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The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:11pm On Jul 06, 2016
By Keith Thompson

In their suppression of their knowledge of God where they come up with petty excuses to not submit to their maker, “unbelievers” often bring up the issue of slavery and the Bible. They claim since the Bible permits slavery it is therefore immoral and should not be followed

Leaving aside the fact that if atheism were true nothing would be wrong, including slavery, since all you would have is one random biological organism that appeared on a random rock owning another random biological organism without any objective standard condemning such a concept, it is nevertheless important to address this argument. This is because when biblical slavery is mentioned by such people, it is meant to incite an emotional reaction connected with the racist slavery of the American south in the 18th and 19th centuries, or other brutal instances of slavery in the ancient world. One can think of the classic movie Ben-Hur where the slaves had chains around their necks and were worked to death, etc.

However, to read such concepts into Old Testament Israelite servanthood the Bible permits or the foreign slavery it permits would be extremely inaccurate and deceptive. The following facts serve as reasons why biblical servanthood and foreign slavery was not immoral, in the sense modern English parlance defines slavery.

"Slavery" in the Old Testament

Indentured service

“Slave” and “Master” are not the best translations of ‘ebed and ‘adon. The Hebrew word used for “slave” or “servant” in the relevant Old Testament texts is ‘ebed. It simply means “employee” or “servant” and should not be translated “slave.” Paul Copan has noted Old Testament scholar John Goldingay affirms, “. . .there is nothing inherently lowly or undignified about being an ‘ebed.” Instead it was an honourable and dignified term"(1). Likewise, on page 713 the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon notes the word can refer to “servant of a household” and cites Exodus 21:2 as an example, one of the texts we will cover. On page 633 Mounce's dictionary also defines it as a "servant." An ‘adon in Hebrew was a “boss” or “employer” in these contexts and “master” is a bit too strong of a translation(2). Copen relays, “Even when the terms buy, sell or acquire are used for servants/employees, they don’t mean the person in question is ‘just property’. . . . Rather, these are formal contractual agreements, which is what we find in the Old Testament servanthood/employee arrangements. One example of this contracted employer/employee relationship was Jacob’s working for Laban for seven years so that he might marry his daughter Rachel”(3).

Indentured servitude existed as a means of debt payment. These employees lived with and worked for a family in order to pay off a debt (Exodus 21:2; Deuteronomy 15:1, 12). A father of a family with failed crops etc., would sell himself to an Israelite boss for six years to pay off a debt (Leviticus 25:47). This is similar to what took place in 17th century colonial America where European immigrants could not afford passage into America and so worked for a family in order to pay them back for paying for their passage(4).

God set up servitude as a last resort means of survival. The Old Testament affirms God ordained servitude for people to be able to survive when all other means of survival were exhausted. People would put themselves into indentured servitude to survive (Leviticus 25:35, 39-40). The conditions of this servitude must now be discussed.

Old Testament servants were more like live-in butlers or nannies. They did not walk around with chains around their neck, enduring racism, or being worked to death. The rights and dignity of these indentured servants in the Old Testament make such comparisons to other slavery erroneous. For example, Exodus 21 demands these servants be treated as persons and not property. If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated. Deuteronomy 15:16 shows servants often truly loved the leaders of the household and thought of them as family. Leviticus 25:53 says such servants were to be treated as men “hired from year to year” not “rule[d ] over ruthlessly.” They were even to be given a regular day off during the week (Exodus 23:12). Also, Israelite servants could not be sold by their bosses (Leviticus 25:42) and are even differentiated from slaves in this text since it says “they shall not be sold as slaves.” Lastly, Deuteronomy 15:13-14 affirms once a servant’s service was over after 6 years, he was not to leave empty handed. The boss was commanded to furnish him out of his flock, and with corn and wine. All of these facts destroy the emotional response atheists want to bring out of people when telling them “the bible permits slavery.” The images of slavery in history must not be connected with this biblical servitude.

Lifelong Servitude was forbidden. Exodus 21:2 and Deuteronomy 15:12 commands an Israelite servant who owed a debt to be freed after 6 years. However, if the servant decided to remain with the household longer, due to loving the family, he was permitted to stay with that family (Deuteronomy 15:16; cf. Exodus 21:5). Deuteronomy 15:16 says: “But if he says to you, 'I will not go out from you,' because he loves you and your household, since he is well-off with you, 17. . . he shall be your slave forever. . . .” This shows the servants were to be treated very well, so much so that many chose to remain with the leaders of their household forever because of the good treatment and care exhibited by the Israelite boss.

Foreign slaves

Now that we have addressed the Israelite indentured servitude atheists almost always bring up, we will now turn to the issue of foreign slaves the Israelites were allowed to purchase. In Leviticus 25:45-46 we read that Israelites were permitted to buy foreign slaves who were in the slave trade. Although this might sound harsh to our ears some things need to be kept in mind. First, there are no chains around necks, racism or being worked to death here. Also, such people had rights even if they ran away from their bosses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 says, “15You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. 16He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him” (Deuteronomy 23:15-16). This Law greatly affected the master's treatment of the worker so they wouldn't want to run away. Also, this is an example of God's mercy since he permitted Israelites to rescue slaves out of the slave trade and work for a family in a holy culture, when they would otherwise be stuck in some brutal culture where their master could treat slaves however they wanted. Hammarubi’s code for example allowed masters to mutilate their slaves, cutting their ears off etc. Exodus 21:26-27, however, says injuring slaves was forbidden and if done resulted in the release of the slave. This was great incentive to treat them well, an oddity in the ancient world at that time. Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser notes “. . .in the ancient world . . . a master could treat his slave as he pleased.”(5) So much has to be read in, and much has to be omitted, in order for this to be identified as morally evil. So while the unbeliever, though he has no moral basis to claim anything is actually wrong, claims this slavery was wrong, the fact is it served as a way of rescuing those stuck in the slave trade who would otherwise end up in a savage land being mutilated. The Hebrews were to treat these people well on the other-hand. And it was common understanding the foreign slave could run away to another town for asylum in Israel and would not be returned to his Israelite master. This is utterly unprecedented in the ancient world. Lastly, according to the Old Testament, such foreign slaves could basically become Israelite citizens. For example 1 Chronicles 2:34-35 affirms Sheshan gave his Egyptian slave Jarha to his daughter in marriage, after which they had a child. Again, utterly disconnected from the ancient practice.

“Troubling texts”

Now, atheists commonly attack Exodus 21:20-21. The text says:

"20When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money” (Exodus 21:20-21).

