HardMirror:

And how high were the flood waters?
We are talking about flood waters that covered a mountain that is over 5000meters high do you even have an idea how high that is?

Why I said to understand you must have 4 things

1. The bible
2. Ability to read and understand english
3. Common sense
4. Sincerity

You obviously lack 3 out of this 4. Your guess is as good as mine.

Do you know what sea level is? Do you know what it means when an area is above or below sea level?

Some areas are usually a few meters below sea level usually not much maybe 5meters. If a flood happens in such an area, the water won't spread out if the flood height is below 5meters.
Such a flood will cover houses but it is contained. But we are talking of 5,000 METERS!!!! here. Such a water will cover the whole world except mountains taller than 5000 meters. There is no place on land that is even 100meters below sea level. Talkless of 5000 meters.

The problem is christianity and most religions are founded on stubbornness and stupidity. You see obvious facts but are determined to remain foolish. Why? Because you think if there is one God that would punish you if you dare question the bible.

Sometimes a man has to pause and think about his life. Is my belief founded on truth?
Imagine people who worship trees, rocks, imagine the greeks who worshiped Apollo, Zeus and those gods we all know are not real. Imagine Romans who worshiped jupiter. Imagin Indians who worship AmonRa (the monkey god)

Take a moment and imagine all these people, they would all defend their gods even tho you and I know those gods are nothing but myths.
Now do you think your god is different? You think those people don't experience "miracles" in their religions too?

Fear will keep you ignorant. Stay ignorant if it makes you feel safe

HardMirror:

To be able to comment meaningfully to on this thread you need the following.

1. A Bible
2. Ability to read and understand English
3. Common sense
4. Sincerity

Now let me assume you have this 4 things. Go back to your bible.

- the bible clearly states that the waters rose and covered ALL the mountains.
Ok ok, let's follow your logic. Let's assume it was only refering to mountains around where noah was. Do you thing such volume of water won't spread around the world? Water will all ways find it's level and for that height it is sure to cover the whole earth.

- the bible clearly mentions MT. Ararat. This mountain is 5000meters high and the ark landed on this mountain. This mountain would have been one of the mountains that the bible said was covered completely.

Now can you see you are not making sense?

HardMirror:
PENGUINS
[img]http://www.animalia-life.com/image.php?pic=/data_images/penguin/penguin7.jpg[/img]

Penguins are ONLY found in icy regions of the southernmost parts of the earth. Such as Antarctica, southern africa and america and very cold icy islands around this regions.

PLEASE how did Two penguins walk across Africa and the great hot deserts along the way toward mesopotamia where Noah's ark was?

Then after the flood how did they walk back?

Penguins can't fly and only eat fish

What fish were they eating on the journey?

Think...
When you read of obatala and the greek gods, you lAugh at how ridiculous the stories are. Take a moment to think about the origin of the bible and what you hold as truth, how different is it from tales of other religions you laugh at?

Augustap:

Come to think of this op, sea creatures needs water to survive, God gave them enough through the rain, do you think they were in the boat, if in your own opinion they were not in the boat, start calculating afresh and subtract sea creatures.

ramonchang:
Ah..stumbled upon this thread yesterday(still reading) and it is so clear we Africans still have a long way to go ..funny thing is we have not even started .

I ll go straight to the point. story of noah is a copy n paste of epic of gilgamesh..a poem from babylonia which is itself a copy n paste of epic of atra hasis which is also a copy n paste of a story about ziusudra of shurrupak...
Here is a link to a youtube video to get you started


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_um69RqBpSw

Do your own research n with open mind ye shall see the truth n the truth shall set you free ....bible is not a revelation from some god, it is a story book.. a very interesting one though

HardMirror:
The Ridiculous number of animals noah had to save
Noah was to save all the animals on earth.
It is estimated that there are over 7.7 million animal species on earth!


Insects alone accounts for about 950,000 of this
Let's take the average weight of an insect to be 10 grammes, that is about 9,500kg and they were taken male and female so that is multiplied by 2 which give 19,000. That is 19tonnes for insects only.
At least 1,900,000 insects were in the ark.
There are 12,000 different species of ants alone!


Over 1,100 different types of rodents ; rats, mice, chimpmunks, rabbits etc
So at least 2,200 rodents were on board



There are 5 species of elephants
So at least 10 elephants were on board

There are over 50 types of goat and sheeps

The list goes on and on

So in the end 7.7 million species on the ark

Unclean animals must be in twos

All birds must be in 7pairs (14 birds)

All clean animals must be in 7 pairs (14 animals)

So this means the number of animals on board must have been over 20 million or even as much as 40 million!!!!

PLease how would 20 million animals breath inside the ark? What will they eat? What happens to their urine and feaces ?

HardMirror:
The Ridiculous number of animals noah had to save
Noah was to save all the animals on earth.
It is estimated that there are over 7.7 million animal species on earth!


Insects alone accounts for about 950,000 of this
Let's take the average weight of an insect to be 10 grammes, that is about 9,500kg and they were taken male and female so that is multiplied by 2 which give 19,000. That is 19tonnes for insects only.
At least 1,900,000 insects were in the ark.
There are 12,000 different species of ants alone!


Over 1,100 different types of rodents ; rats, mice, chimpmunks, rabbits etc
So at least 2,200 rodents were on board



There are 5 species of elephants
So at least 10 elephants were on board

There are over 50 types of goat and sheeps

The list goes on and on

So in the end 7.7 million species on the ark

Unclean animals must be in twos

All birds must be in 7pairs (14 birds)

All clean animals must be in 7 pairs (14 animals)

So this means the number of animals on board must have been over 20 million or even as much as 40 million!!!!

