You just have just said my mind and may Allah SWT continuing to bless you with more knowledge.

ShiaMuslim:


You actually think it is only Muslims (in particular Wahhabis) who are destroying Muslim countries without America's complicity? There's no Muslim country on fire that American hand or the hand of its puppets was not used to kindle the fire. American meddling is setting the Middle East on fire. In every Muslim country they try to impose their rules or have imposed their rules. Otherwise peace will not reign. You name them.

In 1953, the CIA engineered a coup in Iran that overthrew a democratically elected government. Since the Islamic Revolution led by Ayatollah Khomeini, there is one conspiracy after another to topple the Islamic regime or to make it restless. Name any country and you'd find American hand.

Seun:
As a muslim, would you prefer to live in an Islamic country governed by Islamic laws and principles, rather than a secular country which defends the rights of women, muslims, christians, atheists, lesbians, gays, scantily clad babes, drinkers, and all minorities, and treats them equally?

If your answer is 'yes,' what are some of the ways in which you feel that an Islamic country would be better for your life than a secular country?

Hypocrisy is all i can say.................... Muslims prefer to live in western countries than muslim countries.

Even the saudi arabia, dubai, qatar e.t.c wont accept syrian refugees. Syrian refugees would not like to live in those country too. They prefer to live in liberal countries of western Europe, USA, Australia, Canada or Britain.
Also. The top 10 countries watching online porn in the world are muslims. Too much hyprocricy in Islam.

eitsei:
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Qatar... I won't think twice before going to any of the above listed countries but most preferably Saudi Arabia, if I have the opportunity.
Living in Saudi Arabia will give me the opportunity to live in a peaceful country where I will be able to practice my religion as Allah wants it, where life and properties are rightly secured.
Human rights is not abused in Saudi Arabia as long as it does not go against the tenets of Islam

An African striving to live in a country that hates blacks? Wow

makzeze:
let me ask u first, are u a muslim?
pls be informed there is no any other religion that protects the right of women and other religions like Islam does.

secondly, Islam helps other category of people you mentioned like the gays and the rest by ensuring they are prevented from engaging in such acts through stipper penalties as ordained by Allah.

First of all.... Islam is one if the worst religion in terms of women and child rights
The idea that a grown man can marry a 9 year old girl is totally appauling. Secondly, women are like properties in islam, thats why she must obey are husband snd her husband is allowed to hit her if she misbehaves.
Do you realize in Saudi Arabia, Women are not allowef to drive? They are not even allowed to go out on their own without a male companion who must be a relative or her husband.

shinarambo1:
Even the saudi arabia, dubai, qatar e.t.c wont accept syrian refugees. Syrian refugees would not like to live in those country too. They prefer to live in liberal countries of western Europe, USA, Australia, Canada or Britain.
Also. The top 10 countries watching online porn in the world are muslims. Too much hyprocricy in Islam.

Don't mind them. According to the Koran Mohammed beheaded many ppl, fornicated with under age girls, raped many ppl wives.

And he terrorized many ppl


No be me talk am e dey for Una book

Afrokan:


Do you realize in Saudi Arabia, Women are not allowef to drive? They are not even allowed to go out on their own without a male companion who must be a relative or her husband.

Women can now drive i believe.

Lagusta:
@lexiconkabir....

I believe women should have places in government, as special advisers or councillors.... because people have always been seeking council of the mothers of believers (the prophet's wives).... and if there was anything wrong with that,the companions would have frowned at it.....

Logic would even tell us that the best person to give counsel to a woman is surely another woman, you know women like themselves nah.....

And yep, since you want proof about women's rights in Saudi, hold on please. . ..

Why cant a woman be the Queen of Saudi, why cant a woman drive?

shinarambo1:

Women can now drive i believe.

Woman are seen as properties and lesser beings to men.
Up till now women can neither drive nor move about freely

Salam alekun @all....I think everyone has a point but we are having this argument because of perspective issues, and we are mistaking Arab countries for Islamic countries... Being Arab does not make one a better muslim, what Islam real preaches is not where you are from but what you know and practice, Ironically Rasulilahi (S.A.w) said somethings about the Arabs that many of us know...The Arabs are proud and vain and when it comes to discrimination, the West are learners where the Arabs are. having said that we can not fail to see sense in some of their Laws especially that with women. it is known and accepted even amongst we living in secular state that it's very rare to see true platonic relationship between the opposite sex, and in Saudi Arabia the law on Jobs getting better, In Iran for example. A woman can do almost anything a Man can do, while we all remember the women who serve as guard to late Gaddafi. It is true that the monarchs live above the law and make some Laws that obviously made out of vanity.example is when they say don't send particular prayer on Abu kazeem (S.A.W) but want to be referred to as Jalal. and the issue is the same about pictures..


