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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 3:44pm On Jun 07, 2016
wiegraf:


The sun from space

Not really relevant per say, not even important actually, but just want to point out it appears yellow to us on the rock because of effects it has on the atmosphere due to its proximity.From space, right from outside our atmosphere, it's just a great ball of white like all the other stars in the night sky

Reason I highlight this? To bring home the fact that it's just another star. Nothing special. People seem to forget that, or it doesn't really register with them.

All the phenomena you describe here, from the formation of plantets to that of asteroid belts and more, will be occuring (plus or minus other phenomena) on most of those little little lights you see at night, plus some

Plus trillions more, actually

But no, some would like to suggest that ours is the special star. The only one capable various little things. And all the others were created just so we could marvel at how great god is, and just how special we are


Man, I dey see double...may come back and edit/clearify when sober.....

Welcome on board my boss wiagraf.

It is expected for us to see Earth and the sun as special in my opinion, Value is subjective to distinct minds.

To a chimpanzee a banana is more special than gold but to a human a gold is far more special.

Value is subjective to the mind that conceives it which is always directly related to the role or effect of the 'subject of value' to the individual perceiving it.

We are earthlings, the sun is our source of life, these two has an effect on us no other celestial object has so surely they must be special to us

So i find it expected people trail such line of thought, being chauvinistic about our host star and parent planet.

But in a general Natural scale the truth remains whether you hold something more special than the other - There is no V.I.P seat in nature

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 4:42pm On Jun 07, 2016
dblackninja dorox JackBizzle ... You all are welcome to the concert for the 'songs of the world'
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by dblackninja: 5:46pm On Jun 07, 2016
Wow seems like a nice input. Let me ingest and digest first cool
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by theoneJabulani(m): 5:41am On Jun 08, 2016
give that man a round of applause
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 12:01am On Jun 10, 2016
Hello guys i'm sorry i have not been able to update for 2 days now, work and nepa combined is a recipe for a phoneless existence..

Anyway i will certainly update today

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 12:57am On Jun 10, 2016
GROWING MAN

Man had conquered fire, man had peeked directly into the sky, wondered the flickering amber and his thoughts had raged on and all he saw was divine.

The Gods were born and the mind of man became intrinsically attached to them.

The discovery of fire also would more importantly redefine the method of man's diet which was then no more than the raw ingestion of flesh like every other wild beast does.

This probably might be accidental or experimental though i will in this work stress on the experimental aspect.

-It must have been another evening of rest after a hard day of hunting and gathering, i can vividly imagine a man sitting in front of the burning cracking fire eating away the little twigs and woods he had set for it, he himself also having a go at his simple meal of raw meat and fruits.

he could ask "the fire eats the dry twigs and woods while i eat the fleshy meat and fruits, what if i feed my meal to the fire could it also eat them?"

in that curious question he'd embark on a simple experiment having basically in abundance the necessarily tools and specimen.

He would place one of his vegetables in the fire and it would burn in no time, charred and ashed like just any fuel in the fire, he then with growing excitement of having shared one of his meals with the fire could then try feeding the flesh to the fire.

It would not burn as fast as the vegetable did, the flesh as he looked would become more and more different, he'd first hand and for the first time watch a transition of flesh from the reddish raw look to the brownish oily look buttered in small grey areas of charred black.

He would curiously poke it with a stick observing the tenderness, retrieve it from the fire and observed it even more closely again, the freshly roasted meat would burn his finger when he first touched it but he would try again with time as the soothing sway of the cool breeze or cold atmosphere slowly diminished the hotness.

Then in one bite of curiosity he could tell outrightly the difference between his normal raw meal and this one he just retrieved before the fire ate it all.

The former surely tasted bloody had a hard fiber-like texture and always was cold, this was much more tender -having being eaten first by the fire he'd think, this was easier to eat and was warm inducing a warm feel in his uncaring cold environment.

A remarkable choice on how to take his meals have emerged, there is no need telling which he chose

A new phase of man's evolution would then commence, a revolution of man's way of living, culture was about to emerge and languages would develop.

It must have started from two or more packs (families) caught in a drift-like grasp of migratory consequence, bound by fate to meet, carried in the wind of unexpected chance but on an occasion that could have been no less surprising two packs of little societies (families) would meet.

This would trigger a humbling thought

-We are not in the world the only ones that are..

The world for man would become larger, he would realize that it was large enough to contain much more of his kind.

This contact of distinct families slowly assimilating into a more complex societal order must then be the birth of language, societal norms, farming, politics, organized religion, improved art and finances.

there will be need to communicate, the human language would move from the basic gesture of the limbs and other body movements to become rather more intrinsically dependent on sounds from whence the vocal cord plays a vital role.

It must have been from a very simple sound, what we could now describe as a one vowel sound noise, clicking from whence this evolution of language would commence.

A little idea of how this would look can be derived in a little sense by studying the bushmen of the Kalahari, one of the few societies on earth we could still describe as starkly primitive.

the bushmen society is one marked with unparalleled simplicity, innocence and the water free-like mind of the early men, shielded for too long from the encroaching hands of civilization that thrives all around it - in Botswana , south Africa.

Even though the eyes of the world has been opened to their existence and civilization is slowly dripping into their society, it would still take decades if not up to a century to be fully incorporated into the very fabrics of their culture.

By studying these bushmen, their language in this case. it is mostly comprised of clicking sounds.
Derived by sticking the tip of the tongue against the roof of the mouth. this highly strange method of speech and communication boasts of a wide range of vocabularies and expressions.

_The early languages developing from this simple audible expressions would start off from simple basic audio expressions replacing equivalent gestures and body languages.

The more the society grew in number and the societal interactions became more complex the more language evolved into more wider vocabularies and intense expressions.

These simple folks who would mark what in the timeline of human history what we now know as the Neolithic revolution can be said redefined the human society and placed it on the track we find it today.

From a simple life of hunting in the wilds and gathering wild edible plants for consumption.
The society ever growing larger from reproduction this time would ever up the demand for food and the ventures for hunts and grub gatherings would become harder and would take longer ventures into the wilds.

near foods and games to hunt would diminish as more hunts and gatherings are being carried out by the now more complex societal bud.

The harder the venture for food and games became the more man had to think of a way out, if he kept going farther and farther away as the foods within his reach diminished he'd sooner or later need to pack up migrate and head to some place with more food and the whole process would repeat itself again and there will yet again arise a need to move.

"But what if we get these games alive and not kill them then keep them locked close to our dwellings so there could be available to us when we need food?"

It must have been a better option, rather than go to the wilds, kill the games and bring back food which soon finishes and the need to go back to the wilds arises, it sounded better to go to the wilds grab as much of these beasts as we can, bring them back to the settlement and keep them locked in, taking them one after the other when we need food.

and thus domestication of animals was born in essence Farming had begun.

I speculate domestication of plants would have followed similar line of reason and solution ideas, instead of having to walk 10miles to pick a wild vine why not uproot the whole vine and put it back into the ground near our home.

Or yet still this might most likely also be accidental, throwing out an already eaten fruit or rotten piece of grub only to find out sometimes later that it was germinating and growing into a distinct plant of it's own.

This domestication have come long enough that it has also contributed immensely to the evolution of these plants, in a severe weather that was unfavourable for some plants to thrive the plants under human care would artificially be provided conducive environment to thrive when others withered.

And thus when the cruel hands of devastating natural effects made the rest perish, the domesticated plants would continue -Artificial selection.

All the domesticated plants you have today are drastically so different from the original wild bunch that you cannot reconcile both.

