EgunMogaji:
I can even understand the illiterates that say that, it's their lack of education.

The ones that I have a problem with are the Nigerians that live in America and are considering themselves as educated but who stoop to that level to score cheap points on Nairaland.

Some brain dead asshat on here accused me of being a mortuary attendant

Are mortuary attendants not human beings? And isn't it a mortuary attendant that will attend to all of them when they pass on?

A mortuary attendant in the US makes an equivalent of N13,000,000 annually BTW.

bros abeg link me na, is better to wash any washable in US than dis hell fire call nigeria we dey, abeg na. US is where wat u hustle pay for u but here in naija lie lie

In my own ofinion .... work Na work since at the end income comes knocking.....

One thing for sure now in these western world is everything is planned and organized, i actually have close contact with people that have washed dead body, sweep trains and so on for more than 20 years in d uk and us. My point? Nothing, just my own real life knows

InvertedHammer:

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You are a liar!

CNA is not a prerequisite to PA.

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It's appalling how gullible many people are. Check the requirement for pa admission under direct patient care experience on any pa program websites. Hope you won't come back to ask where is cna. CNA is the same name for nursing assistant/nursing aide.

Additional Requirements for Applicants:

Possess a Bachelor’s Degree from an accredited college or university.
Earn a minimum cumulative undergraduate grade point average of 3.0.
Earn a minimum cumulative graduate grade point average of 3.0 (if applicable).
Earn a math and science pre-requisite grade point average of at least 3.0.
A “C” or higher must be obtained in all prerequisite courses.
Grades from all non-remedial courses completed post-high school are used to calculate the grade point averages (non-remedial courses are courses numbered 100 or higher).
Prior to consideration of an application, all but two of the math and science prerequisites must be completed with a grade posted on the official transcript(s).
At least 500 direct patient contact hours from, but not limited to the following:
nursing
medical assistant
respiratory therapy
medic, corpsman
occupational therapy
occupational therapy assistant
physical therapy
physical therapy assistant
EMS/paramedic
nursing assistant
surgical or ER tech
athletic trainer
counselor in health care setting
dental hygienist or assistant
medical scribe
veterinary technician
All foreign transcripts must be evaluated by WES.
A minimum TOEFL score of 26 in each section (if applicable).
Complete a personal statement with the application.
Submit 3 letters of recommendation, one of which must be from a PA, MD, or DO.
Complete the Sullivan University Physician Assistant Program interview process (by invitation only).
Agree to and pass the criminal background check (no more than 45 days prior to the start of classes).
Submit the following healthcare documentation prior to the start of the Physician Assistant Program:
A physical examination (within three months prior to matriculation).
Evidence of immunity to measles, mumps, rubella (MMR); varicella; tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis (Tdap); hepatitis B, all according to CDC guidelines.
Evidence of an annual flu vaccine, according to CDC guidelines.
An annual PPD or chest x-ray or clearance from a medical provider for applicants who could not receive a PPD.
Evidence of health insurance.

http://sullivan.edu/prerequisites/

So, who is out of his mind between you and I?

imperiouxx:


It's obvious you jumped into my post without any proper analysis. I'm a PA student (MPA). And YES, CNA is one of the many prerequisites to become a PA. By stepping stone I mean a step to get healthcare/direct patient care experience needed to get into the PA graduate program. Get your fact right Mr. Search google and check all PA programs before you come back to argue with me.

I don't care what you want to say facts are facts, I trained a student to become a PA , for some reasons unable to go to med school, not because of MCAT scores.

nijanigga:

I don't care what you want to say facts are facts, I trained a student to become a PA , for some reasons unable to go to med school, not because of MCAT scores.

Then stop arguing with me since you don't know the facts or don't care to know. Afterall I don't know you or care about you before posting my polite comment.

imperiouxx:


It's appalling how gullible many people are. Check the requirement for pa admission under direct patient care experience on any pa program websites. Hope you won't come back to ask where is cna. CNA is the same name for nursing assistant/nursing aide.
http://sullivan.edu/prerequisites/
So, who is out of his mind between you and I?

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At least 500 direct patient contact hours from, but not limited to the following:

The bold phrase is the prerequisite.
Being a CNA will certify this but not in itself absolute.
In other words, you don't need to be a CNA to be a PA (which by the way is just there)

imperiouxx:
What's the lies? CNA part of prereqs to become a PA or PA making about $100,000 yearly? And do you think a PA is in the same category with your registered BSN nurse sister? Better keep quiet if you don't know what you're saying. Your sister is far below a PA and your sister can't even look at a PA in the eyes when he's instructing her. And an experienced PA gets up to $120,000 per year in NYC (other places even more). This far above what your sister can make.

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At the end of the year, a BSN employee should make more money than a PA because nurses can do overtime and be able to work other jobs.
PA is an employee in a hospital (rarely), clinics and offices doing 8hrs shifts only to get full time (40hrs/week). The same as Nurse Practitioners. Both professions get no respect from bedside nurses who would rather deal with the doctors. This is the first time that I am hearing that PA is a glorified profession. No one else takes notice even in the medical profession. If you want to talk about nurse anaesthetics, then you may get my attention.

