Yes we should. Mark 12:17

Originalsly:
Was there ever a Godly governmemt?...hmmm.....funny Christians! .... wasn't Jesus crucified because he refused to go along with the authorities/law of the land? Why were Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego thrown into the pit of fire?...and saved by God? Hmmm.....Christians not sure which is follow...the laws of the land or the laws of God.

Are you guys aware that Christianity is not the only religion in Nigeria, if you say biblical laws should supersede state laws, then the Muslims is right when they say Shari'a laws should be superior to the constitution. IFA worshippers could also insist Ifa laws should supersede state laws. What you are advocating for is anarchy.
Religion and state must be separated to avoid anarch .

Isnt this line of thought exactly what brought about Boko Haram in the North?

mmsen:


Cowardice is immoral.

Submission to those who do evil is to silently comply with evil doers.

Doesn't the Bible say something about a man not being able to serve two masters? How then does one serve good and evil simultaneously.

The same bible refers to rebellion as the sin of witchcraft.

You forget that God rules over both the good and evil, and he has subjected the earth to rulers, powers and principalities that are evil, that in fact are fighting against His own people.

The problem with today is we have equated democracy, human rights and equality with Godliness. God is not democratic. He's a King, and respects order, he works through the systems of authority in place over men. Godly or not, they are answerable to God...

Hebrews 13:17 |

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Meshack Shadrack and Abednego did not rebel against the Kingship of the Babylonians King. They only refused to worship his God. He was an evil King, did not know God, but they served him. So did Daniel, and God prospered them in Babylon. Daniel received his visions as a faithful servant of several Babylonian Kings. That's how it works.

Now compare the success of Daniel in Babylon to His last king in Israel who refused to surrender to evil Babylon despite the words of several prophets like Jeremiah, and had his eyes gorged out, his sons killed and the kingdom taken.

Submit to your leader/ boss/ senior/ husband/ parents/ teachers etc... whether your boss is kind or not. 1 Pt 2:18

Muafrika2:


The same bible refers to rebellion as the sin of witchcraft.

You forget that God rules over both the good and evil, and he has subjected the earth to rulers, powers and principalities that are evil, that in fact are fighting against His own people.

The problem with today is we have equated democracy, human rights and equality with Godliness. God is not democratic. He's a King, and respects order, he works through the systems of authority in place over men. Godly or not, they are answerable to God...

Hebrews 13:17 |

Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.

Meshack Shadrack and Abednego did not rebel against the Kingship of the Babylonians King. They only refused to worship his God. He was an evil King, did not know God, but they served him. So did Daniel, and God prospered them in Babylon. Daniel received his visions as a faithful servant of several Babylonian Kings. That's how it works.

Now compare the success of Daniel in Babylon to His last king in Israel who refused to surrender to evil Babylon despite the words of several prophets like Jeremiah, and had his eyes gorged out, his sons killed and the kingdom taken.

I don't equate anything good with 'godliness'. I know what it means to keep people mentally enslaved, that is the very purpose of the god myth.

The Bible does a good job of spreading confusion and internal discord. In that regard it serves its purpose.

wirinet:


Are you guys aware that Christianity is not the only religion in Nigeria, if you say biblical laws should supersede state laws, then the Muslims is right when they say Shari'a laws should be superior to the constitution. IFA worshippers could also insist Ifa laws should supersede state laws. What you are advocating for is anarchy.
Religion and state must be separated to avoid anarch .

I'm in no way advocating anarchy. Ignoring state laws that run counter to your religion is not the same as imposing your religion's law on the state. Christians, Muslims, Jews etc in general do put their laws above any other.

I like this. The summary of all is " give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what's God's". I am That I am is all our Directives and Decisions. Always Pray, Listen and hear Him when He speaks to you. For He alone can instruct you how and when to bear Arms against your enemies. Be patient always. Don't be mad at anything anytime for God is always watching, instructing, directing, discerning and judging everyone every time.

the problem with humans today is that we look outwards for solutions to our problems wherein the solutions lie within us—in a secret place. no government laws or policies will ever better the laws of the spirit, which is universal. Jesus was not bound by human laws yet he never broke any. why? he kept the laws of the spirit.

iliyande:

The answer is no.

No doubt you're affiliated with witnesses, wrong?

joseph1832:
OP! The truth is, you are free to disobey government even when they go against the scripture, yes, its your God given right, your freedom of expression that no body can take, except death. However, I'll have you know, when you indeed choose to disobey government and get thrown in prison, even your God will not come to your rescue, like he did with Paul and Silas.

This my friend, is the difference between harsh reality and standard dogma. The truth is staring at you, you can choose to ignore it.

This is not only correct, concise, true but also biblical.

If you think No, just make sure that your AK47 is bigger that the governments. Moreover, a Celestial one once said
"Give unto Caesar what belongs to Caesar and give unto God what belongs to God"

Your choice of what is godly or ungodly is personal. Your civic duty to government is for the common good of all.