Wild bananas are much smaller, harder and had lots of seeds, apples would be less tastier and smaller.

the domestication of plants and animals, the birth of human farming had tremendous effect on the new growing society, the songs were getting broader and the instruments better and man's society more complex yet ever accommodating to new things.

Man controlled the animals within his reach he paved a door way to other values that would prove important to his life hewn directly from the animals he herded.

-hides and skins
-manure for soil conditioning
-wool
-milk
-traction

Are now forever within his grasp, his clothing would become more extravagant, would now include more materials and his meals would now involve more options, food slowly evolving from the basic use of survival to a more intrinsic use of both survival and entertainment.

Continued....

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 9:15pm On Jun 10, 2016
GROWING MAN continued.. (Politics and religion)


Politics and religion are all offshoots of the ever growing society, there is need for order in a system of distinct individuals coming together as one societal lump, different individuals of different migratory origins must live together and the societal order must be maintained for the continuity of the society and the well being of the units found within.

The Mesopotamian Gilgamesh epic narrates a passage in the second tablet of the epic, a profound poem that captures eloquently the developing morphing society of the new human world.
Captures though in some sense as most ancient myths, epics and legends go even though with a pinch of unresolved historicity the evolutionary transformation of a political era.

Enkidu was bred and born in the wild, grown amongst the beast of the wilds, ate and behaved like these wild beasts who were like close kin to him.

shamhat a woman captured in the epic with the representation of a seductress, introduced through her whim the beast-like Enkidu to human food, to new humans of herding men from whence Enkidu got his first taste of human interaction, civilization and tuned in a little the human part of his nature.

He was informed of the hard ruling strong king of Uruk [Gilgamesh was the strongest man in Uruk and so naturally lead the entire city]
Enkidu was infuriated by the stories of Gilgamesh's dealings with the women and girls of the city and ventures to the city resolved firmly to be the liberator of the people from the strong gilgamesh…

Having engaged Gilgamesh in an epic fight of smattering magnanimous like, he finally gave in and accepted the superior power and strength of Gilgamesh who maintained his right to rule but strangely out of respect to his opponent's strength and will [toughest he ever saw] sparked up an amber of friendship between the two men"

Epic of Gilgamesh


This story captures the early stages of human politics in a literal sense, power to rule rested sorely on strength and ability to subdue and subject others to your leadership but most times also are acts of collective conformity from these people who in a basic sense would find a shield in a leader stronger than anyone else so projects strength and protection for such a community.

More still the story can be given an allegorical meaning [of books] Enkidu this time given the representation of early man who evolved and grew among other beasts of the fields in the wilds as close kin and neighbours.

Seduced through the skimming wiles of curiosity into a more detached being from his kins [beasts of the field] became civilized and evolved to what may be represented civilized man.

More look at other ancient societies could also throw a light on the development of politics as it evolved from basic enforcement and paddling strokes of a society to a more intrinsic and deceptive tool it is today.

Example of such a world can be found in the ancient igbo society…
A world where your achievements speaks for you, your deeds raises your dusts, places you amongst the ruling class and elites.

no wonder an Igbo adage says Nwata kwocha aka osoro okenye rie nri [ a child who washes his hands well dines with the elders]

Affirms that even though old age was held in high esteem in the society, your personal achievements can place you in that elite level even before you age.

Age without achievements was scorned in the society and male youthfulness without strength and brave deeds was compared to that of a kitchen bound female folk.

the young men took delight in taking great risks and venturing into daring tasks, like getting a human head during a war-time with a neighbouring clan, bringing down great beasts of the wilds like elephants, lions, tigers.

You'd then earn your place amongst the law makers, decision makers and respected figures of the society.


This to me is a basic example of how the very birth of human politics would look like, the society looking towards the strong for protection which could have started from all male folks then a distinction slowly emerges as some male folks would out weight others in strength and achievements then slowly as man advanced the great elites of ruling class are intimidated, subdued or willfully coerced into subordination to the strongest of the class as vividly captured in the mesopotamian tale of strong and mighty Gilgamesh esteemed ruler of early Uruk.

_ In the same sense religion had a rather more philosophical, natural, emotional essence but all packed into an intrinsic order by the society.

As we have seen in the early chapters, superstition was a child of human enquiry, a profound emotional projection of uncomfortable ignorance leading to an almost eloquent rationalization of the natural world distanced from the confines of nature.

The Gods were anthropomorphical representations of weird natural manifestations that bore a mark of ignorance in the minds of the curious and troubled man.

Every nature occurrence got an anthropomorphical projected being behind starting from the

-stars
-moon and sun
-fire
-lightening
-rain
-thunder
-land
-waters
-earth herself

Almost every bore a severe cruel whip of a question (?) thus in that very itchy state of unmerciful ignorance man sorted out answers for nature and so arose superstition which would accumulatively through the course of it's development in the collective hand of a societal order evolve into religions

So to say in essence Religion is in essence a child of superstition but derived and constructed by the shivering hands of an order-ridden society.

Art developed way older than man's society as early men has been found to have decorated his cave dwellings with highly amiable art works from few scratches to a beautifully intrinsic drawing ranging from plants, to wilds beasts and ultimately human figures.

Art also became incorporated into the fabrics of man's piety as it became a sacred practise, triggers a religious feel and the new developing man was ushered into an era of intuitive thinking after in a surface scratch touching the analytic mode later in the course of history he'll still go back to.

Religion and politics are twins birthed by the society, derived from different inspirations but ultimately gunned towards same goal.

Politics enforced a human authority to subdue and draw the members of the society into line while religion thrive on 'divine' authority.

A method of supernatural policing chaired by the Gods themselves and professed by the ever growing industry of the priestly class.

The human Gods left the basic sense of causalities behind natural manifestations and rather became more of an authority concerned and interacting the with the happenings of everyday order of the society.

-Piety was needed
-rituals developed to become more extravagant out of simple reverence for nature

The Gods became more political themselves as man himself developed himself into a political being.

The Gods vied for mundane kingdoms and possessions of their own ever readily professed from the ringing unnatural tone of the mystic priestly class.

" TIAMAT, their MOTHER Became troubled by her Children The GODS.
Her Still Depths became agitated By all their Actions.
APSU could not calm the GODS, TIAMAT became angry.
Her Children, The GODS Had become overbearing.
She could not stand Their clamor.

At this, APSU, Father of All the GODS, Summoned MUMMU His Servant.

Together they further Plotted Against the GODS. But The GODS Overheard their Plans And began to lament their Fate". Enuma Elish


Coincidentally or rather remarkable a chance it was the Gods became increasingly political as man's political endeavour and enterprise increased.

they also engaged in war-fare as later portrayed being a culminating outcome of the event highlighted above in the enuma elish, also remarkably just as man had evolved to engage in war-fare.

What thought at first was a projection of higher entities behind our everyday fate became more human than humans themselves.

Monotheism also evolved from deep within this bold table of uncharted Gods and higher entities though chiefly monotheism even though a child of polytheism was simple a work of a society finding a better compatible half in a god above all his/her other counterparts.

The Enuma Elish as ancient as it is has a scholarly consensus that it was not sorely a work of man's projection of divine attribution, an original theme bore a sorely natural swim that later developed into anthropomorphical representations and finally after the totality of the world the God Marduk was elevated to the chief position amongst hundreds others, giving it now rather a more theological standpoint than a naturalistic leap at explaining the cosmos.

It would later influence younger tales from younger emerging cultures like the first poem of the genesis creation account found in the Hebrew Torah.

