Olarajee:
The problem you have is comprehending what the word mean. The Arabic bible uses the word Allaah when referring to God. Do you get now?

If you ask any idolater what they are worshipping it's always 'God' (Don't mind that you choose to use the small g for them).

The issue now is how's God supposed to be worship. Even the Christians worship God (Allah) but in what way is He to be worshipped? The way Jesus himself worshipped Him or the clapping and dancing worships prevalent today?

Don't get it confused. Is like asking which God is the Chineke my Igbo brothers worship. Igbo Muslims refers to Allaah as Chineke too, I hope you know?

You're welcome

annunaki2:
This is a very tough and uncomfortable question for muslims let's sit back and enjoy what the spin doctors and al taquiya merchants come up with in defence of their moon god.

damogul:
Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...

truthman2012:


Good point.

It was only Muhammad that was in the position to say what he saw. He said he saw an evil spirit and that was just the truth. Khadija who was not there had no authority to confirm what she didn't see and besides, she was not trained to discern an angel from an evil spirit. The fact that what the spirit revealed contradicted the Scripture before the quran shows he was an evil spirit.

damogul:


I am amazed at how people can easily be deceived by such nonsense from muhammad. He is one of those Prophets whom the bible says will deceive many.

I am compiling a list of errors in the Quran and will open a new thread on that shortly. Will tag u when I do.

truthman2012:


Muslims don't refer to their God in their native language, they call him Allah, even Israeli muslims, to whom God revealed Himself as Yahweh. Those Muhammad considered as idolaters were those who worshiped other idols besides his father's own.

If I get you right, you are saying Mutaleb was worshipping the true God (allah) as an idolater. If this is the case it means the Allah Muslims worship as God is Mutaleb idols.

There were idols in Muhammad's family, Uzza, Lat, and Manat, which Mutaleb was worshipping as his Allah, are these also what Muslims worship as Allah? If not, what is the difference between Mutaleb's Allah (his idols) and Muhammad's Allah as a Muslim. Please note that muslims also worship their Allah the exact way Mutaleb worshipped his Allah (idols).

truthman2012:


Good point.

It was only Muhammad that was in the position to say what he saw. He said he saw an evil spirit and that was just the truth. Khadija who was not there had no authority to confirm what she didn't see and besides, she was not trained to discern an angel from an evil spirit. The fact that what the spirit revealed contradicted the Scripture before the quran shows he was an evil spirit.

damogul:


I am amazed at how people can easily be deceived by such nonsense from muhammad. He is one of those Prophets whom the bible says will deceive many.

I am compiling a list of errors in the Quran and will open a new thread on that shortly. Will tag u when I do.

Olarajee

The language of Islam is Arabic. God in Arabic is Allaah. But we say Olohun, Chineke, etc depending on the native languages though since these names are already misused, only Allaah is fitting to the most high

truthman2012:


How are the native name for God misused?

If Allah means God in Arabic, it means Mutaleb recognized his idols as his own Allah hence he named his son Abdullai (meaning servant of Allah). This shows Allah had been worshipped in Muhammad's family before he was born. And when "angel" Gabriel revealed the "truth" (islam) to Muhammad, he directed him and the muslims to worship the same Allah. Or are their two Allahs, one for Mutaleb and another Allah for Muhammad?

The fact that muslims worship islamic Allah in the same way Mutaleb worshipped his own Allah (idols) too shows the Allah is the same, i.e Mutaleb's and Muhammad's Allah is the same.

See the evidences that Islamic Allah and Mutaleb's Allah (idols) are worshiped in the exactly the same way:


www.nairaland.com/2644778/islam-meccans-religions-before-it

damogul:


I am amazed at how people can easily be deceived by such nonsense from muhammad. He is one of those Prophets whom the bible says will deceive many.

