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| Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 6:53pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Top 10 Reasons Jesus Christ Never Existed Religion is one of the most enduringly powerful forces on earth. Two of the most influential, both today and in the past, Christianity and Islam, believe that Jesus Christ played a pivotal role in both faiths. Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God, born of a virgin birth, was crucified and resurrected for the remission of sins. Muslims believe that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth brought forth by the command of Allah and became one of his most important (and subsequently revered) prophets . Muslims do not believe that Jesus was crucified but that another man died in his place. Whether or not we believe in the existence and life of Christ as a matter of faith most people are prepared to accept that Jesus was a real and verifiable historical figure; that he was born, lived and died in Judea between around 4BC and 33AD. This has been repeated so many times that most people do not ever think to challenge it but should they? Did a man called Jesus, son of Mary (and adoptive son of Joseph) walk the paths of Judea or was he merely a figment of imagination? A group of stories and myths pulled together by a range of cynical individuals for a particular purpose? If you are a Christian, of course, the existence of Christ is a matter of faith but should non-Christians believe in Jesus so readily? 1 Like |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 6:55pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
There is no contemporaneous account of the life of Jesus Jesus does not exist in the historical record. Jesus Christ never existed. Not only is nothing in the bible capable of being directly linked to the time in which Jesus was reputed to be alive but there are absolutely no contemporaneous accounts that speak of Jesus. As far as the historical record is concerned he just did not exist. The Gospels claim that Jesus’ ministry was famous across the region and well known to people such as Herod and Pontius Pilate. In the later part of his ministry it is claimed that he was followed by great multitudes of people and, of course, in one instance that he fed 5,000. There is not a single mention in him in military records or dispatches back to Rome (surely anyone who could command huge gatherings of people in a potentially disruptive province should be of interest). He is not mentioned in the records of Herod’s court nor is he mentioned in the records of the Temple or by any Priests. Surely if he was believed by some to be a prophet and others to be a false prophet some mention of the ructions he was causing in Judean civic and religious society should have been recorded. Some people like to point to the supposed letters of Pontius Pilate as evidence of Jesus’ life but these were a work of fiction. Of course it is possible (although unlikely, the Roman Empire was very efficient) that contemporaneous accounts existed but disappeared. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Thunderlicious: 6:56pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
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| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by dannyben5: 6:57pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
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| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:00pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
All Later Accounts Of The Life Of Jesus Are Pure Hearsay Hearsay? You wouldn’t say that to sassy, playful Jesus. Even though there are no contemporaneous lifetime reports of the existence of Jesus there are references to him in Christian writing and non-Christian texts in the decades after his alleged death. Not a single one of these accounts is a credible account of his life. None of them reference any earlier texts and are therefore nothing more than hearsay and, as such unreliable. If we condemn hearsay evidence as unreliable in our court systems why should it be sufficient to establish the existence of an important historical figure? The evidence that is usually cited in support for the existence of Jesus comes from the writings of Josephus Flavius who was born in 37AD (some years after the crucifixion) and wrote about the life of Jesus in 93AD, after the Gospels were written. He cited no sources for his materials. Similarly Pliny the Younger (born around 62BC, Tacitus (64AD) and Suetonius (69AD) all wrote about Jesus but without any reference to contemporaneous sources. It is likely they got their information from believers but without sources the passages do nothing more than document a social phenomenon. In the previous point we mentioned that it is possible that contemporaneous sources existed but have since been destroyed or disappeared. If they did exist it is likely that these three respected historians (Tacitus in particular was known for the high quality of his research and referencing) would have referred to it directly rather than have relied on hearsay. 1 Like |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:01pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Thunderlicious:Yeah The One Jesus Smoked B4 Crucifixion 2 Likes |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:03pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The Gospels Were Written As Christian Propaganda Christianity and sweet, sweet propaganda! To Christians everywhere the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are the authoritative sources of the happenings of the life of Christ as written by his disciples, those who knew him best and observed his ministry. Originally there were many more Gospels. When the final four were settled on as the orthodox account in the second century the other gospels were denounced as heretical. Copies of these ‘spare’ gospels were found in the Dead Sea, and at Nag Hammadi during the previous century but there is no evidence of who wrote them and none appear to be copies of a contemporaneous source. One of these documents, however, the Gospel of Thomas , does appear to predate the Gospel of Mark. It does not contain any reference to Jesus as a historical figure, as the messiah or any reference to the resurrection. It is, instead, a collection of ‘sayings’. It was denounced as heresy. The fact that the leaders of the early church denounced this original Gospel in favor of four mostly narrative pieces of writing, shows that they were selecting works for the purpose of creating an evidentiary trail for the existence of Jesus. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:06pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The Gospels Are Unlikely To Have Been Written By Disciples Who Knew Jesus. Jesus would’ve been long dead before any his gospels were written. The Gospel of Mark, although the second in the New Testament, was the first to be written, probably around 70AD while the gospel of John was written in around 90AD. Nowhere in any of the gospels do the authors identify themselves as the disciples and their companions of the same name. The average life expectancy in Judea at the time of Christ and shortly thereafter was around 29-30 years. Although that number is an average and people did live to an old age very few of them made it to 50 (around 4%) and even fewer to 70 (2%). Shortly after the Crucifixion was meant to have taken place the Jewish wars decimated the population of Judea. Many of those who would have known Jesus personally (in the event he had existed) would most likely have been caught up in the war. The disciples were probably about the same age as Jesus or perhaps just a few years younger. This would have made the disciples around 70 years old at the time the Gospel of Mark was written and over 90 at the time John was authored. It is, therefore almost impossible for the disciples to have authored the Gospels. It is far more likely that they were penned by much younger men. Mark, as the original Gospel appears to have served as the source material for the gospels of Matthew and Luke and there are significant overlaps between those three. Each author changes the narrative slightly to suit the ptime in which they are writing and the target audience their news is aimed at. John is the most troubling of all the gospels and appears to have been written by a number of different authors. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:09pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The Earliest Books Of The New Testament, The Epistles Of Paul, Do Not Ever Refer To Jesus As A Living Being. The epistle Paul was extremely bossy and took joytelling people how to live. He didn’t know Jesus. The Epistles of St Paul are the earliest books of the New Testament but St Paul did not know Jesus during his supposed lifetime. St Paul was born in around 10 AD to an Israelite family. He served as a tax collector and was well known for his anti-Christian views and is said to have participated in the stoning of St Stephen. He became one of the most high profile converts to the new religion when he was said to have had a divine vision of the risen Christ on the road to Damascus. He was subsequently baptized and went to Arabia before returning to work on behalf of the early church. He made long journeys around the Mediterranean during which he spread the word and wrote his now famous epistles. 13 of the Epistles, which predate both Acts and the Gospels were included in the New Testament but only 7 of them (Philemon, Romans, Corinthians I, II, Philippians, Thessalonians I and Galatians) are considered to have been written by him directly. Paul would not, of course, have known Jesus personally but he makes no claim of such knowledge in his epistles. Indeed he makes practically no references to an earthly life for Jesus instead advising fellow Christians on how to live their lives. In this way Paul sets out what it means to be a Christian, creating a framework which has survived to this day. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Angelo45(m): 7:12pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
I know u will go on and argue over and again till u get tired. I'm not here for arguments though but I noticed from your profile you are an atheist. So I just want to ask you a question Who is responsible for the air that you breath? |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:12pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The New Testament Was Designed To Promote Christianity Not Document Historical Fact. The new testament. Like New Coke but with more staying power. In the early years of Christianity there were a number of different and competing interpretations. We have already mentioned the wealth of different books and gospels that were l discovered at the Dead Sea and Nag Hammadi. Many of these writings followed a gnostic tradition that was at odds with what became the orthodox interpretation of Christianity. In the second century Irenaeus of Lyon started to codify the New Testament and identified the four Gospels which we use today as part of the Canon, rejecting all other interpretations. He wrote eloquently and vehemently in his book Against Heresies to establish exactly what should be included and excluded in the definition of Christianity. Our modern day New Testament is, therefore, very much one man’s vision and interpretation of what Christianity should be. Irenaeus was not interested in documenting the facts, he was interested in setting out his beliefs and ensuring that others followed him. This tradition has been well entrenched in the Church over the succeeding centuries with any sects deemed as heretical being put down violently or even eliminated altogether (eg the Cathars). Writing towards the end of the 4 Century St Jerome said ‘a ssurance often explains that of which it knows nothing; and when it has convinced others imposes on itself. ’. The thoroughly unpleasant Ignatius Loyola famously said that he was willing to believe that white is black if required to by the church. Why should the early Christian zealots have been any different? They were not, their behavior set the tone for the rest of the church through history and for that reason we should be extremely skeptical of the New Testament and any claims it makes about the life of Jesus. It is nothing more than a propaganda treatise. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:14pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Angelo45:I Guess That Should Be Nature Did That Answer Ur Question?? |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:17pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