Here in lies the evolution of the society in deriving both order and piety associated with intuitive edification and man's leap to tap into the an emotional grasp of the cosmos.

Man and his God's evolved together, little wonder Paul Heinrich Dietrich, Baron von Holbach [1770] remarked:

" If a faithful account was rendered of Man’s ideas upon Divinity, he would be obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word ‘gods’ has been used to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed; that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known causes, ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty, terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods . . . When, therefore, he ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon . . . does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by Nobody: 11:31am On Jun 11, 2016
@Johnydon22, great job you are doing here bro. Keep the posts coming.

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 7:15pm On Jun 11, 2016
I have decided that while the thread progresses i should also leave the floor open to questions.

So now i entertain any form of question anyone might want to direct at me relating to the premises or courses of the thread.

Philosophical, religious or scientific ..

Any question is allowed, no restrictions: like Carl sagan once said

"there are naive questions, tedious questions, ill phrased questions, questions put after inadequate self criticism.

But every question is a cry to understand the world, there is no such thing as dumb question."

So the floor is open but remember i can only give my own honest opinion never claimed to absolute truth and i won't argue..

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by HardMirror(m): 8:32am On Jun 13, 2016
johnydon22:

We will eventually go much deeper into this in the course of this little work, but let this be an introduction to the string instrument of the songs of the worlds.

Beautiful.
Makes one imagine the beginnings, how men perceived life when there were no tools or scientific parameters to understand life. All we could do was muse and use our imagination. It was the beginning of a higher enlightenment beyond survival on food and toils, Man seeking meaning to his existence.
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 6:04pm On Jun 13, 2016
HardMirror:


Beautiful.
Makes one imagine the beginnings, how men perceived life when there were no tools or scientific parameters to understand life. All we could do was muse and use our imagination. It was the beginning of a higher enlightenment beyond survival on food and toils, Man seeking meaning to his existence.

Correct brother
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by urahara(m): 6:11pm On Jun 13, 2016
Has anyone ever wonder why we know quite much on the progression from ardipithecus to the homo sapiens but no information is known on the evolutionary history of chimpanzees for 6 million years

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 6:21pm On Jun 13, 2016
urahara:
Has anyone ever wonder why we know quite much on the progression from ardipithecus to the homo sapiens but no information is known on the evolutionary history of chimpanzees for 6 million years

donffdd and cloudgoddess may help us here
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by urahara(m): 7:09pm On Jun 13, 2016
Aunty cloudgodesss


Where are you now that i need you . ( in justin bieber voice )
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by urahara(m): 7:12pm On Jun 13, 2016
Also can anyone provide a laymans guide to string theory
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 9:04pm On Jun 14, 2016
HELL and HEAVEN (Cosmos and chaos)


Both chaos and order are dully represented in the cosmos, unimaginable catastrophe resulting to deep beauty and evolving pattern.

The universe is like a time capsule, our method of ocular perception is based on light and so we see the universe and every other thing in a timeline of light ranging from the unnoticeable milliseconds to the gigantic light years.

Light is the propagator of the process..

[We'll in the coming submissions learn about the true nature of light]

Light is the fastest thing known by man in nature, when light from a light source hits an object the photons are reflected back and when these reflected photons hit the retina, an image is formed.

Like a mirror, the image you are seeing on a mirror are are photons reflected from the object to the surface of the mirror.

Our eyes are photoreceptors, they are photosensitivity and everything concerning our ocular perceptibility depends on light little wonder when we are exposed to deep darkness our eyes are no more useful than our hairs in that condition.

man has been wowed by the thriving universe he was received to when he first glimpsed the skies through a telescope, our ocular perception was enhanced greatly.

We saw five worlds [Mecury, venus, mars, jupiter and saturn] in orbit, accompanying worlds [moons] trailing some of them as cubs following their parents.

Then we escaped the limiting bounds of the earth, we escaped her jealous grip, looked beyond the restless atmosphere that greatly blurred our visions of the heaven.

Our quest to escape started from the Mount Wilson telescope built on top of the mountain wilson so as to reduce the annoying perturbation of our atmospheric condition, from whence the young astronomer Edwin Hubble first determined that the Andromeda nebula [M31] was actually a distinct galaxy of it's own.

Here is an example of the atmospheric effect of our view from earth, when you are looking at the stars at night they twinkle and mostly seems as they change colours so rapidly.

This is due to the earth's atmosphere perturbing lights from these stars that have travelled trillions of km across the vastness of dark space to reach us.

Its like looking at a coin under a very clear but flowing water, the image will be distorted by the water movements.

Subsequently man escaped the atmosphere and we took our observatories above the earth, huge ocular devices floating around the earth peering deeply into the deep universe and our universe became clearer.

We have telescopes like Hubble telescope, Kepler and others above, both colour spectral telescopes and radio telescopes, infrared telescopes making our images brighter and more detailed.

We saw a scary but beautiful cosmos, a cosmos of light buttered in darkness, large monstrous stars littering every corner from the dead brown dwarfs almost blind to us to the over gigantic blue giants, red giants, huge burning gases of hydrogen.

A more collection of these interstellar buddies by gravity leads to formation of galaxies.

But since our "eye sight" is based on light, it gets more complicated since light itself is not infinite.

Light travels at a finite speed of approximately 300,000,000km per second, since light is not infinite the images it conveys then must also follow suit in the timeline of it's journey to our photoreceptors or ocular machines...

_Light from the sun takes 8minutes to reach us, at any given point you see sun rays everywhere, or ones directly hitting you and causing the warm feel or merciless scotching sensation, this light of the sun was not from the sun at exactly that point in time but actually journeyed from the sun 8minutes ago.

so the lights of the sun we see is that of the sun 8minutes ago, if the sun disappeared we still won't notice for 8minutes, we'd still be seeing the sun in the sky until the 8minutes elapses.

Also in a very miniscule level, when you are looking at the person next to you or the screen of your phone as you are reading this, you are not really seeing the person or your phone as there are at that particular time but actually how there were a massive count of milliseconds ago. .. [ -10 ... ]..

So we are subjected to waiting for light to bring the information through time for us to perceive, we are at every given point in time when we look out of our window, our rooms or everything surrounding us, we are in fact looking back in time.

So to speak this was the situation of things as we peered into the vast cosmos, distances so great that it exceeds our count conventional units we had to count them in coincide with the speed of light to avoid the unnecessary bothers of too many zeros in one value.

distant galaxies, stars, nebulae, supernovae beamed down on us as we peered through the cosmos, remnants of catastrophic events, seeming calm but yet unimaginable violent interactions thrived.

it takes light longer time to travel such mind bugling distance, it takes light years in such herculean stellar quest.

So when ever you look at the points of light in the sky you are looking greatly back in time from few years back to millions of years.

Like the M31 galaxy (nearest large galaxy to the milky way) also visible in our night sky is 2.1million light years away, so when you look at it, you are seeing it as it were millions of years ago not as it is now.

Most of the stars you see at night are probably dead, some exploding in supernovae, some in slow but equally beautiful way but since light from such events have not reached us we still see the timeline of light available to us due to the uncaring painful distance.

Humans looked into the cosmos, Heaven and hell fully represented before us, chaos and order in full concord.

The word "cosmos" was coined as a connotation of an ordered universe, a universe thought to be precisely complex but yet very ordered.

The medieval thoughts of planetary orbits were perfect geometrical order, a perfect circle.

Johannes Kepler, a bright and a very influential contributor to our scientific development was fascinated by the 'thought' perfectly aligned and geometrical manifestation of the cosmos.