By the way $120k/years in NY is not a lot of money.
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DIFY20:
is it not human being that wash it in nigeria

Yes, but the people washing dead bodies in Nigeria are NOT university graduates. They are usually old, semi-educated mortuary attendants. This is the point most of you are missing. Some Nigerian mortuary attendants in the West are masters degree holders in Nigeria. One might be earning Dollars, Euros or Pounds in the west, but Nigerians doing such jobs have zero job satisfaction and are mostly frustrated. Same goes for Cleaners and street sweepers.

The 'Myth' about washing dead bodies came about because the people who do it in the West would rather die than do it in Nigeria. We have to be honest to ourselves. It's not the job itself, but the fact the you have to stoop so low to do that in a Western country after all your dreams. Dead bodies are being washed daily in Nigeria by happy mortuary attendants.

InvertedHammer:

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This is the prerequisite.

Being a CNA will certify this but not in itself absolute.

[s]In other words, you don't need to be a CNA to be a PA (which by the way is just there)[/s].

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At this point, your arguement is baseless and it makes no single sense to me. There are many ways to get the HCE/PCE, of which cna is among. The bold statement is the prereq, you must be joking. Mr. the prereq is pce/hce, how you get it from any of those listed paths is none of the school business. So you can become a CNA to be a PA. I can give you our US pre-pa group on Facebook to see what students go to become before joining the pa program. I know the term cna is associated with under paid job but students also become cna to get hce/pce to go to pa schools. This was my point which you rudely disputed, probably out of ignorance. I don't know why people on this nairaland think someone will come here to lie when themselves are not knowledgeable.

imperiouxx:


At this point, your arguement is baseless and it makes no single sense to me. There are many ways to get the HCE/PCE, of which cna is among. So you can become a CNA to be a PA. I can give you our US pre-pa group on Facebook to see what students go to become before joining the pa program. This was my point which you rudely disputed, probably out of ignorance. I don't know why people on this nairaland think someone will come here to lie when themselves are not knowledgeable.

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But do you agree that one can be a PA without being a CNA?

So being a CNA is not a prerequisite to PA. Unless you don't understand the meaning of prerequisite.
The prerequisite is: 500 direct patients contact hours.
Eg. English 101 is a prerequisite to English 102. In other words, you cannot take English 102 unless you take and pass English 101.


pre·req·ui·site

1.
a thing that is required as a prior condition for something else to happen or exist.

PA is no big deal to warrant this unnecessary argument. It is just there. If you are in school to be a PA, you will see when you graduate that
the respect is not there. Some patients will refuse to be seen by a PA unless Medicare patients with no option(s). No PA will attend to any of my family members. That's all.

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InvertedHammer:

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But do you agree that one can be a PA without being a CNA?

So being a CNA is not a prerequisite to PA. Unless you don't understand the meaning of prerequisite.
The prerequisite is: 500 direct patients contact hours.
Eg. English 101 is a prerequisite to English 102. In other words, you cannot take English 102 unless you take and pass English 101.


pre·req·ui·site

1.
a thing that is required as a prior condition for something else to happen or exist.

PA is no big deal to warrant this unnecessary argument. It is just there.

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Did you read my initial comment you? You're the one that needsays to agree with me. I said cna is one of the prereqs to become a PA. I didn't say it's the only prereq to become a PA. And stop quoting English dictionary, let those in the field tell you what it's. For a medical school admission, your pce or shadow fails into your prerequisite which you must have before you're admitted. And cna is one of the fastest ways to get it.

imperiouxx:


Did you read my initial comment you? You're the one that needsays to agree with me. I said cna is one of the prereqs to become a PA. I didn't say it's the only prereq to become a PA

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PA prerequisite: 500 direct patients contact hours

A CNA with experience satisfies this requirement. But CNA is not one of the prerequisites.
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InvertedHammer:

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PA prerequisite: 500 direct patients contact hours

A CNA with experience satisfies this requirement.
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Yes. How you get your 500 hours is none of the schools business in as much you choose from their list. For this particular school pce is 500 hours being a private school, there are many other schools that require between 1000 to 2000 hours.

imperiouxx:


Yes. For this particular school pce is 500 hours being a private school, there are many other schools that require between 1000 to 2000 hours.

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The point is that they require x amount of direct patients contact hours.

It does not matter how you get it. When you said that CNA is one of the prerequisites, it means that to get to PA you must
go through CNA. But that's not the case. Do you catch my drift? You just misinformed the public.
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InvertedHammer:

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PA is no big deal to warrant this unnecessary argument. It is just there. If you are in school to be a PA, you will see when you graduate that
the respect is not there. Some patients will refuse to be seen by a PA unless Medicare patients with no option(s). No PA will attend to any of my family members. That's all.

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I just saw this part. If you've ever sent any of your family to the ER or a specialist office, you dont know how many times PAs have helped save their lives? Talking about no respect, it shows you don't know about the roles of a pa in a medical team. Bye.

InvertedHammer:

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The point is that they require x amount of direct patients contact hours.