PLease how would 20 million animals breath inside the ark? What will they eat? What happens to their urine and feaces ?

HardMirror:
You will find the story of Noah and the Flood in the book of Genesis Chpt 6,7 and 8.

These are the 3 chapters I will be quoting from.

The synopsis of this story is that people became very evil, God regretted creating man, God found Noah to be the only righteous man, God saves Noah and his family by revealing the impending plan to flood the earth. Noah builds ark, rain falls and flood the earth. Noah and his family along with all animals with him survives.

Before we go far, the BIG QUESTION IS, COULD THIS HAVE EVER happened? Could the whole earth be truly covered by water?

GENESIS 7:18-20 "18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits"

Wonderful!

For us to accept this we must Note verse 19 that says the water covers ALL mountains under the heavens INCLUDING mount EVEREST that is 8,800 meters tall!

How much water will be needed for this to be achieved?

CALCULATION
Volume of water above all mountains = (Volume of earth+water above highest peak)V2 - (volume of earth)V1

volume of a sphere, V=4/3πr³.

Radius of the Earth is 6,371KM

V1= 1,083,642,907,017.5 Cubic kilometers

To get V2 we must add the height of the highest peak which is mount Everest(which is 8.8km) to the radius of the earth at sea level.
R2= 6,371 + 8.8 = 6,379.8KM

Using the formula V=4/3πr³.

V2=1,088,139,486,240.6 Cubic Kilometer (which will be the new volume of the earth when totally covered with water)

So the added volume is V2-V1
=4,496,579,223.1 Cubic kilometers of water!

Stay tuned we just got started

HardMirror:
Unclean animals must be in twos

All birds must be in 7pairs (14 birds)

All clean animals must be in 7 pairs (14 animals)

SO THIS GUY AFTER CREATING ALL ANIMALS DECIDED TO BAN SOME AND CALLED THEM UNCLEAN, JUST THE SAME WAY HE CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE, BUT MADE A VERY TERRIBLE MISTAKE WHICH NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED CENTURIES LATER BY CUTTING OFF A PORTION OF MALE BABIES PENĮSES.

HardMirror:
You will find the story of Noah and the Flood in the book of Genesis Chpt 6,7 and 8.

These are the 3 chapters I will be quoting from.

The synopsis of this story is that people became very evil, God regretted creating man, God found Noah to be the only righteous man, God saves Noah and his family by revealing the impending plan to flood the earth. Noah builds ark, rain falls and flood the earth. Noah and his family along with all animals with him survives.

Before we go far, the BIG QUESTION IS, COULD THIS HAVE EVER happened? Could the whole earth be truly covered by water?

GENESIS 7:18-20 "18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits"

Wonderful!

For us to accept this we must Note verse 19 that says the water covers ALL mountains under the heavens INCLUDING mount EVEREST that is 8,800 meters tall!

How much water will be needed for this to be achieved?

CALCULATION
Volume of water above all mountains = (Volume of earth+water above highest peak)V2 - (volume of earth)V1

volume of a sphere, V=4/3πr³.

Radius of the Earth is 6,371KM

V1= 1,083,642,907,017.5 Cubic kilometers

To get V2 we must add the height of the highest peak which is mount Everest(which is 8.8km) to the radius of the earth at sea level.
R2= 6,371 + 8.8 = 6,379.8KM

Using the formula V=4/3πr³.

V2=1,088,139,486,240.6 Cubic Kilometer (which will be the new volume of the earth when totally covered with water)

So the added volume is V2-V1
=4,496,579,223.1 Cubic kilometers of water!

Stay tuned we just got started

Aaronsrod:


LIES from the pit of Hell!! Satan has planted this stories to spread confusion! We are the sons daughters and coheirs of Noah and Davids line. If the Bible is not true how come we have male and female of every animal?

CAPSLOCKED:


SO THIS GUY AFTER CREATING ALL ANIMALS DECIDED TO BAN SOME AND CALLED THEM UNCLEAN, JUST THE SAME WAY HE CREATED MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE, BUT MADE A VERY TERRIBLE MISTAKE WHICH NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED CENTURIES LATER BY CUTTING OFF A PORTION OF MALE BABIES PENĮSES.

DesChyko:
Well, from a mathematician's point of view, irrespective of how realistic your views are, it is not enough to shut my brains out to possibilities. The possibility that even after a forest fire, you'ld find that green seedling survived what trees couldn't. The possibility that the school dunce wins the social gathering prize. Defies logic but it's reality. That's what we call Epsilon €, the unexplained random variable. The little insignificant that effects big changes in the long run, sequel to the rule that error moves in a triangular pattern.

TATIME:
The stories were written by men who lived all their lives as citizens of one country, they never discover that there are places where the waters were locked up as ice! Not until Christopher Columbus traveled around the globe! So whoever claims to be truly intelligent should think deeply before condemning what those men penned down. Undoubtedly they were inspired by someone far greater and much more intelligent than all those who have ever lived on this planet!

LordReed:


LoL! This your theory holds no water (pun intended). The story does not mention ice at the polar regions so why are you referring to it.

LordReed:


LoL! This your theory holds no water (pun intended). The story does not mention ice at the polar regions so why are you referring to it.

HardMirror:
even if it does, would the waters rise above all mountains?

HardMirror:
even if it does, would the waters rise above all mountains?

TATIME:
You're correct!

LordReed:


It won't but TATIME wants to shoehorn science into the fairytale by all means.