After studying in the protestant seminary, left the track of priesthood and rather strived for a natural priesthood of curiosity, ventured into science which was first introduced to him in his vocational training at the seminary.

Kepler was awed by the planetary motions, more so because there were thought to be perfect geometrical order.

He remarked in the euphoria of his astonishment

"Geometry existed before the Creation. It is co-eternal with the mind of God . . . Geometry provided God with a model for the Creation . . . Geometry is God Himself."

He abandoned the conventional projection of Godhood, God became more to Kepler than just a person illustration of divine wrath and authority, more than a figure of reverential awe demanding piety.

God became geometrical perfection to Kepler, an ordered cosmos that was machinated by carefully perfected geometrical manifestation.

But the observations kept bothering Kepler as they contradicted his views of a perfectly geometrical orbit.

Kepler was in love with geometry, but he also was a man of deep honesty and curiosity.

The more datas were given from astronomical chats hewn from various sources of means, Kepler saw an err in his deductions, his perfectly circular orbits were fallen apart, geometry eventually was turning out not to be the guiding hands of the universe.

As Carl Saga put it " Kepler was shaken at being compelled to abandon a circular orbit and to question his faith in the Divine Geometer. Having cleared the stable of astronomy of circles and spirals, he was left, he said, with ‘only a single cartful of dung,’ a stretched-out circle something ]like an oval"

The orbits turned out to be imperfect and were not perfect circles but rather elliptical.

Though reluctant and unsure, Kepler slowly agreed to the dictates of nature, he became less a student of geometry and accepted the facts nature taught.

The perfect order Kepler saw shattered, it was an imperfect orbit dictated by the reach of gravity he however came to realize.

Kepler became a perfect example of what the discipline of science is and should be, a self correcting enterprise, a humbling discipline, willing to look at the universe with open mind and accept what ever it teaches us than maintain what we 'feel' should be.

He once commented on this painful Journey of intellectual realization, he said

: ‘The truth of nature, which I had rejected and chased away, returned by stealth through the back door, disguising itself to be accepted . . . Ah, what a foolish bird I have been!

HEAVEN and HELL to be continued....

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by dblackninja: 3:39am On Jun 15, 2016
johnydon22:

"Geometry existed before the Creation. It is co-eternal with the mind of God . . . Geometry provided God with a model for the Creation . . . Geometry is God Himself."
That above reminded me of this sentence: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Only that the person who thought of the former made more sense than the later.

Ride on Johnny!

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by cloudgoddess(f): 7:23pm On Jun 16, 2016
urahara:
Has anyone ever wonder why we know quite much on the progression from ardipithecus to the homo sapiens but no information is known on the evolutionary history of chimpanzees for 6 million years
So according to the little research I did, there actually is a wealth of information on chimpanzee evolutionary history. Apparently more than we have on our own species.

http://www.livescience.com/37943-great-ape-genomes-sequenced.html
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by urahara(m): 8:05pm On Jun 16, 2016
cloudgoddess:

So according to the little research I did, there actually is a wealth of information on chimpanzee evolutionary history. Apparently more than we have on our own species.

http://www.livescience.com/37943-great-ape-genomes-sequenced.html

Thanx plenty smiley

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by joywendy(f): 8:54am On Jun 17, 2016
wow! Good I followed this dude,never regretted it. Thanks for it, following from the side lines though not a science genius. If I can contribute I will...Nice work Johny smiley

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 5:30pm On Jun 17, 2016
HELL and HEAVEN continue.. (catastrophe in the beginning)....

Sound and light propagate in waves, only that the photons of light do not need a medium, they easily travel in a vacuum, that is why lights from space reaches earth easily and fast enough.

But sound unlike light require a medium to propagate in this case 'Air'.

Space is a vacuum and that is why it is grave silent, there is no medium through which sound can travel out.

If we somehow could hear sounds from space it would not be one so musical, not one so pleasing to the ear.

-the thundering rumbles of the solar flares would be so loud that we'd barely be able to evolve into what we are now as a specie.

-the millions of an amplified explosion that'd would be heard every second from the solar core.

-the cracking whistles of the solar wind wheezing mercilessly across the vastness of the deep.

delayed bangs of supernovas that could shake the earth to it's core if it had a means to travel, as a matter of fact it would be simply too loud to hear.

assuming you observed the big bang, you wouldn't see or hear anything when it happens because there was no light yet then and the 'burst of energy' would have no medium to propagate the sound that should have been produced.

Probably species evolving in such environment would have to do away with organs for hearing and so be deaf to such sounds other means of communications mostly visual could be applied instead.

For once we are glad to be deaf to that cosmic song.

Each and everyone of us is a child of earth made possible by the star that hosts her.

Our history is interwoven with theirs, their births and beginning.

The birth of the worlds

Most of the worlds in the solar system formed not too long or simultaneously with our sun approximately 4.6billion years ago.

A recycle of matter battered by the uncaring grip of gravity - perturbed by a cosmic shockwave of magnanimous means and chaos ensued from whence the result that we could call beautiful emerged, a young star with small siblings entering a cosmic dance.


First there was the great cosmic egg. Inside the egg was chaos, and floating in chaos was Pan Ku, the Undeveloped, the divine Embryo. And Pan Ku burst out of the egg, four times larger than any man today, with a hammer and chisel in his hand with which he fashioned the world. -
The P’an Ku Myths, China [third century]



Just like an acorn seed falls and dies and out of the dead seed springs out life, something wonderful, a new acorn tree. From a dead maize seed comes a new maize with thousands of seeds.

Nature is always a recycling process [Little wonder the Hindu's propose an eternal universe always going through births -end -rebirths, a cycle of existence]

The solar system is one of such recycle as of most other manifestation of matter in this universe.

Our sun is probably a 3rd age star - 3rd generation of stars to form in the universe. the first generation of stars that sparked up after the beginning of the universe were very huge ball of hydrogen gas [hydrogen is a fundamental and predominant element in the universe] the stars were so huge, burning up hydrogen so fast in reckless abandon and after exhausting their hydrogen supply begin to burn helium and heavier elements were born.

So the nature of the elemental composition of the universe became more intricate, after the helium supply is done the stars die in a very violent explosion called supernovae.

scattering their elemental compositions now comprising of heavier elements into the cosmos.

younger generation of stars spring up from the remnants of these stars and thus it goes.


Our sun and the planets were children of such sad and sweet song of cosmic tragedy leading to cosmic reincarnation.

An interstellar cloud, remnants of a star dead long ago. hydrogen, helium, iron, oxygen, carbon ... present, all except for hydrogen were direct products of the initial star that has gone off.

Due to the presence of gold, uranium and other heavy elements found on earth a nearby supernovae has been speculated to be the trigger of causation.

Gold, uranium and other heavy elements aren't direct products of stars during fusion but rather are created when a star dies through supernovae.

The interstellar cloud must have been triggered to collapse under it's own gravity by the shockwave of the nearby supernova casting off some of it's own elemental composition [gold, uranium] into the interstellar elemental soup.

the collapse lead to accretion of matter by gravitational points, as more and more matter are accumulated towards the center it gets denser and hotter until eventually becomes hot and dense enough to start the fusion of hydrogen atoms and a star is born.

A young sun that would hold the fate of a curious specie, a curious blue sibling planet all bound in oneness by fate and gravity to each other.

The remaining interstellar matter would form as a ring around the small hot young sun, accreting more matter as smaller accretion of matter at various points begins.

Hot chunks of matter colliding, stick together and get bigger as the tuff war of uncharted cosmic battle waged on.

