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ANTI SHIP MISSILES(ASM/AShM)

The advent of the anti-ship missile has increased the vulnerability of naval ships.this article aims to provide a brief idea of anti ship missile system and related details.
ASMs can be launched from OTH (over-the-horizon) distances, at sea skimming altitudes just above the top of waves and have sufficient ECCM by which they can counter at least some of the countermeasures applied by the ship. eg HARPOON, EXOCET, URAN etc



In addition to the sea-skimming altitudes, their high transonic speed makes early detection hard which translates into a very short response time for the appropriate countermeasure.
the response time is further reduced by the advent of anti-ship missiles with maneuvering capability at supersonic speeds. eg brahmos,moskit



The threat is even worse if a number of these missiles are launched from different platforms simultaneously ie coordinated attack to saturate the air defenses of the target ship.(WOLF PACK MODE)

Some of the ASMs are capable of locking on to the radar emissions of a ship. most modern missiles have anti-jam capabilities and either shut off their seekers and continue on the previous path or lock/home on to the jammer (Home On Jam) if jammed. also many missiles are capable of locking on to the IR signature of a ship making them even more dangerous.newer ASMs are capable of differentiating between the chaff and the ship by using pulse doppler radars in their seekers.
u must understand that radar can act as a homing beacon for some ASMs and thus cannot be relied upon totally as it may have to be shut down in case the missile locks on to the radar emissions.
the other method of detecting the ASM is the ESM on board the ship. using the forward scatter of the missile radar, it should be detected at long ranges. although most sea skimming missiles do not go active until they are fairly close to the target they do have to operate their radar altimeters all the time. a part of this signal is reflected by the waves in the forward direction and could be picked up by a ships ESM systems if they are sensitive enough to detect this forward scatter . this opens up the possibility of jamming the altimeter frequency.
Also a missile not using the altimeter continuously would have to operate at higher altitudes and thus become vurnerable to the anti air missiles.


However, if the missile uses passive HOJ or locks on to the IR signature of the ship it would not be detected by conventional ESM. also the use of spread spectrum techniques in the missile radars makes them much harder to detect by ESM. the problem of stealth used by some missiles nowdays can be overcomed by looking for them in the IR region due to that fact that they cannot reduce their IR signature especially if they go to higher operating speeds. thus the IR detection systems will allow us to detect the ASMs.
Also missile like NSM use stealth technology to reduce the RCS and thus reduce the reaction time of the defender. these advance missiles have various ECCM techniques incorporated and thus the ships ECM is rendered useless.



There are 4 stages involved in a missile attack by a ASM

1. the first phase depends on first detecting the target ship. one has to locate and identify where the enemy ships are. this is the surveillance phase. radar is one type of sensor which is used for surveillance. the surveillance radars may in some cases be land based but can also be mounted on satellites, aircrafts uavs etc.

2. the 2nd stage is the deployment of attacking launch platforms and selection of specific targets for missiles or gun fire. this is called the targeting phase. the radars employed in targeting are usually aboard the ships or aircraft that launch the Anti-Ship Missiles.

3. in the third phase, i.e the mid course guidance phase occurs after the missile launch. the midcourse portion of the guidance phase may or may not use radar sensors. some anti- ship missiles use inertial guidance untill they approach the target, then turn on their radar and acquire the target.

4. the fourth phase is the terminal guidance phase, in which the missile radar/IR seeker is actively
tracking the target ship, and attempts to home on the radar echo/heat signature.
thus for a anti ship missile to be successful it is necessary for each of the stages to be successfully negotiated.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl48bwYBDfA
brahmos AShM in action

In order to effectively engage the missile, detection and tracking of the missile has
to be maintained by means of active and the passive sensors.
1. active detection includes radar and laser.
2. passive detection includes detecting the missiles active radar, electronics, acoustic, thermal IR emissions and other power sources from the target.

Passive detection ranges are much greater than the active detection ranges due to the one way propagation of the electromagnetic wave in the propagation medium. after initial detection and identification is gained, a targeting solution is obtained by employing specific location of the target. once the targeting solution is obtained the anti-missile weapons can be launched. active detection and targeting sensors are in turn subjected to passive detection by the enemy defence providing alert and warning. the best solution is of course to destroy the missile launch platform. however, this is not always possible.