Notice first according to v. 20 the murder of servants is strongly prohibited and was punishable by death. Unbelievers often ignore this merciful truth. But what should we make of v. 21? Simple. The boss is given the benefit of the doubt that he was not intending to murder the servant but was disciplining him for doing some moral wrong he was not supposed to. In that case the boss would not be put to death since it would be ruled accidental. This did not mean bosses should try to make it so that their servants died after two days or that this was somehow moral or okay. The text does not say. It’s simply saying if such an accidental death occurs after a disciplinary punishment, the boss did not deserve death. Life for a life applied only when there was a conscious intent to murder.

What about the above rendering “for the slave is his money’ at the end of v. 21 which seems to suggest the servant was property? This is incorrect. The Hebrew does not say “the slave is his money.” It just says “that is his money.” Copan notes the Ancient Near East scholar Harry Hoffner has shown based on the context (i.e., Exodus 21:18-19) that the text should not be rendered “the slave is his money” but “the fee is his money” in the sense that the fee the boss would then pay for medical treatment for the soon-to-die injured servant was money. Therefore, since the boss would already suffer financial loss for the accidental fatality, he would not be put to death(6). Hence, according to the Hebrew and context the text does not say “the slave is his money” as atheists falsely assert. It is saying the death was accidental, the boss tried to save the servant by paying for medical treatment (as the context shows), and because of these considerations the boss should not be executed since his punishment or "fee" for this tragic accidental death was money he paid in trying to save the servant.

Unbelievers also bring up Exodus 21:7-11 which mentions a man selling his daughter as an ‘amah, which is rendered “slave” or “servant.” However, based on contextual considerations, Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser notes,

“This paricope pertains to a girl who is sold by her father, not for slavery, but for marriage. Nonetheless, she is designated a ‘servant’ (‘amah, v. 7). Should the terms of marriage not be fulfilled, it is to be considered a breach of contract, and the purchaser must allow the girl to be redeemed; she must not be sold outside that family (v. cool. Always she must be treated as a daughter or a free-born woman, or the forfeiture clause will be invoked”(7).

In sum it is clear atheists read into the Old Testament other forms of slavery and do not allow the texts to speak for themselves. They blindly, without knowledge of the Hebrew, context or cultural background, attack Old Testament servitude out of ignorance because of their rebellion and hatred for God. They take what is not immoral at all and twist it into something immoral as an excuse not to submit to their creator.

"Slavery" in the New Testament

Atheists often falsely claim Jesus never condemned the slavery of his day. However, in Luke 4:18 Jesus cites Isaiah 61:1 which, in practical application, condemns the slavery of his day: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed” (Luke 4:18).

Unbelievers often argue since the New Testament writers exhorted slaves to obey their masters in the Roman social system, this is immoral and proves the Bible is false. For example see the following texts:

“Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative” (Titus 2:9).

“Bondservants, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord” (Colossians 3:22).

“Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ” (Ephesians 6:5).
However, a few points are in order.

These texts do not support Roman slavery. The fact is Jesus and the apostles didn’t create an economic reform plan for Israel and Rome. That’s not the way the kingdom of God would come about. The kingdom of God is inward and culminates in the return of Christ at the end of the world. So, economic reform was not the goal of the early persecuted Christians. The church was born into an already existing secular social world. So when Paul exhorts slaves within the Roman systems to behave themselves, he is not promoting or advocating the situation they were in, but was calling for good-conduct while in such an already existing predicament in the hopes that the master would see such good conduct and convert to Christianity and be saved (Titus 2:10). It was for the benefit of people’s eternal salvation.

Paul exhorts slave masters to treat their slaves well. In Ephesians 6:8-9 Paul commands those who are slave masters in this existing social system to be good to and not threaten their slaves. Again, this is not advocating or supporting slavery, but calling for humane protocol since people already existed in this system and small, persecuted Christianity did not have a plan for economic reform for Israel and Rome.

Paul affirmed freedom over slavery. Gleason Archer has shown while Paul exhorted slaves to obey their masters, he also said slaves should seek to purchase their freedom as soon as possible (1 Cor. 7:21), showing Paul recognized freedom is better than slavery(cool. This refutes the atheist objection.

The Bible does not Support Slave and Master Classes. The following texts show the Bible affirms the equality of all men, which is opposed to the idea behind slavery - immoral ideas which can be found in Graeco-Roman philosophers like Aristotle (Aristotle, Politics I.3). Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). 1 Corinthians 12:13 says “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Colossians 3:11 says, “Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all” (Colossians 3:11). In Colossians 4:1 Paul affirms both slaves and masters are equal having a true master in heaven, and that masters on earth must not mistreat their slaves. Again, unbelievers do not mention this, they just assume Paul supported slavery when really he was giving protocol of good-conduct in the context of an already existing social system. That does not necessitate support. That would be like me exhorting homosexuals to wear protection to not spread aids. It wouldn’t mean I support sodomy, it would just mean I am calling for protocol in an already existing negative situation. The New Testament writers, though they did not support these slave-master classes, nevertheless did not call for a violent uprising against Rome because they did not want Christianity to be characterized or viewed with that kind of emphasis.

The Bible condemns slavery and the slave trade. In 1 Timothy 1:9-10 Paul castigates those who engage in slave trade in the context of his “vice list” of things to avoid. Why don’t unbelievers ever mention this? Moreover, in Revelation 18:10-14 Babylon is rebuked and judged in the context of treating humans as cargo, trafficking slaves and idolatrously and greedily making wealth with merchants.

In sum, this is the other side of the story militant atheists do not inform people about when they rant against the Bible on this issue. This is because they do not really care about truth. Their agenda does not allow for the careful and responsible handling of these issues.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:24pm On Jul 06, 2016
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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by winner01(m): 11:27pm On Jul 06, 2016
Great article, but sadly many of them might not read it but instead will opt to hastily reply just to feel smart. Nice one Bro..

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by CAPSLOCKED: 11:43pm On Jul 06, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:
[s]By Keith Thompson

In their suppression of their knowledge of God where they come up with petty excuses to not submit to their maker, “unbelievers” often bring up the issue of slavery and the Bible. They claim since the Bible permits slavery it is therefore immoral and should not be followed

Leaving aside the fact that if atheism were true nothing would be wrong, including slavery, since all you would have is one random biological organism that appeared on a random rock owning another random biological organism without any objective standard condemning such a concept, it is nevertheless important to address this argument. This is because when biblical slavery is mentioned by such people, it is meant to incite an emotional reaction connected with the racist slavery of the American south in the 18th and 19th centuries, or other brutal instances of slavery in the ancient world. One can think of the classic movie Ben-Hur where the slaves had chains around their necks and were worked to death, etc.

