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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by M14A1: 8:36pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:


and exactly how did they find out gripen can handle the Su30MKi in BVR combat ?

gripen was evaluated along with rafale f16i typhoon mig35, with all of them being extensively flight tested by indian pilots in hot and cold conditions etc.
typhoon and rafale came out tops on the basis of technical evaluations and later rafale was selected of of the two due to lower costs.

did thailand testflight SU30MKI ?
the answer is a big no

i hope u realize articles / reports etc r not worth much in terms of credibility .

anyways good luck shooting down SU30MKI grin
u will need it, lots of it cool

and excuse me from any further discussion on this subject
thank u.



NEMESIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wink

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by nganduh: 8:40pm On Sep 26, 2016
According to SAAB's marketing people:

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 8:44pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:


oh god i am gonna die laughing, no need to kill me. grin grin grin



full FBW is not always needed.many Russian plane not FBW.
I heard Indian su30 is not full FBW not with FADEC engine.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 8:49pm On Sep 26, 2016
nganduh:
According to SAAB's marketing people:

Even my school will say her UAV is better than the the Global hawk grin grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by nganduh: 8:56pm On Sep 26, 2016
tdayof:
Even my school will say her UAV is better than the the Global hawk grin grin

Even with their bias, they did not put the Gripen C/D ahead of the F-16 C/D or the Su-27. Never mind the later variants of the Falcon and the Flanker.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:07pm On Sep 26, 2016
chinese8107:

full FBW is not always needed.many Russian plane not FBW.
I heard Indian su30 is not full FBW not with FADEC engine.

you sir are starting to give me migraine ,

say what why dont u inquire about imported chinese SU30 (not the reversed engineered /copied J11) and tell me weather it has full or half or zero FBW .
also dont forget to ask weather the engines have FADEC .

u first answer it then i will answer u questions otherwise dont bother me , i am very busy intelligence agent grin
right now i am trying to infiltrate brazzers dot com grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 9:17pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:


you sir are starting to give me migraine ,

say what why dont u inquire about imported chinese SU30 (not the reversed engineered /copied J11) and tell me weather it has full or half or zero FBW .
also dont forget to ask weather the engines have FADEC .

u first answer it then i will answer u questions otherwise dont bother me , i am very busy intelligence agent grin
right now i am trying to infiltrate brazzers dot com grin

su27 mono FBW, Su30 still half,su35 full FBW . China already can make full FBW with FADEC engine.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:36pm On Sep 26, 2016
chinese8107:

su27 mono FBW, Su30 still half,su35 full FBW . China already can make full FBW with FADEC engine.

what gibberish answer is this.

i ask u a specific question , so give me a specific answer.

let me repeat again
does Chinese SU30MKK/MK2 have
full FBW ?
half FBW ?
zero FBW ? grin (i believe in keeping all options open)

also does Chinese SU30MKK/MK2 engines have FADEC

answer it correctly and to the point or dont bother to ask me anything in the future

and what the hell does FBW have to do with FADEC engine
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:40pm On Sep 26, 2016
@ M14A1

u a commercial pilot ? grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 9:48pm On Sep 26, 2016
what the world is missing right now is a light single engine stealth fighter.

optimized for primary interceptor and escort role with secondary CAS role maybe.

files are pending in my country for building such an aircraft , it will ride on sub systems and technology from an existing aircraft to cut time and keep down costs. the defense ministry is likely to take a decision after consultation with the industry and relevant technical departments including the end user.

lets see grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by chinese8107: 9:57pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:


what gibberish answer is this.

i ask u a specific question , so give me a specific answer.

let me repeat again
does Chinese SU30MKK/MK2 have
full FBW ?
half FBW ?
zero FBW ?

also does Chinese SU30MKK/MK2 engines have FADEC

answer it correctly and to the point or dont bother to ask me anything in the future

and what the hell does FBW have to do with FADEC engine
Su30 has no FADEC engine,neither Indian version nor China version. The last question you obviously know.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:04pm On Sep 26, 2016
chinese8107:

Su30 has no FADEC engine,neither Indian version nor China version. The last question you obviously know.

see you knew the answers all along
and still you tried to play smart ass with me by asking me about SU30MKI FBW , FADEC and u thought i would fall for it.

hope u realize now that who ended up looking like a fool.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by M14A1: 10:12pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:
@ M14A1

u a commercial pilot ? grin
Yes

How come you know so much about stuffs grin
One doesn't acquire such knowledge by site hopping.
What exactly is your profession?