But we should all know is that HUMANS WILL ALWAYS BE HUMANS and since Allah says he is the Hakim li Hakam. Our society can never be perfect or be as prescribe by Allah or his prophet. So I will live anywhere, where I can worship my lord without interference and within my knowledge of my religion(which increases everyday) without judging others based on their faith or religion. I can preach to them or best of all demonstrate my religion by behaving towards them as taught by my faith but I can not force them to accept....Allah says their is no compulsion in religion. and even told his friend and messenger that he was not appointed as a guard over his people.

quickly:


Don't mind them. According to the Koran Mohammed beheaded many ppl, fornicated with under age girls, raped many ppl wives.

And he terrorized many ppl


No be me talk am e dey for Una book

How can a muslim who believes marrying and having sex with a 9year old is sane and still want to live in the United states where it is illegal to have marry or have sex with a child.

dele1727:
Salam alekun @all....I think everyone has a point but we are having this argument because of perspective issues, and we are mistaking Arab countries for Islamic countries... Being Arab does not make one a better muslim, what Islam real preaches is not where you are from but what you know and practice, Ironically Rasulilahi (S.A.w) said somethings about the Arabs that many of us know...The Arabs are proud and vain and when it comes to discrimination, the West are learners where the Arabs are. having said that we can not fail to see sense in some of their Laws especially that with women. it is known and accepted even amongst we living in secular state that it's very rare to see true platonic relationship between the opposite sex, and in Saudi Arabia the law on Jobs getting better, In Iran for example. A woman can do almost anything a Man can do, while we all remember the women who serve as guard to late Gaddafi. It is true that the monarchs live above the law and make some Laws that obviously made out of vanity.example is when they say don't send particular prayer on Abu kazeem (S.A.W) but want to be referred to as Jalal. and the issue is the same about pictures..


But we should all know is that HUMANS WILL ALWAYS BE HUMANS and since Allah says he is the Hakim li Hakam. Our society can never be perfect or be as prescribe by Allah or his prophet. So I will live anywhere, where I can worship my lord without interference and within my knowledge of my religion(which increases everyday) without judging others based on their faith or religion. I can preach to them or best of all demonstrate my religion by behaving towards them as taught by my faith but I can not force them to accept....Allah says their is no compulsion in religion. and even told his friend and messenger that he was not appointed as a guard over his people.

If there is no compulsion in religion, why is the punishment for apostasy death?
If there is no compulsion, i should be able to live the religion and worship whoever i want without being beheaded.

Being a Muslim I'll like to live in a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc so I can practise my religion well/better wit no form of "law" blocking me in any way Buh to be sincere THEIR LAWS ARE'NT MOSTLY FAIR ON WOMEN

Ayomideen:
Being a Muslim I'll like to live in a Muslim country like Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc so I can practise my religion well/better wit no form of "law" blocking me in any way Buh to be sincere THEIR LAWS ARE'NT MOSTLY FAIR ON WOMEN

Lol......

cckris:
Sincere Nigerian Moslems should seek Visas to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, instead of travelling to the United States, the great Satan.

I would agree with your statement, however there is a danger in generalizing statements and taking them to be the true state of things without HARD FACTS and NUMBERS to back it up.

What is happening to the Muslim World presently? what has been the nature of crisis erupting in the Middle-East and Asian Countries with largely Muslim population. Why is there a drive to separate Religion from State.

There are 2.75 Muslims in the United States and 63% of them are immigrants - that makes a large percentage of insincere Muslims
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/01/06/a-new-estimate-of-the-u-s-muslim-population/

Ask Questions

Seun:
As a muslim, would you prefer to live in an Islamic country governed by Islamic laws and principles, [s][/s]rather than a secular country which defends the rights of women, muslims, christians, atheists, lesbians, gays, scantily clad babes, drinkers, and all minorities, and treats them equally?[s][/s]

If your answer is 'yes,' what are some of the ways in which you feel that an Islamic country would be better for your life than a secular country?