However, to read such concepts into Old Testament Israelite servanthood the Bible permits or the foreign slavery it permits would be extremely inaccurate and deceptive. The following facts serve as reasons why biblical servanthood and foreign slavery was not immoral, in the sense modern English parlance defines slavery.

"Slavery" in the Old Testament

Indentured service

“Slave” and “Master” are not the best translations of ‘ebed and ‘adon. The Hebrew word used for “slave” or “servant” in the relevant Old Testament texts is ‘ebed. It simply means “employee” or “servant” and should not be translated “slave.” Paul Copan has noted Old Testament scholar John Goldingay affirms, “. . .there is nothing inherently lowly or undignified about being an ‘ebed.” Instead it was an honourable and dignified term"(1). Likewise, on page 713 the Brown-Driver-Briggs Lexicon notes the word can refer to “servant of a household” and cites Exodus 21:2 as an example, one of the texts we will cover. On page 633 Mounce's dictionary also defines it as a "servant." An ‘adon in Hebrew was a “boss” or “employer” in these contexts and “master” is a bit too strong of a translation(2). Copen relays, “Even when the terms buy, sell or acquire are used for servants/employees, they don’t mean the person in question is ‘just property’. . . . Rather, these are formal contractual agreements, which is what we find in the Old Testament servanthood/employee arrangements. One example of this contracted employer/employee relationship was Jacob’s working for Laban for seven years so that he might marry his daughter Rachel”(3).

Indentured servitude existed as a means of debt payment. These employees lived with and worked for a family in order to pay off a debt (Exodus 21:2; Deuteronomy 15:1, 12). A father of a family with failed crops etc., would sell himself to an Israelite boss for six years to pay off a debt (Leviticus 25:47). This is similar to what took place in 17th century colonial America where European immigrants could not afford passage into America and so worked for a family in order to pay them back for paying for their passage(4).

God set up servitude as a last resort means of survival. The Old Testament affirms God ordained servitude for people to be able to survive when all other means of survival were exhausted. People would put themselves into indentured servitude to survive (Leviticus 25:35, 39-40). The conditions of this servitude must now be discussed.

Old Testament servants were more like live-in butlers or nannies. They did not walk around with chains around their neck, enduring racism, or being worked to death. The rights and dignity of these indentured servants in the Old Testament make such comparisons to other slavery erroneous. For example, Exodus 21 demands these servants be treated as persons and not property. If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated. Deuteronomy 15:16 shows servants often truly loved the leaders of the household and thought of them as family. Leviticus 25:53 says such servants were to be treated as men “hired from year to year” not “rule[d ] over ruthlessly.” They were even to be given a regular day off during the week (Exodus 23:12). Also, Israelite servants could not be sold by their bosses (Leviticus 25:42) and are even differentiated from slaves in this text since it says “they shall not be sold as slaves.” Lastly, Deuteronomy 15:13-14 affirms once a servant’s service was over after 6 years, he was not to leave empty handed. The boss was commanded to furnish him out of his flock, and with corn and wine. All of these facts destroy the emotional response atheists want to bring out of people when telling them “the bible permits slavery.” The images of slavery in history must not be connected with this biblical servitude.

Lifelong Servitude was forbidden. Exodus 21:2 and Deuteronomy 15:12 commands an Israelite servant who owed a debt to be freed after 6 years. However, if the servant decided to remain with the household longer, due to loving the family, he was permitted to stay with that family (Deuteronomy 15:16; cf. Exodus 21:5). Deuteronomy 15:16 says: “But if he says to you, 'I will not go out from you,' because he loves you and your household, since he is well-off with you, 17. . . he shall be your slave forever. . . .” This shows the servants were to be treated very well, so much so that many chose to remain with the leaders of their household forever because of the good treatment and care exhibited by the Israelite boss.

Foreign slaves

Now that we have addressed the Israelite indentured servitude atheists almost always bring up, we will now turn to the issue of foreign slaves the Israelites were allowed to purchase. In Leviticus 25:45-46 we read that Israelites were permitted to buy foreign slaves who were in the slave trade. Although this might sound harsh to our ears some things need to be kept in mind. First, there are no chains around necks, racism or being worked to death here. Also, such people had rights even if they ran away from their bosses. Deuteronomy 23:15-16 says, “15You shall not give up to his master a slave who has escaped from his master to you. 16He shall dwell with you, in your midst, in the place that he shall choose within one of your towns, wherever it suits him. You shall not wrong him” (Deuteronomy 23:15-16). This Law greatly affected the master's treatment of the worker so they wouldn't want to run away. Also, this is an example of God's mercy since he permitted Israelites to rescue slaves out of the slave trade and work for a family in a holy culture, when they would otherwise be stuck in some brutal culture where their master could treat slaves however they wanted. Hammarubi’s code for example allowed masters to mutilate their slaves, cutting their ears off etc. Exodus 21:26-27, however, says injuring slaves was forbidden and if done resulted in the release of the slave. This was great incentive to treat them well, an oddity in the ancient world at that time. Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser notes “. . .in the ancient world . . . a master could treat his slave as he pleased.”(5) So much has to be read in, and much has to be omitted, in order for this to be identified as morally evil. So while the unbeliever, though he has no moral basis to claim anything is actually wrong, claims this slavery was wrong, the fact is it served as a way of rescuing those stuck in the slave trade who would otherwise end up in a savage land being mutilated. The Hebrews were to treat these people well on the other-hand. And it was common understanding the foreign slave could run away to another town for asylum in Israel and would not be returned to his Israelite master. This is utterly unprecedented in the ancient world. Lastly, according to the Old Testament, such foreign slaves could basically become Israelite citizens. For example 1 Chronicles 2:34-35 affirms Sheshan gave his Egyptian slave Jarha to his daughter in marriage, after which they had a child. Again, utterly disconnected from the ancient practice.

“Troubling texts”

Now, atheists commonly attack Exodus 21:20-21. The text says:

"20When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money” (Exodus 21:20-21).

Notice first according to v. 20 the murder of servants is strongly prohibited and was punishable by death. Unbelievers often ignore this merciful truth. But what should we make of v. 21? Simple. The boss is given the benefit of the doubt that he was not intending to murder the servant but was disciplining him for doing some moral wrong he was not supposed to. In that case the boss would not be put to death since it would be ruled accidental. This did not mean bosses should try to make it so that their servants died after two days or that this was somehow moral or okay. The text does not say. It’s simply saying if such an accidental death occurs after a disciplinary punishment, the boss did not deserve death. Life for a life applied only when there was a conscious intent to murder.