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:22pm On Sep 26, 2016
tdayof:
grin grin The Yin and Yang got me. You once lived in china?


You all can take a chill and watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO3iXNtLkug
nice video sir, very informative stuff, thanks for sharing.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:31pm On Sep 26, 2016
M14A1:

Yes

How come you know so much about stuffs grin
One doesn't acquire such knowledge by site hopping.
What exactly is your profession?


i had to struggle a lot
i have worked as a stone mason
i have worked as a wood carpenter
i have worked as a plumber
i have worked as a software engineer
i have worked as a telecom engineer
i have worked as a civil engineer (lol)
i have worked as a electronics engineer
i am a electronics engineer by qualification
and as for my present profession i cant tell u and it is non of the above grin

i envy u , i also wanted to be a pilot , but my financial background was not strong, commercial pilot training is very costly. did u train in Malaysia ?
if ur naughty being a commercial pilot has its advantage- the pretty air hostess grin
another advantage of air hostess is in transporting sensitive materials from one country to another when even diplomatic pouches are not considered safe grin
lol sometimes they carry stuff inside their tampons grin

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by M14A1: 10:41pm On Sep 26, 2016
nemesis2u:


i had to struggle a lot ,
i have worked as a stone mason
i have worked as a wood carpenter
i have worked as a plumber
i have worked as a software engineer
i have worked as a telecom engineer
i have worked as a civil engineer (lol)
i have worked as a electronics enginner
i am a electronics engineer by qualification
and as for my present profession i cant tell u and it is non of the above grin

i envy u , i also wanted to be a pilot , but my financial background was not strong, commercial pilot training is very costly. did u train in Malaysia ?
I'm pretty sure your current profession is awesome as well. So yes i envy you.
I trained in the US.

Something tells me you work with a Mega aerospace & defense Contractor cool

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:44pm On Sep 26, 2016
tdayof:
grin grin The Yin and Yang got me. You once lived in china?

no , u studying in china ?
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 10:52pm On Sep 26, 2016
M14A1:

I'm pretty sure your current profession is awesome as well. So yes i envy you.
I trained in the US.

Something tells me you work with a Mega aerospace & defense Contractor cool

no sir , i draw a very small salary grin
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 1:13am On Sep 27, 2016
tdayof:


Let solve this amicably.

You want to prove the gripen is better at some aspect, Pick up a specific aspect and let debate on it. Not just all this it has a better this and that you're all saying without enough facts.

You want to tackle radar, discuss about the radar system, compare with facts before moving to another.

I have already responded as to how the Gripen is better in comparison

It carrys a bigger payload, is faster, more maneuverable etc

With regards to radar, ours outranges you and allows simultaneous engagement of up to 4 targets

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 1:14am On Sep 27, 2016
Henry240:


The information on the block II is open-source. You can as well do you own research to verify data. Atleast we all saw the JF-17 at the Paris Air Show in 2015.

Sources are, SAAB, Aviation week, PAC & Janes.


Congrats on paying 65million on a Swedish JF-17. An aircraft that isn't even the match of an F-16 Block 52.

No, you got your "information" from a Pakistani blog.

Your information is largely incorrect

You are the one making allegations, burden of proof is on you
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 1:15am On Sep 27, 2016
Henry240:


The source has been provided. So, go do your own research.

Your source is a blog, a forum

Would quoting a post on the other thread be valid?

