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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 12:32am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


I have not insulted you and you can ask KingEbukasBlog I always try to have decent conversations without throwing about insults. Please try and maintain some civility.
Okay. Read the thread.

There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts causing an average of about 10,000,000 murders each. Rationalize that.

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:33am On Jun 06, 2016
@Winner01 even before 1941 when Hitler supposedly turned against Christianity, he had already started the holocaust in ernest.
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:34am On Jun 06, 2016
plaetton:

God's moral thresholds, re: the promotion of covetousness, looting, rape and genocide.

Hopefully , one day he will provide bible verses to buttress these blatant claims



Hopefully

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by Lumiere91: 12:35am On Jun 06, 2016
frank317:
Lol!!! Oboy... guy, I are turning into a psycho... butGod does not exist na.
bro he does!!
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:36am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Okay. Read the thread.

There have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal acts causing an average of about 10,000,000 murders each. Rationalize that.

You have not established why the crimes committed by these regimes should be attributed to atheism. You have also willfully ignored the fact that these regimes were all communist regimes
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:38am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
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Atheists always claim Religious people are dangerous because they believe in eternal punishment of Hell for people who dont believe in God - the same one that killed in the Old Testament . When your own logic betrays you .

When my logic betrays me? Have I ever made a statement to that effect?

Bigotry is a two way street
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:38am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Adolf Hitler was born a catholic just like many but he proclaimed his atheistic worldview later in his life. He was born a catholic and therefore has some christian quotes to his name. But I would rather you observe some of his quotes carefully:

In June 1941, Hitler ordered an invasion of the Soviet Union. And on 12th July, 1941, he gave the following quote

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)

On 10th October, 1941, he said:

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)

on 14th October, 1941, he said

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity is the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52) Hitlers' Table Talks.


On October 19th, 1941
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges, the pox and christianity"- Table talks"

December 13th of the same year, he said "When all is said and done, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease."

Hitler had a terrible mentality and ideology later on in his life, and this led to the murder of about 12,000,000 people.

If you can provide his pro-christian quotes after this dates, Me and KingEbukasBlog will present you a medal. grin

Lol . Bro . Atheists be wishing that their mentors were not atheists

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 12:40am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


You have not established why the crimes committed by these regimes should be attributed to atheism. You have also willfully ignored the fact that these regimes were all communist regimes
Go through the thread i told you earlier. After that, Read up on atheistic-communism. After that, tell me if those leaders were atheists or not.
Here is the link once again: https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:41am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


When my logic betrays me? Have I ever made a statement to that effect?

Bigotry is a two way street

I never said you made the statement . I'm saying that you should not get annoyed when the same thinking used against Christians is now used against atheists .

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 12:43am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:
@Winner01 even before 1941 when Hitler supposedly turned against Christianity, he had already started the holocaust in ernest.
Oh I see. grin grin grin

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:45am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


You have not established why the crimes committed by these regimes should be attributed to atheism. You have also willfully ignored the fact that these regimes were all communist regimes

Communism - MarxistLeninist ideology

Karl Marx - Atheist . Religion is the opium of the masses

Lenin - Anti -religion , Claimed religion is negative to human development

Communism is the fusion of these two ideas . The drive that religion impedes development armed with the non belief in God led to the killings . And very religious countries then were very prosperous .

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:50am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Go through the thread i told you earlier. After that, Read up on atheistic-communism. After that, tell me if those leaders were atheists or not.
Here is the link once again: https://www.nairaland.com/2988881/atheism-terrorism-annihilation-quest-atheistic

You are still grossly conflating issues. Let me give you an analogy.

A friend of mine once wanted to show me how Christianity is worse than Islam in terms of violence.

He argued like this,

1. George W. Bush invaded Iraq and killed innocent civilians on fabricated Intel.

2. George W. Bush is a Christian

3. Therefore George W. Bush invaded Iraq in the name of christ.

I hope by now that you have spotted the fallacy in his line of thought. It is similar to your argument.

Now let's look at Osama Bin Laden.