The rings of Saturn would best paint a clear picture of this age of the solar system as the matter that lead to the planets were to the sun then as the little ice, dusts and rocks that makes Saturn's ring are to it.

As these small points of interstellar matter accretion danced in very hellish dance around the sun, glowing charred hot balls seeming like a live coal in a dark night, all having their fair share of the elemental compositions of the cosmic soup.

Possibilities that the sun had other siblings of like-wise nature, smaller suns venturing off into the vastness of space forever cut off from their shared origins, probably we might see one of these stars in our night sky so far away that our history could hardly be reconciled.

A small star of the system that was a near miss is Jupiter - A monstrous hoard of hydrogen gas, jupiter could have reached a star phase if it accreted more matter to spark up nuclear fusion in it's core.

It would have been a small sun, gravitationally attached to it's elder sibling making the solar system a double star system, a very common star system configuration in our galaxy.

What a sight that could have been from earth, two suns of differing sizes and colour spectrums, more frequent eclipse, so short nights if at all it comes.

Jupiter is basically a failed star.

The smaller balls of interstellar matter now would solidify though still hot as it gets but taking solid shapes of spherical nature, they'd be dense enough to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium.

their grabs of elemental compositions being a defining factor to the nature of these worlds.

Mecury, venus, earth and mars, small heavy world of mostly rocks probably due to silicon [as earth has that in abundance], iron etc.

Jupiter, saturn and other bigger gas giants hoarding a greedy hydrogen composition.

The worlds have been born, the fate of mankind sealed who in the course of his history look towards the sky from whence his fate was decided.

The cosmic songs began for the young system mostly a bitter song of catastrophe, the solar system at the start of it's history was not a peaceful place - still not is but the events of the past makes the present condition seem like a heaven.

it was a hell at the beginning, chaos ruled as the young worlds danced randomly across smashing into each other, a battle of the worlds, there almost certainly were more planets formed during the onset of the system than we now have, many of them didn't survive the early catastrophe of the young unsettled system.

The asteroid belt might pay homage to these sad events, even afterwards the surviving planets were still battered by severe meteor bombardment.

Smaller chunks of asteroids travelling across space, uncaring and blind colliding into any obstacle.

Hell thrived.

Earth and other planets would have gotten a severe share of these meteor bombardments, mercury lends words to this as craters which are formed at impact from meteors or asteroids are still visible, venus with it's thick sulfur clouds blinds the eyes to the state of it's surface though it is expected to be filled with impact craters.

Earth got it's own severe share, most eroded through the long years by wind and erosion.

many still there to this day - some of which have lakes in them and there are even young recent impact craters.

The craters of earth being washed from the surface by many factors gives earth less of a crater filled look, the moon has no such luxury.

with no atmosphere [no air therefore no wind], no liquid water, there hardly is sufficient factors to erode the impact craters of the moon, lunar volcanoes had filled many but many more took their place.

if you could glance through a telescope and look at the moon, you'd see these sad remnants of a sad batter, impact craters almost at every corner lending a verse to the sad song of chaos that was sung during the early stages of the solar system.

Mars just like earth also has most of it's crater eroded by similar factors, jupiter, saturn, neptune and uranus being balls of gases would remain seeming untouched by meteors as their gaseous nature would produce no impact crater but they surely have gotten their fair share of meteor bombardment if not more being of larger gravitational reach.

the smaller bodies, moons of the solar system; ganymede, io, europa, pheobe even large asteroids all show a generous view of impact craters.

All pointing to a beginning marked as a Hell.

But hell would not rule forever as slowly the system would gain more stability and become less violent till to what we have now.

though not absolutely free of such catastrophe that marked it's early history but is what we can call a little slice of heaven

to be continued...

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by taurus25(m): 5:37pm On Jun 17, 2016
how have i not seen this thread since??.......*grabs chair* cheesy
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by urahara(m): 5:39pm On Jun 17, 2016
johnydon22:
HELL and HEAVEN continue.. (catastrophe in the beginning)....

Sound and light propagate in waves, only that the photons of light do not need a medium, they easily travel in a vacuum, that is why lights from space reaches earth easily and fast enough.

But sound unlike light require a medium to propagate in this case 'Air'.

Space is a vacuum and that is why it is grave silent, there is no medium through which sound can travel out.

If we somehow could hear sounds from space it would not be one so musical, not one so pleasing to the ear.

-the thundering rumbles of the solar flares would be so loud that we'd barely be able to evolve into what we are now as a specie.

-the millions of an amplified explosion that'd would be heard every second from the solar core.

-the cracking whistles of the solar wind wheezing mercilessly across the vastness of the deep.

delayed bangs of supernovas that could shake the earth to it's core if it had a means to travel, as a matter of fact it would be simply too loud to hear.

assuming you observed the big bang, you wouldn't see or hear anything when it happens because there was no light yet then and the 'burst of energy' would have no medium to propagate the sound that should have been produced.

Probably species evolving in such environment would have to do away with organs for hearing and so be deaf to such sounds other means of communications mostly visual could be applied instead.

For once we are glad to be deaf to that cosmic song.

Each and everyone of us is a child of earth made possible by the star that hosts her.

Our history is interwoven with theirs, their births and beginning.

The birth of the worlds

Most of the worlds in the solar system formed not too long or simultaneously with our sun approximately 4.6billion years ago.

A recycle of matter battered by the uncaring grip of gravity - perturbed by a cosmic shockwave of magnanimous means and chaos ensued from whence the result that we could call beautiful emerged, a young star with small siblings entering a cosmic dance.


First there was the great cosmic egg. Inside the egg was chaos, and floating in chaos was Pan Ku, the Undeveloped, the divine Embryo. And Pan Ku burst out of the egg, four times larger than any man today, with a hammer and chisel in his hand with which he fashioned the world. -
The P’an Ku Myths, China [third century]



Just like an acorn seed falls and dies and out of the dead seed springs out life, something wonderful, a new acorn tree. From a dead maize seed comes a new maize with thousands of seeds.

Nature is always a recycling process [Little wonder the Hindu's propose an eternal universe always going through births -end -rebirths, a cycle of existence]

The solar system is one of such recycle as of most other manifestation of matter in this universe.

Our sun is probably a 3rd age star - 3rd generation of stars to form in the universe. the first generation of stars that sparked up after the beginning of the universe were very huge ball of hydrogen gas [hydrogen is a fundamental and predominant element in the universe] the stars were so huge, burning up hydrogen so fast in reckless abandon and after exhausting their hydrogen supply begin to burn helium and heavier elements were born.

So the nature of the elemental composition of the universe became more intricate, after the helium supply is done the stars die in a very violent explosion called supernovae.

scattering their elemental compositions now comprising of heavier elements into the cosmos.

younger generation of stars spring up from the remnants of these stars and thus it goes.


Our sun and the planets were children of such sad and sweet song of cosmic tragedy leading to cosmic reincarnation.

An interstellar cloud, remnants of a star dead long ago. hydrogen, helium, iron, oxygen, carbon ... present, all except for hydrogen were direct products of the initial star that has gone off.

Due to the presence of gold, uranium and other heavy elements found on earth a nearby supernovae has been speculated to be the trigger of causation.

Gold, uranium and other heavy elements aren't direct products of stars during fusion but rather are created when a star dies through supernovae.

The interstellar cloud must have been triggered to collapse under it's own gravity by the shockwave of the nearby supernova casting off some of it's own elemental composition [gold, uranium] into the interstellar elemental soup.

the collapse lead to accretion of matter by gravitational points, as more and more matter are accumulated towards the center it gets denser and hotter until eventually becomes hot and dense enough to start the fusion of hydrogen atoms and a star is born.