There Is No Historical Evidence Of An Eclipse, Earthquake Or Rending Of The Veil In The Temple Supposed To Have Happened At The Moment Of Jesus’ Death. There is no historical evidence of an eclipse occuring after Jesus’s supposed death. The Gospel of Matthew (Chapter 27) and the Gospel of Luke (Chapter 23) give an in-depth account of the events of the crucifixion. Both agree that there was a sudden darkness (possibly an eclipse or a dust cloud from a volcano) that fell on the land between the 6 and 9 hours of the day. They also explain that at the moment of Jesus’ death ‘the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent’. The earthquake is said to have been so severe that the graves of the dead burst open which must have been an extremely traumatic event, particularly when combined with an eclipse. Except it did not happen! Key events such as earthquakes and eclipses would have been recorded in detail by contemporary historians and an earthquake severe enough to burst graves would have been recorded both by the Jewish court and by the Roman administrators. There are no secular records at all of any relief efforts being sent to Jerusalem or of any rebuilding works. Finally the veil in the temple was extremely precious and any damage to it would have been recorded. The only explanation for this lack of reporting is thatthe earthquake and eclipse simply did not occur, at least not in that time and place. There were contemporary earthquakes elsewhere in the Empire (to which aid was sent) and we know that earthquakes happened in Jerusalem over that period but nothing in the geologic record can pin one exactly to the alleged date and time of the crucifixion. Indeed the only sources to link an eclipse (or volcanic debris) are Christian, clearly trying to establish a link between the supposed death of Jesus and the divine. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Angelo45(m): 7:18pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Lilbrown007:And who is responsible for nature? |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:19pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
There Are No Tangible Historical Artifacts Linked To Jesus. The Shroud of Turin was revealed as a fake. Anyone who has lived, even a simple carpenter, will leave possessions after their death. The Gospels claim that the soldiers on duty at the crucifixion cast lots to share out Jesus’ clothing amongst them. Had he really had many devoted disciples (who would have been disgusted at their failure to protect him in the Garden) they or his grieving family would surely have tried to purchase or barter back the clothing. Such items would have been invaluable in the formation of the new church. Nevertheless, nothing, absolutely nothing from Jesus’ life remained, even shortly after his demise. In the 12 Century people started to mention that they owned the shroud in which Jesus had been wrapped and, years later it surfaced in Turin. It was accepted as a genuine artifact for many years but carbon dating in the 20 Century showed it to be a 12 Century forgery. An ossuary claiming to hold the bones of James, brother of Jesus was also found to be a forgery. There is not one single, verifiable, tangible object in existence today or known to have existed at any time in the past 2,000 years that belonged to Jesus. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:21pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Angelo45:Nature Is Responsible For Nature Like We Humans Are Responsible For Our Action Or Do U Object?? Are You Responsible For Ur Actions? |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:22pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The City Of Nazareth Did Not Exist During The Time Jesus Is Reputed To Have Been Alive. The City of Nazareth is old but not Jesus old. Jesus Christ never existed. Jesus was known as the Nazarene, possibly because he is reputed to have been from Nazareth. For many people there is no reason to doubt this claim. Nazareth exists today, an old town with a long history (and one very famous son) but while Nazareth is old, it is not as old as Jesus or even Christianity. The historian Josephus lists all the cities in Galilee from around that time and Nazareth is not on the list. Nazareth is not mentioned in the Epistles, the first books of the New Testament to be written (see above), indeed there is no reference to the name until the Gospels. Excavations of the current day Nazareth and the surrounding area have led to mixed results. Evidence of human activity has been found from around the time when Jesus was alleged to have lived there but this activity was in the form of a necropolis for the dead and not a village in its own right. An alternative translation of the word Nazarene is ‘truth’ and was a name given to a gnostic sect of Christians. It is possible that when the traditions split and the gnostic heritage was excised from Christianity the phrase was reimagined to state that Jesus was from Nazareth which, of course, was by then in existence. 1 Like |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:25pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
The Life History Of Jesus Parallels That Of Other Mythical Beings Too Closely To Be Real. Jesus Christ never existed but rather his life was modeled on other prior mystical figures like Osiris and Horus. Children who grow up in Western societies, even if not formally educated in the Christian ltradition, are aware of the amazing life story of Jesus. He was conceived and born in a stable to a virgin (Mary), escaped death at the hands of a tyrant (Herod) in his infancy, grew to be a precociously knowledgeable child, started his ministry of preaching before giving himself to be sacrificed, resurrecting after death and giving rise to a new covenant for the remission of sins. It is a story full of wonder and hope and, for many people it would appear unique and it is an article of deep faith and belief for billions of Christians around the world. Sadly it is not unique. The story of Jesus is no more original than any modern day knock off of Romeo and Juliet. Many mythologies have a Christ like character whose story is set around the same pattern. Osiris, the Egyptian god of the underworld had a very similar life story and the ancient Egyptians celebrated his ‘passion’ with gusto. Osiris’ son, Horus was born to a virgin in a cave with a star overhead. He was visited by shepherds and gods. Horus was said to be the ‘light of the world’. He started to become active aged about 30 and many miracles were attributed to him that also appear in the gospels including walking on water and letting the blind see again. But the similarities do not stop there. Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a virgin woman; he was able to turn water into wine and was killed and resurrected. Attis, another Greek god was honored every spring in a ritual in which his effigy was buried and believed to rise again after three days. Hercules was reputed to be another god/virgin offspring who was killed and rose again. Perhaps the now defunct Christ figure with the most surprisingly similar story was Mithras whose life was an almost exact parallel, his worshipers even celebrated his birthday on 25 December. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:32pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