One way of putting the enemy at serious disdvantage is to make them shoot at nothing i.e use decoys, electronic warfare, and even hack the enemy network to create illusory targets. 3 layered defence envelope is necessary to shoot/seduce the incoming missile with

1.anti-missile missiles eg RIM-162 ESSM , Barak 1 & 8 etc

2.close-In Weapon System eg Phalanx , AK-630M , Type 1130, OTO Melara- medium calibre guns etc

3.decoy systems (chaff, flares or active decoys are employed to seduce attacking anti ship missiles by creating false targets.)

eg MASS (Multi Ammunition Soft Kill System) shipborne decoy launcher system: MASS is a compact, reactive and fully automatic soft-kill launcher system deploying programmable multi-spectral Omni-Trap decoy rounds with radar, IR, laser, EO and ultraviolet payload, thus providing protection against against anti-ship missiles employing radio frequency (RF) microwave, infrared (IR) and/or electro-optical (EO) seekers.
also Off-board Corner Reflector (OCR) decoys can be utilize to provide an improved capability against anti-ship RF seekers.


picture of Corner Reflector (OCR) decoys


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjIBv_GD0H0
CENTURION Naval Decoy Launcher by Chemring Countermeasures

however in a fast paced sea battle u can run out of anti missile interceptors, since they are carried only in small numbers.another option is to use laser weapons or electromagnetic rail guns, which are kind of unhindered by the no of reloads.
also modern ASMs capable of turning around and searching for the ship again if it has been decoyed by a chaff,IR decoys etc and has not hit anything. Thus we can see that ASMs are getting more and more intelligent and becoming very dangerous adversary to deal with.

use laser weapons or electromagnetic rail guns over killing.

US has just begun to test not yet mass equipt, that's beyond consideration of most coutries. Show me some real pictures ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/06/the-pentagons-electromagnetic-rail-gun-makes-its-public-debut/
really good .No supprise US can conquer the whole world ,even mars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0DbgNju2wE

The Afloat Forward Staging Base (Interim) USS Ponce (ASB(I) 15) conducts an operational demonstration of the Office of Naval Research (ONR)-sponsored Laser Weapon System (LaWS) while deployed to the Arabian Gulf.

a stepping stone to practical laser based weapon system

chinese8107:
use laser weapons or electromagnetic rail guns over killing.

US has just begun to test not yet mass equip, that's beyond consideration of most coutries. Show me some real pictures ?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/02/06/the-pentagons-electromagnetic-rail-gun-makes-its-public-debut/
really good .No supprise US can conquer the whole world ,even mars.

your participation here on this thread is very much welcomed

but no propaganda please , let Chinese government propaganda department deal with it unless you are in their employ

keep to topic

Trumpeter 1К17/1K17 Szhatie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUFRuap87yI

The 1K17 Szhatie (Russian:1К17 Сжатие — "Compression" is a self-propelled laser vehicle of Russian origin. The platform uses a Msta-S chassis with a battery of laser projectors mounted in the turret. It was developed by the Soviet Union in order to disable the optical-electronic equipment of enemy missiles, ground and aerial vehicles.
The "tank" used an intense laser beam to disable the optical-electronic equipment of the enemy vehicles. This was created by focusing light through 30 kg of artificial rubies which made the whole system very expensive to produce. The optics that produced the laser were placed at the end of a silver coated spiral which helped amplify the beam and increase convergence. The energy to power the laser was provided by a generator and an auxiliary battery system. The lenses themselves were able to operate in different environments by moving metal caps closer to protect the lens. It was also equipped with a 12.7mm NSV machine gun to defend itself against attacks by infantry and air.
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, the development of the Szhatie was abandoned, as the development and manufacturing of the laser projection system had become too expensive and unnecessary.
it was/is basically a defensive weapon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19OaIuJe5KY

General Atomic - Land-Based Mobile Blitzer Railgun land based concept.
research at advance stage.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4_LZ8fL-Mc
General Atomics - Blitzer Electromagnetic Railgun Test Firing

the projectile is going approx 9600 miles per hour, which is ~mach 12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELgua-Slx2o

The Kashtan (Russian: Каштан, English: Chestnut) close-in weapon system (CIWS) is a modern naval air defence gun-missile system deployed by the Russian Navy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z1ffdvLWXA

The weapon is a modular system consisting of a command module and typically two combat modules.
The command module detects and tracks threats, distributes targeting data to the combat modules, and interrogates IFF of approaching threats. The command module has a 3-D target detection radar, and an all weather multi-band integrated control system. Depending on the number of installed combat modules, the system can engage multiple targets simultaneously. The combat modules automatically track using either radar, electro-optronic control system (such as FLIRs) or both, and then engages targets with missiles and guns. The combat modules are typically equipped with two GSh-30K (AO-18K) six-barrel 30 mm rotary cannons, fed by a link-less feeding mechanism, and two 9M311 launchers equipped with 4 ready-to-fire missiles each and fed by a reloading system storing 32 missiles in ready-to-launch containers.