I have done my own research I have shown the JF17 to be inferior, you have not responded accorsingly
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 1:17am On Sep 27, 2016
Henry240:


Classification of Fighter aircrafts in China differs from how the West or Russia classifies Fighter jets. The fact China missed the first Generation of fighters, it only has 4 generations of fighter jets.


The First Generation

Second generation

3rd Generation

4th Generation.

The J-10 and JF-17 are both classified as 3 Generation fighters, while J-20 and J-31 are 4th Generation.

Generation classification is uniform
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Patchesagain: 1:19am On Sep 27, 2016
nganduh:


Even with their bias, they did not put the Gripen C/D ahead of the F-16 C/D or the Su-27. Never mind the later variants of the Falcon and the Flanker.

They didn't say it was worse either
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by bidexiii: 6:42am On Sep 27, 2016
Henry240:



You are right. I do get what i pay for. So let's compare what i pay for against what you pay for.

Good job(comparison) : with the JF -17 we are getting a good value for our money.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 8:06am On Sep 27, 2016
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the supercavitating torpedo--a rocket-propelled weapon that speeds through the water enveloped in a nearly frictionless air bubble--may render obsolete the old submarine strategy of sly maneuvering and silent running to evade the enemy. The superfast torpedo could be outfitted with conventional explosive warheads, nuclear tips or nothing at all--a 5,000-pound, 230-mph missile could do enough damage on its own.

The hard part about building a rocket-propelled torpedo isn't so much the propulsion as clearing a path through the ocean. Water creates speed-sapping drag; the best way to overcome that drag is to create a bubble that envelops the torpedo--a supercavity. A gas ejected uniformly and with enough force through a cavitator in the nose of the torpedo will provide such a bubble, permitting speeds of more than 200 mph and a range of up to 5 miles (traditional torpedoes have slightly longer ranges, but lumber at only 30 to 40 mph).

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 10:29am On Sep 27, 2016
@nemesis yes.

This baby is beautiful.

Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 11:35am On Sep 27, 2016
nemesis2u:


and exactly how did they find out gripen can handle the Su30MKi in BVR combat ?

gripen was evaluated along with rafale f16i typhoon mig35, with all of them being extensively flight tested by indian pilots in hot and cold conditions, at sea level and high altitudes , weapon test firing at all flight envelope etc etc.
typhoon and rafale came out tops on the basis of technical evaluations and later rafale was selected of of the two due to lower costs.

did Thailand testflight SU30MKI against gripen ?
the answer is a big no

i hope u realize articles / reports etc r not worth much in terms of credibility .

anyways good luck shooting down SU30MKI grin
u will need it, lots of it cool

and excuse me from any further discussion on this subject
thank u.



You know,nemeisis2u,we had this exact 'discussion,' or rather we suffered the sound of fanatical Grip fanboyism on the other thread. It got so bad I did exactly as you now leaving this comment:
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM RESPONDING TO ANYTHING TO DO WITH GRIPS!
https://www.nairaland.com/1386870/african-militaries-security-services-strictly/349#42362327

Southies,seriously! Its difficult to be taken as an adult when you insist on putting Grips and Su 30s on the same page much less the same sentence. Its like the breathless boxing fan matching up middleweights and lightheavies-the real boxing afficianado who threw his first punch at 6,was amateur throughout adolescence and tried out for the Olympics just looks at the dude sideways.
Can we please drop this and move forward? In the name of Allah,Krishna,Rama,Shiva,Black Jesus and dog style Mary??