CHRISTIANITY = RELIGION BUILT ON LIES
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| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Angelo45(m): 7:36pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Lilbrown007: I almost started laughing when I saw this post but it will be unwise to do so. I know u will continue being adamant and not see what is happening around you. But I want to say this, JESUS is Lord I am a witness to this and my prayer for you my friend is for the heavens to open your eyes to truth. God bless your heart. |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:48pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Angelo45:Common Are U Trying To Run Away Like They Always Do?? How Does This Trash U Wrote Up There Answer Any Of My Questions?? I Thought U Were Mature Enough To Have A Lucid Conversation With  Well Am Disappointed1 Like |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Etfash(m): 8:38pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Lilbrown007: Will you argue with me if I'm meeting you for the first time and I say your name isn't what you say it is? I don't think any wise and serious person would. You may just consider me a clown, if you are generous, or a psychotic. The reason is simple: you are sure! Now, if you claim that there is no God, why do you always want to argue about it? In my opinion, you are not certain about your claim. People who are convinced that God exists or not don't argue. My advice: something as vital as one's eternal destiny shouldn't be left to chance. Strive to know and be convinced - to what extent can you go to have a good life? You should do more to ensure you get on the right path. If you want to be atheist, be sure you are on the right path. If you have the slightest thought that God might just exist, then I congratulate you because it isn't late for you; run to Christ. Lastly, the most important things in our lives are not visible... Don't be deceived into believing only what you can see and feel. God is real and so is his Christ. 4 Likes |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 8:49pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Etfash:Well I Have A Birth Cert As A Proof If U Wanna Go That Lane Am Not Arguing Am Bringing Out Fact That Am Certain Of Too Bad U Cant Distinguish That Any Evidence Of Christ Existing That You Have?? If Not Then Go And Sit Down U Don't Know What You Are Doing |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Etfash(m): 9:47pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Lilbrown007: I know it's a faceless platform but, be careful how you talk to people. You can present your birth document and someone still disbands it. Do you go ahead and prove anything to him? As for me proving to you that Christ exists... I know who I was and who I am - countless claims can't change that. Cheers! 4 Likes |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 9:51pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Etfash:Whatever Keep Telling Yourself That Lie Till You Believe It |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Etfash(m): 10:10pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
Lilbrown007: On the contrary, I started by believing, then I began to experience the change. What was your contribution towards coming into the world as a male? What is the difference between you and a dead body? What do you breathe; is it air? If it is air, why can't one just blow air into a cadaver? Have you ever found yourself failing to do what you planned, even though you made every effort to; or doing what you have vowed not to do? If yes, do you accept that you don't have full control even over yourself? When you look in the mirror who do you see? Yourself? Definitely not - you cannot see yourself in a mirror because, the real you have no body. Have you ever been out of your casing (body) before? There are many things you should endeavor to prove before going to prove the existence of the source of all things. Your search should be from within, then outside. 3 Likes |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jun 18, 2016 |
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| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Anas09: 12:05am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Lilbrown007:These people eh. I thought you said Jesus never existed? Now he is crucified? How does a man who never existed got crucified? You spent time copying all the note, but uses only one line to strike the very base of tour argument and you shattered everything. "There was no Jesus, yet he smoked weed before getting crucified". You are confused man. Check your head. 3 Likes |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 12:17am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Anas09:Kia Joke Were Did Ur Humor Went?? |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Nobody: 7:50am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Wait, you said Muslim do not believe he is.. , so that means they affirm His existence too. where'd you get this? You're implying ISIS is mad and of no purpose too My bad, didn't even read it all. Why: Feels like another old settled thread from the nairaland tsunami Good morning |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Ranchhoddas: 10:06am On Jun 19, 2016 |
Angelo45:Spiderman |
| Re: Reasons Why Jesus Christ Never Existed by Cozystuff(f): 11:47am On Jun 19, 2016 |
One major attribute of an atheist; They claim there is no God but still make all post about God,follow all the post about God, comment on all the post about God in anger to claim there is God in an effort to assure themselves that they are right cos they know deep down they might be fooling themselves. 3 Likes |
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