The missiles used in the Kashtan are the 9M311 missiles, which is also used on the 9K22 Tunguska. The 9M311 is a SACLOS guided missile, however, it is steered automatically by the command module. The warhead weighs 9 kilograms (20 lb) and is either laser or radio fused. The warhead is a continuous-rod warhead with a steel cube fragmentation layer. The detonation of the warhead will form a complete circle of fragmentation that is 5 meters in radius, and damage or destroy anything in that circle.

The combination of the missiles and guns, provides more comprehensive protection when compared to other CIWS utilising either missiles or guns only. The system's combined kill probability is 0.96 to 0.99.

though in tropical and hot climate the system performance was low due to electronics failure .in Indian ships these problems were reported.

A couple of weeks ago, Saab unveiled its next-generation fighter. Dubbed “The Smart Fighter,” it’s aimed at markets not yet cleared to buy the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, as reported by the Daily Mail.

With its fly-by-wire avionics and distinctive delta wing design, the Gripen E is similar to its predecessors. The difference is in its increased fuel capacity, 20 percent more thrust, extra pylons for carrying more weapons, and advanced electronics that feed tactical information to the pilot and co-op forces at all times.

It’s also designed for quick and efficient maintenance, Saab claims the turnaround time between missions is 10 minutes and that the entire engine can be replaced in an hour.

At $85 million apiece, the Gripen E is significantly cheaper than the F-35, making it an attractive alternative for any military.

Some other Saab Gripen E features:

1.


The fighter’s Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) antennas—called elements—work together or independently to track different targets.

2.


Its Infrared Search and Track (IRST) system looks for heat emissions from other aircraft, helicopters and from objects on the ground and sea surface without giving its position away.

nemesis2u:


your participation here on this thread is very much welcomed

but no propaganda please , let Chinese government propaganda department deal with it unless you are in their employ

keep to topic

There is nothing about propaganda, but USA arms manufacturer will thank you for advertising their equipment , won't they?
Have they sell you or sell India or anyother county this weapon?

I don't work for any propaganda or advertising department of any country,but if you like you may just feel free.


I just said it's far from being mature,and USA is not the only coutry that is developing it.

3.



Its Electronic Warfare system alerts the pilot when it has been detected by radar, warns for incoming missiles, and used for electronic attacks.

4.


The pylons give it the flexibility to carry an array of weapons, making it deadlier than previous versions.

5.


The Gripen’s multi-frequency data links provide situational awareness to other fighters.

6.


Its Radar Warning Receiver and Missile Approach Warning systems increase the Gripen’s survivability in combat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YDtpEiQL4Q

Saab Unveils the New Gripen E Smart Fighter

chinese8107:


There is nothing about propaganda, but USA arms manufacturer will thank you for advertising their equipment , won't they?
Have they sell you or sell India or anyother county this weapon?

I don't work for any propaganda or advertising department of any country,but if you like you may just feel free.


I just said it's far from being mature,and USA is not the only coutry that is developing it.

are you blind or are you uneducated brain dead.

i am a fan of Russian technology
and i give credit where credit is due unlike chinese who STEAL AND COPY PASTE.



look stay on topic if not open your own thread and post your crap there.

nemesis2u:


are you blind or are you uneducated brain dead.

i am a fan of Russian technology
and i give credit where credit is due unlike chinese who STEAL AND COPY PASTE.



look stay on topic if not open your own thread and post your crap there.

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What's wrong with any STEAL AND COPY PASTE WEAPON.AS IF INDIA NEVER DONE THAT ?

Yes stay at topic
I am not interesred arguing with you.

pic 1 India made 20mm anti-material rifle
pic 2 South Africa danel dynamic designed 20mm anti-material rifle
pic 3 ,4 China made 35/40mm anti-material AGL

another land based laser weapon system


MBDA Deutschland is presenting a new 360-degree laser weapon (c) MBDA Deutschland ‏@MBDADeutschland
MBDA Deutschland is presenting a new, flexibly deployable laser effector, which can be integrated onto both marine and land-based platforms via standardised interfaces at the international aerospace exhibition ILA 2016 Berlin Air Show..