A young sun that would hold the fate of a curious specie, a curious blue sibling planet all bound in oneness by fate and gravity to each other.

The remaining interstellar matter would form as a ring around the small hot young sun, accreting more matter as smaller accretion of matter at various points begins.

Hot chunks of matter colliding, stick together and get bigger as the tuff war of uncharted cosmic battle waged on.

The rings of Saturn would best paint a clear picture of this age of the solar system as the matter that lead to the planets were to the sun then as the little ice, dusts and rocks that makes Saturn's ring are to it.

As these small points of interstellar matter accretion danced in very hellish dance around the sun, glowing charred hot balls seeming like a live coal in a dark night, all having their fair share of the elemental compositions of the cosmic soup.

Possibilities that the sun had other siblings of like-wise nature, smaller suns venturing off into the vastness of space forever cut off from their shared origins, probably we might see one of these stars in our night sky so far away that our history could hardly be reconciled.

A small star of the system that was a near miss is Jupiter - A monstrous hoard of hydrogen gas, jupiter could have reached a star phase if it accreted more matter to spark up nuclear fusion in it's core.

It would have been a small sun, gravitationally attached to it's elder sibling making the solar system a double star system, a very common star system configuration in our galaxy.

What a sight that could have been from earth, two suns of differing sizes and colour spectrums, more frequent eclipse, so short nights if at all it comes.

Jupiter is basically a failed star.

The smaller balls of interstellar matter now would solidify though still hot as it gets but taking solid shapes of spherical nature, they'd be dense enough to achieve hydrostatic equilibrium.

their grabs of elemental compositions being a defining factor to the nature of these worlds.

Mecury, venus, earth and mars, small heavy world of mostly rocks probably due to silicon [as earth has that in abundance], iron etc.

Jupiter, saturn and other bigger gas giants hoarding a greedy hydrogen composition.

The worlds have been born, the fate of mankind sealed who in the course of his history look towards the sky from whence his fate was decided.

The cosmic songs began for the young system mostly a bitter song of catastrophe, the solar system at the start of it's history was not a peaceful place - still not is but the events of the past makes the present condition seem like a heaven.

it was a hell at the beginning, chaos ruled as the young worlds danced randomly across smashing into each other, a battle of the worlds, there almost certainly were more planets formed during the onset of the system than we now have, many of them didn't survive the early catastrophe of the young unsettled system.

The asteroid belt might pay homage to these sad events, even afterwards the surviving planets were still battered by severe meteor bombardment.

Smaller chunks of asteroids travelling across space, uncaring and blind colliding into any obstacle.

Hell thrived.

Earth and other planets would have gotten a severe share of these meteor bombardments, mercury lends words to this as craters which are formed at impact from meteors or asteroids are still visible, venus with it's thick sulfur clouds blinds the eyes to the state of it's surface though it is expected to be filled with impact craters.

Earth got it's own severe share, most eroded through the long years by wind and erosion.

many still there to this day - some of which have lakes in them and there are even young recent impact craters.

The craters of earth being washed from the surface by many factors gives earth less of a crater filled look, the moon has no such luxury.

with no atmosphere [no air therefore no wind], no liquid water, there hardly is sufficient factors to erode the impact craters of the moon, lunar volcanoes had filled many but many more took their place.

if you could glance through a telescope and look at the moon, you'd see these sad remnants of a sad batter, impact craters almost at every corner lending a verse to the sad song of chaos that was sung during the early stages of the solar system.

Mars just like earth also has most of it's crater eroded by similar factors, jupiter, saturn, neptune and uranus being balls of gases would remain seeming untouched by meteors as their gaseous nature would produce no impact crater but they surely have gotten their fair share of meteor bombardment if not more being of larger gravitational reach.

the smaller bodies, moons of the solar system; ganymede, io, europa, pheobe even large asteroids all show a generous view of impact craters.

All pointing to a beginning marked as a Hell.

But hell would not rule forever as slowly the system would gain more stability and become less violent till to what we have now.

though not absolutely free of such catastrophe that marked it's early history but is what we can call a little slice of heaven

to be continued...


Nice one
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by wiegraf: 4:15pm On Jun 18, 2016
johnydon22:


Welcome on board my boss wiagraf.

It is expected for us to see Earth and the sun as special in my opinion, Value is subjective to distinct minds.

To a chimpanzee a banana is more special than gold but to a human a gold is far more special.

Value is subjective to the mind that conceives it which is always directly related to the role or effect of the 'subject of value' to the individual perceiving it.

We are earthlings, the sun is our source of life, these two has an effect on us no other celestial object has so surely they must be special to us

So i find it expected people trail such line of thought, being chauvinistic about our host star and parent planet.

But in a general Natural scale the truth remains whether you hold something more special than the other - There is no V.I.P seat in nature

I've no problem with most of this, obviously (and well said). I want to highlight something somewhat tangential to this

it's OK to think was your wife the most beautiful woman in the galaxy. it's even cute and useful sef

it's silly to think she's objectively the most beautiful in the galaxy. (to insist so is problematic in some cases, but we can ignore that)

supposing you happen to have a kid with blue eyes, black man as you are?

it's pure delusion and and self conceit to think that you are somehow special. that there are no - have never been and will never be, even - other black, blue eyed children out there. especially if, as opposed to hundreds of millions, there are trillions of other black couples out there

maybe you married a ninja, and because she's always in hijab you think her something special

lol no

the follies above our religious cousins revel in
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 9:25pm On Jun 18, 2016
wiegraf:


I've no problem with most of this, obviously (and well said). I want to highlight something somewhat tangential to this

it's OK to think was your wife the most beautiful woman in the galaxy. it's even cute and useful sef

it's silly to think she's objectively the most beautiful in the galaxy. (to insist so is problematic in some cases, but we can ignore that)

supposing you happen to have a kid with blue eyes, black man as you are?

it's pure delusion and and self conceit to think that you are somehow special. that there are no - have never been and will never be, even - other black, blue eyed children out there. especially if, as opposed to hundreds of millions, there are trillions of other black couples out there

maybe you married a ninja, and because she's always in hijab you think her something special

lol no

the follies above our religious cousins revel in

Hahaha
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 4:36pm On Jun 21, 2016
THE SHORES OF ETERNITY

And God said "Let there be light" and there was light
Genesis account, Jewish creation myth

First there was the great cosmic egg. Inside the egg was chaos, and floating in chaos was Pan Ku, the Undeveloped, the divine Embryo. And Pan Ku burst out of the egg, four times larger than any man today, with a hammer and chisel in his hand with which he fashioned the world.
-The P’an Ku Myths, China ( third century)


When Rev Father Georges Henri Joseph Edouard Lemaitre, a catholic priest and huge natural philosopher with special fields in cosmology and astrophysics -when he proposed what is now known as the Big Bang theory, he first called it hypothesis of the cosmic egg or the hypothesis of the primeval atom.

Sir Isaac Newton regarded by many in the scientific world as one of the most brilliant mind to grace this earth, the formulator of the famous calculus, theory of gravity believed in a static universe, eternal and unmoving.

Albert Einstein -who formulated the theory of relativity shared this Newtonian view of a static and eternal universe though mathematical calculations has shown that the theory of relativity falls apart in a static universe.

Fr Lemaitre who had a view of an expanding universe reasoned "If everything was expanding then there must have been a time when all this started to expand, if you rewind the event back in time you'd get to a point when everything was packed into a very small point"

The cosmic egg, a hatch of universal causality.