And who decides which government is ungodly?
My friend you're beginning to sound like a radical Islamist, be careful of the garbage you take in.
Peace

wirinet:


Are you guys aware that Christianity is not the only religion in Nigeria, if you say biblical laws should supersede state laws, then the Muslims is right when they say Shari'a laws should be superior to the constitution. IFA worshippers could also insist Ifa laws should supersede state laws. What you are advocating for is anarchy.
Religion and state must be separated to avoid anarch .

Nigeria is a secular nation but religious people are fond of ignoring section 10 of the constitution:

10. The Government of the Federation or of a State shall not adopt any religion as State Religion.

There's a lot of ambiguity in the constitution but the above is clear.

That they cannot respect that most simple of requests is proof that religion is about power, prestige and control. Morality is, at best, a secondary concern for the religiously inclined.

1b8m:
the problem with humans today is that we look outwards for solutions to our problems wherein the solutions lie within us—in a secret place. no government laws or policies will ever better the laws of the spirit, which is universal. Jesus was not bound by human laws yet he never broke any. why? he kept the laws of the spirit.

Boko Haram also claim to be moved by the 'spirit'.

We need to look inwards to solutions but there are no spirits or deities that will solve our problems for us.

dukie25:
It's the duty of Christians to disobey any law that's in conflict with their beliefs.
This is why Christians should stand together against Aregbe who is trying to Islamize osun state.

Do you know this was the same message passed to BH members? Standing against the government

TeamSimple:

Do you know this was the same message passed to BH members? Standing against the government

Is that so?

TeamSimple:

Do you know this was the same message passed to BH members? Standing against the government

It's perfectly reasonable for people to react to an unjust government but anyone defending religious ideas is not fit for life in the 21st century.

I will never understand how people can go to work and return to a home without steady electricity and protest about religion. Such people have their priorities are screwed up.

dukie25:
It's the duty of Christians to disobey any law that's in conflict with their beliefs.
This is why Christians should stand together against Aregbe who is trying to Islamize osun state.

And how are Christians going to stand against Aregbe who is trying to Islamize Nigeria? Strap a bomb and kill yourself and Muslims? or throw bomb into a Mosque?
What happens to the courts? Are Christians encouraged to disregard the legal system also?

orisa37:
I like this. The summary of all is " give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what's God's". I am That I am is all our Directives and Decisions. Always Pray, Listen and hear Him when He speaks to you. For He alone can instruct you how and when to bear Arms against your enemies. Be patient always. Don't be mad at anything anytime for God is always watching, instructing, directing, discerning and judging everyone every time.

You could not have said this better than ISIS or Boko Haram

There are two demons yet to kill,these two demons called religion and politics are the source s of all evils!

I stop reading when I got to:

"When systems become ungodly and anti-Christian, they are no longer properly representing God and should not be obeyed."

Meaning if it is against any other religious group, it is okay?

That is the same mentality and reasoning Adolf Hitler had, the Nazis were not anti-christians but anti- Jews and so the holocaust was justified, abi?
SMH

The right people to answer this question are shedrach,meshach and abednego.though av not gone thru d write-up

First, who owns the government of the world? Answer..... Matthew 4:8,9 And he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me Revelation 11:15 The seventh Angel blew his trumpet and there were loud voices in heaven, saying: 'The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his christ and he will rule as king forever and ever. From the scriptures above, Satan rules the world as well Satan is the right owner of the kingdom of the world. Therefore the animalistic tendency shown by the rulers of the world today. Therefore there policies will always come against divine direction. That is why the government of the world fight war, filled with corrupt practices e.t.c. So tell me what support are you expected to lend to what belongs to Satan but were allowed to continue in their relative position by the ruler of the sovereign universe God.

Perhaps the support will include the civic right and responsibilities that do not conflict with divine principles.

mmsen:


Cowardice is immoral.

Submission to those who do evil is to silently comply with evil.

Doesn't the Bible say something about a man not being able to serve two masters? How then does one serve good and evil simultaneously.

brave man go and fight d government

dont think there's any such thing as becoming unGodly. A government led by people without the fear of GoD, is definitly an ungodly Govt.. jesus lived in an ungodly society, daniel, shadrach, etc and they all left us an example to follow..so long as you are giving the govt what is theirs(tax, religious tolerance, etc) and not denying God what is HIS,(obedience, righteousness,etc) then you gat no problem

Couldn't have said it better, We obey when it aligns with the word of God but disobey when it contradicts.

For the most part, Nigerian government hasn't got any law against the word of God.
Like America who will punish one for not making wedding cake for a gay couple. We should be able to decline what we don't see inline with our faith.

Christians can have tolerance but not forced to do what is considered evil according to the bible.

tosinjay:
Couldn't have said it better, We obey when it aligns with the word of God but disobey when it contradicts.

What do you do when the word of god contradicts itself?

Or when your religious leaders contradict the word of god?

mmsen:


What do you do when the word of god contradicts itself?

Or when your religious leaders contradict the word of god?

What i said isn't about the word of God contradiction of itself but the law of the authority and that of the word of God.

The word of God does not contradict itself as we compare Scripture with Scriptures inline with the new covenant.

If the religious leader contradict the word we know he's either ignorant or a false leader, the word is above any one.