The new weapon system is especially suitable for defence against highly agile targets such as UAVs, rockets and mortar shells.

Thanks to its novel optics, it can acquire the target in a 360-degree operational arc, track and destroy it using its powerful laser beam. The solution stands out thanks to its high accuracy, scalable effect and low logistics overhead and minimum costs per firing.

MBDA is the only European group capable of designing and producing missiles and missile systems to meet the whole range of current and future needs of the three armed forces.

The 9A4172 Vikhr is a Russian long-range anti-tank guided missile. It is known in the West as the AT-16 Scallion. It was developed in the Soviet Union during the 1980s. At the time Soviets needed a new missiles, to replace the 9K114 Shturm (AT-6 Spiral) system, that could penetrate contemporary Western main battle tanks with composite and explosive reactive armor, such as the American M1 Abrams, German Leopard 2, and British Challenger. Prototypes were tested by the Soviet armed forces in 1989. First production missiles were delivered in 1992. During the same year the Vikhr was first publicly revealed. Since its introduction sales of the Vikhr missile have been slow, partly because Russia also uses Ataka missile, developed by another manufacturer, which is similar in function, but uses different guidance. In 2013 Russian MoD ordered over 6 000 Vikhr-1 missiles in order to prevent the manufacturer from going bankrupt. Delivery was completed in 2016. The Vikhr has been exported to Egypt, and possibly some countries.

Launchers with the Vikhr missiles can be mounted on helicopters, vehicles and watercraft. This missile is typically used on Russian helicopters, such as the Ka-52, and Su-25T ground attack aircraft. However much more numerous Russian Mil attack helicopters, such as the Mi-24and Mi-28 are typically equipped with broadly similar Ataka anti-tank missiles.

The Vikhr missiles are used in conjunction with APU-6 and APU-8 aviation launchers. The APU-6 launcher carries 6 missiles and is used on the Ka-50 helicopters. The APU-8 launcher carries 8 missiles and is used on the Su-25T ground attack aircraft.

The Vikhr has a maximum range of up to 10 km. However at night the distance is reduced to 5-6 km. The missile has a tandem High-Explosive Anti-Tank (HEAT) warhead, that can defeat Explosive Reactive Armor (ERA). It is claimed that the Vikhr penetrates up to 1 000 mm of armor behind ERA. The missile detonates on contact, when launched against armored targets. It has also got a proximity fuse which gives area-effect. This feature allows to engage other non-armored targets, infantry and helicopters. So sometimes it is referred as a multi-purpose missile.

The Vikhr is a laser-guided weapon. The missile follows a laser beam, which is pointed at the target. The system has got an automatic sight unit with a TV (day) and infrared (night) channels. Target tracking and missile control are automatic. This missile is supersonic. The system allows to launch a single missile, or two missiles simultaneously against the same target.

A claimed target hit probability by a single missile is up to 95% against stationary targets and up to 80% against moving targets. However at longer ranges this missile gradually looses accuracy, as the laser beam spreads out.

The missile is stored in a tube, with also acts as its launcher. It has a warehouse storage life without maintenance of up to 10 years.

The Vikhr is significantly cheaper, than the US Hellfire, which is similar in function. Its price is around $28 300 per missile, opposed to $111 000 per AGM-114L Hellfire missile.

Also there is a Russian Ataka anti-tank guided missile. It was developed during the same timeframe as the Vikhr and has the same role. Also it has comparable performance, even though the Ataka was developed by another company and has an unrelated design and different guidance.

chinese8107:


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What's wrong with any STEAL AND COPY PASTE WEAPON.AS IF INDIA NEVER DONE THAT ?