What about the above rendering “for the slave is his money’ at the end of v. 21 which seems to suggest the servant was property? This is incorrect. The Hebrew does not say “the slave is his money.” It just says “that is his money.” Copan notes the Ancient Near East scholar Harry Hoffner has shown based on the context (i.e., Exodus 21:18-19) that the text should not be rendered “the slave is his money” but “the fee is his money” in the sense that the fee the boss would then pay for medical treatment for the soon-to-die injured servant was money. Therefore, since the boss would already suffer financial loss for the accidental fatality, he would not be put to death(6). Hence, according to the Hebrew and context the text does not say “the slave is his money” as atheists falsely assert. It is saying the death was accidental, the boss tried to save the servant by paying for medical treatment (as the context shows), and because of these considerations the boss should not be executed since his punishment or "fee" for this tragic accidental death was money he paid in trying to save the servant.

Unbelievers also bring up Exodus 21:7-11 which mentions a man selling his daughter as an ‘amah, which is rendered “slave” or “servant.” However, based on contextual considerations, Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser notes,

“This paricope pertains to a girl who is sold by her father, not for slavery, but for marriage. Nonetheless, she is designated a ‘servant’ (‘amah, v. 7). Should the terms of marriage not be fulfilled, it is to be considered a breach of contract, and the purchaser must allow the girl to be redeemed; she must not be sold outside that family (v. cool. Always she must be treated as a daughter or a free-born woman, or the forfeiture clause will be invoked”(7).

In sum it is clear atheists read into the Old Testament other forms of slavery and do not allow the texts to speak for themselves. They blindly, without knowledge of the Hebrew, context or cultural background, attack Old Testament servitude out of ignorance because of their rebellion and hatred for God. They take what is not immoral at all and twist it into something immoral as an excuse not to submit to their creator.

"Slavery" in the New Testament

Atheists often falsely claim Jesus never condemned the slavery of his day. However, in Luke 4:18 Jesus cites Isaiah 61:1 which, in practical application, condemns the slavery of his day: “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed” (Luke 4:18).

Unbelievers often argue since the New Testament writers exhorted slaves to obey their masters in the Roman social system, this is immoral and proves the Bible is false. For example see the following texts:

“Bondservants are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative” (Titus 2:9).

“Bondservants, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not by way of eye-service, as people-pleasers, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord” (Colossians 3:22).

“Bondservants, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ” (Ephesians 6:5).
However, a few points are in order.

These texts do not support Roman slavery. The fact is Jesus and the apostles didn’t create an economic reform plan for Israel and Rome. That’s not the way the kingdom of God would come about. The kingdom of God is inward and culminates in the return of Christ at the end of the world. So, economic reform was not the goal of the early persecuted Christians. The church was born into an already existing secular social world. So when Paul exhorts slaves within the Roman systems to behave themselves, he is not promoting or advocating the situation they were in, but was calling for good-conduct while in such an already existing predicament in the hopes that the master would see such good conduct and convert to Christianity and be saved (Titus 2:10). It was for the benefit of people’s eternal salvation.

Paul exhorts slave masters to treat their slaves well. In Ephesians 6:8-9 Paul commands those who are slave masters in this existing social system to be good to and not threaten their slaves. Again, this is not advocating or supporting slavery, but calling for humane protocol since people already existed in this system and small, persecuted Christianity did not have a plan for economic reform for Israel and Rome.

Paul affirmed freedom over slavery. Gleason Archer has shown while Paul exhorted slaves to obey their masters, he also said slaves should seek to purchase their freedom as soon as possible (1 Cor. 7:21), showing Paul recognized freedom is better than slavery(cool. This refutes the atheist objection.

The Bible does not Support Slave and Master Classes. The following texts show the Bible affirms the equality of all men, which is opposed to the idea behind slavery - immoral ideas which can be found in Graeco-Roman philosophers like Aristotle (Aristotle, Politics I.3). Galatians 3:28 says “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Galatians 3:28). 1 Corinthians 12:13 says “For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:13). Colossians 3:11 says, “Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave, free; but Christ is all, and in all” (Colossians 3:11). In Colossians 4:1 Paul affirms both slaves and masters are equal having a true master in heaven, and that masters on earth must not mistreat their slaves. Again, unbelievers do not mention this, they just assume Paul supported slavery when really he was giving protocol of good-conduct in the context of an already existing social system. That does not necessitate support. That would be like me exhorting homosexuals to wear protection to not spread aids. It wouldn’t mean I support sodomy, it would just mean I am calling for protocol in an already existing negative situation. The New Testament writers, though they did not support these slave-master classes, nevertheless did not call for a violent uprising against Rome because they did not want Christianity to be characterized or viewed with that kind of emphasis.

The Bible condemns slavery and the slave trade. In 1 Timothy 1:9-10 Paul castigates those who engage in slave trade in the context of his “vice list” of things to avoid. Why don’t unbelievers ever mention this? Moreover, in Revelation 18:10-14 Babylon is rebuked and judged in the context of treating humans as cargo, trafficking slaves and idolatrously and greedily making wealth with merchants.

In sum, this is the other side of the story militant atheists do not inform people about when they rant against the Bible on this issue. This is because they do not really care about truth. Their agenda does not allow for the careful and responsible handling of these issues [/s].







LONGER THAN THE RIVER NILE, STILL GARBAGE THO.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:46pm On Jul 06, 2016
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LONGER THAN THE RIVER NILE, STILL GARBAGE THO.

Matthew 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Weah96: 12:24am On Jul 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Gleason Archer has shown while Paul exhorted slaves to obey their masters, he also said slaves should seek to purchase their freedom as soon as possible (1 Cor. 7:21), [size=18pt]showing Paul recognized freedom is better than slavery[/size] This refutes the atheist objection.



Your brain on drugs. Which argument did you refute? That Paul thought slavery was better than freedom? Who made that argument?

Now I see why you omit my name from all you lists. Hahaha. You were trying to spare me the trouble. Hahaha.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:27am On Jul 07, 2016
Weah96:


Your brain on drugs. Which argument did you refute? That Paul thought slavery was better than freedom? Who made that argument?

Now I see why you omit my name from all you lists. Hahaha. You were trying to spare me the trouble. Hahaha.


This is a knee-jerk response . It looks like this article disconcerted you . Hehehe

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:31am On Jul 07, 2016
@ Weah96 , I am sorry I omitted your name . After all the colloquies we had for years , you must be disappointed . Gosh , I felt bad for doing that . It won't happen next time bro .