The Big Bang hypothesis was first faulted by some in the scientific field with the ridiculous excuse that it sounded too religious, forgetting what the discipline of science is in so doing.

Versatile and encompassing, giving an accommodating chance to every idea in it's quest to discover what is.

Forgetting that religious myths and explanations were built on the prevalent scientific knowledge of that primordial era of human intellectual evolution.

as Carl Sagan rightly put it These myths are tributes to human audacity. The chief difference between them and our modern scientific myth of the Big Bang is that science is self-questioning, and that we can perform experiments and observations to test our ideas. But those other creation stories are worthy of our deep respect.

More over there is nothing i can think of that triggers more the deepest emotion, intuitive, poetic part of man more than the cosmos, an awe striking reality, nothing pricks the religiosity and spiritual sense of man more than peering into the world he is part of and in.

The cosmic egg hypothesis was one of the most important cosmological leap of man in understanding the universe and it's origin though it is still far from answering the mountain of questions still bugging the mind of curious man.

The hypothesis postulated predictions based on the mathematical calculations.

- First the basis of the hypothesis was based on universal expansion, the universe was on a jolly ride within itself, everything is racing away from each other therefore if that event is to be taken back in time it proposed that there must have been a point when all was in an infinite state of immense energy which burst like the name implies 'a cosmic egg' that has gotten enough of uneventful incubation.

..In 1929 a young Astronomer Edwin hubble with the aid of the mount Wilson's telescope calculated the red shift of distant nebulae and concluded that there were drifting further away us.

This doesn't imply that the earth is the center and everything is moving away from it, means that every galaxy is moving away from one another with the more distant galaxies moving faster than the nearer ones, if we were in another galaxy somewhere in the virgo cluster, we'd still observe other galaxies as if they were running away from us.

To explain what redshifts are in a simplified sense, light travel in an electromagnetic spectrum, the wavelike travel of photons are responsible for the different variation of light manifestations.

Now the redshift is a measurement of the visible spectrum of light [colours] when two objects are near, the light travelling from one object to the other will have shorter wavelengths therefore will appear blue but the farther these objects get from each other the more stretched the wave becomes and the spectrum leaves blue and become red and redder the farther there are.

so the spectral wavelength of these distant galaxies are measured to determine their redshift. [to be discussed further in the coming chapters]

The foundation bases of the big bang was confirmed, an expanding universe.

-Another prediction of the big bang was the background radiation - since the universe as we know it, was started by a rapid outburst of energy that lead to rapid inflation and expansion of space can almost be likened to an explosion but basically distinct.

It is expected that such violent burst of energy must leave traces, remnants of the burst like the colourful showers of light after fireworks..

there ought to be remnants of these deep dark cosmic firework, a radiation that should be left behind everywhere.

The Cosmic microwave background radiation was discovered in the 1960's lending more weight to the Cosmic egg [big bang] cosmological model.

If you run the model back to the point it all began, there was a point when there were no matter - at least not as we know it now.

the universe was a very small point of intense density and temperature called a singularity which then burst open in a very violent inflation that triggered an expansion.

If one had observed the bang there wouldn't have been anything to see or hear since light was not created at the big bang neither does sound propagate in space.

it would be like standing in the shores of forever seeing nothing and hearing silence.

the temperature cooled as the expansion progressed allowing the formation of subatomic particles from whence the simplest form of element in the cosmos formed hydrogen which is the building block of universal elemental composition.

Gravitational effects on this abundant supply of hydrogen formed the first stars, the universe was lit, matter now burned and light was created.

These Adam stars were so large and rather care-free in their usage of the hydrogen supply which wasn't infinite but had to run out along the line.

_stars shine by a process known as thermonuclear fusion, a process where hydrogen atoms are fused to form helium in the core of a star, this fusion produces immenwe energy and heat that it is almost frightening.

Every second in a star up to a million or a billion nuclear explosions happen contained in the star core [the seat of both light and energy in every star]

stars are basically extra-large, extra hot nuclear bombs.

and with more gravitational song played the universe became more intrinsic, galaxies formed.

Now the Big bang theory having tendered answers in explanation of the observed facts of nature does not still sate the undying curiosity of the cosmos like

-what was before the universe?

-what triggered the universe?

-what exactly is the universe?

-was this big bang the only there is or was?

-what is the fate of the expanding universe?

These questions are as critical to us as knowing ourselves since they bring the knowledge of ourselves closer to us, the more we understand the universe, the more we understand ourselves since we are no more different from the universe.

We barely understand 'what exactly the universe is' there are many places to which our enquiry is yet to poke hard enough.

The theology of the Hinduism religion is one that always has a cosmological tilt, a mesh of superstition buttered in clear thought out, profound cosmogony.

The Hindus propose a cycle of existence, reincarnation, death and rebirth.

From animals to humans to the universe and to the God(s) themselves, the most impressive part of it all is that when most theologies and myths talked in thousands of years Hinduism talked in cycles spanning billions of years.

To them this universe has undergone series of rebirths in coincide with the divine dream duration, these very ancient ideas though old are awe matching and pays tribute to the utmost alacrity of man's curiosity.

The consequences of the universal expansion is one that is poked with an eye of uncertainty considering the variables to be considered.

_in the first instance the universe may expand forever if there is a critical amount of matter in the totality of it's composition thereby meeting a cold fate, a state where everything is so far apart gravitational grip is severed, the stars cannot form at this stage and the universe will grow dark and cold.
A cruel fate of cold and dark deep, seeming nothingness of something in an oblivion of darkness.

_But supposing there are more matter in the universe then gravitational grip will eventually prevail slowing down the expansion and eventually stopping it then sets the universe on a reverse course.
everything will crunch back together .
If this be the case then almost certainly the big bang was not the start of the cosmos neither was it the only but the cosmos rather can be reconciled with the Hindu idea of death and rebirth.

The big bang would not have been the start of the cosmos but only a rebirth, a reincarnation of a dead universe.
The cosmos then is a cycle of unending existence..

we then must be seating on the shores of eternity

To be continued...

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by wirinet(m): 6:09pm On Jun 25, 2016
Johnny, i am not just impressed with your scientific knowledge, i am even more impressed by your creative writing. You remind me of Issac Asimov. I read a lot of him in my younger days. You also have the writing style of James A. Michener. Have you read The Source by James A. Michener. It is very similar to this your write up.

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by cloudgoddess(f): 11:51pm On Jun 25, 2016
A video by one of my favorite Youtube channels was recently released that goes perfectly with this thread! Enjoy, all smiley And great work as usual, Johnny!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGiQaabX3_o

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 7:59am On Jun 26, 2016
wirinet:
Johnny, i am not just impressed with your scientific knowledge, i am even more impressed by your creative writing. You remind me of Issac Asimov. I read a lot of him in my younger days. You also have the writing style of James A. Michener. Have you read The Source by James A. Michener. It is very similar to this your write up.

Thank you boss, have not read "The Source" or any work from James Michener but i'm going to do so ASAP...

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by Nobody: 6:09pm On Jun 27, 2016
wow . . .

man, you should be a philosopher.


However, I have a few questions about jupiter being a failed star.


how much more mass should it have accumulated before it became a star? and if it did, what class of stars would it be in?

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Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 6:17pm On Jun 27, 2016
Teempakguy:
wow . . .

man, you should be a philosopher.


However, I have a few questions about jupiter being a failed star.


how much more mass should it have accumulated before it became a star? and if it did, what class of stars would it be in?