Yes stay at topic
I am not interesred arguing with you.

pic 1 India made 20mm anti-material rifle
pic 2 South Africa danel dynamic designed 20mm rifle

ILL INFORMED PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT KNOW CRAP.

i dont know much about what India does but this much i know that denel got mixed up in corruption charges.
however the deal for denel 20mm rifle was done , payments was made , some were to be imported , rest to be made by TOT.
but when denel got blacklisted , Indian OBF could not procure the rifles from denel , so in exchange for the payments already made to denel for TOT and the initial ordered quantities , OBF entered into back channel negotiations with denel to circumvent/bypass Indian law banning any further deal with denel.

denel agreed to allow OBF to develop a indigenous version of 20mm rifle with some modifications.
with the condition that India will not export it, in direct competition to the denel NTW 20 mm rifle with the aim to circumvent/bypass Indian law banning any further deal with denel. WIN WIN situation for both countries

denel still holds the IPR to the rifle except in india, for which additional payments were made indirectly to denel through other south african defense companies which still continue to do business in India.

chinese8107:


pic 1 India made 20mm anti-material rifle
pic 2 South Africa danel dynamic designed 20mm anti-material rifle
pic 3 ,4 China made 35/40mm anti-material AGL

you post automatic grenade launcher picture when the discussion is in anti material rifle ?
seriously are trying to play the fool here are you?


now you understand .
why ur ignorant as well as stupid.

The Type 056 (Western reporting name: Jiangdao) is a mass-produced corvette class intended for operations both close to and far away from the shore. These corvettes can be used for a number of different missions.

The first Type 056 corvette was adopted by the Chinese Navy in 2013 for the Chinese Navy. It is currently replacing a number of older patrol craft, corvettes and frigates in Chinese service. In addition, the Type 056 has been exported to Nigeria and Bangladesh.

The Type 056 is suitable for “green-water” operations. Basically, its design (and particularly its draught) is small enough for shallow coastal service, but seaworthy and large enough for open sea patrols. Nevertheless, it is still not a true open sea ship.

The Type 056 is fitted with a number of stealth features, although it is certainly not a stealth ship. These features include sloped surfaces and a compact superstructure.

The Type 056 augments the Type 022 missile boats in coastal patrols and the Type 054A class frigates in open sea operations.





Variants

Type 056A: a designation used to describe the newer and improved ships of the Type 056 class that have been equipped with towed and variable depth sonar. Production of these began late in 2013.

Coast Guard variant: a version of the Type 056 with some superstructure changes and lacking all armament.

P18: export model of the Type 056 with somewhat larger dimensions. Armament, however, appears to be essentially the same. The P18 itself has two different sub variants, the C13B and P18N, depending on the country. So far, four P18’s have already been exported—two to Bangladesh and two to Nigeria. Another is in production for Nigeria as well. In addition, Kazakhstan and Argentina have considered buying P18’s. The P18 has an estimated cost of $50 million.

C13B: a sub variant of the P18 for use by the Bangladesh Navy. It carries the same equipment as the Type 056, except that it lacks the sonar and torpedo tubes. So, clearly, it is to be a simple patrol vessel with short-range anti-air capability, but with no ASW equipment. Bangladesh already operates two of this class, and another two are under construction. Unlike the P18N, the 13B is about the same size as the standard Type 056.

P18N: termed an offshore patrol vessel (OPV), the P18N is Nigeria’s variant of the P18. It is a good deal larger at 1800 tons and 95 meters in length. Armament is almost entirely for surface-to-surface warfare. It carries a single 76 mm gun, two 30 mm guns, and two 20 mm guns. It also has both a hangar and landing pad. So far, two are in service and it is unlikely that any others will be.


Despite its small size, the Type 056 packs a sizeable punch. It is a competent Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) vessel with two 324 mm torpedo tubes and landing pad, but not a hanger, for a single Z-9C helicopter. This helicopter can use radar, sonar, and anti-submarine torpedoes. Also, according to some sources, the Type 056 warship has Type 87 anti-submarine rockets. The equipping of the newer variants with towed and variable depth sonars indicates that a major role, perhaps the main role, of the Type 056 Class is anti-submarine warfare.

When engaging ships, the Type 056 uses two twin-cell launchers for supersonic sea-skimming YJ-83 anti-ship cruise missiles that have a range of around 200 kilometers. For close range this corvette has a single AK-176 76 mm gun. It fires 12 kg shells at a rate of 30-120 rounds per minute to a maximum range of 15 kilometers. This gun has 152 rounds ready to fire at all times. It can be used against a wide variety of targets: ships, aircraft, coastal positions, and even missiles

The Type 056’s air defense system is for short-range use only. The single FL-3000N launcher is loaded with eight HQ-10 short-range Surface-to-Air Missiles (SAMs). These missiles are of fire-and-forget type and have a range of 3-9 kilometers. As stated before, the AK-176 is a capable weapon against many targets including aircraft and missiles up to a maximum range of 15 kilometers. In addition, the Type 056’s two 30 mm cannons, which can be operated manually or automatically, are reasonably effective close-range “last-ditch” weapons.