1. OBL masterminded the attack on the world trade centre.

2. OBL is a Muslim and claims he did it for Allah

3. Therefore it may be safe to assume that the attack on World trade center was inspired by Islam - at least a misinterpreted brand of Islam.

So you have not established any causation between the genocide perpetuated by these repulsive dictators and atheism. If nothing else their action is consistent with what is obtainable in a communist country.

China, Vietnam and Cuba are all examples of modern communist countries. Guess what? Human rights are grossly abused in these countries till this day.
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 12:53am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:

Therefore George W. Bush invaded Iraq in the name of christ.
How do you make such an inference? undecided What justification did he have?.
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:53am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Communism - MarxistLeninist ideology

Karl Marx - Atheist . Religion is the opium of the masses

Lenin - Anti -religion , Claimed religion is negative to human development

Communism is the fusion of these two ideas . The drive that religion impedes development armed with the non belief in God led to the killings . And very religious countries then were very prosperous .

Communism led to deaths because the basic ideals of communism is dictatorship and absolute control over the people.

For the government to firmly own all means of production it needs to have absolute grip on the people. This is the major flaw of communism.

Communism is a political ideology that depends on withdrawal of the people's freedom to thrive.

Every communist government has been repressive
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:56am On Jun 06, 2016
dalaman:


You are a very slow block headed idiot.

dalaman:

so many illiterates are christians.
dalaman:


Forget the foolish hypocrite.
dalaman:


He is already mad.

The vituperation , the use of invective , the derogatory comments . Just like their puissant mentors , give an atheist power and watch how he will spread his hate against religion . Atheists have the disposition to hate , to terrorise and kill

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 12:56am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
How do you make such an inference? undecided What justification did he have?.

Sounds absurd right? You have been committing a similar fallacy on this thread. As you have failed to show how atheism inspired all these leaders to kill people.

Hitler was solely fueled by racism. Discussing his religion here is irrelevant to his crimes because he committed gross crimes against humanity both as a theist and as an atheist.
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:57am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


Communism led to deaths because the basic ideals of communism is dictatorship and absolute control over the people.

For the government to firmly own all means of production it needs to have absolute grip on the people. This is the major flaw of communism.

Communism is a political ideology that depends on withdrawal of the people's freedom to thrive.

Every communist government has been repressive

Is this a rebuttal or don't you agree with me .
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:59am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


Sounds absurd right? You have been committing a similar fallacy on this thread. As you have failed to show how atheism inspired all these leaders to kill people.

Hitler was solely fueled by racism. Discussing his religion here is irrelevant to his crimes because he committed gross crimes against humanity both as a theist and as an atheist.

I just did . Communism ! ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Communism inspired these leaders to kill . How to put an end to something . Kill its adherents
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by Nobody: 12:59am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Lol. You have change mouth from hitler was a christian to were the people he killed christians. Oya continu.
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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 1:01am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


Sounds absurd right? You have been committing a similar fallacy on this thread. As you have failed to show how atheism inspired all these leaders to kill people.

Hitler was solely fueled by racism. Discussing his religion here is irrelevant to his crimes because he committed gross crimes against humanity both as a theist and as an atheist.
Bush had no justification whatsoever. In less than 100 years, approximately 158 million souls were lost at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists. For record purposes. The total religious killings (christianity and others) till date is less than 4 million souls lost. Would you term this a coincidence?
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by winner01(m): 1:02am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:






The vituperation , the use of invective , the derogatory comments . Just like their puissant mentors , give an atheist power and watch how he will spread his hate against religion . Atheists have the disposition to hate , to terrorise and kill
You don kill him bro grin grin grin grin grin grin

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 1:03am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


I just did . Communism ! ! ! ! !! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Communism inspired these leaders to kill . How to put an end to something . Kill its adherents

Communism cannot be implemented with totalitarianism. The government needs absolute powers to control means of production, therefore these governments by definition were totalitarian.

Because there were accountable to nobody, they killed opposition groups and sometimes purged certain ethnicities in their bid to maintain total control.

Therefore, I do not agree that their crimes were as a result of faith or lack of it but they are the result of their respective quests for absolute power which is in agreement with their communist ideologies
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:04am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Thanks bro.