I knew this boy must juggle me with questions grin welcome brother

Anyway twice it's current size with sufficient mass, it could have passed for a brown dwarf.

With 4times or more the present size, sufficient mass it could be a low mass star, massive enough to sustain a fusion of Hydrogen atoms.
Re: Songs Of The Worlds By Johnydon22 by johnydon22(m): 6:18pm On Jun 27, 2016
LIGHT

If we had no eyes we would be unaware of the existence of colour. What if we are missing an entire aspect of everything simply because we have no organ to detect it?.
Anonymous

Do you know the dwelling of light?
Book of Job [Jewish myth]


Light is part of our everyday life, light is probably inseparable from our survival and even evolution, almost certainly without light life wouldn't have emerged or evolved on earth so we as living organisms are inseparable from the encompassing confine of light.

There is more to light than we can see, the parts of light that play more roles in our existence, evolution in general is the part we are rarely able to detect so almost blind to it's existence.

Simply defined Light is an electromagnetic radiation a weird piece of natural mastery.

We are used to light, we see light in our everyday life, light bulbs, torch light, televisions, the sun, the reflected sunlight on the moon as a matter of fact that we see at all is because of light but our perception of light is so lacking that we almost are oblivious to the full complete manifestations of light.

-That you were able to search and open this on your internet browser is not separable from the wonder made possible by light.

-the radio signals blaring on your radios, mobile phones, televisions.

-the penetrating x-ray photos that has saved millions of what would have been unknown causality of untold disaster.

Our eyes - the organ responsible for our ocular perceptibility is sadly limited, it is a machine made possible by light but can only perceive a miniscule aspect of light.

Our vision is based on light photons hitting the object and reflect back to our retina to form an image but the percentage of light we see is only but a very small part of all that light is.

We are blinded to those part that we are unable to perceive even though there are all around us.

A simple experiment that could be done in every classroom or home, i can remember doing it in Physics class as a young indifferent boy bored to hell at the mention of the name Physics.

Our young but yet patient teacher tried his best to explain the refraction of light in a triangular prism giving rise to different spectrums of light.

What a foolish bird i have been.

With the aid of a little triangular prism [glass] when a beam of light is passed through the prism it disperses into different spectrums of distinct wavelengths, to us more like a rainbow sandwich.

The light is broken down into many rainbow like colours from the shortest wavelength: Violet, Blue, green, yellow, orange, red...

This is what we call the visible spectrum of light but we are sadly but yet beautifully limited.

Light goes far more than that - starting from shortest wavelength of;

[Gamma rays ]
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[X-rays]
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[Ultraviolet]


Then in between Ultra-violet and subsequent wavelength of infrared, a tiny spectrum is carved which is called

[the visible spectrum **where colours fall in**]

Beyond that we continue to the:

[infrared]
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[Radio waves] - holds the longest wavelength.

what if there are more spectrums of light beyond the radio waves and gammar rays completely elusive to us?

The small spectrum visible to us we named the "visible spectrum", the bumble bee would disagree with us on this, the bumble bees easily perceive the Ultraviolet, rattlesnakes and a curious eight eyed specie of spiders in infrared.

Colours as we perceive them would be blind to bumble bees and rattlesnake but in return their ocular perception would be something we would dub magical.

The bumble bees would see in likely transparent and grey mode, the rattle snake would see in a more miraculous cake of intrinsic heat pattern - they could easily peer through walls, tell distinct temperatures of objects by mere looking at them.

Though we can re-create these ocular perceptibility technologically like we have infra-red telescopes, x-rays but these abilities can only be a subject of our fantasy biologically.


Which then begs the question.

Since light directly affect the perception of reality, how then exactly is reality?

To the rattle snake the remarkable firework-like mesh of heat signature vision is the reality of things, if we had that ability to perceive in infra-red then you wouldn't have been able to make out the luscious flesh of animals or humans, flashy colour of gold, the ominous blue of the ocean depth - everything would appear in signature according to their temperature.

This leaves a remarkable pointer - Light not only is a universal constant but also a determinant of reality in the sense that your perception of reality is directly as a result of the spectrum of light you can perceive.

We may be chauvinistic and claim our perception of reality is the best but this only will be us exercising an expected chauvinism towards our own perceptibility, the bumble bee would still maintain ultra-violet is the best while rattle snakes would stick to infrared if they all could communicate their mind.

No spectrum of light is realer than the rest, they are all real part of bits of light therefore the varying perception of reality as perceived by distinct optical mirrors in reaction to varying light spectrums are all real, none realer than the other.

Understanding light may help us understand more about the universe we live in.

Light exhibit a dual nature, light propagate as tiny droplets called photons and these have shown to propagate both as a particle and wave.

A completely spooky reality that beats the human imaginations, referred to as wave-particle duality.

This finite but boundless nature light makes light one of the things most familiar to us, most abundant to us, most intrinsic with both our existence and evolution but yet most strange to us.

In a small remote corner of the then 19th century Germany, a young boy was chastised by his class teacher for being very poor in school works and grades, sentenced to a cruel destroying judgement was allegedly told by this class teacher he would amount to nothing.

Later failed an entrance exam to a reputable tertiary institution though all the while was exceptional in mathematics and physics but generally had poor grades.

Was awarded a Nobel prize in Physics in 1927. Young handsome amiable young man, dreamy with funny hair cut rather outre beards.

An impeachable giant in the 20th century physics arena, developed the theory of general relativity and special relativity, known for what is regarded by some as the most popular equation.

E=MC2

Which later lead to the invention of nuclear weapons which he blatantly opposed.

A child thought to be failure became one of the greatest success in 20th century scientific world, his theory of relativity and the quantum theory [not his but he also contributed] are the two pillars of modern physics as we know it.

He was Albert Einstein.

Remarking on his academic struggles and failures he bemoaned an unfair system of education

"If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live all it's life believing it is a failure"

Albert Einstein was a lover of Light and this love and curiosity about light fueled his profound game changing discoveries of physics that painted a rather subtle but interesting picture of the universe.

He showed that the Speed of light approximately 3,000,000km/s is the universal limit, it is almost certainly unbeatable in the macro universe.

In a universe with 3spartial dimensions plus time all equaled the constant [speed of light]

His theories predicted the existence of Blackholes, detected to be littered through out the cosmos - one of these dark monstrous dark may lurk close by unseen and unsong.

The nature of light we saw played a very loud string instrument in the nature of the universe.

In a universe of random beats and songs there is one that is in constant harmony and pitch and that is light, a leader in the cosmic orchestra.

In understanding the cosmos more "light" lends a hand of illumination, we must first understand the true configuration of our universe and it's relation with time.

Are we in an open universe, boundless and limitless or a close universe?

If there is a limited number of matter in the universe then we are in an open universe with a slightly curved nature like a horse saddle boundless and limitless leaping towards Infiniti

But if there are more matter then we are in a closed universe, trapped within itself, condemned by fate to contract and light in this scenario is bound to the confines of the expanse.

if this model of the universe [closed universe] holds true, it means light cannot escape the universe therefore our universe is most likely a blackhole since blackholes are gravitational wells that even light cannot escape, and also invokes the eternal cycle of cosmic causality - a universe of death and rebirth, end and new beginning thriving in the deep of forever.

then mind bogglingly we are thriving in a blackhole that exist probably in a distinct dimension of space.

That turns a curious mind to the blackholes that litter our cosmic arena, curious prospect photocopies of our self, prisons for light and matter alike.

Light is gunning us towards cosmic realization yet still mapping out the limits and boundaries of our reach.

Continued...

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