I am compiling a list of errors in the Quran and will open a new thread on that shortly. Will tag u when I do.

truthman2012:
Muhammad's grandfather, Mutaleb was an idolater. He named his son Abdullai, which means "servant of Allah". Abdullai (servant of allah) gave birth to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. My question therefore is: Which Allah was Mutaleb worshipping as an idolater, as a result of which he named his son "servant of Allah" What is the difference between the Allah of Mutaleb as an idolater and the Allah of Muhammad as a Muslim?

truthman2012:

Muslims don't refer to their God in their native language, they call him Allah, even Israeli muslims, to whom God revealed Himself as Yahweh. Those Muhammad considered as idolaters were those who worshiped other idols besides his father's own.
If I get you right, you are saying Mutaleb was worshipping the true God (allah) as an idolater. If this is the case it means the Allah Muslims worship as God is Mutaleb idols.
There were idols in Muhammad's family, Uzza, Lat, and Manat, which Mutaleb was worshipping as his Allah, are these also what Muslims worship as Allah? If not, what is the difference between Mutaleb's Allah (his idols) and Muhammad's Allah as a Muslim. Please note that muslims also worship their Allah the exact way Mutaleb worshipped his Allah (idols).

kio052001:
hmm, if so why do Muslims still call Christians infidels since you claim Allah is God

damogul:
Before Muhammad the Arabs had 365 gods - one for each day of the year. Muhammad picked Allah (the Arab moon god).

They claim the founder of Islam is a prophet named Muhammad...however Muhammad himself says he is not a prophet and has never personally heard from God...in fact Muhammad who heard voices thought himself it was from evil spirits....his wife encouraged him to change his mind and claim God had spoken to him...

Olarajee:


You see where you pple ended of shooting yourselves in the feet? Muhammed is never referred to as founder of Islam not by any single Muslims but by ignoramus like you. That was why fools like yourself try refer it as Muhammedanism like Christianity but may it's Islam and you're wrong.

And to your second claim help us with some evidences so that we can at least assume you have some sanity pls.

Moon God? Tell me your pastors fed you those lies too or where did you learn that one? This is a verse from the Quran:

And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not prostrate to the sun nor to the moon; and prostrate to Allah Who created them, if Him it is that you serve. Quran Fusilat : 38

A [b]moon God[/b]would not forbid you from worshipping the moon or created itself. Make una try geh sense na?

Olarajee:


You see where you pple ended of shooting yourselves in the feet? Muhammed is never referred to as founder of Islam not by any single Muslims but by ignoramus like you. That was why fools like yourself try refer it as Muhammedanism like Christianity but may it's Islam and you're wrong.

And to your second claim help us with some evidences so that we can at least assume you have some sanity pls.

Moon God? Tell me your pastors fed you those lies too or where did you learn that one? This is a verse from the Quran:

And among His signs are the night and the day and the sun and the moon; do not prostrate to the sun nor to the moon; and prostrate to Allah Who created them, if Him it is that you serve. Quran Fusilat : 38

A moon God would not forbid you from worshipping the moon or created itself. Make una try geh sense na?

Olarajee:


Muhammad didn't bring the worship of Allaah, it started with the creation of man, Adam then to Abraham down to Moses, Jesus and all the prophets sent in between till the seal of all of them, Muhammad.

truthman2012:


No, you didn't answer the questions in the post.

Why is islamic Allah worshiped the same way Mutaleb worshipped his own Allah (idols)?

Besides, the shahadah (Islamic creed) stipulates and I quote: " there is no god save Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger".

Muhammad is not one of Allah's messengers but his only messenger. This debunks the claim that Muhammad is in the rank of other God's prophets. The only prophet islamic Allah has is Muhammad, no one else.

truthman2012:


No, you didn't answer the questions in the post.

Why is islamic Allah worshiped the same way Mutaleb worshipped his own Allah (idols)?

Besides, the shahadah (Islamic creed) stipulates and I quote: " there is no god save Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger".

Muhammad is not one of Allah's messengers but his only messenger. This debunks the claim that Muhammad is in the rank of other God's prophets. The only prophet islamic Allah has is Muhammad, no one else.