One love .

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Nobody: 12:38am On Jul 07, 2016
I disagree with the wo/man.

Slavery was the option given to enemies after they were subdued in battle. I think it was very necessary. You can't take people's land and valuables and allow them to run around with freedom. The only thing they were given was life and with good reason. Besides, it was either bondage, displacement or death.
Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 12:51am On Jul 07, 2016
Muafrika2:
I disagree with the wo/man.

Slavery was the option given to enemies after they were subdued in battle. I think it was very necessary. You can't take people's land and valuables and allow them to run around with freedom. The only thing they were given was life and with good reason. Besides, it was either bondage, displacement or death.

Those people are not taken to partake in drudgery and can even become Israelites at the end of the day . The word "slave" in Israel , apparently , is not what the atheists imagined it to be .

Since atheists have no moral compass and even subscribe to incest , bestiality , homosexuality , abortion and pedophilia , why the outlandish outrage against an apparent misconception ?

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Nobody: 12:58am On Jul 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Those people are not taken to partake in drudgery and can even become Israelites at the end of the day . The word "slave" in Israel , apparently , is not what the atheists imagined it to be .

Since atheists have no moral compass and even subscribe to incest , bestiality , homosexuality , abortion and pedophilia why the outlandish outbursts against an apparent misconception ?
I remember the story of Hagai (the mother of Ishmael), the two maid servants of Leah and Rachel, Abraham also refered to the first born slave of his household becoming his inheritor.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by dalaman: 1:00am On Jul 07, 2016
Stop tagging my name in long and ridiculous christian apologist garbage. Who do you expect to read this long apologist and revitionist garbage?

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by lepasharon(f): 1:07am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:
Stop tagging my name in long and ridiculous christian apologist garbage. Who do you expect to read this long apologist and revitionist garbage?
Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 1:08am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:
Stop tagging my name in long and ridiculous christian apologist garbage. Who do you expect to read this long apologist and revitionist garbage?

Thanks for your meaningful contribution . I'll remove your name and will never mention it again

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by dalaman: 1:12am On Jul 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Thanks for your meaningful contribution . I'll remove your name and will never mention it again

You can mention my name in truthful write ups not in clearly revitionist and concealed pack of lies. I have no time for that.
Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukaNaija: 1:33am On Jul 07, 2016
Nice thread bro .

Atheism and pathetic display of ignorance

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by winner01(m): 1:48am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:
Stop tagging my name in long and ridiculous christian apologist garbage. Who do you expect to read this long apologist and revitionist garbage?
I guess you don't want your atheistic preconceptions shattered. But seriously, give it a try instead of arguing blindly on subjects you do not understand.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukaNaija: 1:55am On Jul 07, 2016
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LONGER THAN THE RIVER NILE, STILL GARBAGE THO.

This is what happens when they can't stand facts .

In just 3 days , it has been discovered that atheists are liars , bigots , enjoy sex with animals and even with their family members (incest ) and paedophilia . The overwhelming ignorance shown in their posts have indicated that over 98 percent of Nigerian atheists have low IQs . Not only that they have this insatiable thirst for the blood of religious people .

Atheism will soon be declared as deleterious to the progress of humanity . Atheists are dangerous people

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukaNaija: 1:58am On Jul 07, 2016
winner01:
I guess you don't want your atheistic preconceptions shattered. But seriously, give it a try instead of arguing blindly on subjects you do not understand.

I went through his discussions with kingebukasblog , and I found that he knew very little about objective morality . I was transfixed .

And I was like ...

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by winner01(m): 2:31am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:


You can mention my name in truthful write ups not in clearly revitionist and concealed pack of lies. I have no time for that.
What exactly is the meaning of lies? Anything that is against atheism? undecided
Cos you people never cease to amaze me.

When I opened a thread on the Bigotry of atheism. Seun said i was lying. undecided
Seun:
winner01: You know what would be ironic if the bible was true? Going to hell for lying for Jesus.
"and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Revelations 21:8.


Similarly, when I opened a thread on The murderous tendencies of atheists, and gave facts to support it.

Atheists such as Ranchhoddas had to condemn me to hell.
Ranchhoddas:
The dishonesty on this thread is baffling. One thing I am sure of is that if there is a hell, Winner01 and KingEbukaNaija are definitely going there.

This little kid also admitted that he almost cried on seeing the thread and that i was lying.
Lilbrown007:
I Saw This Thread Earlier And I Wanted To Cry Winner01 Must U Always Result To Lying?? Its Not Fair O

This one too said I was lying.
realmindz:
What's happening here? This appears like the most dishonest thread ever in NL history. We need a nl museum to reserve threads like this..
When they are about to tell lies, that's wen u see long unreadable stories.
Unto ursef, be true...

This one even reduced me to an animal.
Joshuabase:
you have the audacity to imply atheists are potential murderers? You don't deserve to be called a human being, you're on the same intelligence level as neanderthals.

The funny thing is: none of them could point out the lie. grin


So dalaman, I ask you. What is the lie in this fine thread? undecided

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 2:56am On Jul 07, 2016
winner01:

What exactly is the meaning of lies? Anything that is against atheism? undecided
Cos you people never cease to amaze me.

When I opened a thread on the Bigotry of atheism. Seun said i was lying. undecided



Similarly, when I opened a thread on The murderous tendencies of atheists, and gave facts to support it.

Atheists such as Ranchhoddas had to condemn me to hell.


This little kid also admitted that he almost cried on seeing the thread and that i was lying.


This one too said I was lying.


This one even reduced me to an animal.


The funny thing is: none of them could point out the lie. grin


So dalaman, I ask you. What is the lie in this fine thread? undecided

Ah thank you bro . God bless you for this . The atheists have always clung unto the usual canard - the bible supports slavery - this thread shattered their frangible pathetic claims . It's only natural for them to repudiate the bitter truth without equanimity - this explains why they said the thread was garbage .

No more the bible supports slavery BS anymore . It is painful for them to dispel such misconception - let the emotions and outbursts flow , it's only natural .

The OP is suffused with profoundness . The author touched every single verse that addressed slavery and explained them perfectly .

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Weah96: 3:02am On Jul 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Those people are not taken to partake in drudgery and can even become Israelites at the end of the day . The word "slave" in Israel , apparently , is not what the atheists imagined it to be .

Since atheists have no moral compass and even subscribe to incest , bestiality , homosexuality , abortion and pedophilia , why the outlandish outrage against an apparent misconception ?