Most of them dont get the oppourtunity to discuss their worldview with people around them (they are mostly surrounded by theists, even their families) and so this is the only platform where they can release all that hate.

I've constantly asked them the question: "Why do you want me not to believe in God with you"

None can give a reasonable answer yet.

I asked Decker , an atheist Nairalander , how atheists are better than theists . I'm still waiting for his response . These people just make claims with no proof . Such distasteful conspicuous hate for religious people . I execrate how they feel they are mentally superior simply because they are atheists .

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 1:05am On Jun 06, 2016
winner01:
Bush had no justification whatsoever. In less than 100 years, approximately 158 million souls were lost at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists. For record purposes. The total religious killings (christianity and others) till date is less than 4 million souls lost. Would you term this a coincidence?

You still have completed ignored the fact that all the leaders you mentioned except Hitler were communists. And their quest for absolute power - absolute power is a key requirement for communism - inspired their blood thirtst.
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:07am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


Communism cannot be implemented with totalitarianism. The government needs absolute powers to control means of production, therefore these governments by definition were totalitarian.

Because there were accountable to nobody, they killed opposition groups and sometimes purged certain ethnicities in their bid to maintain total control.

Therefore, I do not agree that their crimes were as a result of faith or lack of it but they are the result of their respective quests for absolute power which is in agreement with their communist ideologies

And to have total control of the people , we kill the religious ones among us . Brilliant , just brilliant .

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 1:10am On Jun 06, 2016
@winners01 and KingEbukasBlog Muslims make this sort of mistake while arguing that Christians have killed in the name of God.

Besides the dark ages of witch burning and the inquisitions, I am yet to see any killing in the name of Christ as opposed to countless killings in the name of Allah.

Even though many Christians have killed in modern times, as long as they did not draw their inspiration from Christians or committed their crimes in the name of christ, it is fallacious to attribute their crime to Christianity. (This was my response to the Muslim)

Now substitute, Christianity for Atheism and it perfectly addresses the main arguments against atheism on this thread

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by Nobody: 1:11am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


But how can you kill something that does not exist ? And is it logical to be obsessed with the non existent ? Isn't that improper and repulsive ? Isn't that written in Romans 1 : 28 ?

Atheists are fighting the god in your mind not the god that exists.

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 1:11am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


And to have total control of the people , we kill the religious ones among us . Brilliant , just brilliant .

Did these dictators kill only believers?
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:12am On Jun 06, 2016
frank317:


If so why can't your money doubling God make you as rich as bill gate or dangote

Very vacuous comment . Bill Gate and Dangote are religious people . Big Billy is a Catholic while Dan G is a Muslim

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by GeneralShepherd(m): 1:15am On Jun 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


And to have total control of the people , we kill the religious ones among us . Brilliant , just brilliant .

Let's look at Pol Pot,

When Cambodian socialists rebelled in the eastern zone in May 1978, Pol Pot's armies could not crush them quickly. On 10 May, his radio broadcast a call not only to "exterminate the 50 million Vietnamese" but also to "purify the masses of the people" of Cambodia. Of 1.5 million easterners, branded as "Khmer bodies with Vietnamese minds", at least 100,000 were exterminated in six months.

Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

Did you read anywhere he said let is exterminate every religionist?
Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:15am On Jun 06, 2016
Akdegreat:


Atheists are fighting the god in your mind not the god that exists.

Another vacuous comment .

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Re: Atheists Express Their Rage Against God Although In Their View, He Doesn't Exist by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:19am On Jun 06, 2016
GeneralShepherd:


Let's look at Pol Pot,

When Cambodian socialists rebelled in the eastern zone in May 1978, Pol Pot's armies could not crush them quickly. On 10 May, his radio broadcast a call not only to "exterminate the 50 million Vietnamese" but also to "purify the masses of the people" of Cambodia. Of 1.5 million easterners, branded as "Khmer bodies with Vietnamese minds", at least 100,000 were exterminated in six months.

Source https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

Did you read anywhere he said let is exterminate every religionist?

And the Vietnamese were very religious at that time , In the 1970s . See ?

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