Olarajee:


You can't be asking and answering at the same time. If you know why are you asking? How did the pagans of Arab worshipped pls educate us and how are the Muslims worshipping? You're claiming its same way. How?

Who taught you anything bout the Islamic creed? You don't know what you're saying aboki, you're just making yourself happy. Bring forth your evidence that that's what Islam taught as its creed? Who told you Muhammed is His only messenger? Did you find that in the bible or the Quran or your pastor fed you that?

You're just confused and you're not ready to learn. I can't help you.

Olarajee:

You're just confused and you're not ready to learn. I can't help you.

Farmerforlife:




I will comment only once on this thread, since it seems from your history that you are on a crusade, and not really interested in getting the answer to your question.

Every religion has a concept of a Supreme Deity, which later becomes corrupted by the addition of lesser gods. Allah was always recognised by the pre-Islamic pagans as the supreme God and Creator, due to the influence of prophet Ibrahim (ﷺ) (Abraham in the Bible) and his Arab descendants. The Quran tells the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ)...

<<Say to them (ie ask the pagans) "Tell me if you know, whose is the earth and all who dwell in it?"
They will say, "Allah's".
Ask them, "Then why do you not understand this"?

Say to them (ie ask the pagans), "To whom do the seven heavens and the Glorious Throne belong?"
They will say, "To Allah".
Say, "Then why do you not fear Him".

Say to them (ie ask the pagans) "Tell me, if you know, whose is the Sovereignty over everything? And who is that Being who gives protection while none can give protection against Him?"
They will surely reply, "This power belongs to Allah." Say, "How then are you so bewitched?">>
Quran 23;84-92

This shows that they did not dispute the sovereignity of Allah over all things, nor the fact that He is the Creator. Their point of dispute was that they believed that there were other 'minor gods' that could benefit or harm them, and that were therefore, also deserving of attention. This is what Islam rejects. Allah alone is God and Creator, and none deserve worship but him, based on the principles sent through Abraham, Noah, Isaac, Ismael, Moses and all the other prophets sent at different times. The other idols that were later added to the worship of Allah as the unique God were to be rightly relegated to the rubbish heap.

AbdulMuttalib named his son Abdullah to show that he was sanctified to Allah, because he did worship Allah, only not Alone as He should be worshipped. He also had another son called Abduluzza, and the pagans also called their children Abd manaf and Abul shams, depending on which God they were intent on worshipping at the time.

Like the concept of monotheism, the laws, morals and ways of worship had also been lost. The prophet Muhammad (ﷺ) reinstated these too.



For the same reason that the pagans were rejected as monotheists. They associated partners in worship with Allah, even though they acknowledged His Supremacy. (in the time of the prophet Muhammad (ﷺ), Christians had no other name for God other than Allah). This association was via their belief that Jesus was also a god (in addition to the holy spirit), and this is why they are referred to as infidels.

<<Certainly they disbelieve who say: Allah is the third of the three. And there is no God but One God. And if they desist not from what they say a painful chastisement will surely befall such of them as disbelieve.>>
Quran 5;73

truthman2012:
Muhammad's grandfather, Mutaleb was an idolater. He named his son Abdullai, which means "servant of Allah". Abdullai (servant of allah) gave birth to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. My question therefore is: Which Allah was Mutaleb worshipping as an idolater, as a result of which he named his son "servant of Allah" What is the difference between the Allah of Mutaleb as an idolater and the Allah of Muhammad as a Muslim?

nnofaith:
As an ex-Muslim atheist this were some of the issues i find troubling, there is also Ubaiydullah ibn Jash who was the first cousin of the prophet, how could they have been named after a pagan allah? also, why should the Kaaba maintan a prominent place in islam? the most reasonable thing ought to be for the Kaaba to be destroyed since it was a pagan monument. the prophet even went round the kaaba in worship (WHILE THE IDOLS WERE STILL IN THE KAABA) after the muslims defeated the makaans in batttle.