, He had to look for a way out. He had to pay the price for his own law.

Now, God is a Spirit, and since a spirit can not bleed nor die, he must look for a body that must bear the brunt of the penalty for sin. A body He have to creat by Himself. THEN THE PROMISE BEGAN!

In isaiah 35vs 3-5, He, God Almighty, promised to come and save his people (salvation,) and when He shall come, the blind will see, the lame will walk, the deaf will hear, and so on.

Now, in Matt.11vs2-6, Jesus replied the desciples sent by John that they should go back and informed him of the things that they have seen-- ''the blinds now see, the deaf now hear, the lame now walk, and so on..''(as promised in Isaiah 35vs3-5.)

Now, how is Jesus the one now fulfilling this scriptures? Wasn't it suppose to be THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE JEWS USE TO KNOW? Why is it that it is a son of a capenter now fulfilling the promise? Is'nt it strange? No wonder they asked, ''can anything good come out of Nazareth? For the way they were expecting it, it didnt turn out to be so. For God's ways are not our way. So, who is this Jesus?

Now, in John 1vs1, we are told that in the BEGINING (back to Genesis) WAS THE WORD,' (hey! What was the Word doing then? Shortly pls,) AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD' (hold it right there! Who is this God;?) AND THE WORD WAS GOD!
WOW!

Now, lets see. In Genesis 1vs2, the Spirit of God was walking upon the void and formless earth (water). That is, God is a Spirit, and the term 'God' is an object of worship. And in vs3 down, the creation started. How? In vs2, He God was IN THOUGHT ON WHAT TO DO about the earth. Then He started doing it in vs3 by SPEAKING OUT, and things started to take place.
What does it mean? The word that you speak is a THOUGHT in You first, and is only when you SPEAK IT OUT IT BECOMES A WORD.
Thus, John1vs1, was saying that, the Word he(John) was talking about, HAS BEEN ACTIVE FROM THE VERY BEGINING. And this Word has been with God (that same Spirit Being) as A THOUGHT, and The Word was God, because your thought are not different from who you are, and so, this Word of God Became Flesh and dwelt among us! Also confirming the creativity in vs3.
That is the very foundation of your saviour, Jesus Christ.

Now, that Spirit Being Back there in Genesis, became known as the Father when He step into time and created all things by the SPOKEN WORD (Jesus), except man, who was formed directly from the Earth. The only man formed directly by the Spoken Word that became Flesh is Jesus, (for all other flesh are of earthly product through the sexual interactions of the sperm and ovum characteristics).
This Spoken Word-that became Flesh-Jesus, now became 'the only begotten' of the 'Father-THE ORIGINAL SOURCE.' Hence, since the Word emanated from that Spirit Being, who is now The Father, it is normal that the Word(Jesus) must refer back to its originator (the Spirit Father-source), because YOUR WORD CAN NOT BE EXALTED MORE ABOVE YOU, THE SOURCE, AND AT THE SAME TIME, IT CAN NOT BE SEPERATED FROM YOU. The Flesh can not take preeminent above the Spirit. That is why Jesus was always refering back to the source it actually came
from. Otherwise, the Word-Flesh belong to the Spirit Being, and the Spirit Being is the ONE acting in the Word-Flesh. One entity all the time, not Two. And that was Jesus told Philip, ''he that have seen me, have seen the Father.'' In other words, He is the Father. But for the sole purpose of Salvation, being in flesh as a man, he shows humility and laid the examples for all men to follow - remembering God (the Spirit) as the prime ultimate above all men (flesh). And He was a man (flesh).

Or do you wana say, Jesus is a seperate being entirely from God and the Holy Ghost? If so, answer this: how Many fathers can someone have? Luke 1vs35, He is called the Son Of God. Matt.1vs18, the Holy Ghost is His Father. So Jesus Have two fathers? God forbid. Its one person all the time, manifesting here and there. For God is Omnipresent!