So in your little thinking, you think Islam does not recognize the rights of women, christians, minorities .............. You need to get your homework done first and stop assuming.

Afrokan:

An African striving to live in a country that hates blacks? Wow

have you been to Saudi Arabia before? I assume no from the ignorance and hypocrisy displayed from your comments that I've seen so far on this thread but lemme tell you, there's no racism in Islam and there are quite a number of Black population in Saudi Arabia

Afrokan:

If there is no compulsion in religion, why is the punishment for apostasy death?
If there is no compulsion, i should be able to live the religion and worship whoever i want without being beheaded.

Non Muslims lived in Mecca and Medina after the Muslims have Conquered it. in the lifetime of the prophet... so what are we saying?

quickly:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvw-AnYBqNI

is this photoshopped.

What i am saying to u is this

the syrians would rather DIE by drowing or crossing the ocean than going to the nearest islamic country. The syrians did not want to live in a nearby islamic country but move to a land where secular law is the order of the day.

WHy?

u tell me

thats why i mentioned pakistain. India was one country before it got divided into (India and Pakistan) all because of religion. Go to UK highest amount of non EU immigrants are pakistan. Are some Gulf states not rich why move to a secular land when u can move to u nearby islamic country.

Dont Even mention nigerian because at least 70% go thru EU embassy and the other 30% might find other routes.


Other thing blaming the USs war on terror is an old school islamic propaganda. Was there any war on terror in Northern nigeria? before islamic violence became order of the day

Was there war on terror in borno state that made some muslims start killing innocent ppl all in the name of defending quran?

Long and short of the story is that the quran is the genesis of this problem because it advocates hate and bigtry and ordianry ppl are following this.

A 5th or 6th century philoisphy cannot leave in a 21st century.

African culture men and women r not segregated. Even though they say African culture is babaric just because u see a woman with nice body does not mean u must violate her.

Even in Africa we don't do that - self control

U cover a woman like a masquerade because some men dont that have self contro


Look at that girl Malala that was shot in the head because she was advocating girls go to school.


For a country to propser u must not mix relgion with governace

Religion must be a personal decision

Even if this particular picture was not photoshopped, dozens were...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/the-fake-refugee-images-that-are-being-used-to-distort-public-opinion-on-asylum-seekers-10503703.html

The Syrians are mostly in Turkey, Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, and the GCC countries. A piddling number are in Europe compared to the numbers that arent. Saying that they ALL prefer Europe to their neighbouring countries is, by virtue of numbers alone, dishonest.

There are probably more Pakistanis in SA than in the UK. If you cant understand that point, then I dont know how to explain it to you. Your view of migration is oversimplistic, and you dont seem to understand the difference between correlation and causation.

My point in mentioning Nigerians is to show you that people emigrate for reasons other than religious discomfort back home. Do emigrants from the SS or SE do so because of Sharia?

The rest of your rant is totally childish bigotry. I shall not deign to lower myself to responding to such nonsense. Obviously the sum total of your 'knowledge' of religion is gleaned from juvenile social fora, like facebook. You might do well to study the true political factors behind political unrest and religious violence. I might have provided you with the link that will enable you to read more scholarly books on the subject, but somehow, I believe that engaging in such study will be over your head.

dele1727:


Non Muslims lived in Mecca and Medina after the Muslims have Conquered it. in the lifetime of the prophet... so what are we saying?

Apostasy is when you change religion. Islam is okay with you if you were born a christian or a jew but if you were born a muslim and decide to change to a christian, the punishment is death

eitsei:
have you been to Saudi Arabia before? I assume no from the ignorance and hypocrisy displayed from your comments that I've seen so far on this thread but lemme tell you, there's no racism in Islam and there are quite a number of Black population in Saudi Arabia

What caused the hajj stampede, since you are well informed on Saudi Arabian affair.
Why do you think the saudis refused to accept suffering syrians into there country?

Teewhyraul:



So in your little thinking, you think Islam does not recognize the rights of women, Christians, minorities .............. You need to get your homework done first and stop assuming.