Now you understand why male Muslims strap bombs to their bodies.

See what your god is making you do? You're standing in public and defending slavery now. Slavery, buying and selling humans like bushmeat. Only religion has the power to coerce otherwise decent people into the folds of madness.

You began this thread with the intent to justify slavery. I said it.
Listen, I've yet to see a black female p.orn star sleep with animals. Sexual depravity is graduated along racial lines, with the most extreme possibilities coming from pale people. The worst thing you'll hear about a depraved Nigerian is homo or pedo. What's the worst thing you'll hear about a depraved pale American? You don't wanna know.
Why am I saying all of this? Your vehement defense of slavery reminds me of this idea which occurred to me after considering existing US culture. I think that the whole slavery business was an excuse to r.ape African boys and girls with impunity. The abused African children would then be given bibles by the r.apists and urged to seek a solution from the empty sky god. This kept slaveowners from being murdered left and right by the slaves. Remember Calvin Candie from Django Unchained? He thought it was phrenology, that Africans are submissive by nature.


Calvin Candie: This is Ben. He's a old Joe that lived around here for a long time. And I do mean a long damn time. Well Ben here took care of my daddy and my daddy's daddy, till he up and keeled over one day. Old Ben took care of me. Growing up the son of a huge plantation owner in Mississippi puts a white man in contact with a whole lot of black faces. I spent my whole life here right here in Candyland, surrounded by black faces. And seeing them every day, day in day out, I only had one question. Why don't they kill us? Now right out there on that porch three times a week for fifty years, old Ben here would shave my daddy with a straight razor. Now if I was old Ben, I would have cut my daddy's goddamn throat, and it wouldn't have taken me no fifty years to do it neither. But he never did. Why not? You see, the science of phrenology is crucial to understanding the separation about two species. In the skull of the African here, the area associated with submissiveness is larger than any human or other sub-human species on planet Earth. If you examine this piece of skull here, you'll notice three distinct dimples. Here, here and here. Now if I was holding a skull of a... of an Isaac Newton or Galileo, these three dimples would be in the area of the skull most associated with creativity. But this is the skull of old Ben, and in the skull of old Ben unburdened by genius, these three dimples exist in the area of the skull most associated with servility. Now bright boy, I will admit you are pretty clever. But if I took this hammer here and I bashed it in your skull, you would have the same three dimples in the same place as old Ben. Hey! Now lay your palms flat on the table top! If you lift those palms off that turtle shell table top, Mr. Pooch is gonna let loose with both barrels of that sawed off! There have been a lot of lies said around this dinner table here tonight, but that you can believe!
Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:06am On Jul 07, 2016
Weah96:


Now you understand why male Muslims strap bombs to their bodies.

See what your god is making you do? You're standing in public and defending slavery now. Only religion has the power to coerce otherwise decent people into the folds of madness.

You began this thread with the intent to justify slavery. I said it.
Listen, I've yet to see a black female p.orn star sleep with animals. Sexual depravity is graduated along racial lines, with the most extreme possibilities coming from pale people. The worst thing you'll hear about a depraved Nigerian is homo or pedo. What's the worst thing you'll hear about a depraved pale American? You don't wanna know.
Why am I saying all of this? Your vehement defense of slavery reminds me of this idea which occurred to me after considering existing US culture. I think that the whole slavery business was an excuse to r.ape African boys and girls with impunity. The abused African children would then be given bibles by the r.apists and urged to seek a solution from the empty sky god. This kept slaveowners from being murdered left and right by the slaves. Remember Calvin Candie from Django Unchained? He thought it was phrenology, that Africans are submissive by nature.


I am not defending slavery . Neither does the OP or the bible support slavery . Some people make mendacious claims with the bible to buttress their claims
KingEbukasBlog:


Atheists have been what ?? North Korea's president takes children as sex slaves . And gosh , the atheists that support abortion are preponderant

The bible made it clear that false prophets will inveigle lots of people into heeding to false doctrine .

Ephesians 4:14
As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by varied and strange teachings; for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, through which those who were so occupied were not benefited.



Winner01 , ireneony , Seun , Johnydon22 , Plaetton , Weah96 , Dalaman , JackBizzle , Hahn , freecocoa

The Scottish Parliament debated legalising incest on Jan 26 , 2016 . Richard Morris, who lives in Australia, in his petition wrote: "Public fears, prejudice and bigotry about ACI [Adult Consenting Incest] are mostly due to ignorance created over many years mostly by the church and church-influenced governments and newspapers, in much the same way as public fears and bigotry about homosexuality were created.



The inner atheist agrees that incest is right and they saw the activities of the church to deter incestuous relationships as ignorant grin . I dey hail una . This proves another thing , God and the bible deplore incest . cool

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Weah96: 3:24am On Jul 07, 2016
@kingebukasblog: begin go. Don't be surprised to find yourself clutching a machete one day in defense of your god. Remember, Jewish slavery is different from regular slavery because Jewish slaves could become citizens. Hahaha. Just not 100%.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Nobody: 4:00am On Jul 07, 2016
So summary of this post is that where the bible supported slavery, its actually referring to employer employee

But where it condemns it, its actual slavery its referring to grin


No hypocrisy or cherry picking here


Hmmmmm



Okay

Just passing by

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by dalaman: 7:05am On Jul 07, 2016
winner01:

What exactly is the meaning of lies? Anything that is against atheism? undecided



So dalaman, I ask you. What is the lie in this fine thread? undecided

Let me point out some of the lies and revitionist garbage. This is the work of an apologist that just refuses to accept that slavery was sanctioned by the bible. He uses the classical excuse all apologist use which is to say that the words used or translated do not really mean what they say. They will change the meaning of words by telling lies because they know that people do not understand Hebrew.




[quote author=KingEbukasBlog post=47279812]By [url=http://www.reformedapologeticsministries.com/2015/01/the-bible-and-slavery-answering-atheists.html]


"Slavery" in the Old Testament
Indentured service
“Slave” and “Master” are not the best translations of ‘ebed and ‘adon. The Hebrew word used for “slave” or “servant” in the relevant Old Testament texts is ‘ebed. It simply means “employee” or “servant” and should not be translated “slave.” Paul Copan has noted Old Testament scholar John Goldingay affirms, “. . .there is nothing inherently lowly or undignified about being an ‘ebed.” Instead it was an honourable and dignified term"(1).