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by kikuyu1(m): 11:46am On Sep 27, 2016
nemesis2u:
what the world is missing right now is a light single engine stealth fighter.

optimized for primary interceptor and escort role with secondary CAS role maybe.

files are pending in my country for building such an aircraft , it will ride on sub systems and technology from an existing aircraft to cut time and keep down costs. the defense ministry is likely to take a decision after consultation with the industry and relevant technical departments including the end user.

lets see grin

In our rush to cheer our fav FSBs,the mig 29S, Sus and a certain Swedish airframe we've overlooked our real needs.Imo,on this continent at least,what we really need is a certified mud mover,a twin turbo Pucara/OV 10 type CAS craft strictly to support the troops. You do know how critical the Pucaras were to the eventual Sri lankan victory in your parts. These are ideal platforms for the low AA/manpad environment warfare dominated by Shabaab/Boko haram/rebel type groups.
Both those turbo props are long since retired without replacement but their advantages are still very real. Cheap to acquire. Cheap to fly and maintain and use rough airstrips-what's not to like?
Your considered opinion would be much appreciated.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 12:41pm On Sep 27, 2016
Patchesagain:


I have already responded as to how the Gripen is better in comparison

It carrys a bigger payload, is faster, more maneuverable etc

With regards to radar, ours outranges you and allows simultaneous engagement of up to 4 targets

Let start with Radar.
Your Gripen uses PS-05/A multi-mode, pulse doppler radar and the JF-17 KLJ-7.

Remember the PS-5 Pulse Doppler, X band radar, uses mono pulse and the JF-17 radar can also be operated on pulse doppler mode.
KLJ
Range While Search (RWS)
Velocity Search (VS)
Single Target Track (STT)
Track While Scan (TWS)
Dual Target Track (DTT)
Situational Awareness Mode (SAM)
Air Combat Mode (ACM)(with five sub-modes)
Real Beam Map (RBM)
Doppler Beam Sharpening (DBS)
Ground Moving Target Indication/Ground Moving Target Track (GMTI/GMTT)
Air to Ground Ranging (AGR)
Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)
Sea Single Target Track (SSTT)
Beacon (BCN)


Gripen Radar.
[b]Target track modes
LRS (Long Range Search) is used to detect and identify targets at high ranges.
TWS (Track While Scan) allows to track targets and search for other targets.
MPTT (Multiple Priority Target Tracking).
PTT (Priority Target Tracking) allows accurate targeting and tracking Air-to-Air missiles.
STT (Single Target Track).
ACM (Air Combat Mode) is used for automatic target detection in dogfight.
LRS (Long Range Search) is used for ground or sea target search at long distances.
RA (Raid Assessment) ensures bombing.
SMTI (Stationary and Moving Target Indication) is used for ground stationary or moving targets.
GSPTT (Ground and Sea Priority Target Tracking).
GM (Ground Mapping) ensures mapping of terrain under the aircraft for navigation purposes (e.g. terrain copying at night or adverse weather condition).
HRM (High Resolution Mapping) ensures terrain mapping by synthetic aperture in order to gain high resolution pictures.
RANGING high accuracy ground target ranging.[/b]

Tell me how bad the JF-17 radar is ? Are you firing 8 missiles at once? The radar still remains combat okay.

I need your opinion.

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Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by tdayof(m): 5:00pm On Sep 27, 2016
Japan says it scrambled fighter jets on Sunday after eight Chinese military aircraft flew between Japanese islands.

The planes, thought to be bombers, surveillance planes and one fighter jet, flew along the Miyako Straits, between Okinawa and Miyakojima.
China said about 40 of its aircraft had been involved in what it said was a routine drill.
The planes did not cross into Japanese airspace, but the move is being seen as a show of force by China.
map with zones
It comes one week after Japan said it would take part in joint training exercises with the US navy in the South China Sea.
Japan's top government spokesman said Japan would be watching China's military movements closely.
Tokyo will "continue to devote every effort to vigilance and surveillance and rigorously enforce steps against intrusions into our airspace based on international law and the self-defence forces law", said Yoshihide Suga.
The Miyako Strait is a strategically important 250km (155 miles) wide stretch of water south of Okinawa and close to Taiwan.
It is also close to a group of islands in the East China Sea which are claimed by both Japan and China.
Japan, which controls the islands, calls them Senkaku, while China calls them the Diaoyu Islands.
Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by Nobody: 5:16pm On Sep 27, 2016
the beautiful SU-30MKI

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