Islam accepts the marriage of 9year old girls to fully grown 60year old men, and you tell me the religion accepts recognises the rights of women?

Afrokan:

What caused the hajj stampede, since you are well informed on Saudi Arabian affair.
Why do you think the saudis refused to accept suffering syrians into there country?

So it's because you think they hate blacks that's why they caused the stampede or what?

Afrokan:

Islam accepts the marriage of 9year old girls to fully grown 60year old men, and you tell me the religion accepts recognises the rights of women?

you have just been spewing rubbish on this thread born out of your hatred for Muslims and Islam, you even created this account today solely to attack us

eitsei:
So it's because you think they hate blacks that's why they caused the stampede or what?

Read about the cause of the stampede

eitsei:
you have just been spewing rubbish on this thread born out of your hatred for Muslims and Islam, you even created this account today solely to attack us

I am an atheist. I just want to understand certain things about religion. What have i said thats out of line or are you admitting marying 9 year old children is wrong as allowed by islam?

Afrokan:

I am an atheist. I just want to understand certain things about religion. What have i said thats out of line or are you admitting marying 9 year old children is wrong as allowed by islam?

If you want to learn about religion you learn with an open mind not with an hypocritical mind

eitsei:
If you want to learn about religion you learn with an open mind not with an hypocritical mind

Okay lecture me, why is it okay to marry 9year old children in islam

Afrokan:

Islam accepts the marriage of 9year old girls to fully grown 60year old men, and you tell me the religion accepts recognises the rights of women?

It's the Jet age, you shouldn't need as much schooling as this, there are smart phones and gadgets everywhere.

I don't know the Religion you subscribe to, but marriage of younger women to far older men is a norm in the days of old. An example you may relate to is that of Mary (The mother of Jesus) and Joseph.

According to Christian Scholars, Mary was between the ages of 8 -12 when she was married to Joseph who was between 90-95....... They differ on the exact age, but that's the range.
One of the evidence from Catholic encyclopedia;
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

If you are a Christian and you don't know this, then you should be ashamed of yourself, go learn your religion instead of trying to find holes in Islam.

Go Study boy, stop wasting away, Islam is Mercy to Mankind.
PS: Islam is not the same as Muslims, same way Christianity isn't the same as Christians.

Teewhyraul:


It's the Jet age, you shouldn't need as much schooling as this, there are smart phones and gadgets everywhere.

I don't know the Religion you subscribe to, but marriage of younger women to far older men is a norm in the days of old. An example you may relate to is that of Mary (The mother of Jesus) and Joseph.

According to Christian Scholars, Mary was between the ages of 8 -12 when she was married to Joseph who was between 90-95....... They differ on the exact age, but that's the range.
One of the evidence from Catholic encyclopedia;
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08504a.htm

If you are a Christian and you don't know this, then you should be ashamed of yourself, go learn your religion instead of trying to find holes in Islam.

Go Study boy, stop wasting away, Islam is Mercy to Mankind.
PS: Islam is not the same as Muslims, same way Christianity isn't the same as Christians.

This is the point i was trying to bring out. If your prophet married girls at the age of 9 because it was the norm at as then and that practice is barbaric in the 21st century what now makes you think practicing Islam noe in the jet age is normal, don't you think many if the practices of Islam are too archaic to fit into a modern world and therefore the religion should be discarded away with infavt all religions should be discarded away with.

Afrokan:

This is the point i was trying to bring out. If your prophet married girls at the age of 9 because it was the norm at as then and that practice is barbaric in the 21st century what now makes you think practicing Islam noe in the jet age is normal, don't you think many if the practices of Islam are too archaic to fit into a modern world and therefore the religion should be discarded away with infavt all religions should be discarded away with.

The Problem is still the Problem,
Nobody said that criteria for marriage is age, this is the assumed conclusion you jumped to carelessly and you are in for a free fall.

Like I said, if you want to talk about Islam, you should learn it first from the right sources, what will you call a Carpenter who's running his mouth on the tenets of Dentistry, the fact that the 2 professions use something that looks like a hammer doesn't mean you don't need to learn it before you run your mouth.

But since you are an Atheist, it's even worse...... People who don't stand for anything, fall for everything.

Please, Learn first and if you want to talk after, you can Holla.
Knowledge precedes Speech and Actions.