The guy just begins by LYING OPENLY. The man is a christian who know that christians do not understand Hebrew and uses that to lie to them. He claims that the word "ebed" doesn't mean slave but should rather mean employee or servant which is a big lie. The true meaning of the word is slave. If you go to the Jewish encyclopedia it cleary says that the word means slave but wrongly translated as servant in most English bibles. Even the JPS which the Jews regard as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew bible uses slave. From the Jewish encyclopedia it says:

"The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant"


http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13799-slaves-and-slavery

The apologist will tell lies about the meaning of Jewish words and then appeal to some fringe authority. He will look for people like him and drop their names as scholars in the field just to decieve people.

One thing I noticed is that the Jews don't lie liken the christians. They accept what is written without going out of their ways to change words, revise things or tell much lies the way christian apologist do. For example if you point to the OT atrocities carried out byGod and his chosen men. A Rabbi will just tell you that God is a God of Justice while a Christian apologist like William Craig will tell you that maybe the Hebrews got it wrong and where not told by God to do the things they wrote down. William Craig once said it in his debate with Eddy Tabash .

Here again he is lying when he says this:


. For example, Exodus 21 demands these servants be treated as persons and not property. If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated.

This is actually not true because slaves can be beaten but they are not to be killed or servely injured. They are the owners property as clearly stated in the verse below. So the apologist is just telling lies as always when he says that slaves are not to be treated as property. The bible says other wise.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21)

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

The slaves are to be treated as property and can be passed over as inheritanceto a person's kids. So the apologist is lying when he says they are not to be treated as property. Pure lies.


Unbelievers also bring up Exodus 21:7-11 which mentions a man selling his daughter as an ‘amah, which is rendered “slave” or “servant.” However, based on contextual considerations, Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser
“This paricope pertains to a girl who is sold by her father, not for slavery, but for marriage. Nonetheless, she is designated a ‘servant’ (‘amah, v. 7). Should the terms of marriage not be fulfilled, it is to be considered a breach of contract, and the purchaser must allow the girl to be redeemed; she must not be sold outside that family (v. cool. Always she must be treated as a daughter or a free-born woman, or the forfeiture clause will be invoked”(7).



Here again the bible puts it very differently.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)


These apologist lie, twist and throws words around claiming context when all they do is just tell lies.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by MrPresident1: 7:19am On Jul 07, 2016
The future for everyone who refuses the free offer of Christ's salvation is SLAVERY grin

[size=15pt]SLAVERY[/size] grin grin grin cheesy
Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by winner01(m): 8:28am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:

Let me point out some of the lies and revitionist garbage. This is the work of an apologist that just refuses to accept that slavery was sanctioned by the bible. He uses the classical excuse all apologist use which is to say that the words used or translated do not really mean what they say. They will change the meaning of words by telling lies because they know that people do not understand Hebrew.
Even before I asked you to read the article, you already concluded it was a lie and so i'm not surprised at this horribly lame attempt to discharge yourself.
People may not know Hebrew but they have the internet which has several language dictionaries.


dalaman:
The guy just begins by LYING OPENLY. The man is a christian who know that christians do not understand Hebrew and uses that to lie to them. He claims that the word "ebed" doesn't mean slave but should rather mean employee or servant which is a big lie. The true meaning of the word is slave. If you go to the Jewish encyclopedia it cleary says that the word means slave but wrongly translated as servant in most English bibles. Even the JPS which the Jews regard as the most accurate English translation of the Hebrew bible uses slave. From the Jewish encyclopedia it says:

"The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant"


http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13799-slaves-and-slavery

The apologist will tell lies about the meaning of Jewish words and then appeal to some fringe authority. He will look for people like him and drop their names as scholars in the field just to decieve people.

One thing I noticed is that the Jews don't lie liken the christians. They accept what is written without going out of their ways to change words, revise things or tell much lies the way christian apologist do. For example if you point to the OT atrocities carried out byGod and his chosen men. A Rabbi will just tell you that God is a God of Justice while a Christian apologist like William Craig will tell you that maybe the Hebrews got it wrong and where not told by God to do the things they wrote down. William Craig once said it in his debate with Eddy Tabash .


The op opines that:
KingEbukasBlog:
“Slave” and “Master” are not the best translations of ‘ebed and ‘adon. The Hebrew word used for “slave” or “servant” in the relevant Old Testament texts is ‘ebed. It simply means “employee” or “servant” and should not be translated “slave.” Paul Copan has noted Old Testament scholar John Goldingay affirms, “. . .there is nothing inherently lowly or undignified about being an ‘ebed.” Instead it was an honourable and dignified term"(1)
Simply because as we will see, they were treated higher than slaves. He also gives the name of a credible Historian to support his claim. dalaman on the other hand feels he is a better historian that any christian historian.


Let me quickly point out dalaman 's mischief:

dalaman 's twist and turn:
dalaman:
"The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant"
The truth: The most popular English Bible versions rightfully translates the word "ebed" as slaves: NLV, ESV, NASB, KJV, ISV, HCSB, NET Bible, GWT, NAS, KJV 2000, AKJV et al.
What the Jewish Encyclopaedia really said: The Hebrew word "'ebed" really means "slave"; but the English Bible renders it "servant" (a) where the word is used figuratively, pious men being "servants of the Lord" (Isa. xx. 3), and courtiers "servants of the king" (Jer. xxxvii. 2); and (b) in passages which refer to Hebrew bondmen, whose condition is far above that of slavery (Ex. xxi. 2-7). Where real slaves are referred to, the English versions generally use "bondman" for "'ebed," and "bondwoman" or "bondmaid" for the corresponding feminines

The dictionary meaning of the word figuratively: The adverb figuratively describes something symbolic, not actual. For example, If a friend invites you to tonight's concert but you already have plans with your family, you might say — figuratively — that your hands are tied.

The Jewish encyclopaedia recognizes that the english versions that use the word servant, make use of it figuratively.

Conclusion: dalaman intentionally abridged the statement from the Jewish Encyclopaedia to make it look as if it is in contrast with the Bible




Also, The op rightfully says:
KingEbukasBlog:
For example, Exodus 21 demands these servants be treated as persons and not property. If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated.
And backs it up with solid biblical claims:If a servant who owed a debt came in with his wife, then after 6 years they both were allowed to leave together, not just one (v. 3). Exodus 21:26-27 says if a boss injured a servant, the servant was to be set free. Such abuse was not tolerated. Deuteronomy 15:16 shows servants often truly loved the leaders of the household and thought of them as family. Leviticus 25:53 says such servants were to be treated as men “hired from year to year” not “rule[d ] over ruthlessly.” They were even to be given a regular day off during the week (Exodus 23:12). Also, Israelite servants could not be sold by their bosses (Leviticus 25:42) and are even differentiated from slaves in this text since it says “they shall not be sold as slaves.” Lastly, Deuteronomy 15:13-14 affirms once a servant’s service was over after 6 years, he was not to leave empty handed. The boss was commanded to furnish him out of his flock, and with corn and wine.
What other explanation proves a contractual agreement? Even though the history regarded them as property, we can see that slavery was clearly based on a lawful mutual agreement.

dalamans simulation:
dalaman:
This is actually not true because slaves can be beaten but they are not to be killed or servely injured. The slaves are to be treated as property and can be passed over as inheritance to a person's kids.