It does not matter how you get it. When you said that CNA is one of the prerequisites, it means that to get to PA you must
go through CNA. But that's not the case. Do you catch my drift? You just misinformed the public.
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From my (a student) standpoint, that was not misinformation. Academically, to prove an idea wrong and start tagging someone as a liar, you need to have the facts with you first.

DIFY20:
is it not human being that wash it in nigeria

no,na engine dey wash am

imperiouxx:


I just saw this part. If you've ever sent any of your family to the ER or a specialist office, you dont know how many times PAs have helped save their lives? Talking about no respect, it shows you don't know about the roles of a pa in a medical team. Bye.

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Everyone plays a role. From housekeepers, security guards to medical professionals.
A PA cannot run a code. PAs do not do major invasive procedures. They are assistants for crying out loud.
They work under the auspices and supervision of a physician although their roles are expanding in mostly low
population density states. And when they write prescriptions, it must be signed off by a physician. When you
graduate, you will notice that some nurses will be calling your orders bluff. They may need clarification from
your supervising physician first.

It is a noble profession. But don't make PA what it is not. It is a medical profession like Nursing and Therapists. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can detect your condescending attitude towards nurses already. Everyone should stay in their lanes. That is the exact problem I have with
nurses too.

PA == Physician Assistants.

What will happen if you are a physician? Walk on the moon?
LOL.
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And what the people who believe this myth do not realise is that white folks do this kinda jobs too not just Africans. Infact some Africans/nigerians are Employers of white people too. And even holds prestigious well paid jobs in the US and England. Atleast in America you get running water through your tap and uninterupted constant electricity, functionning and well established hospitals you do not need a police report before getting treatment . Nigeria is a hell hole.

InvertedHammer:

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[s]Everyone plays a role. From housekeepers, security guards to medical professionals.
A PA cannot run a code. PAs do not do major invasive procedures. They are assistants for crying out loud.
They work under the auspices and supervision of a physician although their roles are expanding in mostly low
population density states. And when they write prescriptions, it must be signed off by a physician. When you
graduate, you will notice that some nurses will be calling your orders bluff. They may need clarification from
your supervising physician first.

It is a noble profession. But don't make PA what it is not. It is a medical profession like Nursing and Therapists. Nothing more, nothing less.
I can detect your condescending attitude towards nurses already. Everyone should stay in their lanes. That is the exact problem I have with
nurses too.

PA == Physician Assistants.

What will happen if you are a physician? Walk on the moon?
LOL[/s].
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All that makes no sense. I don't see where I made the profession to be more than what it's. Only told you to be polite with other opinions before calling names. Simple. What I feel about the career after school is not your business, you're not talking to a kid. And to think being a physician can make people feel on top of the world...... ride on.

I am in USA, I don't need to read any article.... I know what people go through here..... Plus the "myth" wasn't about Nigerians in USA but UK

Usually it's Nigerians in Nigeria that know more about what's going on in overseas countries than those who actually live there.

justicejay:
Ok nice lecture.
But to the rest of 80% naija jobless overseas and hiding from police, tell them to come home. Thou home is not easy too, but I tell you, we will surly survive this. And mind you, its likely Trumps win the next election and that dick headed guy has blown some hots about the blacks that its not even sure that you whey dey give this lecture no go come back home in next 2-3yrs.

miss information, police got nothing to do with immigration.Buy yourself some brain.

Damn , the health care industry is more lucrative than science, engineering , i.c.t e.t.c. its like its time to go back to med school.

cococandy:
Usually it's Nigerians in Nigeria that know more about what's going on in overseas countries than those who actually live there.

Nailed it!

Beehshorp:
My brothers and sisters.. Make una stop dis no job excuse nd bad nation misyarn.. US is not meant for everybody.. If e no favor u come back home.. Its better u fry akara here dan wash dead bodies in a foreign land.. #myopinion

did you even read the article at all

nijanigga:

miss information, police got nothing to do with immigration.Buy yourself some brain.

That's completely inaccurate. At least in the US.

Beehshorp:
My brothers and sisters.. Make una stop dis no job excuse nd bad nation misyarn.. US is not meant for everybody.. If e no favor u come back home.. Its better u fry akara here dan wash dead bodies in a foreign land.. #myopinion

Na robot abi na computer dey wash dead body for 9ja?

Chinom:



Yes, but the people washing dead bodies in Nigeria are NOT university graduates. They are usually old, semi-educated mortuary attendants. This is the point most of you are missing. Some Nigerian mortuary attendants in the West are masters degree holders in Nigeria. One might be earning Dollars, Euros or Pounds in the west, but Nigerians doing such jobs have zero job satisfaction and are mostly frustrated. Same goes for Cleaners and street sweepers.

The 'Myth' about washing dead bodies came about because the people who do it in the West would rather die than do it in Nigeria. We have to be honest to ourselves. It's not the job itself, but the fact the you have to stoop so low to do that in a Western country after all your dreams. Dead bodies are being washed daily in Nigeria by happy mortuary attendants.

Lol @Chinon.....
Whatever pays the bills is what you will do. Forget that story You are telling of them dying than doing it here.
Is the pay the same as it is in Nigeria?