Other equipment of the Type 056 class includes one inflatable boat, four inflatable life rafts, two jammers, decoy launchers, Type 347G fire-control radar, and bow-mounted sonar.

The Type 056 has been produced at a prodigious rate—production only started in 2012 and already, on February 20, 2016, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has commissioned its 25th vessel of the class. In comparison, production of a contemporary US class, the Freedom class, has been tremendously slow—production began in 2005, and only 3 ships have been commissioned as of 2016.

The Type 056 class is built with a deep V-shape. This shape improves speed and seaworthiness, possibly making this corvette class safe in Sea State 8.

Although it possesses some significant armament, the Type 056 is designed primarily for coastal patrol missions and other low-intensity tasks.

The PLAN may commission as many as 60 ships of the class, although a smaller number like 30 is more probable.

The 9K333 Verba Man-Portable Air Defense System (MANPADS) was developed by the Russian Konstruktorskoye Byuro Mashinostroyenia (KBM). It was unveiled in 2015. It was developed as a replacement for the 9K38 Igla system, which is currently used by Russian forces. Igla system is being used by many countries worldwide.

The new Verba system uses a surface-to-air missile to engage air targets. It was approved for production in 2011 and adopted by the Russian Armed Forces in 2014. It is also being proposed for export customers.

Verba's kill range is similar to the Igla-S (6 Km) and operating altitude is about 4.5 Km. But the engagement envelope has been extended by a factor of 2.5 besides improved protection from countermeasures. General performance factor has been increased by 1.5 to 2.

The main improvement of the Verba over Igla-S is a three-channel optical seeker. The Verba features a multispectral optical seeker, developed by LOMO – St. Petersburg. This three-channel seeker constitutes ultraviolet, near infrared and mid-infrared sensors. Sensor inputs are cross checked to determine the targets against decoys thereby improving accuracy and avoids countermeasures deployed by targets. The seeker has the capability to trace the heat build up in wings and fuselage due to air resistance, apart from the conventional engine heat tracing methods. This enables a head-on approach of target engagement.

Warhead size is about 1.5 kg and has been developed by RFNS – VNIIEF facility in Sarov.

The Verba MANPADS constitutes a 9P521 launcher, Maugli-2M infrared imaging sight (by LOMO) and a ground based identification friend-or-foe interrogator.

The new MANPADS also includes integrated automated control system. This enables data usage from both ground and early radar warning aircraft. Thus targets can be traced in advance and passed to MANPAD operators for engagement. Conventional MANPADS work by firing after target passes thereby relying on a pursuit based approach. The early warning systems integrated into Verba MANPADS enables an early engagement of aircraft. This improves strike chances and the head-on approach avoids the rear flare decoys used by most aircrafts today. The Verba MANPADS outweighs every other MANPADS developed so far, globally. Its accuracy, operating parameters and seeker capability makes it a formidable air defense weapon system.

nemesis2u:



ILL INFORMED PEOPLE LIKE YOU DONT KNOW CRAP.

i dont know much about what India does but this much i know that denel got mixed up in corruption charges.
however the deal for denel 20mm rifle was done , payments was made , some were to be imported , rest to be made by TOT.
but when denel got blacklisted , Indian OBF could not procure the rifles from denel , so in exchange for the payments already made to denel for TOT and the initial ordered quantities , OBF entered into back channel negotiations with denel to circumvent/bypass Indian law banning any further deal with denel.

denel agreed to allow OBF to develop a indigenous version of 20mm rifle with some modifications.
with the condition that India will not export it, in direct competition to the denel NTW 20 mm rifle with the aim to circumvent/bypass Indian law banning any further deal with denel. WIN WIN situation for both countries

denel still holds the IPR to the rifle except in india, for which additional payments were made indirectly to denel through other south african defense companies which still continue to do business in India.

now you understand .
why ur ignorant as well as stupid.

Who is ignorant and stupid?

Let me tell you,according to the law China do not protect copyright or patents of weapons in condition that the origin country put embargo or ban or sanctions against China.