The Jewish encyclopaedia also disagrees with dalaman: [b]The duty of treating the Hebrew servant and handmaid otherwise than as slaves, and above all their retention in service for a limited time only, was deemed by the lawgiver of such importance that the subject was put next to the Decalogue at the very head of civil legislation (Ex. xxi. 2-11). It is treated in its legal bearings also (Lev. xxv. 39-54; Deut. xv. 12-18). The prophet Jeremiah (Jer. xxxiv. 8-24) denounces the permanent enslavement of Hebrew men and women by their masters as the gravest of national sins, for which the kingdom of Judah forfeits all claim to God's mercy, and justly sinks into ruin and exile.

Also In Rabbinical Literature:The Hebrew servant referred to in the Torah is of two classes: (1) he whom the court has sold without his consent; and (2) he who has willingly sold himself. The court may sell a man for theft only, as noted above. A man may sell himself (Lev. xxv. 39) because of extreme poverty, after all his means are exhausted; he should not sell himself as long as any means are left to him. He should not sell himself to a woman, nor to a convert, nor to a Gentile. Should he do so, however, even if he sells himself to a heathen temple, the sale is valid; but it then becomes the duty not only of his kinsmen, but of all Israelites, to redeem him, lest he become "swallowed up" in heathendom. The sale of a Hebrew into bondage should be made privately, not from an auction-block, nor even from the sidewalk, where other slaves are sold.
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The op also said
KingEbukasBlog:
: Unbelievers also bring up Exodus 21:7-11 which mentions a man selling his daughter as an ‘amah, which is rendered “slave” or “servant.” However, based on contextual considerations, Old Testament scholar Walter Kaiser
“This paricope pertains to a girl who is sold by her father, not for slavery, but for marriage. Nonetheless, she is designated a ‘servant’ (‘amah, v. 7). Should the terms of marriage not be fulfilled, it is to be considered a breach of contract, and the purchaser must allow the girl to be redeemed; she must not be sold outside that family (v. cool. Always she must be treated as a daughter or a free-born woman, or the forfeiture clause will be invoked”(7).

In Dalaman 's haste and determination to disprove the Bible, he did not realize that the verse he quoted fully supports the op :
dalaman:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11)




The Jewish encyclopaedia also supports the op: [b]According to tradition, a Hebrew female may not be sold by the court for theft, nor may she sell herself; she may be sold for a bondmaid ("amah"wink only in the one way shown in Ex. xxi. 7: "When a man sells his daughter for a bondmaid" (A. V. "maid servant"wink. The father has this power over his daughter only while she is a minor, that is, less than twelve years of age, or at least while she does not bear the signs of puberty; and he should use his right only in the extreme of poverty, and then as the last resort before selling himself. The sale becomes complete by the delivery of money or money's worth, or through a deed ("sheṭar"wink written in the father's name. The girl remains in service at most six years, like a man servant. If the jubilee arrives before the expiration of this term she is discharged by virture of that fact; or if the master dies, though he leaves a son, she goes free. She may also obtain her freedom by redemption at a reduced price, as explained above, or by a deed of emancipation given to her by her master. All this is implied in the words of the text (Deut. xv., Hebr.), "Thou shalt do likewise to thy bondmaid." But over and above all these paths to liberty she has another: as soon as her signs of puberty appear the master must marry her or must betroth her to his son, or must send her free. In case of marriage she stands as a wife on the same footing as any freewoman in Israel. By the very words of the text in Exodus the master is forbidden to sell her to an outsider (lit. "to a foreign people"wink, either as a worker or as a wife.

In conclusion, it may be said of Hebrew man servants and bondmaids that, unlike Canaanite servants, they do not become free by reason of an assault on the part of the master which results in the loss of an eye or a tooth; but, as shown under Assault and Battery, in such a case the master is liable to them in an action for damages.
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dalaman 's reply is disgraceful and does not portray an educated person. It is more disgraceful that his fellow atheists did not bother to scrutinize his claims but hurriedly and ignorantly opted to like his comment. dalaman was more concerned with disproving the bible rather than finding out the truth. He deceitfully abridged quotes from the Jewish encyclopaedia to suit his selfish claims and mislead the public.

This further proves that the op is consistent with the claims of the Bible and that of the Jewish encyclopaedia. It also proves that dalaman could hardly find a lie in the numerous claims made by the op. The few claims dalaman thought were lies have been supported by the very reference he posted. The Jewish Encyclopaedia. He did not look before leaping, just like cloudgoddess have similarly done.

It finally proves that when a piece of solid evidence shatters the notions of an atheist, they have nothing meaningful to say but to call it a lie.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by CAPSLOCKED: 8:46am On Jul 07, 2016
KingEbukasBlog:


Matthew 7:6
6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.





SO WHAT SHOULD I DO WITH THIS?
I DRINK BEER, NOT SWINE MILK.

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Nobody: 8:51am On Jul 07, 2016
dalaman:


Let me point out some of the lies and revitionist garbage. This is the work of an apologist that just refuses to accept that slavery was sanctioned by the bible. He uses the classical excuse all apologist use which is to say that the words used or translated do not really mean what they say. They will change the meaning of words by telling lies because they know that people do not understand Hebrew.






Like Seun said some days back, won't it be ironic if BuyBull is true? Since these people are here using lies to defend their god and all liars shall burn in hell

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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by Nobody: 8:57am On Jul 07, 2016
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Re: The Bible And Slavery: Answering Ignorant Atheists by dalaman: 9:05am On Jul 07, 2016
hopefullandlurd:
So summary of this post is that where the bible supported slavery, its actually referring to employer employee

But where it condemns it, its actual slavery its referring to grin


No hypocrisy or cherry picking here


Hmmmmm



Okay

Just passing by

Perfect summary. These apologist will twist and turn words and give them every meaning in the world. Imagine someone that just wants to tell lies saying that the words were inaccurately translated without giving us the accurate Hebrew words. These guys are ridiculous.

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