While for those country don't put ban or embargos,there are many examples China doing business in arms trade and obey the copyright & patents protections

pic: UK the Rolls-Royce Spey mk202 jet engine sold TOT and license to China in 1980s used on JH7 fighter-bomber

chinese8107:


Who is ignorant and stupid?

Let me tell you,according to the law China do not protect copyright or patents of weapons or arms in condition that the origin country put embargo or ban or sanctions against China.

While for those country don't put ban or embargos,there are many examples China doing business in arms trade and obey the copyright & patents protections

pic: UK spey mk202 jet engine sell TOT and license to China in 1980s used on JH7

i know all these and more,

china can do what it wants it is not my business .

i mentioned china before in reply to ur stupid post.

nobody is stupid , nobody is blind , the other members here r knowledgeable to know what is happening all around the world.


DO NOT DERAIL THE THREAD KEEP TO TOPIC


post details on new chinese drones if you want to contribute otherwise

American laser weapon System

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indian laser weapon System

lol looks unfinished, still in R & D prototype stage.

Americans and Europeans are ahead , Russia also closing in.

nemesis2u:



you post automatic grenade launcher picture when the discussion is in anti material rifle ?
seriously are trying to play the fool here are you?


now you understand .
why ur ignorant as well as stupid.

I am not ignorant as well as stupid.

Who said the discussion must be limited to anti material rifle ? I just ramdomly pick some anti material weapons see the range the blast radius,it may not be fair but it's not Off Topic


Pic : Chinese new siniper rifle type-10 (QBU-10) 12.7mm with thermal image aiming device and laser range finder,computer Trajectory Calculation ，with max range 2km

@chinese8107

give some details about the weapons, not just pictures.

QBU-10 has a big muzzle brake
wonder about its recoil.
is it in service?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2zGy-5NfaQ

T-90MS

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Russian KRET, Shwabe and SpezStroy have started work to build the second stage of Altay Laser Optics Center (space offensive and defensive lasers lab)

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recently delivered S-400

nemesis2u:
@chinese8107

give some details about the weapons, not just pictures.

QBU-10 has a big muzzle brake
wonder about its recoil.
is it in service?

Yes in limited service

It has a brother version AMR-2 12.7 mm (pic: 3)

CS/LR4 sniper rifle, 7.62x51 NATO less recoil ( pic: 1)

For more details you may google translate the following link
http://firearmsworld.net/china/sr/qbu10/qbu10.htm (QBU-10)
http://firearmsworld.net/china/sr/cslr4/cslr4.htm (CS/LR4 )

155/52mm ADVANCED TOWED ARTILLERY GUN SYSTEM (ATAGS)



caliber :155m
barrel length : 52 cal 8060mm
max range : 55 km

rate of fire
1> burst : 3 rounds in 13 seconds
2> intense for 3 minutes : 15 rounds for 3 minutes
3> sustained : 60 rounds in 60 minutes

multiple round simultaneous impact (MRSI) capability : upto 5 rounds at 15 km with ERFB-BT ammunition

auto gun alignment and positioning system (AGAPS) : RLG/FOG based land navigation system

muzzle velocity radar (MVR) : online tracking of muzzle velocity

traverse : +/- 30 degree

elevation : -3 to +70 degree

automation : servo based elevation and traverse, electrically operated ammunition handling

mobility : self propelled at 12km/hr

turning circle diameter : 25m

battery command post : secured digital communication link for battery concept

crew : 6-8

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SALIENT FEATURES

1.RECOIL MANAGEMENT : Hydro Pneumatic Electro-Rheological (ER) / Magneto-Rheological (MR) fluid based soft recoil system

2.GUN BARREL : 25L/465MPa, Autofrettage, Tantalum / chrome coated

3.Muzzle Brake : double / triple baffle, Ti-Al alloy

4.Breech mechanism : Screw type , all electric operations

5.Fire control systems : ballistic computer

6.Sensors and Electronics : Thermal sight , gunners display , communication suite , sensors for recoil , Muzzle Velocity , barrel temperature , charge temperature , muzzle bore sight for calibration , optronics sight for direct firing upto 2.5km , day telescope for indirect firing , dial sight for indirect firing, optronics surveillance sight for battery command post range 4 km.

7.Ammunition handling system : all electric operations , auto rammer

8.Gun deployment system : hydraulic / electric , fully autonomous operation

9.95 kw auxillary power unit

10.Gun structure : Ti-Al alloy casting , honey-comb structure



developed though public-private partnership , undergoing tests